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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 27 Jun 1995

Vol. 455 No. 1

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - European Youth Orchestra.

Eric J. Byrne

Question:

8 Mr. E. Byrne asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs the plans, if any, which the European Youth Orchestra has to visit Indonesia within the next few months; the plans, if any, he has for withholding Ireland's funding of the European Youth Orchestra unless the planned visit is called off in view of Indonesia's illegal occupation of East Timor and its continued human rights abuses in East Timor and other territories, including Indonesia itself; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11755/95]

Michael P. Kitt

Question:

10 Mr. M. Kitt asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will respond to an offer by a distinguished American law firm to take a case against Indonesia on a charge of genocide in East Timor; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11702/95]

Kathleen Lynch

Question:

15 Kathleen Lynch asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs if he intends pressing for implementation of the embargo on arms sales to East Timor at the EU Council of Ministers as was called for by the European Parliament and in view of the calls made at the recent Inter-Parliamentary Conference on East Timor; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [11752/95]

Tom Kitt

Question:

24 Mr. T. Kitt asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs the initiatives, if any, he is undertaking in relation to the abuse of human rights in East Timor. [11568/95]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 8, 10, 15 and 24 together.

My information is that the European Youth Orchestra has no plans to visit Indonesia.

In so far as the question of human rights is concerned, the Dáil will be aware that the Government takes every opportunity in our bilateral contacts and in the appropriate international fora to bring home to the Indonesian authorities the deep concern of the Government and the Irish people. On 23 May the Tánaiste received the representatives of the six Association of South East Asian Nations, ASEAN, embassies in London, including the ambassador of Indonesia, when they visited Dublin. He availed of that occasion to impress on the ambassador the public concern in this country as regards the situation in East Timor.

Ireland has also supported moves to raise the issue at the UN Commission on Human Rights. At this year's session the Indonesian Government agreed to invite the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to visit East Timor during the course of the year. The high commissioner will submit his report to the next session of the human rights commission. In these circumstances the Government does not think that it would be appropriate to take up any offer of private assistance in pursuing a charge of genocide.

At the political level, Ireland supports the ongoing talks between the Portuguese and Indonesian foreign ministers, which take place under the auspices of the UN Secretary-General. In this context we welcomed Portugal's recent initiative to convene an Intra-Timorese meeting bringing together, under the aegis of the secretary-general, those who accept and those who reject the Indonesian presence in East Timor. The meeting took place earlier this month in Austria. Both the UN representative and the Portuguese Government have expressed their satisfaction at the outcome of the meeting, which, we expect, will be considered at the next meeting of the foreign ministers of Portugal and Indonesia on 9 July.

The Government can support the main lines of the declaration adopted at the recent Inter-Parliamentary Conference in Lisbon. In particular we believe that countries that supply arms to Indonesia for use in East Timor should reconsider their policy. We shall take up this issue with our European partners.

I thank the Minister of State for informing the House that the European Youth Orchestra has no plans to visit Indonesia. Will she agree that not only an arms but a cultural embargo should be imposed by the Government and its partners in European on the grounds that every opportunity should be taken to send the message to the Indonesian authorities that we find their actions in East Timor distasteful? That would be another nail in the coffin in terms of their illegal occupation of East Timor.

The Government has taken up the issue of East Timor at the Commission on Human Rights in Geneva. I expressed our concern when I addressed the commission. The Government supports the initiatives which have been taken by the Portuguese Government and would like to see the problem resolved by way of discussion and negotiation. The outcome of the Inter-Parliamentary Conference in Lisbon was the declaration, the main part of which the Government supports. Talks have also been initiated in Austria between those who reject and those who accept the Indonesian presence. These talks represent a significant breakthrough. We should support the process of discussion and negotiations as well as calling on those countries which are supplying arms to Indonesia for use in East Timor to reconsider their policy. That is the best way to proceed.

The Minister of State said that the European Youth Orchestra has no immediate plans to visit Indonesia. If it announces its intention to do so in the near future will she review the question of withholding funding from it?

We have no information that the European Youth Orchestra proposes to visit Indonesia. We have made our views known on the position in East Timor. We have met representatives of the East Timorese people on a number of occasions and condemned the policy of genocide in that country. We support the tentative steps which have been taken to achieve a negotiated solution to the problem. It is important that we support in particular the initiatives taken by the Portuguese Government, the former colonial power in both Indonesia and East Timor. Obviously I would not expect that the orchestra would find it appropriate to visit Indonesia at this time and my understanding is that there are no such plans.

The Minister said that the suggestion by the American law firm of taking action on a genocide charge is not to be pursued. Will she agree that a genocide charge should be pursued for the murders in East Timor and the behaviour of the Indonesian army?

The Government raised the issue of East Timor with the UN Commission on Human Rights. A number of UN rapporteurs, including a rapporteur on torture, visited East Timor and produced a very damning report on conditions in Indonesia. A commitment was given by the Indonesian Government to invite the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to visit East Timor during the year. We should support and encourage such visits. After the visit by the High Commissioner he will submit a report to the next session of the human rights commission. Initiatives such as the Lisbon conference and particularly the discussions that took place in Austria should be supported. We have made it clear to the Indonesians that we find their behaviour in East Timor unacceptable. We have supported calls for a negotiated solution which would grant freedom to the people of East Timor and would bring an end to the military operations which have taken place there on an on-off basis since 1975 when the majority of killings took place.

The Minister is not ruling out a decision on the matter but is merely postponing it.

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