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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 10 Dec 1991

Vol. 414 No. 4

Land Bond Bill, 1991: Committee and Final Stages.

Section 1 agreed to.
SECTION 2.
Question proposed: "That section 2 stand part of the Bill."

Many speakers on this side of the House asked the Minister if he could give us a time-scale in regard to the introduction of the Bill to dissolve the Land Commission. However, in his reply to Second Stage he did not answer that question. We have been co-operative but we would like reciprocation by way of information as to when the Bill will be introduced because it is the nub of the issue.

We were told that land purchased by the Land Commission from individuals was paid for in land bonds. Unfortunately, the people repaying money to the Land Commission — or to the Department of Agriculture and Food acting on behalf of the Land Commission — have to pay for it in hard cash and this is what is causing the difficulty. The Minister dismissed the view expressed not just from this side of the House but from the Government side that there is a necessity for setting up a land authority, to introduce a land policy and to have a land use division in the Department of Agriculture and Food on the demise of the Land Commission. It is not sufficient for the Minister to say that our agricultural land policy is dictated by the Common Agricultural Policy because that policy is coming a part at the seams. We need something in place to decide how the land should be used, how much should be used for growing cereal, producing beef and milk and — the biggest and most vexed question of all — how much will be used in future for afforestation. Will afforestation account for major land use? If so, to what extent?

There is a glaring contradiction, which was not alluded to by the Minister during the debate, which pinpoints what I am saying. At present we are still getting considerable grants from the State and the EC to reclaim mediocre or marginal land while, at the same time, the EC is proposing that people in this country and throughout the EC should be paid considerable sums of money not to farm the best of land — they call it "set aside". That specific example illustrates the contradictions and the necessity for a land authority, land policy and a land use division in the Department of Agriculture and Food. We do not know where we are going; the Common Agricultural Policy is in its death throes. We are in a major transitional period at present which will probably last for several years and yet we are refusing to admit in this House that changes are taking place. The Minister of State should convey to the Minister — who should have been here for this debate because it is of immense importance — that the Members of Dáil Éireann expect a policy on land use and on agriculture because we can no longer depend on the Common Agricultural Policy which is disintegrating before our eyes.

I am not in a position to say when the Land Commission (Dissolution) Bill will be introduced. Naturally, it is under consideration and is on the Dáil Order Paper. However, I cannot speculate on the date it will be introduced.

I am sorry the Deputy misinterpreted what I said in relation to the idea of a land authority. I said that if those putting forward the idea of such an authority got down to specifics of their operation their cause would be much more credible. It is all very well to have an authority in place but if they cannot effect the changes deemed necessary for the agricultural industry or to pursue a desirable land policy it is pointless. They should also have the wherewithal to implement proposals. I said that land use — as distinct from land policy — is dictated by what happens in the context of the Common Agricultural Policy. If our policies are pursued at that level they immediately come back through the system and affect the decision making process of individual farmers here. As I said earlier, what we are discussing here could be more properly discussed in the context of the debate on the dissolution of the Land Commission when that Bill comes before the House.

Question put and agreed to.
Question, "That sections 3 to 8, inclusive, and the Title are hereby agreed to in Committee and the Bill is accordingly reported to the House without amendment and, no amendments having been offered to the Bill on report, the Bill is hereby passed", put and agreed to.
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