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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 19 Jun 1984

Vol. 351 No. 8

Private Members' Business. - Building and Construction Industry: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann calls on the Government to take immediate action, as a matter of urgency, to revive the building and construction industry.

The construction industry has been starved of funds deliberately since this Coalition Government came into office and is now in deep recession of crisis proportions. No other sector of our economy has suffered to the same extent. Yet the attitude of the Government to the industry is one of total indifference and continuing neglect.

Twelve months ago this House debated a Fianna Fáil motion calling on the Government to recognise the serious jobs crisis in the construction industry and urged the introduction of urgent measures to stimulate the private and public sectors in order to avoid the collapse of the industry. Time has shown that our concern then was well founded. Unfortunately, our warnings went unheeded and during the last year the industry has suffered a further 13 per cent contraction in activity. If present Government policies are not changed radically this dangerous trend will continue. All the economic indicators continue to reflect the rapid decline in construction activity. The major fear now is the danger of a more accelerated rate of decline.

The construction industry has a workforce of approximately 125,000, of which some 45,000 are now unemployed. Men who have worked all their lives in the building trade are idle. Youth training in the skills of the various trades have no prospect of work and apprenticeships are practically impossible to get.

The importance of Government economic policies and their implications for the industry have never been more crucial to its survival. Yet we see the Government cutting back severely on public capital expenditure, introducing measures calculated to reduce the level of private investment in the industry. It is well known that both the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance are of the belief that it is wrong for the State to support construction in times of recession. Their steadfast adherence to this mistaken belief is the major obstacle to change in Government policy. It seems that the socialist Minister for the Environment, Deputy Kavanagh, is failing at the Cabinet table to win greater State investment for this industry in the same way that his predecessor, the present Tánaiste, also failed. The Labour Party is seen now to talk with two tongues. During the recent election campaign their chairman, Senator Michael D. Higgins, called for greater State investment to reduce unemployment in Europe, while at home his party in Government have been cutting the volume of State capital investment in construction by 25 per cent in the two years 1983 and 1984 to date. The contradictions inherent in the present Government have resulted in the neglect of major sectors of our economy due to indecision and failure to implement any planned strategy. It is clear that the Labour call for increased investment does not find favour with the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance. We end up falling between two stools with no policy for the future.

The role of an Opposition party must be to highlight inadequacies in Government performance and to demonstrate how their policies would succeed if in Government. In this case there is hardly any need to demonstrate that Government policies are having a detrimental effect on the construction industry as the crisis is now a matter of common knowledge. To see the extent of the crisis one need only examine the level of unemployment in the industry. As I have already said, the construction industry has a workforce of approximately 125,000, of whom some 45,000 are now unemployed. This trend of increasing numbers of unemployed persons in building and construction has been prevalent since 1979. In 1979 there were 19,900 unemployed in this industry. In 1980 that figure had increased by 8 per cent to 21,500. The following year it increased by 29 per cent to 27,800; in 1982 it increased by 21 per cent to 33,500; in 1983 by a further 21 per cent to 40,500; and the latest figures, for March 1984, show 45,302 people unemployed, constituting an increase of 9 per cent or 4,654 on the March 1983 figures. Figures published by the Government in May of this year show that approximately 13,000 people have lost their jobs in building and construction firms in the private sector since this Government came into office.

Sales of cement are another strong indicator of the level of activity in the industry and they have been showing a continuous drop since 1979. For example, in 1979 cement sales amounted to 2,067,000 metric tonnes; in 1980 the figure was 1,815,000 metric tonnes, constituting a drop of 12 per cent; in 1981 there was a standstill in cement sales. In 1982 there was a drop of 18 per cent in cement sales to 1,486,000 metric tonnes. In 1983 there was a drop of a further 7 per cent to 1,383,000 metric tonnes, and for 1984 the projection is a drop of 5 per cent to 1,300,000 metric tonnes. In the first four months of this year cement sales were down approximately 7 per cent on the corresponding figures for the first four months of 1983, the actual figure being 374,000 metric tonnes.

Present policy can be assessed by studying Government decisions regarding public capital programme allocations and expenditure. The Public Capital Programme fell by 16 per cent in 1983 and is expected to fall by 9 per cent this year, that is, on the basis of the Public Capital Programme published at the beginning of the year. However, it has become clear already that the funds allocated are not to be spent at the rate they were last year. Exchequer returns for the first quarter of 1984 showed that the Local Authority Loans Fund was down 24 per cent in money terms when compared with the same period last year. In addition voted capital services were down 9 per cent in money terms, equivalent to 15 per cent in volume.

If further evidence is needed of the serious decline in the construction industry one need only examine the figures for new house completions. In 1981 there were 28,917 houses built. In 1982 that figure had dropped to 26,798 and, in 1983, it had dropped to 26,138.

A disturbing feature of the new Housing Finance Agency loans is that the number of loans for new houses comprises 49 per cent only of the total. With over 50 per cent of the agency's funds going to second-hand housing the question must be posed as to whether it should be included at all in the public capital programme, because there can be no way that money for second-hand housing represents new investment.

Another disturbing feature is that despite the introduction of the Housing Finance Agency the number of new house loans being provided in 1983 by that agency, and under the Small Dwellings (Acquisitions) Act, at 5,603 was more than 500 units down on the figure for 1982. SDA loans approved for new houses during the same period fell from 4,920 to 3,592, a fall of 1,300 units. The figures for the first quarter of 1984 show that the trend is continuing with the number of loans down 16 per cent on the same period last year.

The high level of unemployment, and the continuing drop in output and investment, as illustrated in the figures quoted, are clear evidence that this important sector of the economy is in serious trouble and urgently in need of Government action to reverse the dangerous trend. The National Planning Board in their Proposals for Plan 1984-87 published in April this year, recognised the extent of this problem and the need for further action when they stated:

The present level of unemployment among building and construction workers represents a waste of manpower that should be utilised as far as possible within the financial constraints to provide productive infrastructure. While this cannot be done without net additional cost to the Exchequer it should be done in such a way that the extra cost is kept to a minimum.

It is interesting to note that the National Planning Board specifically recommended increased capital investment in the construction industry and deemed it appropriate to finance productive projects by foreign borrowing. I am very pleased they have made this recommendation. It fully supports the views expressed by Fianna Fáil in the debate on the construction industry in 1983 and completely refutes the attitude of the Tánaiste, Deputy Spring, who was adamant that any further investment of public money in the construction industry would be simply compounding the problems, postponing the ultimate solution and making them all the more difficult to solve. He said on that occasion that the Opposition may take it that he would not be party to such an approach.

Looking back at those remarks some 12 months later it is disturbing to see that not alone did we not get the increase in investment that we were encouraging then and which he so adamantly opposed but the Government did not even spend the amount allocated in the public capital programme and about 10,000 people have lost their jobs in this industry. Surely, that was an extraordinary statement for a so-called socialist. All our pleadings of last year for increased public capital investment and an introduction of tax and other incentives for private capital investment, were ignored. Yet we see the Government's own National Planning Board supporting the moves we urged last year. I should like to quote from the report of the National Planning Board:

(ix) The area in which projects are most likely to meet the criteria set out in Chapter II.4 on Public Investment Planning is the backlog of road, bridge and by-pass construction recommended in the National Road Development Plan (1982). Less than one per cent of GNP has been spent annually on road building over the last ten years, despite the increase in the level of traffic congestion. The amounts allocated to road works in 1982, 1983 and 1984 have not been large enough to prevent the backlog of investment documented in the 1982 National Road Development Plan from increasing. The Board are of the view that a much higher level of investment in roads than is at present being undertaken could be justified using the public sector investment appraisal techniques outlined in chapter II.4. To the extent that the commencement of essential road works is more constrained by delays in planning, public hearings and the issuing of compulsory purchase orders than by a shortage of funds, pressures could be eased by legislation streamlining the entire process by which major public works projects are undertaken.

(x) It would be appropriate to finance projects which met the criteria set out in Chapter II.4 in full — that is, which were productive — by foreign borrowing. To the extent that road development projects do not meet those criteria in full, their cost should be met by reducing the level of expenditure on other headings in the PCP which have (a) a higher import content, (b) a lower domestic labour content, and (c) commit the State to substantially higher additional current spending in the future than would road construction.

(xi) It is not easy to identify areas of capital spending other than road building that would meet the criteria in Chapter II.4. However, over the current year and into 1985 it is very likely that substantial items in the PCP would fail to meet this requirement by an even larger margin than would an increased allocation to certain labour intensive/low import content headings. In the absence of detailed input-output studies of the capital programme, it is not possible to identify such items precisely, but the Board recommend that as a first step an additional £20 million be made available in 1984 for headings such as the provision of serviced sites for housing development, the construction of sporting facilities, leisure centres and related community facilities (such as pre-schools and health centres). The money should be found by reducing the allocation to headings in the PCP, which have a high import content.

(xii) The goal of this accelerated infrastructural programme should be to reemploy an additional 1,000 persons in the first twelve months. In the following twelve months, the programme should be on a scale that would create additional employment for 4,000 persons.

I thought it important to put that quotation on the record so that we can refer to a Government agency that has authoritatively refuted the type of ridiculous answers we have been getting consistently from Government Ministers, that they will not agree to any further investment in this industry. The Government's own National Planning Board are now recommending that. I accept that it is a very timid recommendation but it is a positive one. Is it too much to hope that the Government might now take the action we recommend and which so obviously has the support of their own planning board?

Fianna Fáil in agreeing with the board's recommendation for an increase in the 1984 PCP expenditure feel that the industry needs an immediate injection of £200 million, not just £20 million. That would create 10,000 jobs. Approximately £120 million of the investment would return to the State through a reduction in social welfare costs and an increase in tax revenue. Expenditure at this level would quality for EC grant aid of between 20 per cent and 40 per cent of the project cost. Fianna Fáil are firmly committed to the investment of an extra £200 million in construction programmes immediately on return to office.

This debate is taking place at our insistence to highlight the present problem and in the expectation that the merited response will be forthcoming from the Government. We await with keen interest the reply of the Minister and hope for something more responsible and substantial than the Tánaiste's response to last year's debate which consisted of a speech prepared some hours before the debate started and did not make any reference to the positive suggestions made by Fianna Fáil. That speech completely ignored the serious problems that were being discussed and was mostly an irrelevant political tirade ignoring the Government's own responsibilities to adopt policies to deal successfully with the industry's problems and forgetting the Government parties' commitment to the electorate on which their mandate was based.

I am not encouraged to see that so far tonight we have not had present in the House the person who carries responsibility for the industry, the Minister for the Environment, Deputy Kavanagh. It is a feature of the Government that Ministers absent themselves from debates of major importance to their briefs. It is another indication of disinterest and the lackadaisical approach of Ministers to serious problems for which they carry responsibility. It is not the responsibility of the Minister of State, Deputy Fergus O'Brien. He does not sit at the Cabinet table with other members of the Government. He is not involved in making any of the decisions that have affected the industry and contributed so greatly to the increase in the number unemployed in the industry.

It has become popular for members of the Government to dismiss their failures with the excuse that there is a serious recession, that the Government do not have any money, cannot do anything and the Opposition will always be complaining and cannot offer any solutions to the problems. That is the standard response trotted out to any serious discussion we have sought to create here or outside on the problem of the construction industry and the dire crisis it is in. This negative attitude on the part of the Government is frightening. It is a policy of despair and it is having a demoralising effect on our people. It is making the young, and the not so young, very cynical of politics and politicians and represents a potential threat to our democratic system. The widespread apathy so evident in the recent elections to the European Parliament is largely the result of the Government's attitude, their lack of policies, concern and general complacency. To be crowing over who won what seats in an election where less than 50 per cent of the citizens bothered to vote is a vain exercise and ignores the real message from the people.

If the Government and the institutions of State continue to ignore the problems confronting our people there is the danger that impetuous youth and others may seek more extreme solutions on the fringes of democracy as we have known it. It is no policy for the Government to say that the Opposition have no solutions, no positive suggestions on how to deal with the difficulties in the economy, in this case concerning the construction industry. I want to anticipate that kind of response because I am becoming accustomed to the gist of what the scriptwriters have been putting before the Minister and which the Minister has been regurgitating here in Dáil debates. For that reason I want to repeat briefly some of the positive suggestions that I have made in previous debates here.

I asked the Minister previously to promote actively joint venture housing but he took no new initiative in that area. Were he to empower local authorities to provide land at a nominal cost per site I have no doubt that many of the 33,000 families on local authority waiting lists would participate in joint venture schemes to provide housing for themselves. We got a big silence to that proposal. I also asked the Minister to initiate equity sharing schemes which I believe would result in an additional 5,000 new houses per annum being built, 7,000 man-years of employment, £70 million extra cash into the Exchequer and 1 per cent GNP growth. I elaborated on the mechanics of this scheme at the Fianna Fáil Árd Fheis in February. My proposal for the introduction of a co-ownership scheme was well received in the industry and commented on favourably in the media, but did not evoke any response from the Minister, Deputy Kavanagh, who has failed to take any major initiative himself since his appointment.

I also asked the Minister on another occasion to initiate a scheme whereby deposit interest on special savings such as building society savings accounts be relieved of Government tax as the money is eventually invested in construction and helps to boost the economy and provide employment. I have received no response yet to that suggestion. I have asked the Minister to introduce new incentives to encourage investment in construction projects particularly in the residential building sector where the demand far exceeds the supply. I pointed to the success of the Fianna Fáil 1981 Act section 23 incentive which provided possibly up to 10,000 jobs in the construction industry. The response to that suggestion was to so modify the section 23 incentive as to restrict the incentive radically for private investors and practically render it useless. This action above all others has given a clear indication of the Government's attitude to private investment in construction. They are opposed to incentives of this kind. Indeed, the Minister for Finance, Deputy Alan Dukes, is known to have told a group of businessmen that he considers the 1981 section 23 incentive to be immoral. Because of this conscientious moral judgment up to 10,000 unemployed construction workers had to tell their wives and young children that they would have less food on their tables and less money to buy clothes and shoes and that any little plans for holidays or leisure pursuits would all have to be abandoned.

On another occasion I asked the Minister to relieve the industry of the heavy taxation burden which was a serious dis-incentive to private investment in construction, especially as it was evident that private investment had already dropped by 50 per cent in the period 1979-82. The response to that suggestion has been to impose new and increased levels of taxation, thus increasing costs and causing further unemployment. Among the Government measures introduced in 1983 and 1984 affecting the construction industry are the following: the list is fairly long and it is not a full list.

They increased the VAT rate, planning charges, and development levies. They introduced a new residential property tax. They increased the PRSI costs for employers in the construction industry and other industries. There was the withdrawal of the construction industry from the Employment Incentive Scheme, the abolition of the residence-related tax incentive scheme, the decision by the Government to reduce the mortgage interest relief and the exclusion of the industry from the new risk venture capital incentive scheme. That list alone is sufficient evidence of this Government's anti-development attitude. It is sufficient proof, if proof is required, of this Government's desire to reduce the level of private investment in the construction industry. Yet the standard reply from the Minister when challenged on the continuing decline in output, employment and investment in this industry is: "Ah, the private sector should be putting more into it. You cannot expect the State to keep bolstering up the construction industry to compensate for a withdrawal of private investment". What the devil do you expect only withdrawal of private investment when the Government themselves are introducing substantial new measures which are acting as a disincentive to investment, which are forcing people not to invest in this industry, instead of having a positive approach and introducing new incentive rates which would bring more money into the industry?

It has been very difficult for anybody who is in any way concerned about the high level of unemployment and lack of activity in construction to understand the Government's mentality in this matter. If it was Government policy to replace private investment completely with State investment, which would be pure socialist theory, then one could understand the logic in bringing in these penalties against investment by private individuals in construction; but it seems that that is not stated Government policy or intention. It is very hard to establish whether there is any policy or strategy or whether the Government even know where they are going or understand the effects of the measures they are introducing. If the Minister of State, Deputy O'Brien, sticks to his prepared script probably he will say that £3 out of every £4 in the construction industry is coming from the State, that this is not good enough, that there must be more private investment in the industry. We agree that there must be more private investment, but the Minister must understand that people will not invest and risk their money if there is no return. It is all right for the Minister to stay there and not be affected by the outcome of these measures personally; but he must accept that they are having a detrimental effect on an industry which has given employment to up to 125,000 people and are driving money away from the industry.

Therefore, again we wish to avail of this debate to appeal to the Government to reverse their policies, to abolish many of the new disincentives they have introduced and to come forward with positive proposals along some of the lines we have suggested, or to come up with their own suggestions; but we get no new ideas from the Government. They are absolutely bereft of ideas and, it seems, of interest and it is incumbent on us as an Opposition party to haul them in here and make them listen to the problems they are creating and make them appreciate the extent of these problems and the poverty they are creating in so many homes throughout this land. The Government sit idly by. All of last year and, it seems, all of this year they have given no indication of their intention to do anything to reverse the disastrous trend. I do not know how long the Government are going to sit and do nothing. Are they going to wait until some of the biggest firms in the country collapse and come down around their ears? Nearly every month numbers in this industry are becoming unemployed equivalent to the number who became unemployed in the Ford factory in Cork. Up to 800 a month are losing their jobs. There is no outcry from the Minister, no expression of regret or concern at the extent of the damage that his Government's policies are having. He is washing his hands of them in Pontius Pilate fashion and claiming there is nothing he can do.

There are things he can do. We in Opposition have suggested some of them. Some are already known to be very successful in other countries and could result in massive investment and the creation of thousands of new jobs here without the State having to make any major contribution, but we have received no positive response. In the absence of the Minister tonight it seems that we will not get any great response to this debate, but we will wait until the debate concludes tomorrow night before we say anything about that.

On coming into office one of the first steps taken by the Government was to reduce the public capital programme by £220 million to £1,890 million and to renege on the commitment to invest an additional £100 million in the construction industry. These two decisions resulted in a loss of £320 million to the industry at that time — all during 1983 — but the position was further aggravated when the Government reduced public capital expenditure during 1983 by a further £150 million. It is well to remember that the original Fianna Fáil budget allocation for the 1983 Public Capital Programme was £2,110 million. The Coalition reduced the budget allocation to £1,890 million but the actual expenditure outturn of the public capital programme was only £1,740 million in 1983. In all, therefore, the Government left the industry short £470 million on expected capital investment during 1983. The industry has been struck a mortal blow by the Government and has little hope of reviving unless the Government take some positive steps at an early date.

In these circumstances the House looks forward with great interest to hearing what the Government intend doing to save this important industry and to give some hope to the 13,000 men who have been thrown out of work by this callous Government and their ineffective and inept Ministers for Labour.

What has happened in relation to the Government policy to built 30,000 houses per annum? After two years in office they will be 8,000 houses below their target. It has been reliably estimated that in the second half of the eighties, between 6,000 and 7,800 more new houses per annum will be required than was the case in 1983. With 30,000 families approved and waiting for local authority houses, it is clear that most families will have to wait five years to be housed. Unless the number of local authority houses being built annually increases greatly from the present level of 6,000 the number of years families will have to wait for housing will be increased greatly as will also the social problems associated with that situation.

Radical new policies are required to tackle this great social problem. In addition to the suggestions I have made already, there is a need for a further package for private housing to bridge the deposit gap between the sale price and the loans currently available particularly for first-time buyers. Suggestions on those lines have been made at housing seminars which were attended by the Minister and his officials. The time has come for the Minister to take steps to deal with the developing situation.

The amendment being put forward by the Government is pathetic and displays yet again their callous disregard for the needs of this vital sector of the economy. It is just not correct to say that the decline in activity and employment in the building industry arises from factors outside the Government's control. That statement is so inaccurate as to imply on the Government's part a misunderstanding of their role and an abdication of their responsibilities in this area.

I have shown how the public capital programme expenditure has fallen short of the Government's own published targets in 1983. Similar trends are evident in 1984. The early indications are that capital spending will again this year fall short of official targets. These figures give the lie to the theory being propounded by the Minister that private investment, rather than public investment, is at fault. When the committed public investment is not being fulfilled, when the Government are not fulfilling their published intentions regarding the level of public capital expenditure, how can they blame the private sector for the situation? Many hundreds of millions of pounds have been withdrawn from the industry deliberately by reason of Government decision.

The Government amendment refers also to the reduction in private sector investment. It has been accepted by all sides that there has been a reduction in private sector investment but, as I have shown, some imaginative Government initiatives along the lines I have suggested would result in a massive increase in private sector investment, particularly in housing, but so far the Government have failed in this area and are seen to be opposed to incentives to encourage private investment.

The amendment refers further to policies pursued by Fianna Fáil while in Government as being the cause of our present problems. Is it not time the Government realised they have been in office for nearly two years, that they have been responsible for the budgets of 1983 and 1984 and that the acceleration in the decline in construction has been due largely to financial decisions made in both of those budgets?

The Government amendment seeks endorsement of their present disastrous policies and refers to their being designed to maintain public support for the industry at the highest practicable level. As we have said all along and as is now confirmed by the National Planning Board, this is manifestly untrue. The board are recommending that even in this year there should be a further increase in public capital investment. The Government amendment is a sham and must be rejected by the House. By their inaction in this area and by their lack of concern, the Government are seen to be adopting a very callous attitude to the problems they are creating and compounding for those thousands of families whose main bread winners were employed all their lives in the construction industry. The Government are responsible, too, for the problems facing parents of young people who have been training in the various trades, whether as electricians, plumbers, carpenters, or bricklayers. All of these young people had looked forward to a bright future and to steady employment in an important sector of the economy, but there are no openings for them now. The industry in which they had hoped to spend the rest of their lives is in a serious state of decline. Despair is permeating the whole industry.

The number of public tenders being invited has fallen dramatically while no action is being taken on many of those tenders that have been received. The level of activity and of State investment in the construction industry in the first four months of this year has fallen so dramatically that the crisis we recognised last year is seen now to be continuing and to be entering a very dangerous phase.

We in Fianna Fáil appeal to the Government, to the Minister present and to the Minister who is absent to rethink seriously the policies they have been adopting and to show that they have some initiative and some spunk. First, they must show that they understand the full extent of the problem and then that they are prepared to do something about it. It is not good enough for a man sitting in the Custom House, having responsibility for an industry of this size, not to take any action but to be negligent in his duty. The public revulsion of the inactivity of Labour Ministers in the Government has been witnessed in the recent elections. Surely the Labour Party, who claim to have concern for the homeless, must recognise that in Government they have not delivered on any of the policies they claim to be their party's policies. They have not been seen to be active in seeking to have those policies implemented. So far, the Labour Ministers in Government have been a miserable failure. The Minister for Finance has proved to be a major obstacle to investment in the construction industry and he is supported fully by the Taoiseach. If the Labour Ministers cannot surmount the obstacles presented by those two individuals, they should take the decent course — leave the Government, let the Coalition fall and allow a party to come into office who are committed to dealing with social problems, a party who are prepared to make the commitment and the investment and to create a climate which will bring growth back into our economy. I ask the House to reject the Government amendment and to support our motion. I hope this debate will bring home to the Government the seriousness of the problem and that it will evoke from them a positive response that will bring benefit to those who are facing a very bleak future.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all the words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute:

"while concerned about the decline in activity and employment in the building industry, recognises that this decline arises from factors outside the Government's control, including the reduction in private sector investment and the reckless economic and financial policies pursued by Fianna Fáil when in Government, and endorses the policies being pursued by the Minister and the Government which are designed, firstly to maintain public capital support for the industry at the highest practical level and, secondly to create the economic and financial conditions in which the industry can develop and grow on a sound basis."

I am very pleased that Fianna Fáil put the motion down on the building industry and I welcome the opportunity to speak to the motion. It gives me a chance to set the record straight particularly with regard to the cavalier fashion in which the industry was treated by Fianna Fáil when they took office in 1977 and with regard to the present and future state of the industry — one would think from reading the motion that it was on its dying legs. I hope we will dispel that myth tonight and tomorrow and show that the Government are acting responsibly towards the industry unlike the Opposition when they were in power.

We all know that the building and construction industry has suffered decline in output and employment in recent years. My concern and that of the Government is to see the decline reversed and ordinary growth and development resumed as soon as possible. It is only right, given the importance of the building and construction industry to the economy, that the House should have this opportunity to debate the present situation in the industry. We all agree that a growth in the industry is necessary if the objectives of economic development and a reduction in unemployment are to be achieved. If this debate is to serve any useful purpose or contribute in any way to the achievement of the desired objectives, then it must be conducted in a responsible and constructive manner. In particular there is need for a clear understanding of the cause of the problems at present affecting the industry and a proper assessment of the role of Government in tackling these problems. We must be realistic about the present state of the industry and prospects for recovery in the immediate future. Anything less would involve a betrayal of our responsibilities to the electorate in general and to the industry in particular.

An examination of the profile of output and employment changes in the building and construction industry over the last two decades show clearly that the industry has been subjected to severe fluctuations over the years. Output fluctuations on this scale prevent proper planning and lead to expensive inefficiencies and severe dislocation in both the industry and the economy. Since the industry is sheltered to a large extent from the direct effects of fluctuations in the world economy and since about two-thirds of construction output is financed directly or indirectly by the public sector, the problem is largely domestic in origin. The Government have a responsibility to the industry to ensure it develops in an orderly way and that output and employment fluctuations are minimised and not reinforced.

It is against this background that the irresponsible behaviour of the Fianna Fáil administration between 1977 and 1981 must be judged. The economy in general and the building industry in particular are still paying the price of the disastrous, debt-financed inflationary boom unleashed by that administration which destabilised the whole industry and represented a complete negation of the kind of systematic planning that is needed. It resulted in spiralling costs which largely negatived the increased investment and gave us an increase in imports which is still with us.

In the three years between 1977 and 1979 the public capital investment more than doubled at a time when it was manifestly clear that the industry had already entered a strong growth phase. Output rose by 1.7 per cent in 1976 and by 8.7 per cent in 1977. Average employment which fell by 5,000 in 1976 rose by 3,000 in 1977. This was the beginning of orderly growth and the Coalition Government of 1973 to 1977 was achieving it. All that the irresponsible intervention of the Fianna Fáil Government achieved was a sharp increase in imports of building materials to meet the artificially raised demand, large increases in building costs and prices and inflationary pressures which worked their way through the economy and imposed unwarranted cost increases on our manufacturing and services sectors.

The legacy of high prices, high imports, high debt and false expectations still bedevils the building industry. One would hope that the futility of trying to inflate output out of proportion to and beyond the capacity of the building industry has been learnt by the Opposition and that they would never again attempt to manipulate the industry for shallow party political advantage — but I am bound to say that nothing that has happened or been said by the Opposition since that period would give one any encouragement to believe that the lessons have been learnt. Playing politics with the country's second largest industry is still the name of the game so far as Fianna Fáil are concerned.

That is a disgraceful comment.

It is true.

It is a facile comment.

To appreciate the role of the Government in dealing with the present recession in the industry it is important to understand the nature and source of the decline in output over recent years. The immediate cause of the difficulties in the industry is the dramatic decline in private investment which is estimated to be down by over 50 per cent between 1979 and 1984. The worst affected parts of the industry are industrial buildings, commercial developments and investment in agricultural buildings. It seems clear at this stage that recovery in these areas must await an improvement in the economy generally and in agricultural incomes, since the simple reality is that we now have an oversupply of new office space and of factory space. This is a temporary situation but its effect on the demand situation in the building industry cannot simply be wished away. Building activity on new hospitals and schools has been maintained at the 1979 level as also has investment in roads and sanitary services. As regards telecommunications and harbour developments, output in 1984 will be well above the level in 1979.

Overall, there is likely to be a further small decline in building output in the current year. While this is disappointing, there is clear evidence that the worst of the recession affecting the industry has passed and that the stage is set for a resumption of orderly growth. Average employment in the industry may aslo drop in 1984 but in this case too the situation seems to be bottoming out.

At this stage I should correct a false impression that has been created by the quotation of unemployment figures for the industry. According to the Central Statistics Office there were 45,300 building and construction workers on the live register in March of this year. This figure must be considered in the context that in March 1979 when the industry was overstretched and when shortages of skilled workers were being felt throughout the industry there were almost 20,000 workers registered as unemployed in the building industry. The fact of the matter seems to be that the building industry figures in our unemployment statistics are residual in nature in that general workers of many kinds who do not readily fit into any of the other specified categories of workers are assigned to the building industry, the registered figures for which are thus inflated considerably at all times. We all know that there were nothing like 20,000 workers unemployed in the building industry in 1979. I have little doubt that the current figures are similarly inflated. In doing this I am not by any means complacent as to the seriousness of the present situation but it is important that we should at least deal in facts.

This is another black hole solution.

I would like to make some specific comments about the current trends in the housing sector which comprises about 40 per cent of the output of the industry. I am glad to say that this sector has been the mainstay of the industry during the recession and has reinforced its position as the most important component of the industry. Some 10,679 new houses were completed in the first five months of this year compared to a total of 10,750 in the same period in 1983. While this year's completions to May are slightly down on the same period last year, I am confident that total completions for 1984 will equal or perhaps exceed last year's figure of 26,138. When one realises the effects that unemployment and difficult economic conditions generally can have on housing demand, one must feel that the maintenance of output levels is a very satisfactory achievement in the present circumstances.

The numbers of mortgage loans approved and paid by the main lending agencies remains at a high level and I am satisfied that the supply of mortgage finance, which is crucial to the level of activity in the housing sector of the building industry, will be satisfactory throughout 1984. Building societies continue to play a dominant role in providing funds for house purchase. Last year the societies provided a record number of just under 18,000 loans valued at £406 million and I expect that their contribution in the current year will be of the same general order.

The SDA and Housing Finance Agency loans schemes serve a vital function in bringing house purchase within the reach of people on lower incomes who would not normally be catered for by the other lending institutions. This year the Government allocated more than £140 million for these two schemes and this allocation is £16 million, or almost 13 per cent more than the amount provided in the 1983 public capital programme. I expect that the allocation of £140 million for SDA and Housing Finance Agency loans will finance the purchase of about 9,000 houses this year.

The Government have provided £211 million in capital towards the local authority housing programme for 1984. Based on this level of allocation, we expect this year's programme to be maintained at least at the 1983 levels when 6,190 houses were completed and a further 8,354 were in the course of construction at the end of that year. This had been the first time since 1979 that the level of 6,000 completions had been exceeded. In fact, the capital claims received from local authorities to finance their housing programmes in the current year indicate that house completions for 1984 will reach 6,400 with over a further 8,000 houses in progress at the end of the year. This would be the highest level of completions achieved since the mid-seventies when the last Coalition Government were in power.

Employment on the programme has also continued to improve over the pre-1983 levels. Last year, average monthly employment reached 6,400 which was an increase of about 500 on the corresponding figure for 1982. In the first four months of this year, I am pleased to state that employment continued to rise to over 6,700 per month, which indicates that the considerable Government investment in the programme is paying dividends.

There is a crucial need to ensure that the best return is obtained on all public capital investment and, in the present difficult economic circumstances, this objective assumes greater importance. In view of the high level of public capital involved in financing the local authority housing programme — £211 million capital and over £150 million in subsidy in the current year — my Department introduced new procedures last year to control the costs of local authority housing and to achieve the best possible return on the State capital invested in the programme. These controls, together with the competitive tendering currently being obtained on local authority housing contracts, will ensure that the maximum return is obtained on the £211 million capital devoted to the programme, and that the targets for the programme in the current year and for future years are achieved. I would like to emphasise that the new controls do not envisage a return to the low-cost mentality which so affected the programme in past years but represent instead a systematic effort to combine value for money with good quality houses.

The continued high level of output in the private housing sector is reflected in the number of people availing of new house grants and mortgage subsidies so far this year. The number of applications for the £1,000 new house grant should, if the trend set so far continues, be of the order of 11,000 approximately this year. Also, combined payments of new house grants and mortgage subsidies in the first five months exceed payments in the corresponding period last year by over 40 per cent.

At present, it is expected that between 12,000 and 12,500 applications for home improvement grants will be received this year. They will represent a significant increase on the 1983 level. Combined payments under that scheme and the disabled persons and essential repair grants schemes in the first five months of the year also show an increase over the same period last year.

The programme of special housing aid for the elderly has continued to be very attractive and has through the year provided a very valuable service in improving the living conditions of old people who live alone in unfit and insanitary accommodation. Since this scheme started in 1982, the living conditions of over 3,000 people have been improved and work is in progress in a number of other cases.

In so far as the housing programme generally is concerned, it is impossible to ignore the implications for public expenditure of any special measures to boost output. On the owner-occupier side, it is the volume of private sector demand that largely determines the trend of output. If the number of people who decide to buy new houses falls, there is little the Government can do to influence the situation short of providing further incentives by way of additional grants or subsidies that in present economic conditions are simply not on.

The Government are bankrupt of ideas if that is the only suggestion they can make.

We are not bankrupt of ideas. There are incentives — new housing grants, mortgage subsidies and relief on tax and interest.

They have been there for years.

The Deputy should not interrupt the Minister.

Do not say that there are no incentives——

The Government are bankrupt of ideas.

We have plenty of ideas.

The Minister has ten minutes to tell us what they are.

I am annoying the Deputy.

Deal with the problem.

That is what I am doing, if the Deputy lets me. It should not be forgotten in this regard that we have probably a more extensive range of financial aids for private housing than any country in Europe. The Deputy said there were no incentives, but this is a measure of the incentives that exist. These measures have the effect of channelling demand away from local authority housing but they are expensive and must be paid for by the general body of taxpayers. If we were to borrow here, there and everywhere that would do it.

The scope for extension of the local authority programme is severely restricted by the repercussions it has on both capital and current spending. This year we will spend over £350 million in building and subsidising these houses. Obviously we must maintain the programme at a reasonable level and, if possible, secure better value for money, as we are doing, but it is not an option to talk in present conditions about significant real growth in the expenditure on the programme. That is the harsh reality at present and the Opposition know it.

I mentioned the fall in private sector investment in the building industry. I am confident that an increase in this kind of investment will come about with a general upturn in the economy and a return to confidence in the country. I think that is happening now; the signs are there and have been for some time. Cement sales, which are a good indication of activity, have been very encouraging in the last 12 months, despite what Deputy Molloy said.

They are down.

The Deputy quoted a selective period. Over the five month period they are rising.

The Minister should not give misleading information to the House.

This is a confined and limited debate and Deputies should not interrupt.

Nineteen eighty-three may well have been a watershed year for the economy in that we had a significant increase in industrial output, imports of producers' capital goods began to rise, inflation fell appreciably, there was a slowing down in the growth of unemployment, a reduction in the budget deficit as a proportion of gross national product and an improvement in the balance of payments. These are signs of recovery, and not misleading information. These facts are there to be checked.

Was this before or after the black hole was discovered?

I will not comment on that because the Deputy might fall into it. On the international front, inflation is also falling and business is improving, particularly in the United Kingdom and the United States of America, economies which are growing strongly. All of this should have favourable implications as more spending power becomes available and effective demand increases. The Government's policies since taking office have been geared towards creating the right environment for increased activity and putting us in the position where we will be able to take the best advantage of any upturn in opportunities for expansion that may arise. There is now a general acceptance that this means getting our public finances right and keeping inflation under control — not borrowing as the Deputy suggested. We are doing this and we will continue to do so. Easy solutions in the form of injections of taxpayers' money are now seen for what they are, and it is substantially those looking for short-term political advantage who are counselling otherwise.

The public capital provision for the building industry for 1984 is being maintained at as high a level as practicable, given the unavoidable constraints to which I have referred. The provision for 1984 is about the same in money terms as for 1983, that is over £1.1 billion.

The Government did not spend that money last year.

They have not been spending it for the last four months.

It is no good Fianna Fáil calling for further expenditure unless they tell us where the money is to be found.

I have made suggestions.

The Minister, without interruption.

Open the sluice gates.

The Minister, without interruption.

We have made suggestions. However, it is the Minister who is responsible.

I am glad——

The Minister should respond to suggestions.

When the Minister has concluded, other speakers from that side of the House may reply.

The Minister should not be saying that we made none.

The Minister should look at his own script. It must have been written before he got up at all.

I am glad the Deputy recognises that the national plan will have an input into the economy and that he is saying that here tonight.

Constructive recommendations should come from the Government.

The Minister, without interruption.

We are going to examine all the proposals in the national plan and we shall implement what we believe will be good for the economy. There is no doubt about that. This is not an ad hoc plan. It is a positive plan in a direction which will get this country out of the problems into which it was brought by the Members on the far side of the House.

That is not a plan, it is only a proposal.

It is time that the members of the Opposition caught themselves on. There are proposals which will be brought into a plan.

We have not seen it yet and never will.

The Deputy will see it. There will be plenty of time to debate it. I hope that the Opposition will have input into it.

The Minister should be allowed to reply.

Where is the Minister?

The Minister is away on official business on behalf of the Government. He will be back to make his contribution tomorrow.

I hope that he responds.

He will be here, the Deputy need not worry. He will not be disappointed. The building industry have their problems which will not be solved by short-term expedients, as Deputy Molloy would like to see happen.

The Minister has six minutes.

It is natural that they should call for extra investment. Investment is financing about 70 per cent of all the work being done. Deputy Molloy knows that, and that is not a bad record.

The industry should write the Minister's script for him.

Who wrote the Deputy's — the CIF? One does not blame the industry for calling for more money, why should they not? That is only to be expected from any section which feels the serious effects of a general recession. However, they have their fair share of the cake, and, indeed, privately they would say so. We are stimulating and will stimulate further the entire building industry. They are moving in the required direction in an orderly way. I hope that Deputy Molloy will have the good grace to acknowledge that, but he will not, we know that. If we were to do handstands that still would not be what the Deputy wants. One cannot call for more Government spending, more demands on the taxpayers, more short-term so-called solutions. The time is long past when we could tolerate such an approach. The country cannot afford it.

We would have been up to our necks in "hock", owned by some international bankers, if the people on the far side had been left loose for much longer. It is a good job that they were not. Despite the very hard things which the Deputy has to say about the economy and the recession, the results of the European elections were not too bad. He says that there is a cynicism about politics and about institutions of the State. It is a wonder that the electorate did not flock to his side of the House. We know where the cynicism is and what the problems are and I shall not go into them here because we are dealing with the construction industry. We know exactly the problems of that industry. All governments, with the exception of one other, got the knock but the Government of this country did not. That is a clear indication.

The Minister takes it that Fine Gael are the Government. Are Labour not in power, too? It is the Labour Minister's Government also.

The Deputy should look at the overall vote.

What he is saying is that Fine Gael are the Government. That is the arrogance of his party. How long will Labour put up with this?

It is not arrogance at all. The Deputy should look at the percentages in the votes, but, of course, that is beyond him.

What about the participation of the Labour Party?

The Minister should address the Chair.

I am sorry. The Deputy over there is becoming rather concerned.

I would like a little more concern on the Minister's part.

Mr. Molloy was saying that we were not doing anything. Joint venture is going ahead. Local authorities are operating it. I am looking at it carefully to see if we cannot move along more quickly. With regard to joint equity buying that Mr. Molloy was trying to claim——

Deputy Molloy, please.

Deputy Molloy stole our proposal. That was a Fine Gael proposal in the beginning of the eighties, but I am glad that the Deputy is now coming around to our way of thinking. Because of the Housing Finance Agency people can acquire houses at a very low interest rate, 18 per cent, which has made a tremendous difference. We would not have the same effect from joint venture if we had not the Housing Finance Agency. The Opposition opposed it tooth and nail and this is the first time that they have been forced to speak in favour of it. They were extremely worried about where we would get the money for it. I am delighted that they now see that the Housing Finance Agency has a major role to play in providing homes for those who would not in a normal way be able to afford them. I believe that Deputy Lyons knows that fact. However, that does not mean that we should not examine the Housing Finance Agency and I am looking at it.

We shall be discussing that at midnight.

We shall have the Housing Finance Agency at midnight, but joint equity is operating in the North and I hope in the next couple of days to have an opportunity of discussing it with the Minister there, Mr. Chris Patton, to see its real advantages and how it operates on the ground. Deputy Molloy need not worry. We are moving on many fronts and have many ideas. By the time we finish our term of office this industry will be going in an orderly direction, not up and down like a Punch and Judy show, depending on desired results of by-elections or general elections. What this industry needs is stability and we will give that to them in our term of office.

The only time the graph goes down is when we have a Coalition Government.

I must compliment the Minister on his little slip of the tongue. We have today the final result of the Euro election and the Minister, as a Fine Gael Deputy in Government, has put on record that the Fine Gael Party have now taken over the mantle of Government.

No, I said the Government.

This is interesting. I should point out to the Minister——

It is on the record.

The Deputy, without interruption.

——a little matter of interest.

I would not like the Deputy to mislead the House.

The Deputy should be allowed to make his speech.

Take the case of the cuckoo.

The Deputy must be a good judge of cuckoos.

The female cuckoo is too lazy to build her own nest. When she becomes pregnant, she searches until she finds a nice little nest which has been built already and she lays her egg. When the young cuckoo becomes old enough she finds the nest is not big enough and she proceeds to jostle the young weakling out of it. It reminds me of the Government. The Minister of State tried to claim that the Government did well in the European election and that the Fianna Fáil Party were decimated. The fact is that the Fianna Fáil Party won an extra three seats. The Labour Party have been decimated thanks to the Fine Gael Party. That is not what we came here to discuss tonight. I would like to remind the Minister of the case of the cuckoo.

I am sure that, like a lot of other Deputies over the past two weeks, the Minister of State has been out canvassing for his candidate. I canvassed in the Laois Offaly by-election where we increased our vote by 8 per cent. The two problems which were foremost in the minds of the electorate were unemployment and taxation. The Taoiseach is quoted as having said during the course of the election campaign that the electorate were selfish in complaining about high taxation. I commend the electorate for having told the Taoiseach about the problems of high taxation.

The Government, if they wish, have a great opportunity to reduce the level of unemployment by looking to the construction industry to promote employment. It is a fact that for every job created in the construction industry another job is created in downstream industries. Ministers over the last week have outlined the fact that unemployment is the biggest problem. The potential exists for employment in the most labour intensive industry of all, the construction industry. Unemployment is currently running at 45,000 in that industry. The Minister questioned the statistics. Is he questioning the role of the Central Statistics Office in this? We cannot get away from the fact that in 1979 there were 125,000 people working in the construction industry. Now there are 90,000 people working in that industry which is just twice the number of people unemployed in that industry.

The latest CIF survey shows that 20 per cent of companies in the house building business have currently no work at all. It is interesting to quote from the Annual Report 1983-84 of the Construction Industry Federation which stated:

Since the present Government took office, unemployment in the industry has been growing by 10,000 per annum. The Government's attitude to private investment in construction is summed up in their attitude to Section 23 incentives which were particularly successful in promoting the construction of private rented accommodation. These measures, while extended for a further three years to 1987, after extreme pressure from the industry, have been so modified as to radically restrict the incentives for private investors. The belief of the present Government seems to be that they have no role to play in stimulating private investment in construction and that the industry must wait patiently for renewed growth in the Irish economy for a revival of private investment in the industry. The Government seems to feel that they can stand back from the industry in the belief that they are powerless to do anything about it. The Government can, of course, stimulate private investment by introducing incentives. The CIF have made detailed proposals on how investment could be increased at little or no cost to the Exchequer.

I have listened to the Minister for the last 20 minutes and I have not heard one idea from him as to how they will solve the problem of unemployment in the construction industry.

The construction industry, as the Minister well knows, is on its knees and it is about time the Government faced up to this fact. It is pitiful to see young people studying and sitting for their leaving certificate exams. During the last few weeks I spoke to some of the parents of those young people and I said it must be a worrying time for those children. The majority of the parents said it was not the exams that were worrying them but when they finished their exams and, irrespective of the results that they had little or no hope of employment. We have a ridiculous situation at the moment where AnCO have courses for bricklayers, carpenters, electricians and plumbers and when those people are suitably qualified they have not the remotest chance of getting a job in the construction industry. The downstream industries are also affected. Electrical installation companies have never had it so bad. One has only to watch the public notices in the newspapers to see the number of electrical contractors who have gone into liquidation over the last nine months. It is pitiful to see people and companies who have spent years in building up, working hard and investing heavily in their companies going to the wall because of the inexcusable policies of the Government.

The Minister of State said that cement sales were a good barometer for the construction industry. I agree with him, but I must contradict him on his statement that cement sales for 1984 have actually increased. I suggest that he should contact the relevant authorities and check it out again. Cement sales were up for the month of May but comparison was made with the month of April. We must compare like with like. In January cement sales were down by 28 per cent. When we compare the first five months of this year we find that cement sales are down, tonnage wise, by 2 per cent. New house starts are down. All the indicators are in the one direction, which is the wrong one. Fewer houses are now being financed by public sector loans than ever before. An example of that is 1983 when housing loans were down by 500. We must also question the provision of funds for the Housing Finance Agency for 1984. The process can and should be reversed and I challenge the Government to reverse it.

In the past year construction employment has increased in the highly developed countries such as the US and Denmark. If, as some Government Ministers have pointed out, we have bottomed out of the recession, none of the indicators show that the construction industry will benefit. How many sand pits, how many woodwork mills have been closed down and put into mothballs? It is pitiful to see this happen. Regrettably it is a fact of life here in Ireland at the moment.

Bearing all these things in mind, one of the biggest problems recently has been the withholding of money from the public capital programme. This is the single biggest factor which has depressed the construction industry over the past two years. I wonder what the Government think of the national planning report. I hope that, whatever is left of the industry, the Government are not thinking seriously of curtailing house improvement grants, that they are not contemplating the removal of mortgage interest and that the £1,000 new house grant will continue. It would sound the death knell of the construction industry if any of those items were to be withheld.

The Minister should read the contribution made by Deputy Molloy. He outlined many areas where the Government could restore confidence. There is no confidence in the construction industry. When confidence goes out of any industry, that is the end of it. Ask any small builder, and even some of the large builders, and they will tell you there is no confidence in the construction industry. The private sector can do nothing to promote employment unless it has the goodwill and the co-operation of the Government. It has not got that at this stage.

The neglect of the construction industry by this Government is a disgrace. I question the part being played in that national disgrace by the Labour partners in Government. A small sop was given to the construction industry by the reduction in VAT on ready-mix. However, it came too late to do anything great for the industry. The Minister of State should impress on his Minister the problems being experienced in the construction industry. It is a pity that taxation is one of the big cripplers of all industry. Over the next few months the Government should look at the problems being experienced in particular by employers. As this is one of the most labour intensive industries, PRSI affects employment. It is bad for any employer to have to pay 12½ per cent for every employee. This is having a devastating effect on employment in the industry. This is an area which should be looked at very soon.

The Minister of State told us the target for local authority housing for the coming year is 6,000 units. It is questionable whether that target will be met. In Dublin alone new starts were down by 20 per cent and the number of houses currently under construction is also down. One must ask is money for local authority housing being held back. I have pointed out the spin-off effects on the down-stream industries. We only have to look at the hardware industry. In every town hardware shops are closing down. Hardware wholesalers are feeling the chill winds. I am given to understand that the hardware business is down from 30 per cent to 50 per cent on the figure two years ago. The Minister should look seriously at the problems. There is no point saying what the Government did in the past year and what Fianna Fáil did since 1977. The problem is here and there is no point telling 45,000 people that it has existed since 1977. That will not do. I am disappointed that the Minister of State has not come in here with more positive ideas.

(Dublin North-West): I welcome this opportunity to say a few words in this debate. When I came into the Chamber there was a bit of cross fire between the Minister of State and Deputies on this side of the House about the Euro-elections. I wish the people who were elected every success and I commiserate with those who were not successful. The Labour Party were the losers in the European elections. Their absence from the Chamber tonight is quite noticeable. If they are representing the working people they should be here.

The building industry is in a very bad state at present. Thousands of people are unemployed. Many builders are finding it very difficult to keep going. There was a time when a builder was reluctant to undertake a small scheme. At present builders will tell you they will take anything because the industry has gone down so far.

There is a great demand for new houses but unfortunately there seems to be a breakdown in the financing of those houses. Sometimes Dublin Corporation engage contractors who are based outside the country but have a registered office in some part of Ireland. They bring skilled and unskilled people in van loads and bus loads from outside the State. It is well know that many of them are in receipt of unemployment benefit or assistance in the area they come from. They are taking jobs away from skilled people here who cannot find jobs in the building trade. I raised this with Dublin Corporation and I was informed that there is not much they can do about it due to EC laws and regulations. It is rather regrettable that that is happening when so many skilled people cannot find jobs. The building industry needs a large injection of capital in order to create employment and I call on the Minister to review the industry with this in mind.

Debate adjourned.
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