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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 12 Feb 1985

Vol. 355 No. 10

Private Members' Business. - Building and Construction Industry: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann calls on the Government to take immediate measures to reverse the decline in the building and construction industry and in particular to prevent a rise in house mortgage interest rates.

I wish to allow Deputy McCreevy ten minutes of my time. Fianna Fáil regret that the necessity has arisen again to draw the attention of the Government to the plight of the construction industry. Our motion arises directly from Government moves in the recent budget which clearly will have very serious consequences for employment and output in the construction industry.

The construction industry has suffered body blow after body blow from the Coalition in the past two years but the measures proposed in the recent budget will have a disastrous effect on what remains of the industry. It is impossible to understand the reason for the Government being hell-bent in the past two years on driving people out of this industry. Tax incentives which attracted private investment have been dismantled, public capital investment has been reduced by one-quarter while increased planning charges, development levies, VAT rates and PRSI contributions have been piled on to the industry, adding to costs and reducing output. Employment in the building and construction industry in April 1980 was at the level of 103,000 but because of the policies adopted, particularly in the past two years, mass unemployment in the industry has reduced that figure to about 80,000 with hundreds being added to the list every week.

In the past two years, too, contractors have gone out of business. Every measure introduced by the Government was a discouragement to the legitimate building firm to remain in business. Appeals for help for the industry have been made in this House on a number of occasions by this party and by other speakers and appeals on behalf of the industry have been made outside the House also. Therefore, the Government cannot claim to have been unaware of the crisis in the industry. Up to the recent budget all those appeals went unnoticed and unheeded by the Government. It had been hoped that in the budget the Government would announce a measure to halt the decline in the industry and to restore confidence in regard to the future of the industry. Deputies in Fine Gael and Labour indicated their awareness of the need for help for the industry when they applauded the Minister for Finance on his announcing an increase of £750 in the new house grant. But those same Deputies remained silent when the Minister announced an increase from 5 to 10 per cent in the VAT rate on building. Who was the Minister trying to fool in telling us on the one hand that the new house grant would increase by £750 while on the other hand he was adding a crippling £678 extra to the price of a £30,000 house? We are talking about an industry that is on its knees, battered by a drawn out recession, by cutbacks in capital investment, by tax policies that discourage private sector investment and now the Government are adding another £1,000 to the price of the average house which is £36,000. In this way they are putting a damper on the only sector that had real potential for growth. All we in Opposition can say is that the move is incredible.

Surely it is a mistake. No Government could have made such a decision knowing what the outcome would be. The most charitable view we in Fianna Fáil can take is that the Government made a genuine mistake. We are asking them to withdraw their proposal. If the VAT increase is not withdrawn, what remains of the house building industry will collapse and will take years to recover with awful consequences for the implementation of national social policies for the housing of our people.

Housing is a basic human requirement. The State has a moral responsibility to the homeless. We should have an enlightened housing policy which would encourage people to purchase homes for themselves while we provide homes for the less well off. The policies being pursued by the Government will put housing outside the reach of the average family and will lead to awful deprivation. The Government should remember that we have the youngest population in Europe. More than half of our people are under 25 so that in the next ten years there will be an explosion in the demand for housing. We cannot and must not cut back on our commitment to have homes built for our people. If the Government do not change their policies in that regard we will be faced with a revolution.

There is another scenario and it may be the one the Government wish to encourage. I refer to the emigrant ship. Has despair led the Government to that solution? It is time for honest talk.

The VAT proposals in the budget and of which we are critical will have four main repercussive effects. They will escalate the cost of new houses.

On a point of order, I understood from your office that we were precluded from raising that matter in this debate.

The Deputy is obviously touching on the Minister's toes.

A passing reference is in order but it would not be in order to include in the motion a call for the removal of VAT. An in-depth discussion on VAT, running parallel with the budget debate, would not be in order.

My party tabled a motion calling on the Government to take immediate measures to reverse the decline in the building and construction industry. We are convinced that some of the measures the Government are taking must be reversed and one of the principal measures in this context is the imposition of VAT on building. It is my duty to place on record the effect the proposed increase would have on the cost of housing.

The Chair would ask the Deputy for his co-operation. I have made it clear that a passing reference to VAT is in order but we cannot have a budget debate on it.

I was not endeavouring to have a budget debate on VAT. I am merely referring to matters which affect the building industry and the most crucial of those is the effect increased VAT would have on the cost of houses. With an increase in VAT from 5 to 10 per cent, the price of a £30,000 house would increase by £1,428. The increase in the grant for first time buyers is to be £750. While the increase is welcome it will not go anywhere near making up the increase in the cost of a house as a result of increased VAT even in the case of houses in the lower price range, because contractors almost exclusively pay VAT, even on a cash receipt basis. Since housing grants are generally paid direct to the purchaser not the builder, contractors return VAT on the purchase price of houses inclusive of grants, if applicable.

This increase will further widen the gap between the purchase price of a house and the amount of the loan. We know that the deposit gap is one of the greatest inhibitions and obstacles facing couples making a decision to purchase a home. Trying to bridge that deposit gap has always been one of the great problems. Now we see the Government, by deliberate action, deciding to widen the deposit gap, thereby making it so much harder for people to make the decision to buy a house. It is important to remember also that only approximately 60 per cent of house purchasers actually qualify for the first time housing grant.

Secondly, the increased VAT will reduce the amount of Government and local authority work that can be done. Since it will not cost more to build any project, it follows that less work can be done for the same amount of money in the public capital programme or in the local authority alocations. This will affect all aspects of public work including schools, local authority housing and so on. The increased VAT means an effective reduction of approximately £50 million in the public capital programme. The increased VAT will further encourage the black economy. This House knows the serious effects that is having on our overall economy. Because the difference between VAT charged on materials and VAT payable by registered contractors has been reduced, even eliminated in the case of some materials, it will increase the activity of the black economy. This is already seriously affecting the industry. If a private client wanted to buy and instal items of electrical equipment prior to this, the client may have paid 35 per cent VAT if he bought the material himself——

The Deputy may not devote all his speech, or the greater portion of it, to VAT.

I shall move as quickly as I can. If the client had used a registered contractor, the client would pay VAT at only 5 per cent on the installation and supply of equipment. This obviously encourages clients to use registered contractors, rather than have the work carried out in a black economy. The same would apply in the case of fitted kitchens, extensions to houses by direct labour and so on. The combined effects of all these can only lead to reduced demand and reduced employment in the construction industry, an industry which has already 50,000 of its workers unemployed. This will apply particularly to house building, which is highly labour intensive. The increase will also show up some glaringly unfair anomalies in the case of contractors who have entered into an absolute fixed price contract. The contractors will have to return VAT at the increased rate, but will be unable to recover the increased amount. The recent decision to postpone to 1 May will avoid this happening for house builders, but inevitably some of these will be caught. In the case where a final account has been agreed but not yet paid, when the account is eventually paid it will be inclusive of VAT at 5 per cent.

I have given the Deputy a lot of scope but he is not being fair with the Chair. The Deputy has the budget debate and the Finance Bill to deal with this.

The Opposition are being seriously curtailed in their motion if I am not allowed to refer to the effects that these matters have.

I made it clear——

I shall try to move on quickly.

If you would, Deputy, I would be grateful.

(Interruptions.)

——for that 10 per cent, if paid after 1 May, likewise with retention money. I understand that all others will have to return their increased VAT from 1 March — that is for all other building. These are all cases where the contractors are being asked to pay the increased VAT out of their own pockets at a time of extremely low price and recession in the industry. In addition, depending on circumstances, house purchasers may have to pay the increased cost due to VAT, but will not be able to avail of the increased grants.

Reference has been made to the fact that the construction industry has been helped because VAT on some items used in the industry, such as concrete blocks, has been reduced. It has been amply demonstrated now there is no truth whatsoever in saying that there was any benefit to the construction industry arising from the reduction in the rate at which VAT was charged on concrete blocks from 23 per cent to 10 per cent.

Not today, Deputy, but tomorrow on the budget debate.

All repayments are refunded to builders who are registered and would not have to pay these amounts in any case. I protest that I am not being allowed to continue to talk about this subject.

If the Deputy thought about it for one moment he would see that he is speaking on two debates on the same subject at the same time.

It is hard to avoid doing that.

It does not make sense. Perhaps the Chair should have ruled out the motion altogether.

That may be.

I let the motion through, having suggested that it be altered to avoid a budget debate, which is not in order.

What the Deputy is saying concerns the budget and the industry, surely.

It is clear that rules are being applied very stringently when arguments are being made which are embarrassing to the Government.

The Deputy has got away with a lot.

It is obvious that the Government have made a very serious blunder.

The Deputy is impugning the Chair.

We would appeal to them not to go through with that blunder. Deputy O'Brien is impugning every building construction worker in the country and putting his job at risk. Already he has put many hundreds of them out of work. He should be really ashamed to sit on those benches and condone the measures being implemented by the Government which he claims to support, because of the disastrous effects which they are having within our economy ——

The Deputy is running out of steam.

——because of jobs that are being lost through companies being put out of commission and because——

The truth is embarrassing the Minister.

—— because we have a major social housing problem here ——

Deputy Molloy should bring himself into order and the Minister should stop interrupting.

The budget proposals to increase the ——

I cannot allow the Deputy to talk about the budget. It is not in order.

The Chair is anticipating what I am going to say but I am not going to say what the Chair thinks I am going to say. Would the Chair please allow me to proceed? The budget proposal to increase the composite rate of tax ——

You have been saying that for a quarter of an hour.

—— on building society deposits is another foolish move which has since resulted in building societies deciding to increase interest rates on mortgages, making it more difficult for families to keep up with their monthly repayments. The proposed increase of 2 per cent is to take account of the increase in bank lending rates last December and the budget proposals in regard to the composite rate of tax charged to deposits in the building societies. This increase will cost an extra £28 per month on a £20,000 loan. In many cases that would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Arrears in mortagage repayments are at an unprecedented level now. More and more families are having to surrender their homes to the building societies. If the present trickle is allowed to become a flood the housing market will be in danger of collapsing, with severe repercussions for the rest of the economy. If they believe, as they say in their plan Building on Reality, that interest rates will drop, then the Government must come to the rescue of mortgage holders by way of subsidy or otherwise to enable them to hold on to their homes until the rates come down. Some special scheme should be devised to assist those who took out mortgages in the past ten years or so, as these are the younger families who are carrying the bulk of the higher level loans on mortgage.

Most of the papers read at the recent national construction conference 1985 entitled "Construction and the National Plan" concluded that the private housing sector contained the greatest opportunity for growth in construction output during the period of the plan, but emphasised that substantial incentives to private investment would be necessary to bring this about. The need for greater private investment is evident against Government plans to cut the public capital programme. In fact, one speaker, Jerome Casey, stated at that conference that the volume of public capital programme funding for construction could, by 1987, be about 10 per cent lower in real terms than in 1984. Any study of the plan's proposed projections for public capital expenditure lead one to that conclusion.

I would like today to call on the Government to release a programme of public construction projects, to promote private sector investment and to create opportunities for joint public-private sector infrastructural projects such as roads, sanitary services, housing, schools, hospitals, gas main extensions and Government construction, including the Fianna Fáil decentralisation programme. The construction industry which is the subject of this debate has, as I said at the outset, taken a hammering from a series of Government measures introduced so far. Those still remaining in the industry, particularly in the house building industry, do so because they have cut down on their costs, because they have applied the best possible management practices. They have exercised the maximum possible efficiency and effectiveness in controlling the cost of their operation in order to try to stay in the business. It is well known that in many cases builders whose profit margin is negative are continuing to operate. Builders who have sought to keep their crews together to try to ride out this recession now find that the Government, rather than thanking them for the efforts they have made in maintaining employment and in applying cost effectiveness, are introducing measures which will wipe them out overnight.

It is beyond comprehension how the Government could possibly have decided to introduce measures which will add to the problems of the building industry. My figures for unemployment in the building industry are out of date but they are the most recent available to me. In the building and construction industry there are 44,900 unemployed; in the building materials sector there are 6,500 unemployed; in the builders merchants 1,400; in the plant hire area, 200; and in the private consultancy area there are 2,500 unemployed, making a sad total of 55,500 unemployed. In relation to private consultancy, up to 40 per cent of the architects and staffs in consultants offices are now redundant. The design work is not being done for future development. We will go down a lot faster unless the Government makes a move to increase activity in the construction industry.

In the area of private housing there has been a dramatic drop in the number of new houses being constructed since this Government came to office. In 1981 there were 22,786 new private houses completed. That had dropped by 9.3 per cent in 1982 to 20,662 and had dropped by 5.6 per cent the following year to 19,498 and then dropped by 7.7 per cent the following year to 18,000 completions. We know that the overall total number of houses completed last year was only 25,000, which is approximately the figure we achieved in 1973.

The population has exploded since 1973. We have thousands of young people forming new families at the rate of 20,000 families per year. Where will they be housed if the housing programme is to be cut back as drastically as is clearly illustrated in the plan Building on Reality, which talks of a cutback in the building of local authority houses. The building of local authority housing increased last year to 7,000 but the provision this year was for 6,000. The Government have an opportunity to create employment and to meet a great social need by encouraging the construction industry into more activity and by providing incentives for people to invest in the industry rather than imposing crippling taxes which the industry is not capable of absorbing without disastrous effects.

The Minister chided the Fianna Fáil speakers in a snide way and suggested that we are exaggerating the problem. We are not exaggerating the problem and the sad reality is that the truth of the terrible effect their policies are having has not dawned on the Minister or the Government. When one looks at the plan Building on Reality one sees that one of the few areas where there was hope of getting expansion and jobs was in the area of housing. There is practically an insatiable demand for housing and there will be for the foreseeable future because of the growth of the population. The VAT imposition and the Government borrowing policy last year forced up interest rates in the home market which has now resulted in the building societies, in order to hold on to the depositors, having to increase their level of interest charges so that the people will not just be able to pay. We know from practical experience of the hardship people are suffering because of the massive increase in costs for private homes in a situation where their jobs are being lost. Husbands and wives who both had jobs took on a mortgage on that basis and they now find that their plans for the future have gone out the window because of the jump of approximately £28 per month on a £20,000 mortgage in the event of this 2 per cent increase being allowed on building society mortgages.

We appeal to the Government not to proceed with the increase in building society interest rates. The Government have the power to intervene and precedents have been shown in the past to have been successful in cases where mortgage holders have been relieved of a crippling burden arising from massive increases. If the Government really believe that interest rates will come down in the short term it will not be a big cost on them to carry this increase by way of a subsidy until then. If the burden is allowed to be transferred to the mortgage holder who is not in a position to carry the extra £28 per month and will have to surrender his home, then this Government must be condemned. Many mortgage holders are seriously in arrears at present and any further increase in the amount that they must pay on their mortgage will in hundreds of cases be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It is a sad feature of society today that the building societies are in the property market seeking to dispose of homes they had to repossess. We had not much of that in the past but it is a feature of Irish life today. People are coming to TDs clinics asking them to try to get them on the local authority housing lists because they cannot keep up with crippling repayments for houses because of the loss of their jobs and their expected income. Unemployment is filtering through society and having a horrible effect on families.

I hope the Minister will take heed of our appeal, that there will be a change of heart and that the Government will recognise that they have made a serious blunder and that the building industry cannot absorb this VAT because the people to whom they are selling are not in a position to pay the huge increase which this VAT will levy on them. The social problems which it would create — homelessness, for those unable to afford to buy a house and unable to get one from a local authority, the tragedy of unemployment and the loss of skills in the construction industry — will be horrific. We do not want to see the country return to mass emigration but that seems to be the direction in which we are heading due to the policies of this Government.

The Deputy has 12 minutes left.

I am concluding now to let Deputy McCreevy in. These problems exist especially in the construction area, an area to which we all looked as an area in which to create employment. The Government could have taken advantage of a situation where there is a very strong demand. By introducing selective tax incentives to the private sector the Government could have succeeded in attracting a lot of extra money to the building industry, but they have soaked up money which was going into the industry and transferred it to the State coffers, adding to the cost of homes and having a disastrous effect on the economy. We appeal to the Government to have second thoughts and hopefully reason will prevail before the week is out.

I support the motion put forward by Deputy Molloy. While people on both sides of the House might agree or disagree on the figures, about which Government have done more for the building industry and about which Government have provided more houses, we will all have to agree that the present state of the construction industry is not what anyone would like it to be, and that the reality is that more than 50,000 people in the construction industry are unemployed.

I do not think many people would weep tears for the building contractors, but the construction industry is the second largest in the country and had an output last year of £1,800 million. No matter how we talk about the money being put into that industry we must remember that it provides jobs. In many other countries the building industry has been a barometer to employment, and here the industry employs not only those directly engaged in it but provides employment for spin-off businesses.

In Ireland since 1981 annual private house completions have come down from 23,000 to 18,000. As well, the market has virtually ceased. Prior to the budget, the industry had visions of a stimulus through a reduction in VAT. They did not get it — indeed VAT has been increased. The national plan has only a few lines regarding the construction industry and it allows for only 1,000 extra jobs a year. A number of big building conglomerates have gone outside the country. One, in particular, has abandoned operations here and have begun to build in the UK. Cement Roadstone are looking for growth outside the Irish economy, forseeing no prospect of growth here in the near future.

As I pointed out on the night of the budget, the effect of the provisions in it will increase the price of new houses. Of course, the Minister for Finance announced an increase in the grant for first time buyers but it must be remembered that only 40 per cent of the houses completed each year are for first time purchasers.

The budget proposals will take approximately £75 million out of the building industry and this is the last straw. These proposals will create enormous uncertainty in the building trade. Would the Minister tell me of a contractor who will now be prepared to undertake new schemes of houses? In the past few days we heard that the building societies will have to increase their mortgage rates in order to compete with the banks, and this motion refers to the probable increase. With the price of houses going up as a result of the budget and with a number of job losses in this sector of the economy as well as in others, people will be very shy about going to building societies. The demand will be less and people paying mortgages at new rates will not be able to meet them. Many people are reluctant to buy houses and more and more demand will be thrown on the local authority housing lists.

It must be remembered that the reason interest rates here are so high is Government over-expenditure. In a number of general election campaigns the debate has been about putting our public finances in order. I am one Deputy who has been consistent in my condemnation of Government expenditure. A Minister at present in the Government, Deputy J. Bruton, said that they must outlaw current budget deficits and that no longer would consequent high interest rates be a feature. He said that Government expenditure was too high.

It is because of Government expenditure that interest rates are so high here. On top of that, the Government have been borrowing in the market place and of course money, like any other commodity, relies on the law of demand and supply. If building society rates are to go up further this supposed national plan of the Government will be deplored still further. What I find most extraordinary about it is that the Government side when referring to it say that the Government will keep in line with it. Any housewife who has a plan to keep, say, within £500 a week, will keep within it, but that does not mean her plan is any good.

The effect of the crisis in the construction industry is that there will be more unemployment in the industry itself and consequently less business and less employment in such firms as builders' providers and so on. There will be more applicant for local authority houses and this in turn will lead to more emigration. Therefore, I ask the Minister to consider some measures that will stop the undoubted decline of this industry which is in a terrible state. The decline must be reversed.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:

endorses the Government's consistent adherence, as reflected in the National Plan, to a strategy of sustained and soundly based growth of the economy; recognises the importance of the building industry in this process and notes the continued high level of investment in the Public Capital Programme in roads, housing and other services affecting the building industry; and supports the Government in its continued efforts to redress the undisciplined management of the economy in the late 1970s and early 1980s and to create conditions of enterprise in the economy generally, from which the building industry will benefit.

I am glad that Fianna Fáil have put down this motion on the building and construction industry. I welcome this opportunity to speak on the motion and to set the record straight concerning the Government's policy in relation to the industry.

The past year saw a continuation, although at a reduced rate, of the pattern of declining output and rising unemployment which has characterised the industry in recent years. This trend in a year which saw a resumption of moderate economic growth in the economy in general underlines once again just how difficult an adjustment the building industry has had to make in the aftermath of the inflationary expansion of the late seventies and early eighties. The industry has had to pay a very high price in terms of falling output and rising unemployment for the disastrous debt-financed inflationary boom unleashed between 1977 and 1981.

To appreciate the Government's response to the present recession in the industry it is important to understand the cause of decline in output in recent years. The root cause of the industry's difficulties has been the decline in private investment, particularly in areas of industrial and commercial development. While a certain amount of development continues to take place in those areas the fact is that there is a surplus of office accommodation, retail units and factory space and this surplus is discouraging new private investment. The Government are determined to see the decline in the building industry reversed and orderly growth resumed as soon as possible. The problems of the industry are being tackled on two fronts, by raising public expenditure affecting the industry to the highest sustainable level and by creating conditions conducive to increased private investment in the industry.

The national plan provides for an increase of almost 9½ per cent in Public Capital Programme expenditure affecting the building industry between 1984 and 1987. This increase will occur in spite of the fact that some public investment programmes with significant building elements have been wound down as they neared completion. Over the period of the plan construction will account for an increased share of the total public capital expenditure. By increasing public expenditure in the industry, by promoting recovery of the economy generally, by stabilising the burden of taxation and by restoring order to the public finances, the programme of action set out in the plan will help to restore private sector confidence and increase private investment. The plan contains also a number of specific measures which will have the effect of boosting output and employment in the industry.

The volume decline of output in the construction industry in 1984, estimated at approximately 5 per cent, was significantly lower than the volume decline in both 1983 and 1982. Further evidence of the bottoming out of the recession in the building industry is provided by the unemployment figures. Average unemployment rose by 3,900 in 1984 compared with increases of over 7,000 in 1983 and almost 5,700 in 1982. It was widely expected that 1985 would see further progress in halting the decline in output and rise in unemployment in the industry. However, I was heartened by the forecast of the volume increase of 1½ per cent in building investment for 1985 contained in the latest commentary of the ESRI.

Having said that, I should like now to refer briefly to major programmes of my Department — roads, sanitary services and housing — and to outline the various measures taken in each of those areas to increase output and employment. First, I should like to inform the House that overall investment on these programmes will increase by 15 per cent by 1987 — this is the targeted expenditure set out in the national plan. Given the economic constraints under which we now operate this is a very substantial commitment.

On roads I can say categorically that this Government have done more than any other to redress the neglect of our major roads network, to promote road construction as a priority of infrastructural development. The Government's commitment to roads and their role in the future economic development of the country is unprecedented, far outstripping anything done heretofore. During the previous Fianna Fáil administration Members of this House became accustomed to successive Ministers for the Environment pledging major improvements to our roads network. In 1979 their development plan for the eighties, was launched amid a fanfare of publicity. It was heralded as being the first major road plan of this type since the foundation of the State, as being unprecedented in its time span and format and as charting the course for bringing our road network up to a standard capable of meeting present and anticipated traffic demands. To be fair, the plan was accepted by politicians, transport and commercial interests, and motorists, as constituting a serious attempt to improve road standards to meet the ever increasing transport demands of our developing economy. Alas, however, our hopes were not to be realised. In 1980, the very first year of the operation of the 1979 road plan, the provision for road improvement grants fell short of the level projected in the plan by a massive 43 per cent in real terms. Hopes of the new bridges and by-passes, inner relief roads and improved national routes promised in the road plan, began to fade. We were back to the piecemeal, year to year straitjacket approach with no realistic forward planning framework. This Government, on the other hand, have provided for real investment in the road improvement programme. The 1983 and 1984 provisions for road improvements represented increases of 93 per cent and 98 per cent respectively, in real terms, on the Fianna Fáil provision in 1980.

Early in 1984 a review of the 1979 road plan was completed by my Department, taking into account the experience of the plan's operation since 1980, the effects of the serious under-financing of the programme from the start and the priority to be accorded to the major improvement projects outlined in the plan which had not yet been undertaken. This review concluded that while the road needs identified in the 1979 plan were still real and urgent, a considerable additional financial commitment was required. The review was considered by the Government and formed the basis for the first firm multi-annual financial commitment for road development announced in the national plan.

Nowhere is this Government's commitment to the building industry more evident than in their decisions in relation to road improvements. In the national plan, the Government not only introduced the concept of multi-annual financing but also indicated their intention to increase substantially State investment in improvement works each year from 1985 to 1987. 1985 is the first year of our national plan and we have fully honoured our commitment to roads. The provision of £125 million for improvement work in 1985 represents an increase of 23 per cent or 17 per cent in real terms, on the 1984 provision. The 1986 provision will be increased to £140 million and by 1987 the annual provision of £155 million will be 53 per cent greater than the 1984 figure. In fact, the total provision for the period will be 10 per cent greater in real terms, than the target set for the period in the 1979 plan.

Not only do we now have, for the first time, a firm financial commitment for three years, but the level of investment will be far in excess of anything provided by previous Governments. It will enable the most ambitious roads programme ever undertaken in this country to get underway immediately. Details of the programme of major improvement projects to be undertaken during the three year period and beyond were set out in the new road plan, "Policy and Planning Framework for Roads", which was published on 29 January. In addition to the planned expenditure on road improvements, the new plan includes an additional three year commitment of £89 million for road maintenance, bringing total State expenditure to £509 million by 1987. It is expected that this level of expenditure will provide an additional 1,100 direct jobs over the period, together with an annual increase in spin-off employment of 400.

The recently published Policy and Planning Framework also provides, as its title suggests, a clear and definitive statement of road development policy and thereby provides a framework for the activities of local authorities, the building industry and potential private investment.

While State investment in roads is being increased considerably the Government are aware that the availability of additional finance could speed up the programme of priority projects and allow them to be constructed earlier than would otherwise be possible. For this reason the Government have made clear in the Policy and Planning Framework document that they welcome private sector investment in projects coming within the programme whether through tolls or loan finance. I wish to emphasise again that any funds invested by the private sector or obtained through tolling by local authorities, will be in addition to rather than in substitution for State investment.

The Government have already indicated that one such proposal has been examined and is generally acceptable. In accordance with my commitment at the launching of the new road plan, my Department have this week issued details of projects considered suitable for tolling to commercial and financial interests. The list is not meant to be exhaustive and any realistic proposals put forward will be carefully considered and evaluated in conjuction with the relevant local authorities.

This Government have approached the roads problem in a practical and realistic way. For the first time local authorities, the building industry, potential private investors and transport interests can clearly see the road ahead; they have a firm medium term commitment of State finance and a clear statement of policy to provide a planning framework for investment. We can all look to the future of the road development programme with confidence.

I should like now to speak about sanitary services. Since this Government took office considerable progress has been made in bringing sanitary service schemes to tender and construction stage, especially in 1983 and 1984 when the value of schemes approved totalled just £200 million. This compares very favourably with the previous two years 1981 and 1982 when the total value of schemes approved was less than £90 million.

In 1984 alone I was able to approve the release of 102 separate schemes with an overall total value of £101 million which was a record for any one year and this cleared the backlog of schemes that were technically in order and awaiting release in my Department. The release of these schemes, some of which are already under construction, will ensure that local authorities have sufficient work on hands to continue the significant progress that has been made in bringing schemes to construction in recent years. It will also allow local authorities to advance other proposed schemes which are at various stages of planning.

The value of tenders approved during 1981 and 1982 was less than £80 million. This compares with over £120 million in tenders approved by my predecessor, the Tánaiste, and myself. These approvals show quite clearly the substantial progress made in bringing schemes to construction over the past two years. These releases have brought the value of the programme at tender and construction stages to £450 million as compared with £300 million at the end of 1982.

The capital investment in the sanitary services programme over the past two years in respect of public schemes, grants to schemes in the western package and grants for group water schemes was £193.2 million and this shows a considerable increase in comparison with the provision for the previous two years which totalled £165.3 million. The overall additional capital investment made available by this Government during these periods totals £28.65 million. This increase in capital investment must be considered very substantial especially in the light of the economic situation prevailing and shows our commitment to ensuring that sufficient capital investment is made available to local authorities and individual groups to ensure that progress is made in the actual construction of schemes.

The provision in the Government's plan Building on Reality will allow many other schemes to be completed and get to construction stage as soon as possible and will allow for the progress that has been made to date to be maintained. It is essential that adequate resources are made available to meet housing and industrial development requirements as well as increases in demands as a result of increased urbanisation and the national plan will ensure that this is done. The total capital investment over the next three years has been set at nearly £280 million. This substantial capital investment will allow for considerable improvements to be made in existing services and bring supplies to others who have no supplies at present. It will also allow me to approve high priority schemes that are presently at various stages of planning.

The sanitary services programme not only provides the necessary water and sewerage systems to encourage development but also provides additional facilities for fire fighting and abatement of pollution. The releases over the past two years have allowed for some of the recommendations of the Water Pollution Advisory Council to be implemented and I have no doubt that further progress will be made in this area during the course of the plan. Progress on the programme continues at a satisfactory level with 870 schemes serving about 37,000 houses and associated farms in progress and 140 other schemes at design stage which could serve about 7,200 houses and associated farms.

On local authority housing there can be no doubt about the Government's commitment to the local authority housing construction programme. The programme in 1984 accounted for the completion of about 7,000 houses which is the highest total number of completions in any year since 1976. In that year under another Coalition Government local authority house completions totalled 7,263 following an all time record of 8,794 in 1975. The average monthly employment during the year was about 6,800 which was about 400 higher than the corresponding figure for 1983. To me personally it is an extremely satisfactory feature of the programme to have such a source of steady well-spread employment. With the policy as set out in the national plan of maintaining output at an even level the local authority programme will continue to have a steadying influence on employment in the building industry.

While the healthy state of the local authority house construction is largely due to the increased capital being provided, the measures introduced by the Government to ensure the maximum return on State investment have also been a significant factor. While it is too early at this stage to quantify the full effects of the cost control procedures since the bulk of schemes to which they have been applied are still under construction, nevertheless they have provided my Department with a framework within which we can ensure that the best value for money is being obtained every time a housing scheme is initiated.

Because there has been some confusion about what is involved in house procedures, I should like to emphasise that they do not involve any recourse to low cost methods. I do not think there can be a public representative who is not too well aware of these "so called" low cost methods introduced in the bad old days of the late sixties and early seventies which, in the end, turned out to be not so low cost after all. They are still being paid for and, indeed, are absorbing some of the scarce capital which would otherwise be spent on new construction.

The procedures now in operation are geared to achieve more efficient financial management of the programme both at local and central level. They are, as I have said, aimed at getting the best value for money and in this way in the long term can benefit not only the finances of the State but also the finances of the builders who operate the housing construction programme. The national economic plan also contains several other initiatives that can only boost activity in the private construction sector.

Under the arrangements for joint venture housing, local authorities can provide sites under licence to private contractors for the construction of modestly priced houses for sale to selected purchasers. While this scheme has been reasonably successful to date, it has yet to realise anything like its full potential. In line with the commitment in the national plan to promote joint venture housing my Department have recently written to all housing authorities to assess fully the potential for joint venture housing schemes in their areas and where practicable to enter into arrangements with builders to make land available for this purpose. They were also informed that as an added incentive to those who were otherwise depending on the local authorities for housing a site subsidy of up to £1,000 or one third of the site cost would be extended to participants in joint venture housing schemes who were approved applicants for local authority housing or who were tenants or sub-tenants of local authority houses but did not qualify for the new £5,000 grant. This incentive is, of course, additional to the new house grant and the £3,000 mortgage subsidy which is payable to first time private house purchasers.

Demands from the industry and from Members of the Opposition that local authorities should give land to builders for joint venture schemes at nominal cost continue to be made. The situation in Britain is quoted in support of this and it has been brought to my attention on numerous occasions how successful the joint venture arrangement has been in Britain. However, the situation there is completely different inasmuch as there has been a deliberate policy by the Government there to run down the local authority house building programme. As the land is no longer needed for local authority housing it can be disposed of at nominal cost to builders who will provide houses for people who would otherwise look to their local authority for housing. While this may appear to be a very good, sensible way of dealing with a housing problem it can have the effect of leaving people who are in need of housing, and who cannot afford to pay, out in the cold. I do not think this would be acceptable here and for this reason I cannot see that it would be justified to have local authorities disposing of land at nominal prices to house people who can afford to pay while others who cannot afford to pay are in greater need.

The Government have also decided that where there are opportunities to do so economically, and to the advantage of prospective tenants, local authorities should be able to buy private houses. One of the objects of this arrangement is to create a better social mix but as the main emphasis of the scheme is geared to the purchase of newly built houses this could give a considerable boost to the private house builder. I would hope that as the benefits of the arrangement become clearer to local authorities and builders a substantial number of such houses are acquired by local authorities to add to their existing stock.

I would now like to look briefly at the future prospect for the industry given the fact that it has put the worst behind it and taking account of the Government's commitment to keep their financial support at the highest practicable level; the national plan in Building on Reality and its policies in relation to the industry; the recent budget which is designed to leave more spending power with people and bring about an improvement in private demand and, as a consequence, private investment and the recommendations of the Sectoral Development Committee and the Sectoral Consultative Committee.

The Minister does not honestly believe that.

The Government's financial support to the industry has been high since the recession began. Despite this, the Government have taken much criticism from the industry which appears to feel that we have some magic wand to wave about and money will appear from nowhere to provide buildings or works that will be in immediate demand. We are constrained not only on the supply side but more importantly still on the demand side. We have a range of incentives on private housing which is unprecedented in the history of this State and have few equals anywhere else in the western world. Still demand for new private housing is falling. The answer to the problem lies in accepting the fact that it is not just confined to the building industry; it is a problem which extends to the economy generally. Curing the economic ills of the country will not only strengthen the Government's ability to finance the building industry element of the public capital programme but will also increase demand by improving the ability of people to avail of the industry's product.

The national plan and the budget both try to achieve this. The policies enunciated in the plan are geared towards the broad economic development of our country and will influence strongly the development of all economic sectors, including the building industry. The budget, which was framed within the context of the plan's policies and objectives, incorporates initiatives designed to produce the maximum response in terms of employment, output and social justice from the use of the resources available to us.

There is one further important point I should make. The Government today considered the outcome of the recent discussions which have taken place with the Building Societies. To minimise the impact on householders of the societies' increasing the rate they offer to investors, the Government have decided that for the tax year 1985-86 the composite rate of tax will be set at 80 per cent of the standard rate. In addition, the ceiling on investments which benefit from the composite rate will be increased from £15,000 to £25,000. The new building society mortgage rate will be 13 per cent, an increase of 1.25 per cent on the present rate, not 2 per cent as the Deputy opposite said so often this evening, while the rate the societies will be paying on investments will now be 8.1 per cent tax paid, which is the equivalent of roughly 12.5 per cent gross. This is an outcome which in all the circumstances must be regarded as reasonable and reflects the Government's determination to cushion both existing and future house buyers against the impact of the higher interest rates.

The House will agree that the discussions the Minister for Finance and I have been engaged in with the building societies over the last three or four days have had a very beneficial effect for mortgage payers and those investing in the societies. I would like to thank the building societies for their continued interest in our demands which we laid very clearly before them, and in the meeting of minds in the interests particularly of the mortgage holders.

We are all keenly aware of this, given the fact that our aim must be to eliminate the undue volatility of the present and past outlook for the industry and the development which is likely to take place in the future to generate a level of activity in the economy as a whole. This train of thought has been echoed in the Sectoral Consultative Committee's report and is a major recommendation of the Sectoral Development Committee. We must look for stability initially and steady and sustained growth of a kind which is based on policies which are bedded in reality and not in fantasy. To talk in this House of borrowing more money to finance the industry is patent nonsense and indicative of a party which is bereft of even a shred of policy in relation to an industry which deserves better and with no thought for the other sectors of our community who would be financing the increased borrowing through increased taxation either by way of income tax or VAT.

I hope that in his reply tomorrow the Minister of State will be given the same latitude which was given to Deputy Molloy when he was making his arguments on VAT and that he will be able to answer some of the questions which were put forward, even though I believe they are outside the terms of this debate.

The Minister has been speaking 40 minutes and we have not heard one word about the 10 per cent——

I said last June that I hoped Fianna Fáil would have modified their approach to the building industry but I am afraid they have not done anything about this yet. Fianna Fáil continue to put forward the old proposals for borrowing more to get us out of debt, throwing money at the problem thinking that will solve it. This Government have taken the problem in hand. We have put forward a policy for the next three years. I have enunciated that policy here tonight and I have also outlined the published document Building on Reality. Everybody knows where the building industry is going. We have given it the injection of capital it needs and over the next three years we can look forward to a better, healthier and happier building industry.

The Minister should resign.

Everybody knows where the building industry is going, except the Minister, because he does not seem to know the situation in relation to that industry as a whole. I agree with my colleague, Deputy Molloy, and with the motion put down by Deputy Vincent Brady. In view of the Ceann Comhairle's ruling in relation to mentioning the imposition of VAT, I will make only a passing reference to it although it is one of the main reasons for the motion.

I hope the Deputy will make only a passing reference to the subject.

I will try to observe the ruling of the Ceann Comhairle in that regard but I seek your indulgence if I mention it. Building on Reality, in relation to the building industry, says that employment in that industry has fallen sharply since its peak in 1980. If everything in Building on Reality has been researched as well as that fact, the country is in for a great shock because employment in the building industry did not peak in 1980; it peaked in 1981.

The Government amendment blames Fianna Fáil for the present position despite the fact that the Government have been in office for almost two and a half years. The publication of the Central Statistics Office of 30 January 1985 shows very clearly that employment, taking 1979 as the base year, peaked in 1981. The last Coalition Government of 1981-82 cut back on the capital programme which had been set out by Fianna Fáil in their preparation for the 1982 Budget to which Fianna Fáil had to adhere.

The real slide in employment in the building industry started in 1983, continued through 1984 and certainly did not start in 1981. There was a reduction in employment in this industry in 1983 of 19.4 per cent and a further 12.5 per cent in 1984. Those figures show the reality of the Government's concern for the building industry.

There is an implied threat in Building on Reality in relation to local authorities. On page 113 it says:

The Department of the Environment is examining the consistency of local authority procedures for the allocation of tenancies. Future housing capital allocations to local authorities will be based on the results of this examination.

As a direct result of Government action many more people will be looking for local authority housing and the implied threat is slightly premature. The 6,000 local authority houses envisaged during the course of the plan will not be nearly enough and the Minister will have to revise his figures. In 1982 there were 2,233 houses constructed per month, in 1983 the figure was 2,178 and in 1984, for the first nine months — they are the only figures available — the average number constructed was 1,982. It shows a continuing decline in the number of houses which have been built since the Government came to office in 1982. It also shows that the Government are not really concerned about the serious decline in the construction industry.

The amendment refers to the continued high level of investment in roads, housing and other services. I listened to the Minister trotting out figures which sounded very well, but let us look at the facts. The figure for roads and sanitary services in 1984 amounted to £206 million, the figure for housing was £377 million and the figure for education was £83 million — all in the capital programme —making a total of £666 million. According to the Minister we will have a continued high level of investment in roads, housing and other services and we are all expected to believe the plan. In 1987 the projected figure for roads and sanitary services is £257 million, it is £411 million for housing and there is a figure of £115 million for education — a total of £783 million.

We estimate that over the next three years inflation will rise by 20 per cent. At this stage I have to refer to the imposition of 5 per cent VAT which means that inflation will rise by 25 per cent in the next three years. To keep pace with the figure set out in 1984, the amount of money needed would be a sum of £833 million. The Minister can check those figures and he will see that in the plan there is a projected inflation rate of 6 per cent for 1987 and 7 per cent for 1985 and 1986. If you add the 5 per cent for the imposition of VAT you will see that we are short £50 million. That is what the Minister calls the continued high level of investment. If you also take into account the capital expenditure on hospitals and Government construction, a total of £112 million against a total of £122 million for 1987, there is a shortage of £18 million even to keep pace with inflation. The building industry certainly knows where it is going.

Increases in fuel costs will further compound the problem. The damage done to employment in machinery and allied industries as aresult of what happened in the budget will be very severe. The proposals in Building on Reality, far from being the rosy picture which the Minister portrayed, are nothing but a morass and a quagmire into which the construction industry will slowly but surely sink.

Small contractors will disappear as a result of the penal impositions in the budget. For this ever-decreasing section of the industry the budget provisions will apply the coup de grace. A fellow councillor in Mayo who is not a member of this party builds houses for Mayo County Council. In 1983 his price for building houses was accepted. In 1984 he submitted a price of £1,000 less per house but somebody else sent in a tender which was lower than his. That gives some idea of the cut-throat competition in the building industry. It will have unfortunate results for contractors.

There is a price war on in the building industry. The Minister and his colleagues could help the building industry by doing something which would not cost much money but which would improve the cash flow of many builders and that is to do something about the long delays there are in the completion of final accounts for local authorities. At present many builders have over borrowed. They must wait until the final accounts are approved before payment is made and in many cases this is not for some years after the building has been finished and occupied. I know of cases where contractors are being summonsed by subcontractors who themselves are under pressure to obtain money. The Government could help greatly if they ensured that final accounts were completed within a reasonable length of time, particularly in relation to schools and local authority schemes. One of the problems about this is the embargo on public service employment. This would account for some of the delay but if attention was paid to streamlining the position it would be of tremendous benefit to many small contractors who often have to wait a few years for their final certificates to be issued.

Many local communities will be hit by the extra tax. For example, if a school is to cost £200,000 and the local contribution is to be 10 per cent, the imposition of the extra 5 per cent means that the community will have to find another £1,000 to forward to the Department of Education.

As regards local authority housing, the Minister mentioned a figure of 6,000 houses. The imposition of the extra 5 per cent will mean that 300 houses fewer can be built for the same money. Unless the Minister increases aid to local authorities his target of 6,000 houses will not be reached.

The Government have adopted a give and take policy. They give with fanfares and press conferences and they take by stealth with a line or half a line in the budget. These proposals will deal a devastating blow to employment in the building industry and will mean the end for many small contractors. They will be unable to compete with those in the black economy or those doing nixers because of the changes in VAT. Many of them have to contend with paper work and VAT returns. They will no longer be able to stand the competition or pressures. The nonsense that the numbers employed in the industry will increase or that output will grow by 19 per cent is plain to be seen.

I have been associated with the building industry for 30 years and I have never seen such gloom or depression in the industry. Small contractors in the past managed to escape the depressions but they are now getting out of this industry. In my own town, many of them who were in the industry for almost 30 years, are now leaving it. The number of people they employ is small but the cumulative effect on unemployment in Ballina will be disastrous. They are no longer able to stand the anxieties, pressures or high interest rates which have been brought about by deliberate Government action in switching from foreign borrowing to the home market. Deputy McCreevy said that competition for money has driven up the rates. Small contractors are now joining larger firms who left the industry or were placed in receivership.

Deputy Molloy referred to the question of architects, engineers, quantity surveyors, civil engineers and technicians who leave the regional technical colleges in their thousands and for what? The dole queue or emigration ship. Many big firms have laid off staff, many small firms have packed it in or the principal is operating on his own. The numbers unemployed in the industry contradict the Minister's confident prediction for the future of the industry. Morale is very low and the construction industry has lost confidence. The industry went through two very bad years which saw a decline in output and employment. Instead of getting special consideration from the Government it was kicked in the teeth by a Government which refused to understand or care about the plight of the industry.

On the night of the budget the Taoiseach spoke about taxes, VAT reductions and additions as being in the Government's best judgment. In heaven's name how could a penal imposition on an industry in such poor condition be good judgement? It is typical of the action of the Government in many areas. We have a young population and a very high marriage rate. Many young couples save for two or three years to get a deposit for a house and apply for a mortgage. The average house will cost £750 more despite the extra grant in the budget. No matter who speaks tomorrow night, that is an irrefutable figure. It will make it harder for young couples to purchase a house and wipes out in the time it took the Minister to say it, a year's savings.

Debate adjourned.
The Dáil adjourned at 8.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 13 February 1985.
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