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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 11 Nov 1986

Vol. 369 No. 8

Adjournment Debate. - County Dublin Garda Stations.

I want to make a number of matters clear. I realise the time of the House is precious and some sophisticates might suggest that this is not the type of assembly in which to raise the state of the Garda stations in Dún Laoghaire. Nevertheless, I believe the welfare of the gardaí in Dún Laoghaire is very important and I do not apologise to the House for raising the conditions of some of the Garda stations in the Dún Laoghaire district here this evening.

Saturday week last after my constituency clinic I took a tour of a number of Garda stations in the company of a number of Garda officers who, quite legitimately, lobbied me and other Deputies in the constituency for recognition of their plight, the conditions under which they have to work and the difficulties under which their subordinates, the ordinary gardaí, have to work every day. I visited three Garda stations, and I have a knowledge of the other Garda stations in the constituency having represented the area for a long time and having a very close association with the Garda Síochána in the district. I visited Kill-o'-the Grange Garda station, Cabinteely Garda station and Shankill Garda station. I know the Blackrock Garda station very well because it is almost at the back of my garden wall and I have a close association with the gardaí there.

The gardaí in the Dún Laoghaire area are performing their task admirably and very well but they should be supported by the provision of proper Garda stations. It is not my intention to be negative about the problem but rather to bring to the attention of the House the conditions under which these gardaí work. Having outlined those conditions, may I call on the Government to do something about the problem as a matter of urgency? Today the Leader of the Opposition, Deputy Haughey, and Deputy Gregory raised the question of security in the city of Dublin in the context of certain explosions in the city on Saturday last. My raising this issue can also be seen in the context of the security of the community. Given the appalling conditions of the Garda stations which I am about to outline, the House will appreciate that we can be grateful to the gardaí for doing their jobs when we take into account the conditions under which they operate. I am not given to exaggeration ordinarily and my description of one of the garda stations in particular will leave one breathless. I am sure the four Coalition Deputies in the constituency will join with me in inviting the Minister to visit all or even one of the Garda stations I am about to deal with. I would be very pleased to welcome her and/or the Minister for Justice.

One reads exposés of working conditions in the media, but I believe the forces of law and security in certain Garda stations in the constituency of Dún Laoghaire are working in sweat factories, more common to Victorian times than the end of the 20th century. I know a site has been proposed for Corbawn Lane, Shankill, for the past 25 years and I propose that a substation be located in the Ballybrack area, or even a full new Garda station taking account of the triangle from Shankill to Cabinteely to Dalkey. This area is empty of a permanent Garda presence by virtue of the lack of a substation or a Garda station proper. I am calling on the Minister to examine my proposal for a sub-Garda station as a minimum for the Ballybrack area. I want to remind the Minister that Corbawn Lane in Shankill has been nominated for a new Garda station for the past 25 years. This is symptomatic of the way successive Governments have treated the plight of the gardaí in terms of accommodation in the Dún Laoghaire area over many years.

The Dublin metropolitan area covers the city and county of Dublin, and Dún Laoghaire covers the south-east division, with headquarters in Dún Laoghaire proper. The F District takes in Dún Laoghaire, Dalkey, Kill-o'-the-Grange and Cabinteely. The W district takes in Blackrock, Dundrum and Stepaside. The N district takes in Bray, Enniskerry and Shankill. What I am suggesting — and this may not be relevant to the Minister of State at the Department of Finance but perhaps she would communicate it to the Minister for Justice — is that there might be one detention centre for each division and one detention centre located in the Dún Laoghaire division rather than having the pathetic custodial and cell conditions which are available in the Garda stations at present.

I will return now to my tour of the constituency. As I said, I understand other Deputies in the constituency were invited to visit these stations. This is not a political issue, but rather a community matter. I want to stress that. The gardaí were very careful to stress the need to invite Deputies of all political parties to visit the Garda stations and examine the conditions under which they work.

Kill-o'-the-Grange Garda station is located at an extremely dangerous part of the public thoroughfare. To get in and out of that station one literally takes one's life in one's hands. This applies particularly to the gardaí who work there every day. Conditions are deplorable. They are the worst I have ever seen. We must recognise that the gardaí are entitled to accommodation which is as good as we can provide, but the conditions in that station are a disgrace to successive Governments and to those responsible for the leadership in the community, namely, Deputies.

We should be ashamed of ourselves that we have let these conditions exist for so many years. They are slum conditions, no more and no less. It is grotesque that the gardaí should be required to work in such conditions. One goes to what can only be described as a front counter to engage in conversation with a garda or if one wishes to make a complaint, but if one looks behind the counter as an ordinary citizen concerned about the gardaí, one would feel very ashamed. The heating conditions are deplorable and one has to go through a back yard to arrive at a cell. Not only are the gardaí entitled to proper conditions but people brought into custody are entitled to decent conditions. One is not guilty until proven guilty so having regard to that principle of law people in custody are entitled to decent conditions. The cell in Kill-o'-the-Grange Garda station is disgusting. There is a mattress on the floor held inches from the ground by a sort of frame. The toilet facilities are foul. The cell, even at this time of the year is unheated and is what one would expect, in atmospheric terms, a cell in Siberia, to be rather than what one would expect in a modern Dublin housing estate. In order to get to the cell people brought into custody have to walk through the kitchen where there will be gardaí eating their meals. As a matter of urgency the Minister should do something about this Garda station which is probably the worst Garda station in Dún Laoghaire if not in the whole Dublin metropolitan area. The conditions in that station are revolting. One hears about the right of the citizen during custody to confidentiality but there is no question of holding a confidential conversation in the conditions in this station.

In Cabinteely Garda station there has been installed what would be wonderfully effective modern equipment but it is inoperative. To operate this equipment the gardaí must put out the fire in the corner because this direct heat prevents the machine from operating properly. Central heating has been approved for Cabinteely Garda station since 1976 but it is not yet installed. The interview room is on the road front and there are no bars on the window to prevent people jumping out. Happily the interview room is on the ground floor so there is no question of a person doing himself an injury by jumping out of the window, but the prospect is there. There is no ladies toilet facility in the Cabinteely Garda station. I understand that there has been an embargo on the purchase of lockers, desks, chairs and such furniture. My information is that there are many pieces of furniture available within the Department of Finance which they will not release for a reason better known to themselves than to the Garda. The shower does not work, water flows out into the yard, there are no stationery storage facilities and in the detective unit room the exhibits are strewn over the floor because there is no place to store or stack them. There has not been a clerk permanently appointed to Cabinteely since April 1979. There are over 30 gardaí at that station as is the case also at Kill-o'-the-Grange.

Deputy Andrews has five minutes left.

Cabinteely station has very sophisticated console communications equipment. It is extraordinary to bring in that sort of modern equipment without first modernising the station so that it can be made operative. Conditions in Cabinteely are deplorable.

Shankill Garda station has no interview room for prisoners and there are no parking facilities there at all. The station is located on an extremely dangerous part of the Dublin-Shankill-Bray road and parking facilities are needed. The cell in this station is against an adjoining house and an unruly prisoner invariably keeps the occupant of the house next to the station awake by banging on the cell wall during the night. That is a poor show. There is also a stairway to the first floor and it is so steep and dangerous that to mount it is rather like climbing Mount Everest. The detective unit is on the first floor and to bring people up and down that stairs is a test of one's endurance and nerve.

I would ask the Minister to take a serious note of the conditions I have outlined. I realise he is new to the job but newness, I hope would presume idealism and a wish to improve. No doubt the Minister has all these qualities in abundance. I would ask him to consider visiting these areas.

Blackrock Garda station is also located in a very dangerous part of the township and conditions for confidentiality do not exist there, either. Detectives and uniformed members of the Garda work there in primitive conditions. How they do so is a mystery to me. Yet they perform their duties admirably. I pay tribute to the gardaí in the Dún Laoghaire area. They have been working in bad conditions for years. I am not attaching blame to any one Government but I am attaching global blame to succesive Governments for their failure to do something about the travesty of working conditions for gardaí.

If the ITGWU were looking after the Garda they would simply down tools but the gardaí, because of their public spiritedness, refuse to strike in the interests of the local community. That is as it should be and I encourage them to take that line and to continue the high spirit of public service which has always been part of their make-up. One would not ask the ordinary factory worker to operate in the conditions under which the gardaí in Dún Laoghaire are asked to operate.

I would not say that the Minister would look forward to the prospect of visiting the Garda stations to which I referred because they are in a deplorable condition but if she comes she will be welcome and treated with courtesy and civility as is the entitlement of her office.

I commend the Deputy for a very reasonably put case in relation to the six Garda stations in Dún Laoghaire and the various problems and difficulties experienced in them. He is probably aware that I am very familiar with the Dún Laoghaire constituency and some of the Garda stations he mentioned are also familiar to me. I join with him in his commendation of the Garda and the Trojan work they have done on our behalf, not just in Dún Laoghaire but throughout the country, often under difficult conditions mainly brought about by overcrowding rather than a lack of proper building facilities, although that applies in some cases. We must remind ourselves occasionally what a debt we owe to the Garda Síochána who, generally uncomplainingly, have continued in circumstances, as the Deputy said, which would have caused problems with other sections of the community.

The position regarding the six Garda stations is briefly as follows. The Commissioners of Public Works recently completed certain internal works at Cabinteely Garda station and plans have been prepared for additional internal work. Works carried out at the station and future works planned were requested by the Garda authorities. The authorities are satisfied with the general standard of accommodation at Cabinteely. The Deputy referred to certain equipment which had been installed but is not yet operative. I think he is referring to the new radio system which, by agreement with the Department of Justice, is not due to commence until 1987. As I said, further works are planned before 1987 in relation to Cabinteely.

The accommodation at Kill-o'-the Grange station is totally inadequate to cater for Garda requirements. It is a stark case of gross overcrowding as the catchment area has outgrown the facilities available in that station, with which I am reasonably familiar. Improved accommodation will have to be provided by the construction of an extension to the existing site or acquisition of an alternative site and provision of a new building. The question as to how best this accommodation can be provided is being examined actively by the Office of Public Works. What happens in relation to Kill-o'-the-Grange Garda station is not just dependent on what is decided by the Department of Justice and ourselves but also actively involves Dublin County Council who have a road widening programme which will affect the existing station site if we are talking about an extension. The Office of Public Works and the Department of Justice are seeking to clarify the council's intentions in the matter before embarking on detailed design in respect of an extension scheme.

The problem at Kill-o'-the-Grange is not the building conditions but the fact that the station is grossly overcrowded. The Deputy referred to the cell but I should like to point out that it is seldom if ever used. He also mentioned that one detention centre in each division should suffice. This may be so, but he should refer that to the Department of Justice as it is more properly for their consideration than for mine.

He also mentioned Blackrock substation but this is more properly a matter for the Department of Justice.

I referred to Ballybrack.

I am sorry; it was my mistake. However, this matter should be brought to the attention of the Minister for Justice. The third existing station in the constituency is Shankill. It is recognised that the existing Garda station there is in need of replacement. Planning of a new larger station at Dorney Court, Shankill, to cater for the needs of this expanding area is under way and it is expected that tenders for the work will be invited in 1987.

I am informed that Blackrock Garda station is overcrowded. To solve this problem it will be necessary to build a new station on an alternative site. The Commissioners of Public Works are at present awaiting a report from the Department of Justice as to the suitability of a site which has become available in the Blackrock area. It will not be possible to extend the existing station and I am reliably informed that that report is on its way to us from the Department of Justice.

A scheme of works is virtually completed at Dún Laoghaire divisional headquarters, with only heating works to the cells outstanding. The works which have been done would have been completed much sooner but for the fact that the station had to remain occupied and operational during the course of the job. The office of Public Works literally had to work in and around the gardaí to cause as little disruption as possible to their job. The outstanding works to the cells will be carried out in the very near future.

A scheme of major improvements was carried out at Dalkey during the past two years. We have received no request for further works from the Garda authorities in relation to Dalkey Garda station. It is as agents of the Department of Justice that the Commissioners of Public Works carry out improvements at Garda stations. Acting on behalf of the Department, the Commissioners have completed works at many stations all over the country within the past four years and many more will be carried out in 1987. I am satisfied that the Commissioners have carried out, or are arranging to carry out, whatever they have been requested to do at all the stations in the Dún Laoghaire constituency.

The Department of Justice are quite satisfied with the progress of the Office of Public Works and their building programme. A sum of £15 million has been spent on new stations over the past three years. For 1987 we have earmarked £5.3 million to maintain the momentum of this programme in relation to Garda stations.

The Department of Justice are way out of line. It is not the fault of the Minister of State but they should examine their conscience.

The Dáil adjourned at 9 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday 12 November 1986.

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