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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 10 Oct 1995

Vol. 456 No. 6

Adjournment Debate. - Cork District and Family Courthouse.

I condemn the lack of proper facilities for persons with mobility difficulties at the new district and family courthouse at Old Model School on Anglesea Street, Cork. The Access Group in Cork, an umbrella organisation representing 18 associations for the disabled, is extremely disappointed. It made a submission to a Fianna Fáil Minister in 1993 and a further one before the building commenced in 1994 offering to co-operate and assist in the planning of the necessary facilities at no charge. As it is not a specialist group it called in the NRB. It met officials in the Department of Justice in May 1995. A solicitor who is confined to a wheelchair was not allowed to attend the meeting but met the representatives of the NRB on the footpath outside the courthouse. That is regrettable.

I understand the NRB made 14 recommendations in its submission which was presented to the Department of Justice. Unfortunately there was no positive response to any of them. We understood the renovations would cost £1 million. Recently the Minister for Justice indicated that it would cost £2 million and I am sure that matter will be examined by the Committee of Public Accounts.

It is important to outline the problems experienced by those with mobility difficulties. The entrance doors are extremely difficult to open to allow safe and independent use by the visually impaired, those who are frail and those in wheelchairs. There is no lift to the solicitors' room on the first floor and to the public offices. It is significant that a solicitor who uses the courthouse on a regular basis is in a wheelchair and must be lifted to the second floor. Two pairs of double doors have been installed and there is a small lobby which makes access to the court rooms practically impossible. The entrance steps are extremely steep. No hand rails are provided. There is an open mesh ramp and the frail or infirm could catch the heels of their shoes in it. The witness box is not wheelchair accessible. One would expect the Department to give an example in such cases given that people with disability will use the courthouse.

The president of the Law Society and the secretary of the Bar Council have come out openly in support of the Access group. It is strange that cognisance was not taken of that. The letter of a person who is in a wheelchair reads as follows:

I spent all night last night wondering how on earth such unnecessary and thoughtless mistakes could be made. The N.R.B. is a Gov. funded Body employed to give advice and recommendations to builders, architects, planners, etc. Yet their advice was not sought and when it was given it was not acknowledged. We now have a Commission on the Status of People with Disabilities, an E.U.-Gov. funded Body spending thousands of £s researching what is required to make life accessible in all ways for those with disabilities. If the Gov. Depts will not take the advice offered to them by the N.R.B. then why on earth are they spending all this money on the Commission? WHO will listen to them at the end of the day? Who will listen to me and my problems?

That is a cry from the heart. I ask the Minister to take this in hand and ensure the courthouse is accessible to people with a disability.

I am answering on behalf of the Minister for Justice. This planning occurred a long time ago. There were political changes in the last eight months.

I acknowledged that a Fianna Fáil Minister was involved but that does not take away from the facts.

I will give the facts. The old Model School in Anglesea Street was refurbished as the new district courthouse in Cork City at a cost of £1.78 million. This building now includes three courtrooms, a family law suite, judges' chambers, office space, consultation rooms, legal practitioners' rooms, a detention area and toilets. The first court sittings were held on Friday, 1 September 1995. We were conscious of the need to provide for people with disabilities. Consequently the building has proper facilities installed for persons with mobility difficulties. These include car parking spaces for the disabled, a ramp at the main and family law entrance——

It is defective.

——a toilet for the disabled and a position in the courtrooms from which a witness in a wheelchair can give evidence.

All public areas of the courthouse, with the exception of part of the court office and the legal representatives room, are accessible to persons with mobility difficulties. However, such persons may conduct all their business on the ground floor.

In a corridor.

Sufficient, suitable facilities have been made available at this level. In relation to the provision of a public telephone for the hard of hearing, such a facility is not available in such a format.

The National Rehabilitation Board examined this building and issued a report which included a number of recommendations which were over and above the regulatory requirements. All of these, with the exception of two items, the installation of a lift and a telephone for the hard of hearing, have been or are in the process of being implemented. To those who do not know this building — I understand a number of Deputies attended school there — it is a single storey building. A mezzanine floor has been installed as part of the office area. This and the legal practitioners' robing room are the only areas not accessible to all.

To access both of these areas would require not one but two lifts as they are not connected. These areas represent only 15 per cent of the floor space, and we have fully complied with the building regulations. The need to preserve the building meant that the space available was limited and its use had to be maximised. As previously stated, all members of the public can conduct all their court business on the ground floor.

In a corridor.

This building is not only user friendly to persons with mobility difficulties but also for other disabled persons.

Absolutely not.

Examples of this include the installation of suitable lighting to assist the visually impaired and loop systems in the courtroom to assist the hard of hearing.

There are still some works ongoing, but I am assured it will be ready when the Minister, Deputy Owens, opens the excellent facility in Cork city at the end of this month.

I am very disappointed. The Minister should tell that to the Minister for Justice.

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