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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 May 1994

Vol. 442 No. 9

Adjournment Debate. - UK Social Welfare Entitlements.

I am glad to have the opportunity of raising this matter. During the debate on the Social Welfare Bill on 1 March 1994, I raised the question of the proposals being put forward by the British Social Services Secretary, Peter Lilley, MP. These proposals have angered and worried many of the advice workers in the social centres in England dealing with Irish emigrants. They have been in touch with me to express their extreme concern at the proposed amendments to the British social services legislation which would have extremely damaging implications for Irish people emigrating to Great Britain and for those already settled there. The proposals will greatly limit the entitlement to benefits for all Irish people who have lived in Britain for less than three years. In addition, the proposed amendments to the British homeless legislation will mean that many Irish people will no longer be considered for housing under the priority need rules.

It is likely that most new emigrants will be sent back to Ireland under these new rules. I asked the Minister at the time to direct his immediate attention to these issues and to raise these matters with the British Government as a matter of the utmost urgency, given that the British Department of Social Services plans to introduce these amendments to benefit entitlements by early summer, which would have an immediate effect on Irish emigrants.

The British Government is acting contrary to European law by forcing these amendments. Some of the amendments smack of the most basic racist legislation imaginable. I want to take this opportunity also to condemn in the strongest possible manner the anti-Irish remarks of Paul Johnson, a journalist at the Daily Mail, who made comments in that paper on 25 April. That type of racist article creates a climate in the UK to introduce the racist legislation proposed by the British Government. Those remarks pander to the base form of chauvinism. I am surprised that a man of his standing holds and promotes such views and this is all the more disquieting. The attitude of mind revealed by these remarks forms the basis of the proposed changes in the regulations operated by the British Department of Social Services. These changes are fundamentally anti-Irish. I ask the Minister to ensure that the British Government withdraws the proposed legislation. The Minister for Foreign Affairs should request the Irish Ambassador in London to protest in the strongest possible manner at the article in the Daily Mail and the publication of racist remarks and slurs.

The Minister for Social Welfare gave an assurance in response to my raising the issue that he would get in touch with his British counterpart. It seems Irish workers will have to wait for some time before they know if Ireland is to be exempt from British plans to curb what they call "benefit tourism". Last Monday in the House of Commons the British Social Services Secretary, Mr. Peter Lilley, declined an invitation from the Opposition to abandon what was described as his "barmy ideas" to introduce a habitual residency test for foreigners seeking to claim social services benefits on arriving in Britain.

The British Labour Party MP, Mr. Max Madden, asked the Secretary to exempt Irish citizens from the proposals. I understand Mr. Lilley is awaiting a report from an advisory council regarding these recommendations. He defends his proposals by saying they are in line with the rest of continental Europe. It was his opinion that the present system is equivalent to giving housing benefit to people who go to England to learn English.

I support the many Irish welfare groups in London who met the junior minister, Alistair Buet, who is responsible for the operation of the plan. There are longstanding links between Britain and Ireland on social security matters and any moves to include Irish people in these proposals must be seen as an unfriendly act by the British Government. If these proposals are implemented thousands of Irish people will be affected, as will students who have been forced out of this country by the Minister's decision to terminate unemployment assistance for students.

The British Government proposes that before social security is paid to foreigners they must show they have lived in Britain regularly for three years. The type of travel undertaken by many people to Britain means that thousands of Irish people will be affected if the proposals are implemented. I ask the Taoiseach to take this matter up with the British Prime Minister without further delay. Action speaks louder than words.

This is the third occasion on which I have spoken to the House on this topic. I first spoke on the Adjournment on 8 February shortly after the news broke that the United Kingdom intended introducing an habitual residence test in assessing entitlement to three important social welfare payments. I made it clear then that I was very concerned at the implications of these proposed changes for Irish people. I subsequently answered two parliamentary questions on this issue on 26 April and outlined to the House that I raised this matter both at EU level and directly with my opposite number in the United Kingdom, Secretary of State Peter Lilley, MP.

As I previously explained, the main reason Irish people go to the United Kingdom is to take up or seek employment. In general, they are entitled to levels of social protection in Ireland which are equal to if not higher than those currently available in the United Kingdom. They cannot be accused of engaging in benefit tourism. Thus the recent offensive remarks by a columnist in the Dail Mail to the effect that “The Irish exploit Britain's welfare state as a kind of patriotic duty” are totally baseless.

When this issue was last discussed in the House, Deputy Allen raised the issue of Irish students going to Britain to seek work during the summer holiday period. As Deputies will be aware, I introduced the students summer jobs schemes last year. It was an outstanding success with over 9,000 jobs being offered by the voluntary, community and public sectors.

We know about them.

This scheme enables various groups to carry out worth-while projects within their community while at the same time providing a part-time work for students during the summer holiday period. I have made a number of enhancements to this year's scheme, including the increase in the maximum payment from £400 to £540 and the duration of the scheme has been extended from ten to 12 weeks. I encourage all third level students who would at this time of the year normally be examining work options abroad during the summer period to strongly consider the students' summer jobs scheme, particularly those who do not have a firm job offer. It has been advertised for a short time and there has been a strong response to it.

I do not need to go over the ground I covered in my reply of 26 April except to repeat that I was heartened by the assurance given by the Secretary of State when we met that the new proposals were not intended to interfere with the traditional working arrangements and pattern of migration that has existed between our two countries for generations. We agreed that a group of officials would work together to find a means by which Irish people would not be adversely affected in the implementation of these proposals. Since then officials from the two sides have met on a number of occasions and have also been in frequent contact. As I stated on 26 April, my officials made a number of proposals designed to achieve the objective agreed by the Secretary of State and myself which the British side undertook to examine in consultation with their legal advisers.

We are still awaiting a response from the British side to the proposals made by my officials. We expect to have their response shortly. Until this is to hand, I cannot definitively finalise the matter and say it has been satisfactorily resolved. However, I can repeat what I said on 26 April; namely that on the basis of the agreement between the Secretary of State, Mr. Lilley, and myself, I am hopeful that there will be no adverse impact on the right of Irish people to avail of British social protection while working or seeking work there.

I was also pleased by the response of the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body to this issue at their meeting in Dublin on 26 April. As those Deputies who were present can verify, there was unanimous support for maintaining the existing rights of Irish people to social security while living or working in the United Kingdom.

In addition to the direct discussions between the two Departments I have sought to keep in touch throughout this period with interested groups such as British-based Irish groups and the emigrant advice community here. My concern has been twofold. The Irish groups in Britain have been active in seeking the same outcome so it is only right that I should, in effect, co-ordinate my efforts with theirs. Secondly, these groups are in the front-line of providing information to Irish people in Britain and to prospective emigrants here. It is vital that our citizens receive up-to-date and accurate information on how changes in British social security could affect their rights; accordingly, it is important that they be kept abreast of developments on this front. In this regard, an official of my Department will address a conference on pre-departure counselling services for emigrants to be held in Malahide on 31 May.

I assure the House that I will continue to give this issue the attention which it so highly deserves and I am hopeful of a satisfactory outcome.

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