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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 6 Jul 1993

Vol. 433 No. 5

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Appointment of Women to State Boards.

Liz McManus

Question:

6 Ms McManus asked the Minister for Equality and Law Reform if, in view of his statement to the Select Committee on Legislation and Security during the consideration of the Estimate for his Department that there is now in place, by way of Government decision, a requirement that women make up 40 per cent of new appointments to boards, he will give the procedures, if any, that are in place to monitor such appointments to ensure that they comply with the Government decision; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

As stated in the Programme for Government, it is intended to follow a radical programme of affirmative action in appointing women to State boards with the objective of achieving a minimum of 40 per cent of both men and women among the direct Government nominees within four years. Progress towards this target will be monitored closely.

The Minister has not answered my question. My question relates to a statement the Minister made at the Select Committee on Legislation and Security. I stated that I did not see much difference between this Government and the previous Government in respect of equality. The Minister replied by saying that one of the differences was a commitment by this Government that all State boards would have a 40 per cent gender balance. That is a separate matter from the Joint Programme for Government. I tabled the question in relation to the Minister's statement. Since the Minister made that statement other Ministers appear to have disregarded it and are treating it as a guideline——

I am anxious to facilitate the Deputy in eliciting information but she must proceed by way of supplementary questions.

Is the Minister not aware that other Ministers are treating his statement as a guideline and are refusing to meet the commitment he made to the committee? The Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht is the only Minister I am aware of who has enshrined this provision in legislation in relation to the RTE Authority. Would the Minister agree that the county enterprise boards appear to have less than a 40 per cent gender balance? The principle the Minister said is a commitment by the Government is only a guideline——

The Deputy's questioning is too long and constitutes in the main statements.

As reported on page 98 of the report of the Select Committee on Legislation and Security, I stated that a strategy of positive action has also been set in train to achieve gender balance for the next four years in appointments to boards of State bodies. That reflects the decision of the Government that for the next four year period, being the period nominated by the Commission on the Status of Women, new boards must have a minimum representation of 40 per cent of each sex and that if the new appointments do not tend towards that minimum percentage, the Minister must give an explanation to the Government of its plans for achieving the gender balance required. As far as I am aware, that commitment has been strictly adhered to in every respect. I have monitored the position at Government. It has been complied with and will continue to be complied with. It must be remembered that we are referring to Government nominees. Many outside bodies have nominating rights to State and other boards. The Government at present has no direct control in that regard. However, the Government requests nominating bodies — county managers in respect of county enterprise boards — to adhere where possible to that gender requirement. I will continue to monitor the position and if outside bodies are not meeting that requirement, legislation might have to be considered in that context.

Would the Minister agree that it will be impossible to achieve that objective within the four years if he is adopting this approach and is in effect rolling back on the commitment made? Would he agree that unless Ministers make a commitment and follow up on that commitment the Government's intended gender balance will not be met? A consultative committee is being established by the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry in the Department of Agriculture. Is the Minister aware that when the Minister of State was challenged about the gender balance of that committee he indicated that he was not going to make a commitment in this regard? Will the Minister for Equality and Law Reform ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and forestry to report to the Government in regard to why he will not comply with a gender balance principle in this regard? The principle of gender balance has not been put forward by the Opposition; this clear commitment has been made by the Government.

I disagree with the Deputy's suggestion that there has been any rolling back of the principle which I enunciated to the Select Committee on Legislation and Security. That is an innovation by this Government; no previous Government ever enunciated such a statement referring to Government appointments on State boards. I have no knowledge of the task force or consultative committee in the Department of Agriculture to which the Deputy refers, but if the Deputy supplies details I will check out the position. The Government's decision refers to Government appointments and ministerial appointments to State boards. However, there is also a commitment to monitor appointments to other bodies. As the Taoiseach and other Ministers have requested, I call on those bodies to work towards the achievement of gender balance within the four year period suggested and accepted in the report of the Commission on the Status of Women. After a reasonable period if I consider outside nominating bodies — many of whom do not have a good record in this regard — are not meeting this commitment I will introduce legislation. If the need arises I will have no hesitation in introducing such legislation.

We now come to Question No. 7

May I ask the Minister one brief question in relation to this?

The Deputy has been granted some latitude and she can observe that the time for dealing with priority questions is exhausted.

Will the Minister undertake to——

The Deputy may not defy the Chair in this manner.

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