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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 28 Mar 1995

Vol. 451 No. 2

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Cattle Prices.

Desmond J. O'Malley

Question:

11 Mr. O'Malley asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry if he has satisfied himself that cattle prices to farmers will not be affected by the recent change in control of the Goodman Group and associated companies; if his attention has been drawn to the dominant position held by this group in the Irish meat export industry in the past before it went into examinership; and the steps, if any, he proposes to take to prevent the operation of a cartel in cattle-buying in this couuntry if the present live export trade were to decline or disappear. [6512/95]

I have no reason to believe that the recent change in control of the Goodman Group and associated companies will have any effect on cattle prices. The position is that the change of ownership has not increased the company's share of the beef market. Indeed, the company's share of the beef market has declined from just over 30 per cent of cattle slaughterings at meat export premises in the early 1990s to 25 per cent in 1994. I should point out that two prohibition orders relating to the Goodman Group in 1990 effectively permitted the group to increase its market share to 38 per cent and, while this was never achieved in practice, such a level was not seen then as a matter of concern.

As regards the possible operation of a cartel in cattle buying in the event of a decline in the live export trade, I would refer the Deputy to the reply of my colleague, Deputy Richard Bruton, Minister for Enterprise and Employment, to the Adjournment Debate on 15 March 1995. The cattle and beef trade is extremely buoyant at present because of a substantial decline in beef production in the European Union and the elimination of intervention stocks. This favourable situation is likely to persist for the foreseeable future. The live export trade to third countries is not at risk and should continue to provide strong competition for the meat plants.

Is the Minister of State aware that when there was not a significant live export trade in the past there was a cartel for the purchase of cattle here and farmers suffered very severely from it; that there is always the prospect of this happening again particularly if the present live export trade were to decline or disappear, as is possible since it is based on factors outside our control? Is the Minister further aware that the prohibition orders of 1990 were made for the purpose of getting the company concerned to dispose of certain factories under its control and not for the purpose of allowing it to build up additional market share? Has he satisfied himself that those prohibition orders have been complied with?

Concern had been expressed for many years about the dominant position of the Goodman Group in the beef industry, particularly in the context of anti-competitive practices, but the reality is that there has never been any evidence that the group used that position to control cattle prices. This may have been due to the fact that while the group was the dominant player in the beef sector it was never in a position to dictate cattle prices. The Goodman Group never slaughtered more than 31 per cent of all cattle slaughtered in meat export premises. When all cattle disposals, including slaughterings in local abattoirs and live exports are taken into account, Good-man's share of the cattle trade never exceeded 24 per cent. Its current share is 17 per cent.

The two prohibition orders relating to the Goodman Group in 1990 — when Deputy O'Malley was in Government — were designed to prevent the group from increasing market share of cattle slaughterings at meat export premises from 31 per cent to 42 per cent. However, these orders effectively permitted the group to increase its market share to 38 per cent although in any event its market share never exceeded 31 per cent.

There is far less justification now than in the past for concern about the dominant position of the Goodman Group in the cattle-beef industry. In the first place the change of ownership has not affected the market share of the group. Its share of cattle slaughtering has declined from just over 30 per cent in the years 1990-92 to 25 per cent in 1994. Similarly the group's share of total cattle disposals has declined in the same period from 24 per cent to 17 per cent.

The beef sector is extremely buoyant because of the substantial fall in beef production in the European Union in recent years and the elimination of intervention stocks. This has led to very strong competition in the industry and for most of the past 18 months cattle prices have been higher than in the United Kingdom.

The live export trade to third countries provides considerable competition for the meat plants. This favourable market situation is likely to be maintained for the foreseeable future, and there is no reason to believe that Goodman will be in a position to dictate cattle prices. Apart from the live export trade there are after all some 17 other beef companies operating in the beef sector and these are strategically dispersed throughout the country.

The question of what action the Department might take to prevent the operation of a cartel in the event of the live export trade being discontinued is hypothetical. There is no immediate risk to the live export trade to third countries. This trade has not been subjected to the same degree of criticism from welfare activists as has trade to the Continent. In any event any cartel arrangements or lack of competition between beef plants is a matter to be dealt with under competition legislation and that is a matter for the Minister for Enterprise and Employment.

Never, Sir, did a modest supplementary evoke such a lengthy prepared reply. I am almost out of breath having listened to all of what has been read out.

Is the Minister aware that the Goodman Group as defined by him and by the Minister for Enterprise and Employment does not include the Master Meats Group as it is known, even though that group was found to be under the control of the Goodman Group, and that, therefore, the figures he is now quoting are not appropriate or accurate?

The Department is happy with this arrangement which, from the evidence we have, will benefit the industry. As regards arrangements with other companies, that is not in the question to which I am replying, and I am answering the question the Deputy tabled. If he feels that there are other aspects to the issue he should put down a question and I will reply to it. There was a recent announcement that a consortium led by Larry Goodman has bought the banks' interest — incidentally this arrangement dilutes Good-man's influence. I am confident that this new arrangement will benefit the farmers and will be good for the industry.

I do not know whether the Minister of State misunderstands me. He invited me to put down a separate question but I have tabled a question about the group and its associated companies. These are the associated companies. I put it to him that the figures he is quoting are incorrect because he is not taking account of the companies that are effectively controlled by this group but which ostensibly do not legally constitute part of the group. Therefore the figures he has given in the reply are inappropriate, to put it at its mildest. I put it to the Minister of State that it does not take account of the experience on the ground when there was a cartel operating at marts for the purchase of cattle and farmers suffered severely. That situation can arise again.

I am not here to defend the Goodman Group but it must be said that it paid exceptional prices for cattle and paid on the day. If the Deputy describes that as a cartel, it was certainly a cartel for the benefit of farmers. On the question of other arrangements I do not have the information today. I am satisfied that the recent announcement that the Goodman Group will be taking over the banks' interest will be good for the industry, I am convinced time will prove me right.

The Deputy may not be satisfied with the reply but the general thrust of it is that the Department, the Minister and I are quite happy that this arrangement will be beneficial. If there are lessons to be learned we certainly learned them from a very expensive beef tribunal report.

I wonder if you did.

We think we did. Our party had no great hand, act or part to play in that but we certainly learned from it. We will be putting in place more effective controls in that area of export subsidies and intervention, I am glad to say that we put no beef into intervention last year. The circumstances in which the Goodman Group are operating now are totally different from those which operates in Deputy O'Malley's time as Minister.

As the time for Priority Questions is exhausted Question No. 12 will be taken in the time for other questions.

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