Skip to main content
Normal View

Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 26 Oct 1989

Vol. 392 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Coolock (Dublin) Law Centre Funding.

I would like to thank the office of the Ceann Comhairle for the opportunity to raise this urgent matter, urgent because the position — as the Minister for Social Welfare is aware — is that Coolock Community Law Centre is facing financial extinction in mid-November. The last instalment paid to them in October will have been used up completely and the law centre will have no option but to close. The Minister, being in the same constituency in which the centre is located, will be aware that the centre for some weeks now has been obliged to take on no new work or to make any new commitment to the people of the area because of the uncertainty of their future. This is a crucially important point for the law centre.

Since it was founded in 1975 it has been subjected to the most irregular, disparate and difficult treatment regarding funding. Responsibility for funding has been moved to various agencies and sources and they have wrung a financial commitment from Government time and again simply by reason of agitation, demonstration and by raising a public outcry. Frankly, that is not the way Coolock Community Law Centre should be treated. On the last occasion on which they got a commitment from the Department of Social Welfare they were informed that the Minister would commission a report of evaluation, depending on the outcome of the report, a definite decision regarding future funding would be made. That report, commissioned by the Combat Poverty Agency, the author of which is Brian Dillon, has been with the Minister and his officials for a number of months. It praises the law centre and its functions. I will quote from its conclusions — time does not allow for any longer extracts from the report — as follows:

The Irish Civil Legal Aid Scheme was introduced in 1980 ten years after the Pringle Committee had argued for a comprehensive scheme of Civil Legal Aid. The scheme fell far short of what the Pringle Report had proposed and even further short of the urgent needs identified by those working in the area in a voluntary capacity.

Specifically in relation to the Coolock Law Centre the report states:

The Coolock Law Centre has attempted to address the problems associated with equality under the law in the community. As such it is unique and this in itself throws up problems for evaluation....

The very high level of demand and activity over a period of 12 years is in some ways a measure of need for the service.

There is no doubt Coolock Law Centre is needed. It is unique and it provides a crucial service to the Dublin north-east area in general.

Clearly, the commitment given to the Coolock Law Centre and the people in the area following on that evaluation report must be stood by and a decision made at Government level to establish the Coolock Law Centre on a permanent ongoing funded basis. It must now be recognised as indispensable and everything must be done by the Minister and the Government to ensure that the centre gets a budget on which it can rely, on a yearly basis, without having to resort to this kind of activity, without mobilising the community to agitate, without going to public representatives to raise the issue in the Dáil and without troubling the Minister in his office on a yearly basis to say: "We are facing bankruptcy yet again; can you help us out?"

The sum of £118,000 on a yearly basis represents very good value for money. It will allow them to employ, in the first instance, one extra solicitor. When last I raised this matter with the Minister in the House — again on the Adjournment debate and in circumstances similar to what we have today — on 10 February 1988, I indicated then the urgent need for the appointment of a new solicitor but funding was not forthcoming to allow for that. I am now saying that any budgetary commitment which must be made must be such as to allow for the recruitment of such an officer.

It was drawn to my attention recently, at a meeting with the staff in the Coolock Law Centre, that the one solicitor who operates there, works on a schedule which I do not believe is equalled by any practitioner in private practice in terms of work or case load undertaken. It was indicated that she spends nine out of ten days in court on her feet working. She dealt with 72 cases in court during a period of six weeks. On one day in that period she was obliged to deal with five cases running simultaneously in three different courts. An average of eight to ten new cases a week can be expected to be taken on when the centre is operating at full capacity. That level of activity simply cannot be sustained for much longer.

The centre and the people in the area and all of us who refer — as the Minister does — people to the centre for help must have the highest regard for the officers, Roisín Connolly, Dave Ellis and Elizabeth Egan. They do a colossal job but must be assisted. First, they must now get a firm commitment from the Government that they will be funded on a permanent basis for the future and that it will be part of the budget of a departmental Estimate in this House. Secondly, the budget modest as it is, must be of a minimum to allow for the expansion of staff to carry, in the small way it is asked, the huge workload of the centre.

I do not want the Minister for Social Welfare, Deputy Woods, to hop around on this matter. I know he has a concern for the law centre. At a recent meeting it was indicated — and it took me by surprise — that the Combat Poverty Agency in a covering letter to the report recommended something that was not in the report: that is, that the Department of Justice should be the Department to carry responsibility for the centre. I have no concern one way or the other: be it the Department of Social Welfare, because it is a community-based facility, or the Department of Justice, because it is providing a legal service. A decision must be made today, or very shortly, as to which Department take responsibility. I know the Minister says that the letter from the Combat Poverty Agency suggested the Department of Justice and, on another occasion, suggested the Department of Justice and the Department of Social Welfare combined because of the dual function of the law centre as a community-based unit. Now, I understand that a preference might be directed more towards the Department of Justice. If that is the view why would the Minister for Justice not hear me this evening? If not, I urge the Minister for Social Welfare to make urgent representations, and perhaps secure a meeting with the Minister for Justice at an early date, for Coolock Community Law Centre so that the central issue is determined as to who will take responsibility in their Estimate to fund on a permanent basis the Coolock Community Law Centre, which is an indispensable crucial service provided for the people of Dublin north-east.

I would like to make clear at the outset that Coolock Community Law Centre is not in danger of closure as this motion would suggest. The centre has depended on Exchequer support of one sort or another for the past 15 years and there is no question of this support being withdrawn.

I am very well aware of the valuable work being done by the centre and have personal knowledge of its work on behalf of its clients. In many ways the centre is unique. It is the only community law centre in existence in the country and was established long before the civil legal aid scheme was introduced in 1981.

Over the years, the centre has been funded on an ad hoc basis. Since its establishment in 1975, the centre has been funded variously by the Department of Justice, the National Committee on Pilot Schemes to Combat Poverty, my own Department and more recently, through the Combat Poverty Agency. Since 1983 my Department have been the sole funding agency of the centre. During the years 1984 to 1986 inclusive, the centre received grants amounting to £103,000 by way of the scheme of grants to voluntary bodies.

Arising from my concern about the ad hoc nature of the centre's funding, I arranged in 1987 for the Combat Poverty Agency to fund the centre for a three-year period to the end of 1989. This funding amounted to £60,000 per annum. This was the first occasion on which the centre had secure funding for a prolonged period. In addition, following discussions which I had with representatives of the centre late last year, I arranged for a further grant of £10,000 from the Combat Poverty Agency to clear the centre's long-standing overdraft.

Since 1986 alone, therefore, the centre has received grants amounting to almost £300,000. This clearly demonstrates the considerable level of support which the centre has enjoyed since its establishment, particularly from my Department. My purpose in arranging to have the Combat Poverty Agency fund the centre for a three-year period was to enable an ongoing evaluation of the centre's activities to be carried out with a view to determining how the centre should be funded in the future. This review which was carried out by the agency highlights the valuable work being done by the centre.

The total population of the centre's catchment area is 60,000 and the bulk of its caseload of around 1,600 cases per year comes from residents of local authority housing estates. A profile of the centre's clients indicates that they come from low income backgrounds and that the majority are women. Over a third of its cases relate to family law issues. These include requests for help in securing legal separations, general requests for advice on family law and clients seeking to obtain barring orders. Other significant areas of the centre's case work include consumer rights, social welfare matters, employment-related problems, indebtedness and housing.

The agency's review of the law centre's activities concludes that the centre provides valuable and worthwhile legal and other services at low cost and that it fulfils a very important role within the community.

I am very well aware of the concerns of the law centre in relation to future funding. In fact, just over a week ago I met representatives of the centre to discuss the question of funding. As I have said, prior to 1986 the centre was funded very much on an ad hoc basis. This was obviously an unsatisfactory arrangement since it created a degree of uncertainty for the centre about its future. This situation improved in 1987, however, following on the arrangements which I made at that time with the Combat Poverty Agency to fund the centre until the end of this year.

During the course of my recent discussions with representatives of the centre, it emerged that there are two aspects to its funding problem. First, there will be a shortfall in funding in the current year and the centre will require a further grant of around £6,000 in addition to the £60,000 already made available this year. Secondly, the issue of the long term funding of the centre needs to be addressed.

I have already discussed the more immediate problem with the Combat Poverty Agency and I know that proposals for a further grant to the centre for the balance of this year will be dealt with at the next meeting of the board which will take place shortly.

The issue of future funding of the centre is currently being examined within my Department. This examination will take full account of the evaluation report on the centre's activities and of the recommendations of the Combat Poverty Agency in relation to funding. I am anxious that the matter be dealt with as quickly as possible and I intend to bring forward proposals shortly for consideration by the Government.

Finally, I would like to express my appreciation for the very valuable work being done by the centre. I know that the local community is involved in this work and this is reflected in the high level of participation by local groups in the centre's management committee. I expect to be in a position to announce a decision shortly concerning the future funding of the centre.

I should like to advise the Minister for Health that we have been unable to locate Deputy Lee. Accordingly, the second question raised on the Adjournment will not be taken.

The Dáil adjourned at 4.55 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 1 November 1989.

Top
Share