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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 6 May 1987

Vol. 372 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Tipperary District Hospital.

I thank the Chair for giving me this opportunity to air this very controversial and difficult issue that has arisen with respect to the proposed closure of St. Vincent's District Hospital, Tipperary town. But for his position, the Chair as an ordinary member, would have been in the forefront in the campaign for the continuation of this hospital and the very fine medical services in south Tipperary. I recall with pride the Chair's valuable contribution for many years as a public representative in the building up of these medical facilities for the people of south Tipperary. It is regrettable that we are now seeing the dismantling of these magnificant services. When the news broke out in Tipperary town last evening that as a result of a 13 to 14 vote of the health board committee, the hospital was to close, there was utter confusion, consternation and anger. In my 14 years as a Dáil Deputy and 20 as a public representative I have never witnessed such anger, frustration and disillusionment in the people of Tipperary town. They were aghast that such a suggestion should emanate from any health board that their local district hospital should be closed. I understand that tomorrow morning there is to be an emergency meeting called by the CEO of the South Eastern Health Board to overturn that decision.

It is against that background that I appeal to the Minister of State to get in touch with the CEO and ask him to stay his hand and not to take an irrevocable decision tommorrow or encourage the board members to do so. I doubt the legitimacy of a decision to be taken tomorrow. In most local authorities and councils it takes a two-thirds majority to overturn a decision taken by the council. Will the Minister clarify if a simple majority prevails and if a decision went against the proposals, would that be a legitimate decision? I understand that in most cases a six month period must elapse before a decision taken can be overturned. Perhaps the Minister of State would clarify that.

St. Vincent's District Hospital has been in existence for 100 years. It was built by the British forces as part of their military barracks and when the British withdrew in 1922, the remainder of the barracks was burned by so-called Irregulars——

You are well aware of the words "Republican forces"——

——but the local medical officer prevailed on them and they had the good sense not to burn to the ground the very fine district hospital which we now have. Ever since then, under native Government, and under the care of many matrons and staff the hospital has served the medical needs of Tipperary town and its hinterland which has a very large populace. Indeed it has served people as far away as County Limerick, the borders of Cork and people from north Tipperary. The hospital has 42 beds, 21 male beds and 21 female beds. It has a staff of 26 comprising ten nurses, ten domestic staff, one cook grade 2, one male ward orderly, one groundsman, one ambulance driver and one relief driver and so on. It is a small industry. Tipperary town has just about held its own in the recent recession but the loss of those 26 jobs would be disastrous for the town.

I attended a public protest meeting in Tipperary last Monday night and it was the largest attended protest meeting ever held in the town. The crowds overflowed into the yard of the local hotel and a public address system had to be put up so that people could listen to the business that was being transacted inside. The crowd consisted of young and old, of all political persuasions and creeds.

Did Deputy McCarthy attend that meeting?

Deputy McCarthy apologised for his non-attendance. He was invited as were other Members of the Oireachtas but they apologised for their non-attendance. The crowd were incensed at the thought that their hospital would be swept away without due consideration and they will attend in force at tommorrow's meeting to overturn the decision. On Friday night the Tipperary Urban District Council met in emergency session and took a unanimous decision that this hospital should not be closed. A telegram was sent to both the Minister for Health and to the CEO conveying the feeling of that emergency meeting. On Sunday there was a meeting of the staff of St. Vincent's and local doctors. It was a pitiful meetings, because those dedicated staff, who had given loving care to the people of Tipperary town and its hinterland were totally disillusioned that their jobs could be swept away at the whim of the CEO of the South Eastern Health Board. Their futures were being swept away. They beseeched the public representatives and Members of the Oireachtas to bring this to the attention of the Minister and Dáil Éireann.

There is a strong case for the retention of St. Vincent's Hospital on either social, economic or medical grounds. The hospital is 24 miles from the nearest acute medical centre in either Clonmel or in Limerick. Limerick city, as we all know is in the mid Western Health Board area, and the South Eastern Health Board dissuade their doctors from sending patients outside of their own region due to the increased costs. Last year they paid £14 million to other health boards for the services given outside of their area. St. Vincent's Hospital contains 42 semi-acute beds with a greater than 84 per cent bed occupancy in 1986, the average stay being 15.3 days or approximately half the national average for a hospital of its kind. According to Department of Health statistics produced in 1985 the average cost per week per occupied bed in St. Vincent's Hospital is £232 compared with £410 in St. Joseph's Hospital in Clonmel.

The members of the South Eastern Health Board and indeed the Minister should be aware that £10,000 was collected in a brief six weeks shortly before Christmas last to raise funds for the equipping of the physiotherapy unit at St. Vincent's Hospital. This unit is now fully operational, with a saving to the South Eastern Health Board of large sums of money on three counts. First, there is a saving on transport to and from Cashel and Clonmel for physiotherapy. Secondly, there is a reduction in the use by doctors of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs and/or cortisone which constitutes a large saving. Thirdly, there is a reduction in the overload of patients requiring physiotherapy at Cashel and Clonmel.

On a ward round this week, on 3 May, the doctors medically assessed patients present in St. Vincent's Hospital, when there was a full complement of 42 patients. Of those, two-thirds require acute treatment, were not fit for discharge and would require to be transferred either to St. Joseph's Hospital in Clonmel—which is also to lose a number of beds—or to the Regional Hospital in Limerick, which would cost additional moneys and be outside the South Eastern Health Board area. One might well ask what about the remaining one-third? They would have to receive home care or home help necessitating many visits by local doctors which would amount to quite a sizeable sum.

The closure of St. Vincent's Hospital in Tipperary town cannot be justified on medical or economic grounds. We must insist that, before the South Eastern Health Board take this decision — which is totally premature — they examine every other possibility. They should examine every single possibility before embarking on the irreparable step of closing either St. Vincent's Hospital or reducing Our Lady's hospital in Cashel by 20 beds, with six posts going at a saving of £90,000, or reducing St. Joseph's Medical Hospital, Clonmel by ten beds, with 3 posts being lost, at a meagre saving of £50,000 or indeed reducing St. Joseph's Psychiatric Hospital by 87 beds, the saving in respect of which I am not aware.

We recall with pride that about a year and a half ago the then Minister for Health, now present in the House, opened a magnificent extension to St. Luke's Hospital in Clonmel at a cost of £1.5 million. Barely 18 months later, 87 of those beds are to be closed down. Where are we going as regards psychiatric care or medical attention in South Tipperary? Indeed on that occasion the Minister was practically assassinated by groups of anguished people from other hospital areas coming to protest——

I have to remind the Deputy that the subject matter of this question is St. Vincent's Hospital, Tipperary town.

Nobody will assassinate Deputy Desmond, that is for sure.

I do not want to be in conflict with the Chair but the matter I wished to raise on the Adjournment was the proposal of the South Eastern Health Board to reduce services and costs in 1987 with specific reference to the proposal to close down St. Vincent's District Hospital and to reduce the number of beds in many other hospitals; that was the exact wording, Sir.

The essential subject matter of the question refers to St. Vincent's Hospital, Tipperary town.

I bow to your guidance but I still disagree with it.

I would urge the Minister of State to get in touch with the Chief Medical Officer of the South Eastern Health Board before tomorrow's meeting to ask him to explore every other avenue available to him — and there are many, for instance, the collection of all outstanding levies due to the South Eastern Health Board, the obtaining of funds on account of insurance claims, many of which have been settled, and the selling off of any assets of the South Eastern Health Board. I know they have a number of assets in Tipperary town, such as building sites and land. No doubt there are such assets in every other town and hospital area within the South Eastern Health Board region. Of course an obvious solution would be for the Minister to increase the allocation which he has reduced substantially this year to £91 million whereas the figure required to maintain the same level of services as last year would be £100 million.

I would beseech the Minister to listen to the pleas of all shades of political opinion in Tipperary town and to reconsider the closure of St. Vincent's District Hospital.

Deputy Barry Desmond has asked me to allow him to contribute to this debate and, with your permission, Sir, I will give him the remaining time available to me.

I thank Deputy Griffin for giving me this opportunity of contributing to this debate.

I would preface my comments in relation to the proposals of the South Eastern Health Board by saying that it has been evident that an attenuated budget of the nature allocated by the Minister to the South Eastern Health Board inevitably would result in proposals of this nature by the chief executive officer. The blunt fact is that the budget allocated to the South Eastern Health Board simply will not allow them to maintain the 1986 level of in-patient and out-patient services in 1987. The consequence of the Government decision not to provide sufficient resources is the proposal which will be before the South Eastern Health Board tomorrow. Unquestionably responsibility must lie with the Minister and the Government for their failure to allocate sufficient funds to the health board.

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy but I understood he was intervening in an Adjournment debate, the subject matter of which is the proposed closure of St. Vincent's Hospital, Tipperary town. I cannot allow an extension of that matter.

The closure arises from the fundamental inadequacy of the budget allocation by the Minister for Health to the South Eastern Health Board for 1987. There is now this major change of hospital bed usage whereby in this hospital, two-thirds of those who were medically assessed only this week are not fit to be discharged and would require direct transference to either the Regional Hospital in Limerick or St. Joseph's Hospital in Clonmel. The extremity of the cuts now proposed, the lack of planning, indeed the lack of consultation with the Department of Health and the phasing of rationalisation have brought about this proposal. We did this quite effectively in relation to Roscrea, resulting in no loss of jobs, no major dislocation to families and no distress to patients. We succeeded in doing that by effective rationalisation. This is not rationalisation. It is blunt elimination of services. We must oppose the virtual amputation of these 42 semi-acute beds in St. Vincent's Hospital, with no alternative being provided by way of day care facilities, substitute facilities or alternative arrangements for the admission of acute patients in that catchment area.

On those grounds, I am strongly opposed to the proposal. I would urge the Minister and Minister of State to go back to the Cabinet table and get an extra £10 million, £15 million or £20 million for 1987 and to allocate that money on a rational basis to those who require it. If that is done, the chaos now visited by the Government on the South Eastern Health Board and the Department of Health can be substantially alleviated and the closure of this hospital avoided.

Before replying I must say I am rather surprised at the intervention of the former Minister, Deputy Desmond in this debate. Deputy Desmond, when Minister for Health, allowed a run-over in the health services of £55 million in 1986.

That is not true.

In January 1987 he walked away from the problems in the Department of Health and like Pontius Pilate washed his hands. We now have to pick up the pieces left by him and his Government. Deputy Desmond left an over-run of £5 million in the South Eastern Health Board. I am stating those facts because of the hypocrisy of the former Minister who comes into this House and complains about situations that are arising as a direct result of his inability to deal with the problems when he was Minister.

That is not true.

I wish to explain the arrangements which have been made to determine the measures necessary to ensure that the 1987 budgetary decisions in respect of the health services are implemented. The Minister and I met with the chief executive officers and chairman of the health boards on 2 April when the Minister handed them their letters of allocations in respect of 1987. Each health board were asked to submit details of the manner in which they propose to spend their allocation in the current year. I have also arranged for senior officials of my Department to meet with the management of each board and to draw up a detailed picture of the services and staffing implications in respect of all boards. A number of other teams are having similar discussions with representatives of the voluntary hospitals. I expect these meetings will be completed early next week and I will then be in a position to evaluate fully the overall situation having regard to the reports submitted by officials of my Department and the formal submissions made to me by the health boards and hospital authorities.

I must emphasise that the decisions in relation to the manner in which the individual health agencies cope with the allocations and the embargo on recruitment are matters, in the first instance, for these agencies. Our concern will be to ensure that the available resources are deployed so that essential services are maintained at an acceptable level of quality and efficiency.

In relation to St. Vincent's Hospital, Tipperary, the Deputy will no doubt be fully aware that the South Eastern Health Board voted on 30 April not to accept the package of proposals submitted to it for approval by the chief executive officer. The matter is to be further considered by the board at a special meeting tomorrow. I do not, therefore, have any proposals before me in relation to how the board will organise their services to live within their approved allocation in the current year.

Is it not true that the Taoiseach told Fianna Fáil Deputies to vote for the closure of these hospitals?

Deputy Deasy, there is a time limit on this debate and the Minister has only a few minutes left.

He might be finished by 5 o'clock tomorrow.

In these circumstances it would be totally inappropriate for me to make any comment on the future utilisation of any of the boards' hospital facilities. Until the Minister and I have had an opportunity of looking at the overall proposals from boards and hospitals it is not our intention to make any comment on specific situations.

That is dictatorship. The Taoiseach advised Fianna Fáil Deputies to attend the meeting and to vote for the closure of these hospitals. The public will not forget that.

The Dáil adjourned at 8.55 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 7 May 1987.

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