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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Dec 1994

Vol. 447 No. 10

Appointment of Taoiseach and Nomination of Members of Government (Resumed).

Atairgeadh an Cheist:
Tairgim: Go gcomhaontóidh Dáil Éireann leis an Taoiseach d'ainmniú na dTeachtaí seo a leanas chun a gceaptha ag an Uachtarán mar chomhaltaí den Rialtas:—
Question again proposed:
That Dáil Éireann approve the nomination by the Taoiseach of the following Deputies for appointment by the President to be members of the Government:—

Risteárd Mac an Earraigh

Dick Spring

I also propose to nominate him as Tánaiste.

Ruairí Ó Cuinn

Ruairí Quinn

Micheál Ó Núnáin

Michael Noonan

Muirís Táilliúir

Mervyn Taylor

Micheál D. Ó hUiginn

Michael D. Higgins

Breandán Ó Húilín

Brendan Howlin

Niamh Bhreathnach

Niamh Bhreathnach

Nora Bean Mhic Eoghain

Nora Owen

Proinsias De Rossa

Proinsias De Rossa

Éanna Ó Coinnigh

Enda Kenny

Risteárd De Briotún

Richard Bruton

Ivan Yates

Ivan Yates

Micheál Ó Labhraí

Michael Lowry

agus

and

Aodh Ó Caoibheanaigh

Hugh Coveney

It has been the practice at this stage to indicate the Departments to which members of the Government will be assigned. I propose to assign the
Department of Foreign Affairs to Dick Spring.
Department of Finance to Ruairí Quinn.
Department of Health to Michael Noonan.
Department of Equality and Law Reform to Mervyn Taylor.
Department of Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht to Michael D. Higgins.
Department of the Environment to Brendan Howlin.
Department of Education to Niamh Bhreathnach.
Department of Justice to Nora Owen.
Department of Social Welfare to Proinsias De Rossa.
Department of Tourism and Trade to Enda Kenny.
Department of Enterprise and Employment to Richard Bruton.
Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry to Ivan Yates.
Department of Transport, Energy and Communications to Michael Lowry.
Department of Defence and Department of the Marine to Hugh Coveney.

I thank my colleague, Deputy Geoghegan-Quinn, for sharing her time with me. I want to congratulate Deputy John Bruton on his election as Taoiseach. Fortitude is a great characteristic and in Deputy John Bruton I recognise that stalwart and robust characteristic which has carried him through so many difficult times in his political career. It is an enduring characteristic which any politician is lucky to have because we live in potentially hostile times and one needs to have the garb of fortitude to enable one to travel the road. I would like to pay tribute to Deputy Lowry and Deputy Yates, whom I have already met informally, and tell them that they will need that same characteristic as they set out on this road. I have no doubt they will be well able for the task ahead of them.

In passing, but not lightly, I wish to convey my appreciation to Deputy Ruairí Quinn with whom I worked for almost two years in the Department of Enterprise and Employment. He, Deputy Séamus Brennan and I sometimes had a difficult relationship but it was always potentially satisfactory and we worked through many difficult situations together fruitfully and for the benefit of the workforce. Politically it was a new situation for me. Previously I had been the boss and I suddenly found myself having to co-operate with a person from another party with whom power was being shared. It was an experience I would not have missed.

Let me comment briefly on the negotiations. I was part of the team appointed by Deputy Bertie Ahern to deal with our opposite numbers in the Labour Party during those days of intense negotiations. One could be either miffed or pleased that so many of the points which we worked out together are now to be found in another White Paper. Much of what my colleagues and I brought to the table during those exciting days has found its way into this new programme for Government. That means our scope in Opposition will be extremely limited. However, I have already marked out the points to which we contributed and those which are new. There will always be a demand to know why the Government is not doing things more quickly and spending more and more money. This will be new to the two young men across the floor but they will find it is part and parcel of life in Government.

I want to home in on the manner in which Deputy Bertie Ahern assumed the role of Leader of the Opposition and the generous spirit in which he expressed his wishes for the Government and took his leave of what for him was potentially a hugely exciting vista opening up in front of him. I wish we had shared in that type of experience over the years but so often at the beginning and end of Governments we have seen needless, unwanted and unwarranted needling, venom and spite hurled across the floor of this Chamber.

I recall very personalised and needless attacks last week. There is no need to be venomous and to have one's pen or voice dipped in spite. One can be acerbic, witty and effective without being wounding and venomous. Deputy Ahern must be commended for the dignity with which he took on his new role. I wish other parties would pay attention to that way of doing business. One can be sharp and caustic without being wounding. There was far too much of that across the floor of the House last week.

There are two or three issues relating to employment on which I will be keeping a close watch. My Department had reached the point of setting targets for the long term unemployed and I note that the section I prepared in that regard survived intact in the new programme. We talk endlessly using platitudes about the long term unemployed but we must have quarterly if not monthly targets for the diminution of the number of long term unemployed. We give global figures and breathe a sigh of relief when unemployment figures are reduced, but within those figures there is a hard core of people who will never again go out to work. However, we had reached the point of formulating a plan. This issue can only be dealt with in a targeted manner and if that is statism and too much State involvement, so be it.

The proposals in the White Paper relating to training have also survived intact in the new programme. While a great deal of European and other money is provided in this area, much of it is ineffective, uncertifiable and does not enable a person to climb the ladder of progress from one type of certification to another, in other words, starting on a FÁS scheme and ending up with a PhD. That happens all too rarely. We must provide a level of training and certification which will enable that to happen.

I wish Deputy Richard Bruton well in his new portfolio and I will be watching him closely. I hope he proceeds with the enactment of the Consumer Credit Bill. Out of a total of 300 amendments, we had reached No. 270 over many long days and nights of work. A total of 30 amendments have yet to be dealt with as well as an important new section, which I persuaded the Government to insert, directing the transfer of surveillance of bank charges from the Central Bank to the Director of Consumer Affairs, thereby opening a chink into that mystery of banking which for many people is a citadel they are unable to storm. I hope there will not be a diminution of that point when the Consumer Credit Bill is being finalised. Deputy Bruton will meet with siren voices, in and outside Government, telling him the Bill was a silly notion of Deputy O'Rourke and that now she is no longer in office it is not necessary to proceed with it. I will be monitoring matters closely.

The Department of Enterprise and Employment will stand up to the strictest scrutiny and, like my colleague, Deputy Geoghegan-Quinn, I pay tribute to the fine public servants who work in that Department with whom I enjoyed an excellent relationship. My term in that office has been a worthy experience. I wish the Government every success in the months, not years, ahead.

I am glad to be here on this historic and unique occasion when a new Government has been elected without the need for an election. Even when I entered the House for a second time today I almost sat beside my constituency colleague, Deputy Geoghegan-Quinn.

She would be delighted.

While it will take some time to get used to our new seating positions, they are not much different from where we sat for the past four and a half years.

There is a lot of dust on them.

A Deputy

The Deputy will get used to them.

I am sure I will. I congratulate Deputy John Bruton on his election to Taoiseach. I could pay no warmer compliment to him than those paid by the previous speaker, Deputy O'Rourke, when she said he achieved this high office because of his honesty and correctness in political life.

I said "fortitude".

I welcome the constructive contributions so far from the Opposition benches, and that is the way it should continue. I have no doubt the Government elected will be a fine one. Deputy Cowen got a little excited about the fact that we might not be as good a Government as the outgoing one. I presume he was referring to the Fine Gael partners because the six Labour Ministers — whom I welcome back, including my colleague, Deputy Michael Higgins — were members of the outgoing Government. He appears to believe that this Government will not stand up to the record of the previous one. The Ministers appointed from the Fine Gael Party will stand up to that record, Deputy Cowen said he worked well with the Ministers from the Labour Party in the past two years. I have no doubt Deputy De Rossa will make an excellent Minister and that the new team will provide good and stable Government for the next two and a half or three years until, as Deputy Sargent said, the people get an opportunity to give their verdict at the ballot box. As this is only the first day, those on the Opposition benches may not have got used to their positions——

It gets better——

——by the hour.

——but I welcome the constructive attempts so far to stop the needless banter across the floor of the House. I am not a bad hand at it myself on occasion, but perhaps I too have some lessons to learn in that regard.

Hear, hear.

I am willing and able to learn those lessons. I made up a limerick about Deputy Cowen when Minister.

And it rhymed.

Deputy Michael Higgins did not agree.

The Deputy, without interruption, please.

If he is not careful I will put it on the record again.

A limerick does not have to rhyme; the subtle ones do not.

I was happy with the end product.

The Deputy will be the poet laureate of the Government.

The Deputy has one minute left and he should be allowed conclude without interruption.

A minute is a long time in politics.

Do we have a poetic licence?

In that case, I will not use any time reciting a limerick. Deputy Higgins promised me a few lessons in that regard and now that we are on the same side we will have more time to concentrate on that aspect.

Mind the iambic pentameter.

Deputy Sargent appeared to believe that reform in Government was not going far enough in that he did not want local authority members to be Members of the Dáil. When the former Taoiseach, Deputy Reynolds, proposed Deputy Ahern for the position of Taoiseach he mentioned the Deputy's local authority experience. As an experienced member of a local authority myself, I have no problem in saying that they can also make very good Dáil Members.

They also make very good Ministers of State.

I have every confidence in the Taoiseach and the Government Ministers he has mentioned for appointment. Deputy O'Rourke said she was very pleased to note so many of her ideas included in the policy agreement of A Government of Renewal and I am glad she acknowledged that. No doubt we will be here sufficiently long to implement them.

Indeed, they will not be.

The point Deputy McCormack missed was that these were all our ideas.

In accordance with the Order of the Dáil today I must now put the following question: "That Dáil Éireann approves the nomination by the Taoiseach of Members for appointment by the President to be members of the Government."

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 84: Níl, 72.

  • Ahearn, Theresa.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Bhamjee, Moosajee.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Bhreathnach, Niamh.
  • Bree, Declan.
  • Broughan, Tommy.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Bruton, John.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Bruton, Joan.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Dukes, Alan M.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Finucane, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Brian.
  • Fitzgerald, Eithne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Gallagher, Pat.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Harte, Paddy.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McDowell, Derek.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Moynihan-Cronin, Breeda.
  • Mulvihill, John.
  • Nealon, Ted.
  • Noonan, Michael. (Limerick East).
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • O'Sullivan, Toddy.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Penrose, William.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Shatter, Alan.
  • Sheehan, P. J.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Spring, Dick.
  • Stagg, Emmet.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Upton, Pat.
  • Walsh, Eamon.
  • Yates, Ivan.

Níl

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Brennan, Matt.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Clohessy, Peadar.
  • Collins, Gerard.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Hughes, Séamus.
  • Hyland, Liam.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, James.
  • McDowell, Michael.
  • Moffatt, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Doherty, Seán.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Foxe, Tom.
  • Gallagher, Pat the Cope.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Noonan, Michael. (Limerick West).
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Liz.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Quill, Máirín.
  • Sargent, Trevor.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Woods, Michael.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Barrett and Ferris; Níl, Deputies Dempsey and Power.
Question declared carried.

I rise not to congratulate the Government as I have already done that but, as is the tradition to wish our colleagues and staff a happy Christmas as I understand the House is adjourning now until after the Christmas recess. On behalf of my party, I wish a happy, safe and healthy Christmas to the parties in the new Government and their backbenchers, to the staff of the Oireachtas, Members of both Houses and their families and to our colleagues in the media who covered the events here during the past year. Everybody here needs a break, including me. I thank you, a Cheann Comhairle, for your assistance and that of your staff particularly in recent weeks. On behalf of all members of the Fianna Fáil Opposition benches, I thank everybody, who helped us not just through the recent trauma but throughout the year. We wish everybody a happy Christmas and a safe and healthy New Year.

I wish to make some remarks in the spirit of collective Cabinet responsibility on this occasion.

We now have the real Taoiseach.

I would like to reiterate the remarks of the Fianna Fáil leader, Deputy Ahern. I take this opportunity to wish a happy Christmas to the staff of the House, particularly those who have worked long hours to accommodate us in difficult circumstances over the past number of weeks in what has been a very unusual and difficult period for all of us. I compliment them on their tolerance and forbearance in dealing with us.

I wish every parliamentarian and their families a very happy Christmas and a peaceful new year. I confess that if we had not resolved this problem today, I would have gone away next week, irrespective of whether there was a Government. Matters were becoming very difficult and tense. I thank everbody involved in the negotiations, it was a difficult situation and we all did our best. I hope that the business of the House in future will be conducted in the same spirit as today. It is our job to govern to the best of our ability. From the remarks made by the Leader of the Opposition I know that he will lead a vigorous Fianna Fáil Party in Opposition, as he is well capable of doing, because he is one of the most experienced politicians in this House. I also expect Deputy Harney, with all the skills she acquired in her years of politics, to lead her party in Opposition.

I take this opportunity to wish the members of the media a happy Christmas. They have their job to do, sometimes they please and sometimes they displease. I wish you, a Cheann Comhairle, your staff and all the staff of the House, the season's compliments. I hope that when we come back next year we will take our responsibilities seriously on behalf of the people we represent.

I hope the members of the Government get a chance to have a happy Christmas. I would like to be associated with the words of Deputy Ahern and the Tánaiste. I wish you, a Cheann Comhairle, the staff, the press corps and all the Members of the House a very happy Christmas. I hope that in 1995 we will have the chance to be a vigorous and thorough Opposition to this Government. In the meantime people should have a chance to enjoy the remainder of the festive season.

I wish to add to those comments the remark that I understand it was an oversight on the part of the Tánaiste not to wish the Green Party and Independent Members a happy Christmas.

My wish was to all Members of the House.

I wish him, the Government and all Members of the House a happy Christmas. The Ceann Comhairle has been always courteous to all parties, regardless of their size, and to the Independent Members, and I thank him for that. I remind the media, who has had a difficult job in deciding what to report, that the Green Party and Independent Members will be vigorous in our contributions next year. We look forward to working with all of them.

I apologise to Deputy De Rossa, whom I should have called earlier.

I am sure you are trying to get over the shock of seeing Deputy McDowell in my seat. I wish everybody here a happy Christmas. You, a Cheann Comhairle, have put up with a lot in recent years from me and other Deputies. I promise to make a new year resolution not to try your patience as much as I have done in the past. I might not succeed but I will do my best. I wish the Taoiseach, the Leaders of the Labour Party, Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats and the members of all parties a happy Christmas. I have a special Christmas wish for the Green Party: may they have a happy, turkeyless, treeless Christmas.

I reciprocate the good wishes of my parliamentary colleagues at this time of good-will. I extend to you and all the members of staff a very happy and restful Christmas and all the things you wish for yourselves and your families throughout the coming year. Nollaig shona agus athbhliain faoi mhéin agus faoi mhaise do gach duine díbh.

The Dáil adjourned at 8 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 24 January 1995.

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