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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 2 Dec 1993

Vol. 436 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - Bank Charges.

I raise this matter because of the widespread concern at the ad hoc way in which new bank charges were introduced. There appears to be a lack of openness in regard to many of those charges and there was no consultation with customers. Allied Irish Banks introduced a charge of £20 for bank customers who have an overdraft facility. Modern technology is becoming more and more a part of the banking world, but there are many people who find cheque books and current accounts satisfactory. Those people should not be penalised if they wish to continue to use a cheque book. Many people are also concerned about the additional charge on credit cards. Those charges appear to conflict with consumer rights. A BBC television programme today revealed that an English consumer report found banks to be uncaring towards their customers. If a similar report was carried out in Ireland I am sure the findings would be the same. I do not object to bank charges or to banks making money. It is important for the economy that they do so.

I find it difficult to understand why a customer should be charged for a bank manager's time. A customer who calls to his or her bank to inquire about an overdraft or another matter will have to pay heavily for the manager's time. It is like asking a customer who buys goods in a shop to pay for the shop owner's time while he or she serves the customer, in addition to the price of the goods. I call on the Minister to incorporate a method of consultation and review of those charges in the consumer credit Bill. Such a review should be carried out on an ongoing basis. There is a great deal of concern about those charges.

I would like to see a change in the attitudes of banks towards their customers. What happened to the maxim that the customer is always right? That maxim has always been used by retailers and by business people, but in the case of banks it does not seem to apply any longer. Customers feel they are bullied and intimidated when they call to the banks to collect their money. Customers pay a good deal in bank charges, especially for an overdraft facility, yet they feel they are in a weak position in regard to a service for which they pay.

I do not wish to criticise the banks. I realise they are important to the economy. At present the banks are flush with funds and even though interest rates are very low they find it difficult to lend. People do not want to borrow because they do not want to have an overdraft. There is a lack of confidence on the part of bank customers. When confidence in the economy increases people will borrow money from the banks and invest. The banks have not acted justly in the introduction of the new bank charges. There are very few businesses where money is taken from the customer before receiving the bill.

I thank Deputy Ryan for raising this matter on the Adjournment. It was raised on the Seanad Adjournment a few weeks ago. The Deputy specifically referred to the recent increase in Allied Irish Banks' charges and I will reply to that.

My officials and I met with representatives of Allied Irish Banks on 28 October 1993 to convey disquiet at the adverse effects which the new level of charges it proposed to introduce would have for businesses and consumers. My concern was based on the multiplicity and proliferation of charges which are now imposed on bank customers. Such charges are becoming an increasing burden on business costs and household income, especially at a time of record low inflation. I also expressed, my concern to the bank about the effects of the new charges on certain sections of its customer base. It proposed that everybody move as quickly as possible to paperless transactions, but I pointed out that that would not suit everybody. There are many people who have always done their business by way of cheque book and, in addition to charges for an overdraft, people will now be charged on the double for not moving to paperless transactions.

The consumer is confused and befuddled by these changes, the effects of which only become apparent when they receive their statements. They then observe with dismay and discomfiture increased and new charges for various services. Deputy Ryan spoke particularly about the charge for a bank manager's time which is quite startling. People pay for the product, which in this case is finance, but they must also pay for the person who provides the product and that seems very strange. It is true to say that in implementing new or increased charges the banks are casual in explaining to their customers the purpose and justification for them. The justification is often a complex web of explanation which, in turn, leaves the consumer even more befuddled.

Bank charges are regulated under section 28 of the Central Bank Act, 1989. Each holder of a banking licence is required to notify the Central Bank of every proposal to change or impose a charge, and the term or condition applying to the provision of a service. In examining proposals to increase charges the Central Bank must take due cognisance of a bank's cost base.

Following the recent debate on the new charges introduced by Allied Irish Banks the Minister for Finance and I, together with officials of our Departments, met with the Governor of the Central Bank last Friday to explore what action could be taken from a consumer protection point of view in relation to any future proposed increases in bank charges. It was agreed at that meeting that consideration would be given to assigning a role to the Director of Consumer Affairs concerning bank charges in the context of the proposed Consumer Credit Bill now being finalised. Such a decision was quite a step forward. It is clear that the Director of Consumer Affairs, with his objectivity in many matters — we are well served by that office — should have a remit with regard to surveillance, consultation and monitoring of bank charges.

I appreciate the Deputy raising this matter — indeed many other Deputies have spoken to me about the issue. The concerns he has outlined have also been expressed by many members of the public by letter and telephone calls to my office in the past number of months. I will be glad to come back in the context of the Consumer Credit Bill to address the issue in a more precise manner.

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