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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 30 Jan 1992

Vol. 415 No. 2

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Social Welfare Payments Take-up.

Emmet Stagg

Question:

3 Mr. Stagg asked the Minister for Social Welfare if he has considered the findings of the report Benefit Take Up by the free legal aid centres which was funded by the Combat Poverty Agency and in particular the findings that in some areas up to 90 per cent of people entitled to some form of social welfare payment are not taking them up; if he will outline (a) the take-up rates for all the various social assistance and means tested schemes, and (b) the steps he will take to ensure the highest possible take-up rate; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Paul Connaughton

Question:

5 Mr. Connaughton asked the Minister for Social Welfare if he will outline the extent of the non-take-up of various social welfare benefits by persons who are clearly eligible for such schemes; if his Department have done any investigation of the reasons for this development; and the steps he intends to take to rectify the matter.

I propose to take Questions Nos. 3 and 5 together.

Take-up rates for each social assistance scheme are not available. In relation to take-up levels generally the Economic and Social Research Institute estimated in 1989 that 3.1 per cent of households appeared to be entitled to some form of payment, but did not claim. The payments to which these people appeared to be entitled included unemployment assistance, supplementary welfare allowance and family income supplement. This finding was based on a large-scale national survey.

The free legal advice centres report on benefit take-up presented the results from a small survey, 103 households, in a specific area where 74 per cent of heads of households were already in receipt of social welfare payments. This should be borne in mind when considering how representative the results might be.

In relation to the report finding that 85 per cent out of the 103 householders showed possible non take-up of at least one benefit, the largest proportion of possible under take-up benefit cases, 42 per cent in all, were supplementary welfare allowance exceptional needs payments. These payments are made on a discretionary basis and therefore it cannot be known beforehand whether a person will qualify. In each case the community welfare officer decides whether it is reasonable in the circumstances of the particular case to make a payment.

Further funding has been made available by my Department to the Economic and Social Research Institute, through the Combat Poverty Agency, to undertake research into the question of non take up of social welfare payment. The fieldwork for this study has been carried out and the results are currently being processed. The published report is expected next summer. When I have this additional information on the reason for non take-up of benefits, I will consider further the measures which need to be taken to address the problem.

The free legal advice centres report referred to in the question gives recognition to the work of my Department in the area of attempting to encourage benefit take-up. My Department's information service aims to ensure that all citizens are aware of their social welfare entitlements and have easy access to social welfare information when they need it. Our goal is to provide relevant, timely and accurate information. We continually seek to identify new ways of getting information on our services to those who need it.

Last week I initiated the use of AERTEL as a way of informing the public of our services. The publication of social welfare services on AERTEL makes information on these matter available to some 94 per cent of households throughout the country.

Information on the services available from my Department is provided through a network of 43 information offices in all regions of the country. These offices provide a personal and confidential service to clients. An extensive selection of leaflets and fact sheets on all aspects of the services provided is published and available from my Department's local offices.

All developments and improvements in social welfare services are widely advertised using an appropriate mix of media, including newspapers, national and local radio, television, specialist magazines, billboards and posters. FREEFONE services and direct mail-shots are used where appropriate. This week, for instance, we are operating a budget FREEFONE on 1800 389 389. This will operate both on Thursday and Friday between the hours of 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. to answer questions which members of the public may have on social welfare matters arising from the budget.

Would the Minister not agree that people living in a specific area where 75 per cent of heads of household were found to be in receipt of social welfare payments, are more likely to be aware of their entitlements and that it was in such an area that FLAC found 90 per cent of people were not in receipt of all their entitlements? Would he not further agree that there must be something radically wrong with the information systems, despite the best efforts of the Department — I recognise the new changes in that regard — when such a large number of people are still not getting their entitlements under the law?

I could offer an opinion but I would prefer to wait until I have all the facts on the reasons payments are not being taken up. We should use opportunities such as this as well as the media, including television and local radio, to make people aware of their entitlements. Not only are we using AERTEL as a novel and good way of getting the message across to people, we are also using the Noticeboard on Network 2. That service was launched recently. Today the Notice-board carries full details of the new increases. I do not know the reason people do not claim their entitlements. A substantial number of claims are made, including some frivolous ones, from time to time. The best thing that we could do is to wait until we have more detailed information on the reasons people are not making applications or taking up benefits. As I said, if we can make further improvements at that stage we will do so.

I acknowledge that in recent years the Department have made the benefits available more widely known. Having regard to the fact that local radio is listened to in every home in the country — a phenomenon of this particular age — I would ask the Minister to try to get local social welfare officials to speak on certain programmes.

I agree fully with Deputy Connaughton in that regard. We availed of local radio yesterday to make the details of the new changes known to as wide a listenership as possible. We will also make available to people——

Did the Minister tell them the bad news yesterday in regard to the taxation of social welfare benefits?

The Deputy misrepresented the position a few weeks ago and I do not think he should go down that avenue again.

The Minister was listening.

I do not think that is even the policy of the Deputy's party. We will avail of every opportunity to make people aware of their entitlements. I am certain that local radio will play an important role in this regard. I would like to thank them for their co-operation and the help they have given us so far. We will make available professional people who will be able to give expert advice and information to the general public. One of the difficulties is that at times people who do not have specialist knowledge can create confusion with the result that people can get wrong information which leads to problems being created for them later. Each of us is aware of the number of occasions on which we have to deal with such cases.

Deputy Stagg, a brief question, because the time available for priority questions is pretty well exhausted.

May I ask the Minister if he will consider doing two things? First, will he publish the guidelines relating to the supplementary welfare allowance scheme or get his colleague to publish them? Second, when people apply for a basic payment much information is made available to the Department. Would the Minister consider, on foot of this information, advising them that they may be entitled to other benefits and give them the necessary information? This is done in the case of old age pensions at present.

Those appear to be sensible suggestions. I will certainly convey the views of Deputy Stagg to the people directly responsible for providing this service in my Department to ensure that this is done in so far as it is possible to do so. These are specialist areas at times and this may not be the best way of getting information across. As the Deputy is aware, we have to deal with many schemes for which different regulations and conditions apply.

We must now proceed to other questions; Question No. 6, please.

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