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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 16 Oct 1991

Vol. 411 No. 1

Confidence in Government: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann reaffirms its confidence in the Government.

I believe this Government merit the confidence of Dáil Éireann on the basis of our record in managing the nation's affairs and our programme for the future.

I propose to outline the Government's record and performance and our plans for the future within the general framework of economic and social policy, European affairs and the competence and quality of our Administration. My colleagues during the course of the debate will outline their performance and plans in more detail in respect of their particular areas of responsibility.

In order to assess our management of the economy and the public finances it is necessary to look back to the situation that confronted this nation when we took office early in 1987.

Refer to 1981 while you are at it.

Let me remind everyone in this House — and there are many on those benches over there who want to forget it — of the perilous state of the economy and the public finances at the end of 1986. The national economy was in decline with negative growth in the previous four years, the public finances had deteriorated to the extent that the current budget deficit was the highest ever recorded at 8.3 per cent of GNP, the national debt had been virtually doubled in four years.

It had been trebled during the previous four years.

The enormous burden of taxation had become intolerable. Taxes had been increased in real terms by nearly £600 million between 1982 and 1986. Confidence in the economy at the end of 1986 had vanished and real interest rates were at an exorbitant level. Industrial investment had collapsed. There was a chronic balance of payments deficit. Our external reserves, at the end of 1986, had fallen to a dangerous level.

The effect of this massive deterioration in our economy, its stability and competitiveness, was most clearly marked in an enormous loss of employment. Between 1982 and 1986, total employment fell by 66,000——

It will be double that this year.

——one of the largest such losses of employment ever experienced in our recent history. That was the disastrous record of the Fine Gael-Labour Coalition of which Deputy Bruton, Deputy Barry, Deputy Deasy, Deputy Noonan and Deputy Spring were all members.

Deputy John Bruton as Minister for Finance ended up with the highest current budget deficit on record in this country. He unilaterally devalued our currency in 1986 only three months afer an EMS realignment. Deputy Bruton as Minister for Finance brought us as near to third-world status as we have ever been. The situation was so bad in 1986 that many believed it was beyond redemption.

(Interruptions.)

Deputies opposite should listen to the record.

The Deputies opposite have some audacity——

Will the Taoiseach permit me to appeal, on behalf of the Chair, to the House as we are embarking on what is regarded as a very important debate. The Chair would hope we would endure or enjoy each other in silence. The Taoiseach, without interruption please.

It is very hard to listen to that.

As usual, a Cheann Comhairle, I will listen courteously and politely to what everybody else has to say.

The Taoiseach has no choice.

The Deputies opposite have some audacity after the way they devastated the Irish economy and our public finances even to participate in this debate.

It was a depressing, intimidating and almost hopeless scene that confronted us in 1987. But we took firm control of the situation. We set about the tough task of putting the public finances in order and generating economic growth.

The extent to which we succeeded can be judged from the fact that by 1990 the economy had been transformed. Our achievements since 1987 have received wide praise from objective external commentators and are regarded as something of a model of non-inflationary growth, which others could well imitate. No other Community country achieved the same degree of improvement in the fundamentals of its economy as we did in the period since 1986.

Most fundamental of all, growth was restored to the economy. We have had, since 1986, a sustained period of growth averaging 4.5 per cent a year, as confidence was restored and investment and production increased. By 1990 the public finances were fundamentally transformed. The Exchequer borrowing requirement fell from 12.8 per cent to 2 per cent of GNP in 1990. The current budget deficit was brought down from the record 8.3 per cent of GNP to 0.7 per cent. Total Government expenditure was reduced from 55 per cent of GNP in 1986 to 41 per cent in 1990. Revenue was reduced from 40 per cent of GNP in 1984-86 to 36.6 per cent in 1990.

These dramatic improvements in the fundamental structure of the Exchequer finances were brought about by firm, skilled and courageous management of the public finances. Many difficult and unpopular decisions had to be made. We made them. Many sacrifices had to be demanded from various sections of our community. They responded generously in the national interest.

It is necessary to remind Deputies opposite that this economy was hauled back by Fianna Fáil from the brink of the bankruptcy to which it had been brought in December 1986 by Deputy Bruton of Fine Gael and Deputy Spring of Labour. Under this Government, and their predecessors, the turn-around was dramatic. We have now had a current balance of payments surplus since 1987, giving unprecedented stability to our exchange rate. Our competitive position has vastly improved. Irish firms throughout the country can now compete in a way they never knew before.

The effect of the improvement in the economy was a rise in employment of 40,000 between 1987 and 1990, and we have every reason to believe that those additional jobs are being maintained even in today's most difficult circumstances. Yet Deputies Bruton, Barry, Deasy, Noonan and Spring want this House to express no confidence in a Government who have transformed the Irish economy from the near-bankrupt state in which they left it.

The practical results of our good management of the public finances are, one of the lowest inflation rates now in the Community; a real relief to household budgets; lower interest and mortgage rates; a reduction in the standard rate of income tax from 35 per cent to 29 per cent and in the top rate of tax from 58 per cent to 52 per cent with many improvements in income tax allowances and exemptions, especially for the low-paid with families.

The achievements and progress made in all aspects of the economy and the public finances since 1987 must convince any impartial observer that the affairs of the State are best left in the hands of those who achieved these dramatic improvements I have outlined. What cannot be contemplated is the return of the economy and our public finances to the irresponsible and incompetent care of those who from 1982 to 1986 created economic and social havoc here.

The great departure in Irish affairs made by this Government and their predecessors has been in the radical new way of managing our economic and social affairs that we have established. When we came into office in 1987, we invited the trade unions, the employers, and the farmers to join us in formulating the Programme for National Recovery. We were determined to replace confrontation by consensus. A small society, like ours, living on a peripheral island and dependent, for our living standards, on international markets, can succeed only if all major economic and social interests are prepared to combine with the Government in an agreed programme of economic and social development. That is a self-evident truth which, I hope, now that it has been established will never again be forgotten or ignored.

The approach we have adopted is now the envy of the social partners in other Community countries, particularly when they see the results it has achieved in transforming the economy here since 1986. It has made us into a low inflation country, and brought a truly remarkable period of industrial peace.

These achievements have only been possible because of the willingness of the social partners, in the national interest, to combine together with the Government and accept the sacrifices and disciplines that were necessary to bring about the changes that were made.

This year has brought major difficulties. For the first time since 1987 the international economy has suffered a setback and entered a period of difficulty and recession. Two of our most important trading partners, the US and the UK went into outright recession with output and employment falling. This had a serious effect on our economic performance and prospects, though not to the same extent as others have suffered. In our own case, we had, in common with other Community countries, based our budget on a higher growth rate than can now be achieved. The growth forecast of 2.25 per cent on which the budget was based, was in line with forecasts for Ireland by the EC Commission last December. Other published forecasts were broadly in line.

Deputies will recall however that both I and the Minister for Finance stressed at budget-time the difficult and uncertain international background against which this year's economic and budgetary policies had to be framed. Since January virtually all the major forecasters have scaled back their forecasts for growth. The OECD scaled back its forecast for world growth in 1991 from 2 per cent to 1 per cent; the Commission scaled back its forecast of growth in the Community from 2.2 per cent to 1.4 per cent. Everyone should understand that we are not alone in having to take action to adapt to circumstances which have changed for the worse. All the Community countries are having to do the same. That our hopes and projections of last January will not be realised cannot be grounds for blame. What we could be blamed for would be if we did not quickly identify our problems and take strong corrective action. That is exactly what we are doing.

Let me give an outline of what has been happening and what we are doing about it. Growth in our economy fell away bringing a corresponding decline in Government revenues. Because of conditions in the US and the UK emigration ceased and many of our emigrants returned. Their welcome return increased greatly the number of unemployed on the Live Register giving rise to a major increase in expenditure for social welfare.

As early as last July we took action to curb the deterioration in the public finances by cutting Government expenditure by £100 million this year. Even though we did so, the Government's borrowing this year will rise to 2.5 per cent of GNP instead of the 1.9 per cent we had hoped for.

While this is disappointing, it is not disastrous. In no way does it reflect on the authenticity of this year's budget, and any suggestions to that effect are simply not valid. The combination of factors that caused the deterioration in this year's finances have been clearly identified for all to see and understand. They are the result of the realities we have to face.

Despite this deterioration this year, we still have one of the lowest Exchequer deficits in the Community, and our national debt/GNP ratio will decline again this year. Let me remind Deputies Bruton, Deasy, Barry, Noonan and Spring that the national debt/GNP ratio, when they were in office, rose from 94 per cent to 129 per cent. For them to attempt to lecture anyone on the management of the public finances is like listening to a lecture by the Emperor Nero to the ancient Romans on fire-fighting.

(Interruptions.)

He has more in common with Caligula.

Fortunately, despite lower growth this year all the indications and estimates from commentators are that employment has remained stable this year. This is a clear indicator of the basically sound underlying state our economy has now achieved. Due to this firm foundation our inflation rate, our interest rates and our balance of payments have all been kept under control, and we are ready to benefit from the growth in international trade now forecast generally to occur next year. Our present assessment is, however, that growth next year will be less than we had been looking forward to. For the immediate future, we must accept that economic growth is likely to be modest rather than spectacular. International agencies now predict that growth will return slowly but steadily in the UK and the US in the second half of 1991 and will accelerate in 1992. On balance, international developments should assist some pick-up in our economy in the months ahead. We can therefore hope for a more satisfactory growth rate next year, particularly for consumer spending.

This has special implications for the Exchequer finances. The lower than expected growth next year coming on top of lower than expected growth this year will mean less Exchequer revenue next year than was planned when the Programme for Economic and Social Progress was agreed. That programme was based on official estimates of average growth of 3 per cent over the years 1991-1994 which were presented to all involved in the negotiations. Those rates unfortunately will not now be achieved.

We discussed last week with our partners in the programme the difficulties the Exchequer faces. We agreed as partners to discuss over the coming weeks the problems we face and seek to solve them. All sectors will have to contribute to this solution, and I have every confidence that, given the genuine commitment to the national interest that brought us together in the first place, we will resolve the immediate and essentially short-term problems we now face.

What would be an historic tragedy and what the economy cannot afford is that we should relapse into the old confrontational approach to the management of the economy, in which each sector fights for its own sectional interest regardless of the national interest, and where vital issues are settled on the picket lines or in other equally confrontational ways.

The Exchequer Borrowing Requirement for 1992 that is emerging would be greater than the already disappointing outturn for 1991. That is not consistent with our stated policy objective and cannot be contemplated.

That situation must and will be addressed. We have made too much progress since 1987 to start sliding backward now. We must continue to improve the Exchequer finances in line with the objectives set in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress. These objectives include reducing the debt/GNP ratio to about 100 per cent and achieving broad balance in the current budget by 1993. These must be reached for our own domestic reasons, but also to enable us to meet the new disciplines that will be imposed in the second stage of Economic and Monetary Union. This will require us to look at all the options open to us in both the expenditure and the revenue areas of the public finances. As part of that process, we are now entering into bilateral discussions with the social partners. The Government are also engaged in a detailed examination of all areas of Exchequer expenditure. These efforts are still at an early stage. However, the Government are determined that the necessary steps will be taken to protect the public finances.

I can therefore assure the House that the fiscal discipline which has characterised this Government's dealing with the public finances will be maintained. We have all learned from the mistakes that were made in the past, and for which we are still paying today, when servicing the public debt takes more than three-quarters of the entire income tax yield. Having gained so much ground over the past few years, we do not now propose to throw those gains away, which have been hard earned.

Provided we do what is needed now, however, there is great hope for the future. Given the improvement in our economy in recent years, we are now in a good position to take advantage of the world upswing in economic activity, when it gets under way. In the context of the Single European Market after 1992 and the opening up of markets in Eastern Europe, which should promote a substantial increase in European trade, we can benefit significantly.

Over the past few years, we have been developing the potential of the economy as rapidly as possible and in every area, neglecting no opportunity for growth. There is a new financial services industry; many provincial towns now have international data-processing industries. Many new industrial projects are coming before the Government or the IDA for grant approval. We have had dynamic growth in our tourist industry, with a doubling of tourist numbers since 1986. There has been an unprecedented level of investment in new tourist amenities and facilities. The establishment of Coillte and the more than doubling of the level of forestry planting since 1986 have been a resounding success. Our marine industries are also expanding. We have given a new impetus to science and technology in the service of development.

Under the National Development Plan there has been sustained investment in our infrastructure, especially roads, ports and airports, with corresponding benefit to activity in the construction industry. Every area of this worthwhile, developmental work will be continued, intensified and expanded, all with the overall guiding objective of providing the jobs we desperately need.

The last few years have also been a period of significant social advice. Economic growth has made it possible for us to do far more than was feasible in the stagnation of the mid-1980s. Major improvements have been made in the level of welfare payments, especially to the long-term unemployed with families. Education has been given special priority, with an increase in the provision of third level places, including the new Business School at Carysfort. We have established a new Commission on the Status of Women, and taken action on their initial recommendations. We are also implementing a major programme of legal reform, which includes many enlightened social measures.

We have been effective in bringing about social change, social reform and social improvement. Putting forward popular, high-sounding policies is easy. What counts however is the ability to implement; to take the hard practical decisions, to decide difficult priorities. That is where this Government show their mettle.

The cultural life of our nation is flourishing, contributing to a new vibrant sense of national identity. Our environment policies are working well and there is a completely new national profile and public awareness in this important field. We are sensitive in our approach to issues, small in themselves, but nonetheless of great symbolic significance for our self-esteem as a nation. Our cities, towns and our countryside show many notable signs of an improved appearance.

At EC level, we have been effective in the protection and promotion of Irish interest while contributing fully to the further integration of the Community. We believe that our full membership of an increasingly integrated and developing Community will enable us to exploit to the full our potential as a nation.

The past years have been ones of fundamental change in European politics and present great challenges for the European Community and its member states. Rarely in the recent history of our continent has there been such an opportunity to overcome the legacy of the past and build a stable, secure and prosperous Europe.

The European Community is at the centre of these efforts. It is faced with the tasks of strengthening its own internal cohesion, building new relations with its neighbours, and promoting a more secure European order. Issues are now coming up for decision which are of enormous significance for Europe, for the European Community, and for this country. Developments since we joined have shown conclusively how closely Ireland's political and economic interests are intertwined with those of our European partners. We share common interests and must build a common future. That is why the Government are now involved in a series of complex and far-reaching negotiations — the most complex and far-reaching since we joined the Community — the outcome of which will certainly have profound effects on the future of our people and the welfare of future generations.

The two Intergovernmental Conferences on Political Union and on Economic and Monetary Union are at the heart of the Community's efforts to move forward on the path to closer integration. Their general scope and objectives were settled during the Irish Presidency last year, and negotiations have been proceeding since then. I have kept the House fully informed of those developments throughout the negotiations, and I gave a comprehensive account of all the issues involved, and of Ireland's position on them, in July, after the Luxembourg Summit.

The Treaty on Political Union will establish new forms of co-operation on foreign and security policy and on home and judicial affairs. Progress has been made, but the most difficult part of the negotiations still lie ahead on such essential matters as foreign policy and security, voting, the role of the European Parliament, and in particular and of very great interest to us, economic and social cohesion. Ireland's position on several of these issues has been recognised at successive European Councils and incorporated in their conclusions. There is agreement that the definition of a defence policy is something for the future, and the recognition that any defence identity for the union must take account of our traditional position. The task now will be to translate these political agreements into concrete measures in the negotiations ahead.

Recently, we successfully opposed attempts to create a two tier approach with regard to the move of the final stage of EMU. This is a matter of fundamental importance for the Community and for Ireland. The strength of the Community lies in its ideals of unity and coherence; a two tier approach to either Economic and Monetary Union or to Political Union would be the antithesis of everything the Community stands for and is simply unacceptable.

All these negotiations will reach their crucial stages in the coming months. They will require the most careful and expert handling if we are to achieve our dual aims of advancing the process of European integration and protecting and promoting Ireland's best interests in all areas. This Government have the political skills, experience, the confidence based on past successes and the respect of our partners, to enable us to handle these crucially important negotiations in the period immediately ahead in Ireland's very best long-term interests.

Can anyone seriously contemplate entrusting such a task to a disparate collection of Deputies opposite with their fundamental diagreements on practically every aspect of Community affairs?

Four months.

(Interruptions.)

No, I will not try you, the risk would be too great. Irish political life is going through a traumatic period——

You cannot sack them and they cannot sack you.

You are like a ship without a rudder.

Irish political life is going through a traumatic period with many disturbing features. The fall-out from what has been happening can only be damaging to the best interests of our country. First, we had the disclosure of the reprehensible behaviour of a small number of individuals in the business and financial sector. That by itself was deeply disturbing and seriously detrimental to the good name of this country, but it was added to, hyped up and exaggerated by a massive campaign of vilification and character assassination of unprecedented intensity without regard to evidence, proof of justification.

Stick around.

A totally unjustified attempt was made to put the blame for business scandals on to the Government when clearly there was no ministerial involvement of any kind. The business and financial scandals in the semi-State sector in which the Government were in no way involved were seized upon, embellished and twisted in a totally dishonest manner to smear those who had no connection of any kind with them. Normal legitimate political debate was discarded and in its place we have had a campaign of personalised attacks by way of unfounded allegations, innuendo, accusations of guilt by association and all the other traditional, despicable weapons of such a campaign.

And demands that you step aside.

The object of the campaign was nothing less than to undermine and destabilise this Government and to damage the credibility of individual members, particularly myself. Each time there is some new so-called sensational revelation, members of the public could well ask themselves the simple question: where is there any evidence of wrong doing by any member of this Government?

That is why you would not answer questions.

In the nature of things it is always easy to raise doubts, questions and suspicions about the motives for even the most laudable actions. I believe all fair minded responsible citizens should ask why such a campaign was undertaken at this stage and what can be the real motives of those who have participated in this truly extraordinary campaign, this concentrated barrage, covering the entire media, as one sided as it was unremitting.

Tell us the other side.

I stated at the outset of these events that these were business and financial scandals not political, and that there was no ministerial or political involvement, and I repeat that.

What about Carysfort?

I now wish firmly to reiterate that statement. Nothing has emerged or been revealed since to affect in any way the truth of that statement.

I warmly welcome this debate and the opportunity it gives me to state categorically that neither I nor any of the Ministers of this Government had any connection of even the remotest kind with any of the events and transactions now being investigated in regard to Irish Sugar and Telecom Éireann. I and my colleagues eagerly await the outcome of all the investigations now under way so that the truth can be fully established and revealed and our position vindicated. It will then be shown that neither I nor any Minister of this Government was in any way involved in or connected with these events or transactions.

The House is well used to false allegations by a number of Deputies from what is called the Left, but on this occasion the new peddler of this kind of stuff, the Leader of the Fine Gael Party, Deputy John Bruton, decided apparently to take his ignoble part. He threw himself into the disreputable campaign with a kind of erratic frenzy, popping up all over the place, making unfounded allegations and demanding contradictory courses of action. Perhaps this is not as surprising as it might seem when we recall that it was the new Leader of Fine Gael who devoted the main thrust of his vaudeville Ard Fheis to a vulgar coarse attack on one single Fianna Fáil Deputy.

(Interruptions.)

This is not the time to raise that matter. It is very inappropriate to do so now.

Deputy Bruton is largely responsible for bringing the practice of politics in this country to a new low. He seems to be running Fine Gael as some sort of private detective agency, hunting every latest rumour, phoning around, inquiring about Ministers' activities, their families and friends. It might be Deputy Bruton's style but it is not the Fine Gael tradition.

The allegations were proven to be true.

The present campaign——

They were proven to be true. The Taoiseach knows a lot about phone calls to families made by Deputies sitting behind him——

That is a deliberate falsehood. That is another deliberate falsehood.

——when attempts were made to change the leadership of his party.

(Interruptions.)

The Deputies opposite have had unrestrained access to all the media for three weeks to a month to make all these allegations but now they are not prepared to give me one hour to reply.

Obviously, they do not like the truth.

(Interruptions.)

Gabh mo leith scéal, a Thaoisigh——

The Taoiseach had unrestrained access to RTE radio for a full hour and he made a dog's dinner of it.

Deputy Barrett, if I were you I would not participate in this debate.

Gabh mo leithscéal, a Thaoisigh——

If you have any allegations to make, make them here.

We are talking about the Deputy's friends. I will tell him who they are — Mr. Frank Conroy, his business partner. That is who I am talking about.

(Interruptions.)

On a point of order, the Taoiseach named a man, let him withdraw the remark.

On a point of order——

I ask all Deputies to resume their seats, I will not hear any points of order——

(Interruptions.)

Deputies, allow me to make my statement and I will then hear points of order. We all accept that everybody in the House was looking forward to this debate.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy Howlin, hold your laughter, so that we will attempt, by means of debate, to establish, inter alia, the truth of different situations. The order indicates that the two sides will have ample opportunity to state their respective cases. If we proceed in the fashion which manifested itself in the last few minutes we will not——

They started it over there.

I appeal to the House to proceed in a fashion which is characteristic of the highest standards of this House. I will now take points of order.

On a point of order, the Taoiseach made a reference of a very disparaging kind in relation to a person who is not in this House and who is not in a position to defend himself.

(Interruptions.)

I ask you, Sir, if you are prepared to ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that reference.

The Taoiseach, as well as other Members, has referred to people outside the House and I do not think the Chair has ever been asked to invite the Member who made the remark to withdraw it. The Chair does not accept it as a point of order.

Is the Taoiseach prepared to withdraw the remark?

I have sat in this Chamber on numerous occasions when I heard the Chair asking Members not to refer to people outside the House who were not here to defend themselves. The Taoiseach made a scurrilous allegation about one individual who happens to be in business with me. I do not know in what context this scurrilous allegation was made and I ask you, Sir, in the interests of common decency, to request the so-called Taoiseach to withdraw that remark.

This is sudden sensitivity.

Withdraw the remark.

Deputy Sheehan, if you cannot endure the proceedings, I ask you to remove yourself from the House.

I am only asking the Taoiseach to be a man.

The present campaign has brought business and professional life to a state of hysteria. There now exists an unhealthy aura of suspicion and distrust bordering on paranoia.

Because it was clear beyond doubt that I was not in even the remotest way personally involved in any of the events or transactions under investigation, nor connected with them in any way, the tactic was resorted to of attempting to attribute to me some kind of guilt by association. I would like to remind this House and all those involved in this attempt that civilized societies have always rejected the concept of guilt by association. The McCarthy era in the US should be a clear and salutary warning to them that society ultimately rejects those who engage in this ignominious trade.

I would, nevertheless, like to deal with the attempts which have been made in this area.

With regard to Dr. Michael Smurfit and Bernard Cahill, Chairman of Greencore, my relationship with them was almost exclusively of an official nature.

Yes, almost; I did meet them otherwise but my relationship with them was almost exclusively of an official nature. With regard to Mr. Comerford, Mr. Tully, Mr. Garavan, Mr. Keleghan and Mr. Lyons, I had no association of any kind with them. The political allegiances of the first two in particular are far removed from mine.

I have known Dermot Desmond personally for a number of years. I first came in contact with him when he put forward the idea of the establishment of an international financial services centre in Dublin. Fianna Fáil were in Opposition at that time; we adopted the idea and on return to Government set about establishing it.

The Taoiseach hijacked it from Shannon.

It has since been developed successfully to the point where 180 projects are setting up there with employment already in excess of 2,800. Later I was in contact with Mr. Desmond about the "Sail Ireland" project which involved entering an Irish boat for the Whitbread Round the World Yacht race. That brave venture which involved building a yacht of international status in Ballyfermot had widespread support throughout the business community and among the general public. I make no apologies for fully supporting it. It was a great national enterprise involving thousands of fine people and was up-front, open and above board. I had no relationship or association with Dermot Desmond in regard to any other matter in either the area of public administration or the private sector.

In the last few days, we have much play being made of what was on the face of it an extraordinary letter written by Mr. Desmond to the Chairman of Pernod-Ricard. The claims it seemed to make were patently absurd. The Government were careful to remain totally objective and maintain complete neutrality in the rival bidding for control of Irish Distillers. The whole take-over transaction and its implications, has already been fully dealt with and examined by the courts. There was no impropriety or irregularity. If there had been, this would have become evident in the court proceedings. The Revenue Commissioners simply made a statement, helpful to all the parties, clarifying the tax implications in question, provided — and only provided — the statutory requirements were observed. Such a statement is normal practice in taxation matters when it is desired to clarify tax liabilities.

I regard the purchase of Carysfort by UCD to provide a premises for a graduate business school as an entirely praiseworthy and progressive step.

What about the price.

The transaction was carried out in a perfectly straightforward manner and I was not involved in it. I gave it my full support because it fitted in perfectly with our commitment to the universities and in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress to facilitate the provision of a large number of extra places for those seeking admission to third level education.

I think the Taoiseach gave more than support.

I defy the Deputy to prove anything of that kind.

(Interruptions.)

It is cowardly to sit there muttering these false accusations. Deputy Quinn, and his colleagues, have had plenty of time over the last three weeks to say everything——

You transferred the questions to her.

Please do not call me "her".

I am stating here—

Deputy Quinn, I think you have inadvertently lowered your standards in the manner in which you referred to the Minister for Education.

I apologise unreservedly to the Minister for Education for referring to her as "her".

It does not change the facts.

I gave it my full support, because it fitted in perfectly with our commitment to the universities and in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress to facilitate the provision of a large number of extra places for those seeking admission to third level education.

I have already made clear, and I repeat here again categorically, that no person or company ever received any favourable treatment or consideration in their dealings with Government because of personal friendships or associations. In fact, they could not. The position with regard to the awarding of Government contracts for consultancies and services of that nature has already been clearly outlined. In the Civil Service the principle of competitive tendering and of seeking a minimum of three tenders is required under current Government contract procedures, contained in a code of practice laid down by the Department of Finance. Firm procedures will be put in place to ensure that the same principle applies in State companies.

This is a Government of absolute integrity. I reject totally any allegations to the contrary, and, when all the investigations have been completed, it will be established that there was no Government or ministerial involvement of any kind in any of the transactions or events being investigated. Those who have engaged in this disreputable campaign of rumours, allegations and innuendoes have done a grievous disservice to our parliamentary democracy. They should be thoroughly ashamed of their efforts because despite what has happened, taking it all fully into account I assert that the standards of Government and public administration in this country are as high as those prevailing anywhere in the world.

Furthermore, I think it is equally important that I should at this stage make clear my belief that while these totally unacceptable events have undoubtedly occurred their extent has been hyped up and exaggerated out of all proportion, because it is my belief that the overwhelming majority of business and professional people in this country are people of integrity whose standards of conduct are above reproach.

I have now been under personal character attack for 12 years, from the very day I first became Taoiseach. I have endured these personal attacks in the knowledge that I had nothing to fear or conceal. In all those 12 years, my detractors have failed to substantiate one single accusation against me, but this has not deterred them. These attacks on me personally have had the basic objective also of damaging the Fianna Fáil Party. But they have failed in their principal aim, to deter me from applying myself to the best of my ability to the better welfare of my fellow citizens, which should be the aim of everyone in political life.

My party and I are proud of what we have contributed to the well-being of this country. We have not succeeded in all we would like to do but all over Ireland, there are people who have benefited from ideas and policies of ours whether they be the old and infirm; those on social welfare; the lower-paid, those in need of better health services; small farmers; those in need of housing, and many others.

In this Government and in Fianna Fáil we have no concern, we hold no brief, for that comparatively small group of persons in our society who behave dishonourably, who break the rules, who abuse the trust and confidence placed in them by the rest of us. Any illegalities, malpractice or unprofessional behaviour will be uncovered and disclosed, and all appropriate action will be taken. Nobody will be protected from the consequences of their actions. It is only in this way that public trust and confidence in our financial and business systems can be fully restored.

This Government and Fianna Fáil's concern is not for the dishonest few but for the decent majority. It is our responsibility to protect the interests of the taxpayers, the poorer, weaker sections of our community, the good name of our Irish business financial and professional sectors, to work constantly with legitimate business interests for economic progress and to promote projects which will provide jobs, to establish and maintain standards and safeguards in Government administration in the semi-State sector and in business and financial affairs. We will discharge that responsibility, and we will not be deterred by this current massive, unscrupulous campaign of vilification.

It is very detrimental to the legitimate work and purpose of Government that either politicians or the media should seek without any justification whatever to misconstrue and misrepresent the normal activities of Government Ministers in a way that has been attempted in recent weeks. It is both legitimate and necessary for industrialists and commercial leaders to have access to Ministers in matters of common concern in economic and social policy areas.

Ministers must not disregard any opportunity to secure investment and advance valuable economic projects. Similarly, leaders of professional bodies and trade unions, community leaders and representatives of all kinds of organisations frequently meet with Ministers on matters of concern to them. To suggest, as has now become the practice with a number of Deputies in this House, that there is something wrong with such contacts or something improper about them is completely irresponsible. It is an entirely new malicious practice in our political life largely orchestrated by The Workers' Party for their own sinister reasons, which seeks by innuendo to cast some sort of suspicion over meetings which are in themselves entirely appropriate and legitimate. For the first time also members of the Government have been personally attacked as being responsible for decisions and events within semi-State bodies.

Deputy Rabbitte has played a leading role in the more pernicious aspects of the campaign. He has been the RTE anchorman appearing daily with some new false allegation or innuendo.

That is not true.

His political agenda seems to be one of furtive phone calls, clandestine meetings with some disaffected, disloyal employees——

Has the Taoiseach been listening in to them?

——passing over stolen documents. It is the sort of politics that we know all too well fits in with his Marxist philosophy and was practised by his former associates in Eastern Europe.

The Taoiseach is back to his old ways.

Deputy Rabbitte has put down a series of questions to me demanding to know if I have had meetings with various people.

The Taoiseach has transferred them all.

All these people are well known in Irish public life. I would now like to ask the Deputy in this House to tell us about some of the people not so well known whom he and his leader have been meeting.

They are equally well known.

The chief of staff of the Official IRA.

(Interruptions.)

The one thing I have learned is that I am not intimidated by threatening gestures by Deputy McCartan.

(Interruptions.)

I do not propose, a Cheann Comhairle, in deference to your ruling, to comment in detail on matters currently under investigation, except to say that the Government have acted swiftly, decisively and correctly——

Every matter of public interest is under investigation.

——to pursue and uncover every aspect of the truth and to take whatever remedial action is appropriate. There has been no favouritism, no protection afforded to anyone from the legitimate pursuit of these inquiries.

There is one matter of public policy, which I would like to place on record. The normal practice, as regards the relations between a commercial State-sponsored body and the relevant Minister is that the Government appoint boards of directors, who are then given a large measure of commercial freedom in the management of the company. The level of autonomy enjoyed has been consistent with the legislation and considered appropriate for the job to be done. This practice has been followed by successive Governments in relation to the commercial affairs of State companies. State-sponsored bodies, therefore, would not normally consult with or obtain the approval of Government Departments for individual commercial decisions, unless there were specific Exchequer or major strategic implications.

I wish to make it clear to this House and to the country that the current attempts to destabilise and undermine this Government have not succeeded and will not succeed. This Government are fully in charge of the nation's affairs. We are clear about the nature and extent of the problems which confront the Government and the country. We are equally clear about what must be done to see the country safely through these difficulties and resume the pattern of progress which this Government and their Fianna Fáil predecessor have so firmly established. I assure this House and the country that we have the capacity and determination to guide this nation safely through this difficult period as we have done on so many occasions in the past.

The Opposition parties may think that policies do not matter any more, that they are better employed searching for new scandals or attending tribunals, but this Government intend to concentrate on the real problems facing the country. This Government have formulated and are implementing a comprehensive complement of policies covering every area of administration. Our contribution to the debate in the European Community on political, economic and monetary union is strong and coherent and in the best interests of the Community and of Ireland.

The implementation of the National Development Plan, using £3 billion of Structural Funds aid, is steadily improving the national infrastructure, roads, harbours, airports and transport. The Programme for Economic and Social Progress has both created the climate for progress and outlined a major programme of specific measures for economic and social advance. In my Ard-Fheis speech this year I outlined a major programme of social reform and advance. Our careful control of the public finances and our clear intention of pursuing the objectives set out in the Programme for Economic and Social Progress of reductions in borrowing and achieving a broad balance on current account, are an essential part of our strategy for good Government.

The newly revised programme for government between the two Government parties will update our range of policies and take our plans forward a further stage.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): When?

The issues that are at present disturbing the public mind will be investigated fully and dealt with fully. But the business of the nation must go on.

The show must go on.

We intend to implement our programme over the next two-and-a-half years and then go before the people for their decision. We have an important job to do. We must provide the Irish people with an effective, capable Government for the next two-and-a-half years. We know from our own experience since 1987 that maintaining a level of popularity at any particular stage is not what is important. Providing good government is our task; we will provide it, and public support will follow.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

I am seeking the support of this House for the Government on the basis of our programme for government and on the certainty that this Government are infinitely better than any other combination of parties in this House; that we are capable of maintaining the progress of recent years, of tackling the difficulties and bringing the country safely through the present difficulties and on to a better future.

The last hurrah.

We are having this confidence debate because the Government have undermined confidence in the political system and confidence in our institutions. They have undermined the confidence of the Irish people in themselves. The Government, by producing a fraudulent budget in 1991, laid the foundation for the undermining of the national finances. This Government in the way they negotiated the Programme for Economic and Social Progress knowingly made commitments that the State could not afford. They deceived people. They undermined the trust on which good industrial relations is based. This Government, by forcing spending Estimates through without examination and all in one vote last July, undermined the constitutional role of Dáil Éireann.

This Government, sleepwalking through a world-wide economic recession, have presided over the highest level of unemployment and emigration in the history of the State. This Government, in their culture of clever deals and clientelist politics, have lowered standards and contaminated other parts of our society. This Government have abandoned the agricultural community to their fate in Europe, without tabling any alternative to the MacSharry proposals. This Government have allowed the housing problem to grow to the point that we now have 30,000 families in bad housing conditions waiting to be housed. That is the legacy after their four years in office.

This Government have become profoundly unpopular, not because of recent scandals but because those scandals have awakened people to the fact that their Government react to events rather than seek to shape them. The Government reacted to the scandals with a spate of partial investigations but they did not prevent the scandals in the first place through proper ministerial supervision of Government bodies. They reacted with surprise and bafflement to the dramatic growth in unemployment this year, with a spate of task forces but never had and do not now have any coherent employment strategy for next year, the year after or the rest of the century.

They reacted with a series of ill-considered radio interviews to the fact that their 1991 budget, predictably, went off the rails. They followed this instant reaction with inconclusive discussions with the social partners. It is clear now, despite all we have heard, that the Government's entire budgetary strategy has collapsed and they have nothing to put in its place. The 1992 budget is looming, bills must be met but the Government have not begun to consider how they will be met. That is a measure of the Government's loss of a sense of coherence and direction.

As Northern Ireland moves deeper and deeper into sectarian conflict with one murder following another, the Irish Government just sit and occasionally react to the latest move by the British Secretary of State, but they have no policy of their own, and have not had one for the past four years. Neither do they appear to care very much one way or another.

And, probably worst of all in its long-term seriousness, this Government again react helplessly to the latest proposals from others on the shape of the new Europe, on the Common Agricultural Policy, and on the latest proposal on European defence. Again, they have no policy of their own on any of these matters. They have not produced an Irish White Paper on how the new federal Europe should be structured. They are drifting into European defence commitments, with no concept of why they are doing so, apart from a vague and pathetic wish not to be seen to be left out of the club. That is about the depth of the Government's consideration of European issues.

In the real sense of the word, Ireland does not now have a Government. We have Ministers, we have an impressive Government office, much more impressive than four years ago, we have black cars going to official openings, but we do not have anybody planning the nation's future, or at least for more than 48 hours ahead.

Perhaps the most expressive photograph in 1991 of "Mr. Haughey's Ireland," to use the title of a television programme, is that of people, middleaged as well as young, queuing up in Dublin's historic GPO to post off applications for Morrison visas, to get out of here as quickly as possible to the recession-ridden United States. That is the extent of their confidence in "Mr. Haughey's Ireland" after four years of Fianna Fáil.

Even the much touted successes of the earlier years are now seen to have been superficial. The large growth rate of the 1987-88 period is now revealed by students of economics to have been little more than the release of pent-up consumer savings. A large part of the budgetary economies of 1987-89 came from simply postponing pay commitments to the then distant "future". That future has now arrived, the bills must now be paid, and the so-called achievements of earlier years are seen in their true context, postponements, of problems. A large part of the other budgetary economies of that time were also achieved through postponements, postponements of hospital buildings, postponements of school buildings and postponements of house building. All will have to be built eventually but most assuredly by a different Government.

Indeed the most notable feature of the 1987-89 period was the Tallaght Strategy wherein, for the first time in the nation's history, the main Opposition party offered constructive co-operation to a minority Government in the national interest. It says much about the core values of Fianna Fáil that they rejected this new approach in a petulant fashion at the earliest possible opportunity. It also says a great deal about the core values of the Progressive Democrats now absent from the House that they spent those two years doing their very best to sabotage the Tallaght Strategy.

At least the two parties now in Government have that much in common. Neither party in the period 1987 to 1989 had any appreciation of the national interest. Indeed, both parties deservedly lost seats in the subsequent general election. Neither of them have any real regard for the national interest at the present time, otherwise they would not be carrying on the destabilising charade that we have witnessed during the past 13 weeks.

Throughout the past four years there has been virtually no structural reform of the economy, of our institutions or of public spending. Despite promises, there has been no local government reform. Our system is still centralised and our elected councillors have been reduced to being little more then temporary unpaid public relations officers for permanent officialdom.

There has been no reform of the public service. There has been no public service reform Bill, as the Government led by Deputy FitzGerald had planned. There is no reward for exceptional services performed by permanent officials. There is no delegation of formal responsibility to named officials. There is just the continuance of the old system under which all power theoretically resides in the Minister's office, and nothing gets done.

Nor has there been any overall reform of the health service in the past four years. It is still an illness service. It is still hospital centred. It is still over-administered and under-managed. The present Taoiseach still does not hear the message that so much took him by surprise in the middle of the 1989 general election. He could see no crisis in the health service then, just as he could see no jobs crisis earlier this year.

There has been no fundamental educational reform. After four years the Minister for Education is still talking about producing discussion documents. We have had no Education Act, no educational accountability, no educational targets, no comparisons with other countries and no statutory body set up to set and examine the curriculum. After four years the system is still driven by written exams alone. Children are still dropping out of school too early. Access to third level education is still grossly unfair — unfair to those of limited means, and unfair in particular to those whose parents are in the PAYE sector. There is no money to put this right, we are told, but there is money — nearly £10 million — to take Carysfort College off the hands of a friend.

There has been talk of tax reform — enough talk to make people unsure about the future, unsure, in particular, about the future of mortgage interest relief, and thus reluctant, perhaps, to invest in a home. But there has not been much actual tax reform. In a country with a huge shortage of work we tax work in such a way as to make sure that we have even less of it than we had previously. Ireland's tax system, in a country with record levels of unemployment is, quite simply, perverse.

The entire structure of our rural life is about to be devastated. Thousands of PAYE jobs in the food industry are to be destroyed by the MacSharry proposals, without any mention from Commissioner MacSharry of compensation for those PAYE people who lose their jobs. However, this Irish Government have no policy or plan for the future of Irish agriculture, no more than they have tabled any alternative proposals to those put forward by Commissioner MacSharry. They are willing to sit and agree meekly with those proposals, apart from making a few public relations gestures for domestic consumption. Indeed, as all of that happens the same Government are allowing our food industry's remaining good name to be destroyed by intervention scandals, by angel dust and by the failure to eradicate bovine TB.

Meanwhile, however, in Government Buildings it is party politics as usual — Chinese politics, it seems. The Progressive Democrats are like Mao Tse-Tung. He believed in perpetual revolution. They believe in perpetual renegotiation. They cannot make up their minds whether they are part of the Government. They have two voices — one for the Cabinet Room and another for the public gallery. As for the Taoiseach, he sees himself as some sort of ancient Chinese leader who goes on and on and on and on — a depressing self-obsession.

I shall not refer to the content of the Taoiseach's rather foolish speech made in the House today, beyond saying that he made many references to and innuendoes about people who could not defend themselves and then made a reference to a person who is not here in the House, did not elaborate the charge he was making and did not have the grace to withdraw the charge when he was challenged. That says a lot about the extent to which the Taoiseach has thought through what he is doing in this House. I suppose the most charitable thing that could be said about the Taoiseach's speech is that it was in its content and its delivery indicative of the desperate position in which he finds himself.

But let me turn to more fundamental issues. The recent spate of scandals arose precisely because we do not have a proper system of accountable parliamentary democracy in Dáil Éireann. If the Dáil had proper powers of scrutiny, and if the Government and State bodies had felt themselves to be genuinely accountable to the House on an ongoing basis in the past four years, then none of those scandals would ever have happened. It is because the Dáil has not been reformed, because the Dáil does not have the means to call Ministers and State bodies to account before decisions are taken that there has been this depressing and damaging succession of scandals. The source of the problem lies ultimately in the unreformed nature of this House.

Last July £6 billion of taxpayers' money was approved here, at the Government's request and with the agreement of other parties, in a single Vote, without a single item of spending being scrutinised. That done, this Government then sent the entire House off on holidays for three months. If that is the way this House treats the approval of the spending of £6 billion, is it any wonder that State companies have acquired a rather light-hearted way of dealing with the expenditure of a mere £1 million or £2 million? The problem starts here in this House. Neither Ministers nor permanent officials are ever asked to come before a committee of this House to explain before they spend taxpayers' money why they propose to spend it in a particular way. There is no parliament in Europe where that would be the case except this one. As elected representatives we are uniquely irresponsible. That is why we continue to have scandals. That is why this party are determined to take office in this country in order to reform Dáil Éireann and our political system. Until that happens we will have the risk continuing of a recurrence of the sort of situation that has done so much damage in this country over the last two months. Of course in this House we are great, and indeed this Government are particularly good, at ordering inquiries and looking for papers after the harm has been done, when the money is already misspent. That would not be necessary if the Dáil had been allowed do its job properly in the first place. Again, because Ministers themselves are not held accountable here in this House, in turn they do not feel any need to hold State boards responsible for accounting to them until it is too late. That is the price we pay for not having a proper working committee system here in Dáil Éireann.

Facing an exploding jobs crisis earlier this year Fine Gael, a party of 55 Deputies, formally proposed the establishment of an all-party forum on jobs, indeed a call that was supported by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. It is a measure of the contempt in which this Taoiseach holds the Dáil and its Members that he did not even have the manners to reply to that offer from the second largest party in the House in the face of a jobs crisis of historic proportions.

Next year the Irish people will vote in a referendum to approve a fundamental change in the constitution of the European Community. That is what it is behind all the gobbledegook about Inter-Governmental Conferences; it is a new constitution for a new Europe. Much of this has been agreed already behind closed doors. Yet no one in this House, this sovereign Assembly, has been allowed to examine, let alone debate, any of the many drafts of this new European Treaty. This House has not been allowed — and will not be allowed as long as this Government remain in office — to make any contribution towards getting the best deal possible for Ireland. Yet the final treaty is to be settled in Maastricht — again behind closed doors — no more than seven weeks from now. The pattern is the same as with all the other issues to which I have just referred. Because this House is not holding the Government to account over their policy on Europe, the Government do not actually need to have a policy and this Government do not have any policy as far as this new development in Europe is concerned. As a result — I say this carefully in the hope that all in this House will listen — we may well be heading for a national disaster in the referendum on the new European Constitution next year. If that happens it will be because Dáil Éireann was not involved in the process and public opinion was not prepared for what the public will be asked to agree next year.

Of course, this lack of accountability suits the Taoiseach's very personal style of government — nothing on paper; no Cabinet minutes; just a quite telephone call, radio interview or, more often, the knowing glare and the job is done; no trace left behind. The muck sticks to other people, disposable people. And the people around him, the 77 Fianna Fáil Deputies, are prepared to go on putting up with this. Well, the Irish people are not prepared to put up with it any longer. That is the message from this House and from my party in this debate; it is time to go.

(Interruptions.)

Why did NCB get all those consultancies without open tender, including one from the Department of Energy? Why was UCD asked to buy Carysfort, not when it was available at a low price, but later on when it was almost £2 million dearer and when nobody else wanted to buy it? Why did that happen? Why can State board chairmen be sacked on radio without a Cabinet meeting to discuss whether that should happen? The answer to all three questions is quite simple. Under the present Taoiseach Ireland does not have accountable Cabinet Government. We have personal Government. In the final analysis it will be the fault of every one of us here in Dáil Éireann, including the Deputies on the Fianna Fáil backbenches, if that continues for much longer. Indeed, in every sense, public life is now dominated by what I would describe as the culture of the deal — a quiet deal to take the Johnston Mooney and O'Brien site off Mr. Desmond's hands; a quiet deal to ensure that Mr. Desmond's "Sail Ireland" got a large amount of public sponsorship from Government companies already deeply in debt, a quiet deal with the social partners about matters that are the proper responsibility of elected representatives in this House. And now, it is hoped, a quiet deal, or perhaps not such a quiet deal, with Deputy Desmond O'Malley, Minister for Industry and Commerce.

It seems to me now that it is not just the detail that is wrong as far as this Government are concerned; it is the whole culture. As Eastern Europe opens up long-shut cupboards to the rigours of parliamentary democracy and to open market competition we here, at the very western extreme of Europe, are setting out in the opposite direction to keep our elected Parliament in the dark about all-important matters, to take business decisions, not on the basis of competitive efficiency but rather on the basis — to use the famous phrase in the recently published letter — of "political contacts". We are going in precisely the opposite direction, in so far as opening up our society, to that which the newly democratised countries of Eastern Europe are travelling.

Of course in this debate we will be told there are investigations under way and that we should not prejudge them. I prejudge nothing. I speak simply on the basis of the facts that are already known and uncontested. On the basis of those facts I assert that this Government are rotten to the core and should go. In any event, the investigations they now propose are only partial and inadequate investigations of some, but not all, of the allegations. For example, the Telecom inquiry does not specifically include the Findlater House building or the Merrion Road building. The Telecom inspector does not have the power of access to bank accounts. Without access to bank accounts, to the "money trail", so to speak, one cannot actually find out, in modern commercial arrangements, who is really benefiting from any particular deal. In this surreal world of Cypriot companies, of mysterious shareholders and interlocking transactions the truth is whatever the man who is paying one's bill says it is. The inspectors appointed by the Minister for Industry and Commerce have not been given the power to go behind that and follow bank accounts as they must if they are to get to the truth.

Of course — and the Taoiseach made a few references to me during this debate about an allegation I made — the allegation I made, one which has been entirely substantiated by Aer Lingus, in respect of the leak of Aer Lingus information to Celtic Helicopters, is not being investigated either. There is no need to investigate it; the case is proven. Neither is there an investigation into the amazing decision subsequently to appoint Mr. Dermot Desmond Chairman of Aer Rianta despite the fact that the Tánaiste, and other Ministers, knew what had happened. Nor indeed is there any investigation into the circumstances in which the Minister for the Environment instructed Dublin County Council to initiate a special pipeline across the Taoiseach's land. Not only do these investigations not cover these important matters, and thus are ridiculously limited, but the Government's other proposals in response to these scandals have been entirely unconvincing. There was no mention of a serious fraud office until after Fine Gael had called for it. There was no mention of chairmen "stepping aside" until after Fine Gael had called for that also; even the precise words used were borrowed. There was no mention of an ethics code until Fine Gael and other Opposition parties had called for that. Significantly, the hastily proposed ethics code is to apply to State boards, but not to Ministers. I wonder why.

There are many Members who are fearful of a general election. There are people outside this House who profess themselves worried about what they describe as "instability". Let me ask those people a serious question. What, in all seriousness, could be more unstable than the attempted continuance of this Government for another two years? No decisions will be taken, planning will stop. Those who want no change in any area are always talking about "instability". This is the most unstable Government this country could possibly have at this juncture in our national history.

Any Government who could spend 13 weeks debating whether they could continue or not and then only make up their minds after a confidence debate has started are profoundly unstable. If a political scientist wants to find an example of a government which is inherently unstable, then this Government represent that example. This is not the first time. Throughout the past two years there has been a recurring series of "high noons" and last minute stand-offs. This has created continuing instability and it will continue with ever greater intensity, no matter what is agreed or not agreed today, tomorrow or next week, for as long as this Government lasts. In today's case this stand-off has actually led to substantial outflows of funds because of the instability and uncertainty created by the fact that the Government cannot make up their minds whether to stay together or not. These outflows of money can be documented. It is costing this country money and much of this money will never come back. If this Government continue in office, this sort of thing will go on happening month after month. It is not good for the country. The Progressive Democrats are not serving either their party's or their nation's interests by keeping the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, in power. They know that and their supporters know it.

As long as this Government continue, survival will be the sole guiding principle. The entire drama will be about one individual, not about the needs and aspirations of 3.5 million people who want to feel that this is their country and that it is a country to be proud of. That is something they do not feel today.

A Cheann Comhairle, I should like to say to Deputy Haughey directly, you and your associates, by staying on in office, are stifling the regeneration of this country; you are a barrier on the road; you are a reminder of past vanities, a hangover from an earlier era, it is time for you to go.

If Members want to form an alternative Government they can and will do it. That is what the Irish people want them to do. Of course smaller parties may protest that they would like someone else to do the job. They might suggest that someone else should put Fianna Fáil back into office after the next election. Supporters of all the parties in this House, apart from supporters of Fianna Fáil, do not want to see Fianna Fáil back in office after the next election with the support of anybody. I can confidently assert that there will be no party in this House who will wish to see Fianna Fáil back in office after the next election. Whatever honest differences there are among the parties, there will be no party in this House who will collaborate in putting Fianna Fáil back into office after what we have seen in the past two years. The Progressive Democrats will not do it. The Workers' Party will not do it and the Independents will not do it. The Labour Party will not do it and the Fine Gael Party will not do it. Our supporters do not want to see Fianna Fáil back in office and they will not let us put them back in office.

We will put in place a Government who will not be led by Fianna Fáil. That is what the people now want and that is necessarily and inevitably what they will get. That Government will restore the faith of Irish people in themselves. It will tackle long-ignored social problems in our community, including the problem of marriage breakdown. That Government will tackle Ireland's endemic unemployment problem with a coherent set of measures and will be committed to sound fiscal policies which are the inevitable necessity for membership of a single European currency area. They will be a Government who will reform the Dáil and give everybody's representative, including the Opposition Fianna Fáil Deputies, a chance to do a constructive job.

Like 1984-7.

The Fine Gael Party are ready and willing to take up this challenge whenever it arises. We have the confidence to know that we can do the job and we will do it immeasurably better than the present Government. We will restore stability to public life. Above all we will restore to the Irish people sufficient sense of pride in their country that they will want to live and work here.

I call Deputy Quinn.

I think Deputy Roche wants to speak next.

(Interruptions.)

I have called Deputy Quinn.

The Taoiseach in his speech this afternoon outlined his vision of the country he seemed to perceive from the distance at which he views it. I strongly urge him not to get off the mythical horse of Tír na nÓg for fear that his vision may turn to stone. The country the Taoiseach described is not the country in which I am living. The country the Taoiseach eulogised is not the country which the pickets outside his palatial offices tried to bring to his attention as he drove into work, proclaiming that there are 258,700 people unemployed. The country the Taoiseach eulogised is not the one I recognise in Dublin City Council where there are queues of people looking for housing and money from the Department of the Environment who have resolutely refused them the money to build houses. The same Department, as Deputy Callely will be aware, has not even given us the legislative framework within which to administer the grand sum of 150 housing loans to deal with a queue of 30,000 families. I do not know what country Deputy Haughey thinks he is Taoiseach of but it certainly is not this land. If the speech he made today is a true reflection of his perception of where this country is at, we have more problems than I thought we had when this debate started.

This Government are a failed political entity. I hope the Taoiseach recognises the phrase. They have already lost the confidence of the farmers, the unemployed, public sector workers and the entire business community. Significantly, the Government have also lost the support of a number of Fianna Fáil Deputies and very few of the Progressive Democrats have a good word to say about them. In short, the Government have lost the confidence of the people and we believe they should now lose the confidence of the Dáil.

This country needs a new start and a new direction if we are to tackle the social and economic problems which now confront us but we must start with the Government. They simply must go. They are tired, dispirited and divided. The two parties in Government no longer trust themselves or each other.

Debate adjourned.
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