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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 25 Nov 1993

Vol. 436 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Development of Interpretative Centres.

I sought to raise this issue on the Adjournment because I believe it raises fundamental questions about the Minister's role, that of his Department and the future development of environmental policy here. I want to know in particular whether the Minister accepts collective Cabinet responsibility. There is great confusion in the minds of the public about the Minister's role in this respect.

The recent decisions on the three interpretative centres represent a significant change from what the Minister had previously stated his beliefs to be. It constitutes a significant move away from that for which the Minister stood in terms of participation, consultation, and listening to environmental groups. What are the Minister's views on the future development of interpretative centres?

I raise the decision of the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Dempsey, this evening because many of our citizens who have been following this debate, and whom I believe the Minister endeavoured to convince of his views when he travelled around the country with the said Minister, want to know the position. The people are following this debate with great interest. They deserve to be informed by the Minister, as the policy maker in this area, how these decisions were arrived at. For example, how was the democratic process of decision-making, as interpreted by Fianna Fáil and Labour in Government, arrived at? What were the factors that influenced that decision? Did the Minister agree with the decision which appears to be in direct conflict with much of what he has said? The Minister has spoken about transparency in Government and the Taoiseach spoke of open Government. Can the Minister say how this has been reflected in these decisions? It is clear that a Fianna Fáil Minister of State took this decision which appears to be very different from and at variance with what the Minister said previously.

At a critical moment, perhaps the most critical opportunity for the Minister to put his mark on policy in relation to the development of our environment, why did the Minister not influence this policy in the direction he outlined? I am concerned about future policy in this respect because, as the Minister said, it is his area of responsibility. There is a link between this policy and future developmental policy. Clearly in future such policies will be pursued in relation to interpretative centres here. The Minister must say whether they are his policies. Indeed in the case of the interpretative centres about which I speak — those at Luggala, Mullaghmore and the Boyne Valley — new development is envisaged. Will such development fall within the area of responsibility of the Minister?

Why does the Minister not comment on policy at present? Why is he washing his hands of this issue maintaining that it is a matter for the planning process? Some of the failure to which I have referred relates to a decision taken on the formation of this Government when we witnessed the separate views of the Minister and the Minister of State, the Minister contending he was responsible for future policy. Surely there is a link between the two and that is what I would like the Minister to clarify this evening.

There is also the matter of the cost to the taxpayer, the loss of public money to the Exchequer and from Europe. There are serious lessons to be learned in this respect vis-a-vis the National Development Plan given that some of the decisions taken in it were driven by the availability of European Union Structural Funds.

There has been a fudge between responsibility for future policy on these three interpretative centres. Indeed, the manner in which the decision was taken, will have implications for future development here. Clearly, the Minister of State has taken one route and I should be glad if the Minister outlined the route he intends taking. The Minister has been sidelined and his capacity to devise policy in this area should be seriously undermined.

Tá athas orm freagra a thabhairt don cheist tábhachtach seo agus tá mé buíoch den Teachta as ucht an cheist a thógaint suas.

When Cabinet last discussed these visitor centres on 2 June 1993 it was clear, arising from that discussion, that it would be necessary for the Office of Public Works to apply for planning permission as a result of the Supreme Court decision of 26 May 1993. The Office of Public Works was instructed to engage in the widest possible consultations with all interested parties, which process continued for two months.

The Office of Public Works has announced that it will now apply through the planning process. As other parties have indicated that they will be involved in that process and possibly it would appear, in a legal process it would be entirely inappropriate for me to comment further on the matter at this stage.

It was not inappropriate for the Minister of State, Deputy Dempsey, to comment.

Future policy in regard to our heritage is now a matter for me. I will be looking at any further proposals for the provision of visitor centres in an entirely new light.

One point I have been stressing throughout the controversy surrounding these interpretative centres has been the need for wider consultation with all interested parties, the need to actively seek consensus and to avoid damaging relationships in communities. The Deputy will be aware that the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Dempsey — to whom she referred — and the Office of Public Works now accept this view. In his recent statements the Minister of State said the consultative process had taught all at the Office of Public Works the value of consultation and open Government. I am completely at one with him when he states that, in future, the policy will be to involve local communities in all decisions about major developments in their areas. This public consultation will be in addition to the requirement now resting on all public authorities to go through the planning process in the same way as individual citizens and bodies in the private sector. I respect that process and the legal process. That is why I made the statement I did since the decision to apply for planning permission was announced. Therefore, in those two respects, that is acceptance of the need for wide public consultation and the requirement to obtain planning permission, perhaps the present controversy will have a positive impact on future policy.

However, the decision in relation to Luggala, Mullaghmore and the Boyne Valley will not in any sense constitute a precedent which would constrain or lean on future policy formulation.

I sought at once to respect processes independent of this House, but rendered possible by legislative action and, at the same time, to indicate as clearly as possible, the direction of future policy for which I have responsibility.

Does the Minister accept the decision taken, collective Cabinet responsibility?

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