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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 3 Dec 1985

Vol. 362 No. 5

Private Members' Business. - Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies Control Order: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann, pursuant to the provisions of section 2 (6) of the Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies (Control) Act, 1978 (No. 17 of 1978), hereby confirms the Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies (Control) Act, 1978 (Section 2) Order, 1985 (S.I. No. 230 of 1985), made under section 2 (4) of that Act.

The purpose of the resolution is to confirm an order which the Minister has made under the Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies (Control) Act, 1978 relating to the financial criteria which apply to mergers, take-overs and monopolies for the purposes of that Act.

Under the 1978 Act, any proposed merger or take-over which meets certain financial criteria must be notified to me. These criteria, which are specified in section 2 (1) (a) of the Act, are, where the value of the gross assets of each of the two or more of the enterprises to be involved in the proposal is not less than £1,250,000 or where the turnover of each of those two or more enterprises is not less than £2,500,000. In addition to requiring notification, a proposed merger or take-over may be the subject of a reference to the Examiner of Restrictive Practices and, ultimately, may become subject to an order prohibiting it absolutely or conditionally. Different provisions apply to monopolies under the Act. These do not require notification but may be the subject of an inquiry by the Restrictive Practices Commission and, subsequently, may be prohibited or broken up by order. The provisions of the Act relating to monopolies apply where a single criterion is met, that is, where the annual sales or purchases of the monopoly of the goods or services concerned exceed £1,500,000.

The 1978 Act made special provision, in section 2 (4), for increasing, by order, the amounts specified in the financial criteria relating to mergers, take-overs and monopolies. Any such order also requires confirmation by both Houses within 21 sitting days after presentation. The present order, which is the first order providing for any increase in those amounts, was made by the Minister on 8 July 1985 and was laid before each House on 11 July 1985.

When the limits were fixed, by statute, in 1978, the intention was to exclude from the scope of mergers and monopolies control small to medium-sized enterprises. Those limits reflected that approach. With the passage of time, however, those limits were affecting a considerable number of enterprises in the small to medium-sized sector. One indication of the position may be obtained from the number of firms to which, by virtue of the limits, the provisions of the Mergers Act applied. At the time of enactment in 1978 it was estimated that the Act would have applied to about 200 firms in total. At present, it is certain that at least the 500 top firms in the country — and probably more — as listed some months ago in a business magazine, would, by virtue of those limits, be subject to the Act. Another effect of the lower limits was to cause an increase in the volume of administrative work involved in dealing with merger/takeover notifications. The number of formal proposals notified under the Act each year increased from 45 in 1978-79 to almost 80 in 1984.

In those circumstances it was, in my view, necessary and desirable that the limits fixed in the 1978 Act should be increased and I made the order accordingly. The new limits, as set out in the order, are £5 million and £10 million for gross assets and turnover respectively in merger/take-over cases and £6 million in the case of the sales or purchases of a monopoly. It is estimated that the new merger/take-over limits would apply to about 300 enterprises at present. The figure of £6 million in relation to monopolies is also a reasonable one. The new limits proposed in the order generally should ensure that the provisions of the 1978 Act apply only to the types of enterprises for which it was intended and therefore I commend the motion to the house accordingly.

As is the case with regard to so many things that this Government do, they have not really sought to get to the nub of the business at all. They have not moved far enough this time either in dealing with the thresholds as outlined in the 1978 Act. It took long enough to get that Act on the Statute Book in the first instance, seeing that it was considered by a Coalition Government in 1974 and had to be withdrawn some years later, never having completed its Committee Stage. It was then introduced in 1978. It is a pity that some of the matters indicated at that time in so far as thresholds were concerned could not have been taken on board even at this late stage. There should be no obstacle placed on desirable mergers which will help to maintain and expand employment in industry. That is what it is all about. We must not do things which are, or might be, restrictive in so far as ordinary development of employment in industry is concerned.

The situation is different from what it was in the early seventies in so far as this type of legislation is concerned. We must take into consideration that we are now a full member of the EC and this legislation was initially considered immediately after our accession to that body. There are different attitudes now towards the free movement of goods, of capital and of labour. The industry of this country is under quite severe competitive pressure from imports from foreign companies which have no base here. The Minister should have considered that when contemplating a movement in the thresholds in section 2. The numbers of cases referred to the Examiner, or to the Minister and subsequently to the Examiner of Restrictive Practices, have grown, but the delay factors have not been considered at all by the Minister. If amending the legislation, and that is in effect what the Minister has done, whether by order or by amendment in the House, the Minister might have considered bringing in a short Bill whereby the decision period would have been substantially reduced from that in the legislation to about three months from date of notification. He should have taken note of the position which applies in other jurisdictions, now that we are a fully fledged member of the EC. That is the market about which we are talking. That has not been reflected in the Minister's attitude and it is regretted that he did not do a more sizeable job, seeing that he tinkered with the legislation. He might have taken on board a practice that exists in Germany whereby after date of notification a decision on the application is available to the promoters inside one month. We shall not speculate on how long it might take in this country, but certainly it is disadvantageous to people seeking an early decision in so far as proposed mergers are concerned. I would have thought that the Minister might have gone that far.

On the question of monopoly, that monopoly is coming direct from foreign suppliers. There is no restriction whatsoever on the Irish market in so far as industries supplying into this market are concerned. Here we are talking in grandiose terms about restrictions on monopolies and mergers when we should be talking about the situation obtaining here at present, that if a foreign-based company, with no establishment base here, are introducing a product here there is no restriction at all on them whether they be supplying 1 per cent, 50 per cent or the whole of the market. The native company is not on a par at all with its counterpart in other EC states. One week we are here introducing legislation resulting from an EC directive and the next week we are imposing restrictions which are incompatible with the situation which obtains now in so far as our participation in the EC is concerned.

One might take the example of the supply of food into this country where upwards of £800 million of food is imported here. There was talk of that in Private Members' time. A considerable proportion of the sale of that food in the retail sector is controlled by a very small number of multinationals that are not Irish-owned, they are foreign-based. The three major ones between them have in excess of 55 per cent of the total retail sales of food here at present. One of the companies involved has a turnover in the United Kingdom of £3 billion. That company has a market share here of 10 per cent. But what is that in relation to its overall operation? If one were to apply mergers and monopolies legislation to that situation, these people would not be allowed to operate in this economy at all. We now have a situation in which 80 per cent of the food trade in our capital city is controlled by these three or four multinationals, the majority being foreign-based, foreign controlled, who do the vast majority of their purchasing outside this State. The Minister might have considered the pressure these multinationals are putting on our suppliers, native industries, who find themselves at the begging bowl when it comes to dealing in the share of market controlled by these multinationals. Yet the Minister seeks to put restrictions on the Irish company trying to survive here, introducing threshold increases that are laughable, to say the least.

The Minister referred to the number of applications notified to him and the increase therein over the past year or two. But there is no talk whatever about the number of applications notified to him and how many were reported on by the Examiner of Restrictive Practices. I should have thought the Minister might have taken the report of the Restrictive Practices Commission of last year and given us a treatise on how this legislation was actually operating in the national interest. Companies with 50 per cent of the Irish market in internationally traded goods can hardly be termed to be monopolies.

Irish industry manufactures less than 1 per cent of the total industrial output of the EC. And we are here talking about thresholds of £10 million turnover and £5 million assets when Irish industry has such a minimal share in the overall industrial market of the EC. Direct imports, accounting for 50 per cent of the Irish market, cannot be controlled. The Minister cannot persuade me that this legislation is effective in controlling foreign-based companies selling directly into this economy and supplying 80 per cent of the market in certain items. There is no control at all unless such companies have an establishment base here. They are not now doing so; why would they? This is restrictive control specifically on Irish industrial output and contrary to the spirit we thought would exist following our entry into the EC.

Much of the turnover of companies trading in Ireland includes trade outside the European Community as well as within it. Therefore, when the Minister talks about companies here with a turnover of something like £10 million, one must ask: how much of that £10 million is sold into the home market? A lot of that turnover will be sold in Third World or EC countries. Here there is a restriction being put on the home market base when we should be talking about the EC market and what percentage they would have of that market, if we are to talk of freedom of establishment and freedom of services rendering the whole system a European one. Here we are slavishly following criteria that apply in a restrictive way to Irish industry. Using the turnover yardstick is a very simplistic way of doing it, but it gives little indication of market power, particularly for multi-product undertakings. Using that yardstick it has no relevance at all. In view of the outturn taking place over the past few years, I should have thought we might have realised that, that we might have moved away from that base in ascertaining whether mergers and monopolies legislation should use as its base the question of turnover at all, particularly in the case of the multi-product undertakings.

The limits as now envisaged by the Minister are demonstrably too low. They were too low in 1978. That was pointed out then by interested parties, by concerned people in industry here. There was not an open mind on it at that time; but, seeing the outturn that has taken place, one might have expected a greater degree of entitlement as far as the thresholds were concerned. The Minister says there might be up to 500 firms affected by this resolution. I should like to think that there might very well be up to 1,000 companies that would come within the limits now specified by the Minister. The figures relate to small companies with less than 100 employees. The spirit of that 1974 drift-on-to-1978 legislation was never intended to be applied to the small and medium-sized industries.

The Minister had an opportunity to depart from that now, but he did not take it on board. He is still confining it to the small company. That is a burden that could easily have been lifted by the Minister in a generous way at this time. When the Minister talks of £10 million turnover, I would put it to him that a small supermarket in his own town would have a turnover per annum in excess of that figure. I made an inquiry today as to the turnover of a supermarket in my town and I learned that last year it was a staggering figure of £14 million — one shop in a town in the west. A turnover of £14 million represents a lot of loot. But it is an indication of the amount of money we are now talking about as against that in 1974 when these limits were devised, not in 1978. Taking modern capital flows, labour situations and so on into consideration I should have thought that a figure of £10 million would have been seen by the Minister at this time as too small. If we are talking about a dominant position in so far as companies that might be involved in mergers are concerned, then we should be talking about much larger amounts of money. If we are to consider manufactured products alone we should be concerned only with the creation of dominant positions on the Irish market in the provision of goods and services which are sheltered from international competition.

International competition constitutes the critical point. If the Minister says to me that companies with a turnover of £15 million, £20 million or £30 million were insulated against input from international industries, then I would say he has a point. There is no cover whatsoever against foreign-based industries selling directly into Ireland and putting Irish industries at a disadvantage. Arguably it is not a major disadvantage and will not affect that many industries but that is not what legislation should be about. It should be seeking to free Irish industry from restrictions, not place any further burden on it. It is restrictive to think of any company's share in the Irish market being brought into line by this type of legislation.

The Minister's approach is very narrow and does not take into account the reality of our being members of the EC market. It should be looked at in the global sense. There are German and French companies which are much larger than our biggest Irish concerns and it is against their products that Irish industry is competing both at home and abroad. They have no restriction in selling into this market or other markets since their legislation is much freer then ours. We are trying to compete against them while at the same time restricting companies from merging to provide better administrative arrangements to compete not just on the international market but also on the home market. Irish legislation cannot control direct sales by firms outside the State on the Irish market if the firm do not have an established base here. Certainly none of these large conglomerates will be setting up Irish-based companies following last week's introduction of legislation in relation to the Fourth Directive. That has made it final and forever that no multinational or major company will consider taking limited status liability. They will be coming here as subsidiaries of EC-based companies. They will be coming as branches and taking unlimited status and limited partnerships in the German sense. The whole range of options will be open to them. All this is by way of being good Europeans and doing everything requested and demanded by Europe. I have yet to see the quid pro quo in so far as the protection of Irish industry is concerned from that quarter.

The Deputy is moving away from the order.

I do not think so because the thresholds here apply in a restrictive way to the modern development of Irish industry, which is also being curtailed by legislation such as we considered last week, as well as by the type of legislation which is being considered regarding the freedom of establishment and the freedom of services. This is putting the insurance companies under enormous pressure and there are possibilities of substantial losses of job opportunities in that industry because of draft directives which are being taken on board without consideration of their impact on the Irish scene.

I can well understand the Minister's concern about monopolies but I would have preferred him to apply the principles in this order in the way Article 86 of the Treaty of Rome spells it out. It does not see thresholds of the kind the Minister envisages being applied in this legislation. I will paraphrase Article 86 for the benefit of the Minister. It states that it would be incompatible for one or more companies to exploit in an improper manner a dominant position within the Common Market. That is the point I am trying to put across. If we could escape from insular thinking and apply ourselves to the new situation of being full members of the EC we would not have that type of suggestion. I would much prefer this legislation to consist of arrangements which would prevent unfair purchase and selling prices throughout the Common Market. I should like to see the Minister more concerned about the issue of limitation of products to the prejudice of the consumer. I should also like to see more concern about unequal conditions in like transactions.

One merger application before the Minister was the subject of an in-depth inquiry. I understand from a reply by the Taoiseach last week that a report on this matter has been to hand since 25 October. It concerns the Committee of Inquiry into the Building Societies which resulted from the notification to the general public 31 July-1 August that it was considered that there might be a major merger between two of the largest building societies here. I take it that this is the legislation under which that merger is being considered, not that the threshold of £10 million turnover will mean anything to the Irish Permanent Building Society or the Educational Building Society. They are in a different league, since they control about 60 per cent of all mortgages and have a gross asset base of about £1.7 billion. The Minister has the report of the committee of inquiry but there is no way he will let me have a glance at it, not even in the silence of Leinster House or the Library. He is determined to keep it from the general public and I wonder why. There was a great flurry of announcements by the Taoiseach and Ministers that there was to be an in-depth inquiry and the Government of the day were prepared to take measures to achieve the desired results. The word is that the committee of inquiry reported that things were pretty well all right in the building societies. That was not the result the Minister wanted from Mr. Honohan and his cohorts and consequently the report will be left on the shelf gathering dust until the Minister has departed from office and some other more gentle-minded and more public-conscious Minister comes in and releases it to the general public.

What is the Minister hiding? If the Minister thinks they should not be merged, especially in the light of mergers taking place in the UK, why not say so? Perhaps the position is that if these building societies do not get the opportunity to do something by way of merger they may be overtaken by the advent here of a major British building society as soon as the draft directive on the freedom of services is in place. As soon as the necessary legislation to implement the directive is passed, some of the biggest British building societies will be setting up offices here. They will not be setting up an established base but will put in a computer terminal in some office under the new arrangements whereby you do not have to have an establishment here or leave your investment income in the country's economy. They will be soaking up the mortgages which are catered for by our building societies at present. The Minister should be doing something about that instead of introducing emergency legislation as he did on two occasions in the past few years. If there is something which the public should know concerning the building societies' proposed merger, then we should hear about it. We should be told what the inquiry had to say about competition and accountability, how they set their interest rates, how they elect directors and about the relationship of their solicitors doing conveyancing and the insurance companies which they mandate to write their cover.

We were told on 1 August in a flurry of major press releases that the general public by the end of September would be entertained to an in-depth examination of the current position in so far as the development of building societies as quasi-banks are concerned in the foreseeable future. However, silence has reigned supreme in the Minister's Department since. A little of the dust should be shaken off that report and it should be published either as a White Paper or put in the Library of the House so that the general public could get a glimpse of what was solemnly promised to them on 1 August in so far as that examination is concerned. Will the Minister utilise the powers of the mergers and monopolies legislation against them? I do not think the Minister is entitled to do that but this had led to a destabilisation of investors as to what they might expect following that report and other matters which the Taoiseach says will be before the Government at some future date. That is the kind of destabilising talk that the financial institutions here can well do without. Do the decent thing as far as that report is concerned, let the public see what it is all about before any legislation is contemplated regarding any of the recommendations contained in it.

I regret that the Minister could not find it in his heart to take the opportunity which was nicely afforded to him to do more than just amend section 2 of the 1978 Act by increasing the threshold to the miserly sums of £5 million assets and £10 million in turnover base. We had an opportunity to do something much more substantial and to take away one further restrictive practice which is encumbering industry at present.

This Bill deals with monopolies concerning the operation of companies operating here. Foreign companies operating here, especially in the food industry, have formed a cartel and are using outside law in order to set up here and take a major share of the market. When they squeeze out the small shopkeepers and retailers here what will the position be then? Many of these large companies offer a certain price to the suppliers and they can take it or leave it. They might offer £1 million for a container of tea or some other commodity which is damaging small businesses. This practice is very worrying because when these large firms secure a monopoly will they then call the tune and increase prices?

One company operating in Britain and other countries have 10 per cent of the food market in Dublin and are able to get around the law and use it to their advantage. An Irish owned company operating here is not in a position to do that. As I stated last week, the Government like to be regarded as being on the ball in relation to legislation controlling monopolies. However, compared to other countries we are very hesitant in relation to this legislation.

In regard to the proposed merger of the two largest building societies, when it was mooted that there would be talks the Government were very quick to move in to examine these companies. That was no harm, as depositors, mortgage holders and the people generally would be interested.

That is a separate matter.

It all comes within the ambit of——

I do not want to be too restrictive because I allowed Deputy Flynn a certain latitude. However, the only question here is whether ceilings of £5 million and £10 million respectively are too high or not high enough. It does not open up the whole field of mergers and the report on the building societies.

I do not wish to make things difficult. The thresholds are very low and should be much higher. I cannot understand why the Minister has not increased them. Perhaps there is a reason and, if so, I would be very glad to hear it. Under this merger, Irish based companies are greatly handicapped compared to their foreign competitors using their subsidiaries to come in here when it suits them. Many of these companies operating here are purchasing millions and millions of pounds worth of goods from outside this country and there is nothing we can do about it. There is one chain operating here who are totally foreign orientated in regard to the goods they supply.

In view of the remarks of the Chair I cannot deal with some of the matters in which the public are interested. What worries me is the type of merger that may take place from now on. The Companies Bill discussed in this House last week has worried many companies. It is my view that multinational companies operating here have a total monopoly over Irish companies. I am very worried with regard to cartels. There is a danger that a foreign company could force Irish firms out of business and thereafter other major multinationals from EC countries could move in. In time they would have a total monopoly of the Irish market and would be able to dictate prices and other policies. This danger must be considered by the Minister.

I have always had reservations about cartels, which I consider dangerous. Profit is the only criterion of multinationals and we cannot forget that these companies export their profits. That is a most worrying aspect. It is my opinion that the figures mentioned by the Minister should be increased substantially and I shall be grateful if he will consider that matter.

I should like to thank Deputy Flynn and Deputy Connolly for their contributions to this motion, although some of their remarks were aimed at wider legislation. The purpose of the motion is to remove a hardship and responsibility from the smaller businesses. The readjustment now proposed has been generous because it is in excess of inflation. Therefore, more small and medium-sized businesses will be excluded than was the case under the 1978 legislation. That is right and proper. Reference has been made to foreign companies operating here. The Act dealing with mergers applies to foreign companies in business here. The threshold figure is being increased to the point where it will be in excess of the inflation rate.

Most other countries have legislation to deal with the control of mergers and in some cases the period for giving a decision is longer than is the case here. In Great Britain it is six months. Deputies have spoken about the danger of monopolies. No one here wishes monopolies to become a threat or to impose hardship on consumers. The EC is a safeguard against such a threat because if one monster multinational attempts to set up here it will be followed very quickly by another company anxious to capture the market.

I accept that possibly this review should have taken place earlier. It is my intention to have a review within five years to ensure that the smaller Irish-based companies are protected. It is our duty to give every encouragement to Irish companies. My Department encourage mergers with Irish companies because we realise that to be successful an undertaking must be competitive. No matter how viable or competitive small companies may be it is a case of the survival of the fittest. For that reason we encourage mergers and all the aids of the IDA are readily available to help in this matter.

I thank the Deputies for the way they have co-operated in this debate. It is a simple motion aimed at removing hardship and responsibility from a larger number of small and medium-sized firms. I trust it will not take seven years for the next review. We must monitor the situation to ensure that every assistance is given to traders. The question of a merger of building societies was mentioned by Deputy Flynn. As of now no formal application has been made to my Department in respect of a merger in this area.

Will the Minister of State reconsider the matter of the threshold figure?

The representations made by Deputies are on the record. These matters will continue to be monitored by my Department. As I have said, the adjustment at this stage has been of more benefit than was the 1978 legislation. We have increased the threshold figure to a point beyond inflation.

Question put and agreed to.
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