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Thursday, 3 Jul 1986

Vol. 368 No. 10

Estimates, 1986. - Vote 3: Department of the Taoiseach (Revised Estimate) (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That a sum not exceeding £5,632,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of December, 1986, for the salaries and expenses of the Department of the Taoiseach and for payment of certain grants-in-aid.
—(The Taoiseach.)

Anyone looking for a measure of the economic performance of the Government need look no further than the publication this week of the Exchequer Returns for the first half of 1986. They make grim and appalling reading and underline the continuing pauperisation of the country by uncontrollable Government spending. They are the most forceful indictment of the Government's failure to rescue the economy from the pernicious recession which is sapping employment and the incentive to work or to invest in Ireland.

Six months after the collapse of world oil prices and long after the fall in the value of the dollar, and with the continuation of falling international interest rates, the economy still shows no sign of improvement and the imbalance of public finances appears to be worsening. As recently as May, inflation here was running at 4½ per cent annually, much higher than in most other European countries and most of the countries with which we trade. As a result, living standards here at best have been static and the retail sales index for the first quarter of the year continues the standstill of the previous nine months. Awaiting the consumer boom is now akin to listening for the first cuckoo and I expect the Minister for Finance to write to the newspapers when he finally sights it.

Meanwhile, Government finances are continuing to deteriorate as Government spending makes a mockery of budget targets. Already, more than three-quarters of the current budget estimate for this year has been spent and current dayto-day spending by the Government has risen in the first half of the year by 7 per cent in real terms, nearly twice the rate of inflation. With the excuse of rising interest rates and unfavourable exchange rates no longer available to the Government as a defence for not achieving greater progress with expenditure control, how can the Coalition explain the massive increase in spending that occurred in the first half of this year? What hopes are there of moving in the general direction of reducing the budget deficit without even more increases in the crippling level of taxation? All in all, it is a sad and a sorry mess.

The public should not imagine for a moment that a realistic alternative policy is available from the main Opposition party. Against the background of the ever worsening of public finances in the past six months, one of the most nauseating feature of events in this House in recent times has been the weekly demands by Fianna Fáil for millions and millions more to be poured into nearly every area of State activity. On top of their Ard Fheis promises of more than £800 million extra in State expenditure, we have witnessed a power lust fuelled by the irresponsible notion that, if you continue to throw borrowed millions at the nation's problems, they will somehow go away.

Let the public be warned about such a cynically irresponsible alternative. Let us all remember that since 1980 successive Irish Governments have borrowed £16 billion. Yet in the same period, unemployment has risen from 91,000 to 232,000. The policies of high public spending, high taxation, high debt and appallingly high unemployment simply have not worked and must be reversed.

All the longer established political parties have pursued these policies of high expenditure and high tax in the belief that such policies would yield additional employment for those out of work and higher living standards for those in work. In reality, the growth in public spending and taxation has been accompanied not only by rising public service debt but by rising unemployment. Keynesian type demand augmenting policies simply cannot work in small open economies because the initial impetus is lost through the balance of payments while the excess demand generated by Government overspending crowds out the productive private sector through losses in competitiveness and high interest rates. Present policies, therefore, have failed to deliver.

The Progressive Democrats are offering a wholly different approach based on releasing the creative and productive potential that has been suppressed in the Irish economy through a combination of high taxes, excessive bureaucracy and the crowding out of the private sector. The established political parties have concentrated almost exclusively on pumping up the level of domestic demand, on Keynesian type demand management policies, but the Progressive Democrats are looking to the supply side, seeking to bring dormant factors of production out of retirement to produce output and to add value. Lower income tax encourages potential workers to participate in the orthodox economy, to work overtime and to accept promotion. Lower taxes on capital invested in industry attract cash into productive employment and away from sterile speculation, reducing the size of the State's crowding out the private sector and giving the latter more room in which to flourish.

The Progressive Democrats favour improving the Irish market mechanism by eliminating barriers on the supply side, whereas the long established political parties continue to concentrate on an outmoded demand oriented approach to the economy.

The dreadful social and economic problems which result from this approach will not be solved either by the ideological irreconcilables who sit on the Coalition benches or the Santa Claus politicians in Opposition who believe that a country dangerously addicted to excessive public spending can be cured by one more lethal fix of foreign borrowing. The ability to curb excessive public spending has not been achieved because, it seems to me, the Government have been overcome by some sort of paralysis which suggests to them that, even though they recognise in a vague way that the position is very serious, there is simply nothing that can be done about it.

While short term flexibility may be limited in certain areas, for example, in debt servicing, this does not mean that spending is not discretionary for a government. Even in the case of debt servicing, lower levels of borrowing by the State to finance lower levels of public spending automatically take the pressure off domestic money markets which, in turn, lowers domestic interest rates which, in turn, reduces the cost of debt service on domestic borrowings.

The most significant breakthrough in this area would be the introduction of zero based budgeting in annual departmental Estimate consideration. At present, departmental budgets are indexed up on the level negotiated for the previous year. Departments should be made to justify their annual expenditure plans, not by reference to what happened last year, but from a zero base. Nothing should be taken for granted. Making departmental spending plans explicit in this way will provide great scope for discretionary cuts. The real problem is that public spending operates with a ratchet effect; it goes up but it cannot come down. An excellent example is provided in the present year when the downward revision of the inflation rate for the year as a whole from 4½ per cent of 2½ per cent to 3 per cent produced a response from the public service and, accordingly, from the Government that the consequent savings on £7,000 million of current public spending will be approximately £10 million.

The problems of this economy will only be solved by renewing economic growth. In order to do that, positive policy changes need to be made. The most recent performance, as reflected in the Exchequer returns, starkly underlines the fact that an improved external environment alone is not sufficient to revive economic activity here. That will require more than anything else the establishment of incentives to workers and producers and the rolling back of much of the bureaucratic red tape and regulations which have strangled the vitality of Irish enterprise. The first step in that direction must be a radical simplification of the income tax structure to remove the diabolical situation where the return from work spent on tax avoidance is greater than the return from additional productive work.

That is why the radical proposals of the Progressive Democrats to reduce income tax over four years to a standard rate of 25 per cent and to abolish PRSI, which is a pernicious surtax of nearly 20 per cent on work in an economy with record unemployment, have captured so much popular acclaim. It is interesting to notice that in the United States over the past month a set of taxation proposals, not unlike that which I enunciated some months ago, has been passed by the Senate and passed in a somewhat different form by the House of Representatives. At present, legislative work is being undertaken in the Congress to try to amend both Bills to bring them together so that they can be expressed in one Bill which would be common to and passed by both Houses.

It is interesting to find that, even in the United States, it was thought essential by an overwhelming majority of the members of both Houses of Congress to simplify the tax structure, to lower the tax rates dramatically and to do away with many of what are called the deductibles which are a traditional part of the taxation regime. The proposal which has now being agreed to by a substantial majority in the Senate is to have two rates of income tax, one at 15 per cent and the other at 27 per cent. We should all look with some interest on what is happening in the United States and what the developments will continue to be. Perhaps the most successful economy in the world feels it necessary to change in that direction. I ask this House: why should one of the least successful economies in the world, which we represent, not do something along those lines? Why should we condemn ourselves, as we do for all time, apparently, to a belief that we must retain the crippling system we have at present?

The Progressive Democrats are the only party with a realistic programme to tackle the present debilitating economic malaise and the dreadful social problems which flow from it. The barrenness of positive proposals from either the Coalition or Fianna Fáil was starkly revealed in the panicky, ill-considered and blundering response from them to our radical taxation and economic proposals as enunciated at our first national conference in May. Are we to take it that none of the political parties other than the Progressive Democrats sees that drastically reducing the burden of taxation is an essential step to rescue our society from the abyss of economic despair? In turn, this is the key to tackling the rampant black economy and getting rid of a 20 per cent surtax on employment at a time of such scandalous high unemployment.

The Progressive Democrats are offering the Irish people the only practical alternative to our present dire economic problems. It is a workable alternative, provided that the country and political parties have the political will to implement it. Let me make it clear that our alternative is no magic formula. It is not full of pleasant problem-free solutions. It will involve getting rid of many of our present tax breaks and deductibles. It will involve significant reductions in overall public expenditure and a merciless onslaught on the black economy and the tax avoidance industry which is so totally demoralising to the PAYE sector. We in the Progressive Democrats are committed to a simplified taxation system, easy to administer, easy to police and to comply with; a taxation system which is fair and not penal on the compliant; a rolling back of the State apparatus to a level consistent with the country's ability to pay for it from its own and not from borrowed resources, a drastic revision of the universality of much of our welfare services and their concentration on the needy in our society. We are committed to raising the efficiency of the public service through contracting out some appropriate activities to the private sector by establishing a competitive environment in the State enterprise sector and by undertaking only those capital projects which are productive or infrastructural.

I want to say a few brief words on the situation which exists in Údarás na Gaeltachta. I was no admirer of Údarás na Gaeltachta's predecessor. I was often very critical of them. Because of the change which has been wrought in recent years within Údarás, it is right that something should be said in their support and in an effort to assist them in their present difficulties. In view of the urgent need to create employment, it is extraordinary that the Government should choose to stifle the successful work of Údarás na Gaeltachta by deliberately withholding grant payments from projects which have already been formally approved. At a time when the IDA, through no fault of their own, are recording few successes in new industrial developments, it is heartening to see the Údarás succeed in attracting projects to the remoter areas where they have responsibility.

I understand that up to £2 million in grants due for payment in 1985 have not yet issued and that projects involving 875 permanent jobs requiring grant payment of £9 million have been approved since 1 January this year but cannot be paid because the grant money is withheld by the Government. This is a serious action on the part of the Government and will affect our credibility as a nation. What is the point of a new National Development Corporation if we already have viable projects for which the Government are refusing to pay grant aid? It is interesting that when savings have to take place because of financial constraints it is payment to companies such as this or to others in the productive sector which is withheld. I can think of vast areas of State expenditure where it would not be remotely contemplated that those due certain sums would not get them. It is always outside the public sector that such payments are traditionally withheld.

Last Monday our national newspapers carried an interesting contrast between efficiency on the one hand and ideology on the other hand. Guinness Peat Aviation announced the purchase of 181 Boeing aircraft. On the very same day a number of trade unions objected strongly to a study by a Dublin firm of economic consultants on the replacement of the Aer Lingus fleet. The trade unions sought assurances from Labour Ministers in the Government that the study of the fleet replacement programme would not lead to any private financing of the airline. This kind of pressure has been exercised in the past and if successful it would lead to the financing of the fleet replacement programme, estimated in the Green Paper on Transport to cost £700 million, being borne in its entirety by the taxpayer.

As the leader of a party committed strongly to lower expenditure and therefore to lower taxes, I support the initiative of the Minister for Communications in commissioning the study. The leasing option should certainly be considered, given its popularity with airlines worldwide. The option of financing the fleet replacement, in part at least, by counter trading should also be fully considered since it is used successfully by many countries but unhappily not used at all in this country. The private sector finance option should equally be considered because the expertise of the lending institutions would be brought to bear on the programme and its cost effectiveness would be appraised.

In this regard we should remember that the private airline Ryanair has recently halved the Dublin-London air fare with a capital employed of £2 million, or less than one-third of 1 per cent of the £700 million which the Aer Lingus fleet replacement is estimated by the Government to cost. The possibility that people who get free capital will use it less economically than those who have to pay for their capital should be part of this proposed study.

For most of the last two years I was the only Deputy in Dáil Éireann to oppose the Air Transport Bill and to make the case that market forces should, within limits, be allowed to begin to operate in aviation into and out of this country. I have been happy to make a few converts, including the Minister for Communications. The success of the Ryanair service to London and the imminence of further competition in Europe generally because of the work of the Commissioner for Competition Policy, Mr. Peter Sutherland, are further signals of the way ahead. In this new environment old attitudes and operations must go. This includes the traditional way of financing airline fleets. This aviation development coincides with a popular preference for lower taxes. In order to reduce taxes, Governments must look at functions which they will have to shed. Good aviation and good public finance in this case coincide. Ideology must not be allowed to determine the vitally important fleet replacement programme.

I was interested in the Taoiseach's reference this morning to his suggestions to the meeting of EC Heads of Government that the Commission should now introduce proposals on the subject of market access which would offer possibilities for all Community airlines to operate new services. He said this should be considered at the same time as the Commission's proposals to liberalise air fares and capacity sharing arrangements. Whether the Taoiseach realises it or not, this Aer Lingus suggestion that they have totally changed their attitude of recent years and that they are now in favour of the liberalisation of air transport — since, as I forecast, it has come upon them anyway — is rather illusory. In suggesting that there should be total market access and full fifth freedom rights throughout Europe, Aer Lingus and the Government are fairly safe because they know perfectly well that it will never be taken up and is quite unrealistic.

We should not be seeking something which is impossible and unattainable, using the opportunity to get into a sulk when it is not attained, but rather we should be encouraging access to routes over which we do have control and allowing competition to be gradually introduced there. What has happened on the Dublin-London route in only six weeks has been quite spectacular and I do not think Irish aviation will ever be the same again as a result. The tourism, industrial and commercial sectors of our economy will benefit enormously. What is now happening is the direct opposite of the policy contained in the air transport legislation which was passed some months ago and is now entirely redundant.

Of the many things that are happening in this country, the most significant one can see each day is the queue of young Irish citizens outside the American Embassy. Those people are voting with their feet just as assuredly as those of us who go through the lobbies of this Chamber. The vote that is taking place outside the American Embassy every day they are open is the most significant vote of all. Those people are voting to leave an economy that is not allowed to work and to move into an economy that is encouraged to work and that works. My final appeal to this House is for us to get down to the basics that are necessary to allow this economy to work. We must stop tying ourselves in knots. We must stop paralysing ourselves by persuading ourselves we can never get out of our difficulties.

This debate is primarily an opportunity to comment about the economy, although not exclusively. I should like to talk about some of the matters Deputy O'Malley mentioned but I think we have a slightly different perspective, although not very different, on some of those events.

I do not assert nor do I believe that this economy is really on the move and, to that extent, I am as concerned as he is to ensure that it begins to roll sooner rather than later. Until it does we will not solve the greatest political, economic and social issue that confronts us, namely, the unemployment problem. Nevertheless there has to be a lead-in time. We have been through a very difficult recession. We had and still have a great fiscal difficulties but there is a favourable set of indicators which should ensure that the only question is not whether the economy will recover but when it will recover. Incidentally, I do not claim that all the favourable indicators are the result of Government action but rather are due to international affairs, although I accept that some of the indicators are due to what the Government have done.

First, the inflation rate will be of the order of 3 per cent this year and we have not had such an inflation rate since 1966, a long time ago. It is churlish to keep saying that if we have an inflation rate of 3 per cent Germany probably has a rate of 1½ per cent and, therefore, we are twice as bad. However, we have to consider what has happened with regard to inflation in the past five years and by any standards what has happened here represents dramatic progress. Of course, we must keep on with the job. We must do better and we must get in line with our main competitor trading nations.

There has been a dramatic improvement with regard to our balance of payments. This year it is expected to be of the order of 1-2 per cent of our GNP. That must be contrasted with the rate of 15 per cent in 1981. Interest rates are falling, although not quickly enough. I accept that the Government are only one factor in this but all their resources and thought should be concentrated on taking the necessary measures to push down those rates. That is a necessary prerequisite to get the private sector to have the confidence to borrow more to invest and to create jobs. At the moment the difference between bank interest rates and inflation is not acceptable. The drop in the mortgage rate has been of benefit to many families. In 1982 the mortgage rate was 16.25 per cent and today it is around 10 per cent. I hope that within days or weeks it will be under that figure and that has not happened for 13 years.

There has been a drop in oil prices and in the dollar and obviously they are part of the reason for some of these developments. That presents us with opportunities. In making selective cuts in VAT, the Government have provided a stimulus to tourism and other service industries and there should be an improvement in job creation and a growth and expansion in those industries. Real growth in the economy in 1986 is expected to be about 2½ per cent, the highest real growth rate since 1980.

I mention all these things because their net effect will provide for the first time an increase in the spending power of people. In this connection I am talking about people in work: I shall talk about people who are out of work later. Because of all the factors I have mentioned, people will have more money in their pockets and this will give a powerful stimulus to the domestic economy, and not before time. I hope all these factors will ensure the commencement of a pattern of growth that will begin to impact on the serious social problem of unemployment. That will start to happen in the latter half of this year, although I accept it will be a long haul.

There are four problems facing us in the economic area: first, there is unemployment; secondly, taxation; thirdly, public expenditure and, fourthly, borrowing and debt. The one ingredient all of those have in common is that they are too high. It goes without saying that unemployment is too high and taxation also is undoubtedly too high. In consequence, public expenditure is too high in relation to our ability to pay for it, although I accept it is not too high in other respects and, finally, borrowing and the cost of borrowing are too high. This week the current budget deficit figures were disappointing. While there will be an improvement as a result of the increased stimulus to the economy, public finances and the current budget deficit continue to be intractable and difficult problems that must be solved.

One of the theories widely expressed in this country is that you either get public finances in order or you create growth in employment and that the two are mutually exclusive. I am happy to note that view is not accepted everywhere else. Getting the public finances under control and having a growth in employment are not mutually exclusive positions in another small European country, Denmark. In that country unemployment has fallen by 18 per cent in the past 12 months, at a time when the Government there were facing and tackling problems in the public finances, problems that were very similar to our own. We should not get bogged down in the argument of either going for growth and jobs or, alternatively, trying to solve the financial problems of the country. In my opinion that is not a tenable position and is a fruitless and time wasting argument.

It is true that if our financial position were better and if we could afford to borrow more, in certain circumstances that would help job creation, but borrowing can also contribute to job losses. That may seem a strange comment, but I would like to explain why. One of the biggest problems facing the private sector is the question of interest rates. Interest rates are affected dramatically by the level of domestic borrowing by the Government. If the Government were to borrow several hundred million pounds on the Dublin money market tomorrow to invest in job creation, interest rates would soar and that would have a more serious affect on job creation and growth than any good those several hundred million pounds might do in the short term. If the Government were to consider further foreign borrowing there is the currency risk to be taken into account and finding the taxes to pay for it.

We should begin to realise that we must deal with both matters together. This Government have been trying to do that but they need to do it with greater urgency, skill and belief. If another small country similar in many respects to ourselves, in a huge market, with powerful neighbours, can reduce unemployment by 18 per cent and at the same time bring its finances under control, I believe there is a message of hope there. I do not believe we have to look outside this country for all the solutions, but it would be foolish not to recognise that other countries have faced similar problems and had the will and ability to deal with them. We must do the same.

I want to stress that I do not believe the Government can ever be, or ever have been, the primary or main creator of jobs. The public sector has a very important role to play, but the main job of the Government, as I see it, is to create the climate for the expansion of the economy, mainly by the private sector, by people taking risks, investing their money to make profit, to expand their businesses and to create jobs. This Government, and the Minister for Finance, Deputy Bruton, in particular, have been addressing themselves to matters within limited fiscal constraints and they have been trying to create that climate in the private sector.

Employment and economic growth are synonymous. Economic growth in itself will not solve the crushing level of unemployment which we have, but without economic growth of a very high order the prospects of making any dent on the figures are gloomy. We need to address ourselves to what we should be doing to stimulate economic growth. Manufacturing industry is the hub around which economic growth can develop because service industries spin off manufacturing industry and it can then snowball.

This means we must first talk about manufacturing industries. There are three sectors involved. First, there is foreign industry which in the sixties and seventies was the primary engine of growth in our economy and was a huge success. It changed the face of Ireland from a rural lower income economy to an industrial country with all the aspirations which that leads people to have, some of which have been satisfied but others have not. This success should not be downgraded or denigrated for some idiotic ideological reasons which I hear in my city and elsewhere when people speak about foreign multinationals. Those companies were the backbone of our industrial growth in the sixties and seventies, and they continue to play a significant role in the future of our economy. I want it to go out loud and clear from this House that these companies are welcome here and I support the efforts of the IDA to convince international companies against enormous competition that they are welcome in this country, that this is a country where they will find a spirit of enterprise, a fine, young, well trained labour force who want to work and that they can make a profit here. We need more of these companies.

Second, there are the indigenous larger industries which need careful stimulation. The Government's industrial policy has given some attention to identifying the prime larger indigenous industries which could be targeted for expansion, marketing growth and so on. Flagships like Waterford Glass and companies of that size and eminence still have enormous potential for growth and development. Third, the new concept of growth and the creation of a large number of jobs rests very heavily on the development of small businesses. In the United States and elsewhere it has been shown that the largest growth in job creation has come from that sector. This Government, and the Minister, Deputy Bruton, in particular, have been extremely active in attempting to create a climate for enterprise, the development of risk taking and the establishment of small businesses with a view to creating good sound businesses and providing good employment, but there are problems.

We are not traditionally an industrial country. Our industrial growth has been artificially stimulated by the State but very often people's attitudes have not kept pace with that. I do not believe we always have the right attitude to enterprise or that we have a welcoming attitude for a person who is successful, who is motivated by the need to get on and make a profit, but there is a certain stigma on failure here. We have to get over these attitudes because they are impeding progress.

Let me give an example of what I mean. In a number of the States in America which have been successful in creating new jobs through small businesses, for every three new small businesses created, two others went broke. Nobody spoke about the companies which went broke; they spoke about the successes. Many of those new companies were formed by people who had experienced business failure and learned from it. There is no stigma on failure in the United States, but there is here. In Ireland there is too much emphasis on one's child becoming a civil servant, a banker or whatever. People are discouraged from getting into business because, perhaps, an uncle went broke and the same might happen to the nephew. Then the family would be ruined, not financially, but there would be the shame of somebody in the family whose business went bust. We need to change our attitude to failure and success. We should welcome success, and we should be tolerant of failure and encourage people to try again. Many of them will have learned a lesson which they can usefully apply to successful endeavour and successful businesses.

Another not so small issue in that area is the tragedy of so many young people leaving school too soon. Very often they are seriously misled, perhaps by parents —hardly by teachers. There is a cliché about the poverty trap and, unfortunately, a feature of parents who themselves were not given the opportunity of a better education is that sometimes they do not realise the importance of that for their children. I can think of nothing worse than a 15 year old, reasonably intelligent schoolgirl or schoolboy leaving school on the basis of picking up a temporary job rather than remaining there and getting the kind of education without which jobs in future will be difficult if not impossible to get. We should have a much more positive policy of convincing parents, the whole education system and people in school that it is imperative as a minimum to complete second level education in order to qualify for the best opportunity of employment.

Deputy O'Malley spoke about the taxation proposals of the Progressive Democrats Party. It would be true to say that nobody in this House on any side would not be delighted to offer to our people the prospect of a 25 per cent tax rate. However, I was disappointed — and I have a high opinion of Deputy O'Malley, as he knows — that he dodged the issue of how to produce the reduction in public expenditure necessary to do what he was talking about. That has been a failure of politicians in this country certainly for a decade. I know that he mentioned zero budgeting, which certainly would be helpful. But if anyone thinks that changing the system of budgeting will produce the £800 million which I understand his tax proposals would require — by reductions in public expenditure or some of it could be taken up in growth — let me say that it is not credible for somebody of his eminence and experience to continue to talk about this magical income tax formula without addressing the simple question of how to deal with public expenditure in the light of that proposal.

I would like to refer to a very interesting speech by Tomás Ó Cofaigh of the Central Bank last Monday in which he addressed this issue. He said that nowhere is there to be detected a willingness to say that the necessary reductions in public expenditure should start and where they should start. He said that, if rhetoric could solve the problems of public spending, balance would have been restored to the public finances by now. Therefore, proposals being made for a serious reduction in tax, which everyone would like, must be accompanied by a total package of how it is possible. It is significant that the Fianna Fáil Party have not made proposals of that kind, although I am sure they will make some attractive proposals between now and the next election. I hope that they will resist the temptation — as I hope our party will — to respond to a reduction in a tax juggling match between the parties, whatever about the Labour Party. We cannot and should not confront the people with that kind of expectation without telling them the other side of the coin. They might accept the other side of the coin of significant reductions in tax, but it is not credible to make that proposal without accompanying it by a reasonable list of options about public expenditure.

Having spoken about the national economy, I would like to say a few things about the economy of the Cork region and to refer to a few specifics which are very important for the upturn which I hope we will see nationally shortly and which I hope to see as soon or sooner in the Cork context. There are a few fundamental things about the Cork region which are not always understood in Dublin. One is that the absolute lifeline for the region rotates around better communications links. We have a good train service and I have nothing to say about that except that it is satisfactory. We have a fine airport which now requires an extension to the runway in order to open up options for tourism and for larger charter flights and to extend the whole range of options for business people to travel on larger planes to a wider sector of areas in Europe and elsewhere. Therefore, we need an early commitment from the Government to that. I know that public expenditure problems arise, but in sorting out priorities in expenditure next year in the Estimates that presumably will be tackled in the autumn the extension of the runway in Cork is an important infrastructural investment for the Cork area that needs to be done.

The same is true of the ferry. The GB sign on motor cars in west Cork, and I presume in Kerry, which used to cause a traffic jam ten years ago is now notable for its absence. That is not all due to the ferry by any means, but there is no doubt that that is a significant factor. For example, if you were living in Birmingham and had the prospects of driving from there to Pembroke, taking a short ferry run to Rosslare and driving out to Dingle, and repeating the exercise on the way back, I think you would not do it. I would not do it. There must be a great many Irish — and English — people in England who would like to come to the beauty spots of west Cork and Kerry and want to bring their car but feel that it is simply not worth the effort. That is damaging to the region. The efforts being made by the private sector on this and the other side of the water to provide a ferry for 1987 will undoubtedly require some stimulus, some start up assistance from the Government. I do not subscribe to the notion that it should be subsidised permamently. Probably that is not on, certainly in the present climate, but it will need a stimulus in the early years and should get it.

I would like to say something about Verolme Cork Dockyard. As I understand it there are two serious bidders for this dockyard who have put their money where their mouth is and at the request of some arm of Government are providing proposed business plans so that selection can be made for a purchaser for that dockyard. I urge all those involved in that — a receiver and the Department of Industry and Commerce in some way are involved — to get together quickly to announce this. I understand that the repair season for ships generally starts in the autumn. We in Cork — and, I hope and believe, the Government — want to see an early start to that activity.

The IDA have served Cork well, but Pádraic White, manager of the IDA, made a very significant statement about a year ago. He may have qualified it slightly, but he said that he would undertake to announce one major new industry for Ringaskiddy during this decade. I remind him that we are half way through 1986 and we have not heard that announcement. Everything in Ringaskiddy now must be conducive to the creation of industry, and the world economy is improving. I hope that the IDA can get a major industry for Cork and announce it this year because we need it badly.

Lastly, a new spirit is born in Cork. There is new industry. Young people are developing small businesses. You need not take my word for that. I was informed about it recently by Professor Wrigley who runs the MBA course at UCC. He tells me that he detects a new spirit in Cork.

Debate adjourned.
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