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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 7 Nov 1995

Vol. 457 No. 7

Death of Member. - Science, Technology and Innovation Advisory Council Report: Statements.

I am delighted to have the opportunity to address this House on the subject of science, technology and innovation, with particular reference to the report of the Science, Technology and Innovation Advisory Council, known as the Tierney report. A positive, adoptive attitude to science, technology and innovation is to my mind the single most important force for shaping long-term competitive success in indigenous industry. Science and technology is now a substantial area of public expenditure, thanks, to a significant degree, to financial transfers from the European Union as part of the present and previous Community Support Frameworks, and it is also becoming one of the most important influences on social and cultural development. Yet most of our indigenous companies are only dimly aware of the true importance of science and technology. This House, furthermore, too seldom addresses these topics — this is one of the rare occasions on which the House has entered into a full- scale debate on the issues of science, technology and innovation.

This House and our indigenous firms are not alone in underestimating the importance of STI. The absence of a public debate on the issues involved and their significance in shaping our society is partly attributable to lack of media interest. The coverage of science generally by the Irish media is poor by international standards and certainly by the standards, for example, of the "quality" British Media. No Irish newspaper has a science correspondent. RTE seems to have missed the significance of the publication of the STIAC report — the first major review of our STI capability conducted from our own resources.

On almost a weekly basis I have sought, as Minister, to intrude into public debate major issues relating to STI policy, the implications of the information society and the structure and direction of industrial development. I cannot comment on the extent of the endeavours of my predecessors but they too failed to engage the interest of the media. However, politicians need not feel too badly about this. Significant public events varying as widely as the annual North-South innovation lecture, delivered this year by Dr. Frank Car rubba, executive vice-president of Phil ips; to a packed RDS Concert Hall lecture by the British biologist, Dr. Stephen Dawkins; to an internationally prestigious conference in Limerick last week on science and technology parks, attracted virtually no media comment or analysis. Whether it is in the area of the biological or medical sciences, information technology, science, industry and the environment — in all of these areas, signs are that the public is interested and knowledgeable. We should in this House, in industry and the media take note of that.

If we examine, for example, the Community Support Framework 1994-1999, which outlines the development plan for the economy, as underwritten by EU Structural Funds, over that period we can clearly see that science and technology, or research and technological development, to give it its full European title, can be found across a range of the individual operational programmes. RTD-related activities can be found, as one might expect, in the operational programme for industrial development but are also contained in the operation programmes for agriculture, rural development and forestry, fisheries, environmental services, economic infrastructure and human resources.

In financial terms I estimate that at least £625 million will be spent on these activities in the period up to 1999. This expenditure will be funded on a tripar tite basis by the Exchequer, the EU Commission and the private sector. By far the largest spend, £406 million will take place in the research and development part of the industry operational programme so it may be worth looking at this in a little more detail. This programme follows on logically from the original science and technology programme, 1989 to 1993. This was initially oriented towards the development of an R and D infrastructure, from which firms would be capable of sourcing their technological needs. This approach prompted increased R and D spend by industry and a consequential demand for R and D assistance at the level of the individual firm.

This resulted in the launch, towards the end of that programme, of a new measure aimed at providing finance for in-company R and D. With this addition, the programme as a whole evolved to represent a balanced portfolio of actions capable of responding to broad industry — economic demand and with the ability to develop the culture of technological innovation upon which much of Ireland's future competitive advantage would depend.

The 1989 to 1993 science and technology sub-programmes provided the country with the opportunity to invest in and upgrade its R and D capability, and to introduce a new and innovative element into industrial policy. The influence of the programme has been to ensure this opportunity was grasped and the competitive position of Irish industry was enhanced.

Although industrial R and D expenditure in Ireland has risen rapidly in recent years, in the international context it is still comparatively low. Ireland's business expenditure on research and development as a share of national output, known as the BERD-GDP ratio, is well below the EU average and considerably less than countries such as Germany.

Many companies are still not fully aware of the pressing need to upgrade existing products and develop new products and processes on an ongoing basis to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive and sophisticated marketplace. This Government, therefore, believes that a sustained effort is needed to make the innovative capability of Irish firms and researchers commensurate with the scale of the competitive pressures facing Ireland in the coming decades. The new Programme for Research and Development, 1994-1999 is intended to provide the impetus to make this happen.

The central objective will be to increase the quantity and quality of R & D activity in Ireland. One of the specific targets set for the programme is to increase Business Expenditure on R & D (BERD) and STIAC has recommended a doubling of BERD by 1999. Other key impact indicators that will be monitored over the life of the programme include the number of researchers employed in industry, the number of R & D performing companies, the number with formal R & D departments and R & D intensity, as measured by the number of researchers per company.

The proactive, developmental approach of the 1989-93 programme meant that the original structure laid down would inevitably need to be revised in the light of experience.

Within the new programme, therefore, every activity has been examined and refocused into a new set of measures that are consistent and better align with the overall mission statement, which is: to support the enhancement of competitive advantage in Irish firms through ensuring the appropriate use of technology. It aims to achieve these goals through a portfolio of infrastructural, financial and skills supports attuned to the expressed and anticipated needs of Irish industry.

There are four measures, classified as follows: measure 1, Industry R & D Initiative; measure 2, Industry/Third Level Co-operation Services; measure 3, Human Resources Development; and measure 4, Research Support.

The industry R & D measure addresses an identified need for demand-led R & D in industry. The measure beings together under a single heading all financial supports for company-led R & D. By centralising R & D supports in a single measure, administered by the industrial promotion agencies, it will be possible to provide a unified approach capable of supporting the needs of Irish industry flexibly and efficiently. The measure is open to all companies regardless of size and ownership who are capable of meeting specified criteria in relation to finance and project quality.

Measure 2 — industry/third level co-operation services — comprises a number of different sub-measures or actions designed to increase the capability of industry, to improve the technological supports provided to industry and to increase third level/industry co-operation. It includes activities such as technology transfer. Forbairt technology services to industry, support for technology service centres in the regional technical colleges and the programmes in advanced technology, of which some Members will already be aware.

Measure 3 — human resource development — is designed to improve the ability of industry to manage the process of research and technological development, to enhance the interaction between higher education institutions and enterprises and to support high level researchers engaged in projects that are of direct benefit to industry. The enhancement of the capacity of the higher education sector to promote innovation and to support industry is an important policy objective.

The preceding measures are mainly demand-led and aimed at Irish industry whose competitiveness will improve through the use of technology. It is important, however, that this necessary process of targeting should not weaken the genuine spirit of innovation and the more outward looking perspective that has been adopted by progressive researchers within the higher education sector in recent years. In order, therefore, to continue to tap this vein of enterprise, measure 4 represents a single research support fund that can be flexibly deployed in support of high quality college-based research projects. Members may be aware that I announced, during the summer, a new board to administer this measure as well as extra funding for it in 1995.

The reason we are having this debate is that the establishment of STIAC, the publication of its report and the expectations surrounding the Government's response have injected new life into an age old debate about the importance of science and technology in our national development.

It is not a question of "should we do" science and technology but of "how" we do it. I would like to put a summary of the report's key issues on the record so that Deputies can focus their contributions.

The Tierney report, called after the Chairman of the Council Mr. Dan Tierney, whose enormous contribution I paid tribute to on previous occasions was published last March. It began by demonstrating the importance of science and technology for international competitiveness and then examined Ireland's position from that perspective.

The council concluded generally that innovation, based on the application of science and technology, is now the mainspring of international economic competitiveness.

The most innovative countries are also the world's economic leaders, with strong expert performance, based on high value-added products and services. In countries where STI policy has encouraged development through innovation, investment in R & D has been maintained at a high level.

For example, business expenditure on R & D in Ireland is just over 1 per cent of GDP: the average in Europe is 2 per cent, it is over 2½ per cent in the US and around 3 per cent in Japan. If that were to persist over the long-term, the consequences for our small firms, for our traditional and natural resource-based sectors where R & D has not been a priority and the prospects for our continued export growth would be very discouraging.

In more specific terms, the report points out that between 1970 and 1989, manufacturing employment in Japan increased by 4 per cent and in the US by 1.5 per cent while within the EU it decreased by 20 per cent.

This clearly indicated that those who successfully apply technology keep the benefits in jobs. Since 1970, employment in knowledge-based industry increased by over 20 per cent in OECD, contrary to the general trend in employment, indicating the job creation propensity in this sector.

The basic message, therefore, is quite clear — investment in scientific research and technological development, and its successful application into innovative high quality products and services, is vital to sustained economic growth and increased high quality employment. Furthermore, there are no old industries — only old technologies.

In looking at our international position the council divided countries into "Leaders", those who spend more than 2 per cent of their GDP on R & D, "Followers", over 1.5 per cent, "Users", 1 per cent and "Laggards" under 1 per cent. Ireland just about avoids the "Laggards" categorisation and only with the assistance of substantial European Structural Fund support.

From its examination of the international perspective, the council concluded that Ireland is not well positioned at present in respect of the new technological and market dynamics. Many countries are engaged in sustained experimentation with policies and measures to stimulate their national innovation process. Such experimentation implies a willingness to take risks and presupposes a long-term view.

The council believes that Ireland has little choice but to engage in the same process. In particular, according to the council, there is an undoubted need to increase Ireland's R & D investment, both public and business, if the substantial technology gap that exists in the indigenous sector is to be reduced.

The report states that the challenges facing all countries, not least Ireland, from the ever-increasing speed of technological development, are that: the national capability in new technologies must be expanded; there must be transfer mechanisms to integrate new technology into less advanced sectors; enterprises must invest to prepare for these changes; and innovation must be an integral part of industrial policy.

What are the issues facing Ireland if we are to successfully address these challenges? The report argues that, despite the strong macro-economic performance of the economy, there are still some fundamental weaknesses and, of course, unemployment remains unacceptably high. At the same time, societal needs and expectations for improvements in education, health care and public services are no less than in other, more wealthy countries.

In the enterprise sector, overseas companies, which account for three quarters of manufacturing exports, are only weakly linked to the domestic economy. Indigenous industry is highly fragmented and, in general, of small scale. In a number of measurements the foreign sector is strikingly superior to its indigenous counterpart.

It is: more advanced on the path to a globalised market; twice as skilled in terms of technical and administrative personnel; twice as committed to R & D; and twice as productive on average. The unrelenting globalisation of markets, through the EU Single Market, bilateral deals between the superpowers and the new GATT round of trade agreements is an economic fact to which all Irish companies, whether foreignowned or indigenous, must face up.

The report shows that the globalisation trend is being hastened by developments in information technologies, leading to the information super-highway. Countries with the appropriate technological infrastructure to participate in such developments will be able to benefit from the globalisation of education, research, commerce, trade, banking and other services. Ireland needs to be fully supported by the most comprehensive and advanced networking facilities available.

It is against that background that we must be concerned that some 80 per cent of Irish companies would be regarded as having a "nil" or "minimum" technology capability — that is, perhaps, no specialist technology personnel, perceiving no need for technological capability or requiring support in sourcing technology from external sources.

This concern for the innovation capability and thus the long-term survival and growth prospects, of Irish firms has been reflected in every major report on industrial development, since the 1960s, including the most recent Culliton report. The matter has also been treated in specific reports on science and technology policy in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the latter two carried out by the OECD.

The report says that some countries and companies have been more successful than others in adapting to and capitalising on the many changes and opportunities arising internationally.

The key to such success is the acceptance and effectiveness of the national system of innovation. This is defined as "the collection of all institutions and the mechanisms — public and private— that interact to stimulate and support innovations in products and systems within the national economy".

The interaction, inter-linkage, policies and incentives that enable these elements to operate coherently are vital. Equally important are the factors that influence the environment for innovation — education and training, technical culture, public and political awareness, availability of finance and, particularly, international sources of science, research and technological innovation.

The Council argues that the lack of an integrated national system of innovation and the fluctuations in Government commitment to science and technology over previous decades have been at the heart of the reason there is not a better appreciation of science, technology and innovation and of the culture of technological innovation in Ireland. The Government must recognise and promote a long-term investment strategy to build up the elements of the system of innovation.

Looking more closely at the main components of the system of innovation, the Council argues that, within the business sector there is a need to increase industrial involvement in research and development and innovation and to move business expenditure on it towards European average levels. There remains a negative attitude to entrepreneurship, risk-taking and innovation in many aspects of Irish economic life. There is a low concentration of scientists and engineers in industry. There is an unsatisfactory level of new company start-ups and an overly strong EU dependency, particularly on the funding side, throughout the national science and technology effort.

The State's direct role is to provide a balanced programme of applied research and development, strategic R & D in the important generic technologies, such an biotechnology, and to look to the future technology needs of the economy by providing assistance in "foresight" of emerging critical technologies. The range of public research institutes in Ireland has always been limited by comparison with other countries where such capability is provided by the State. They must have a critical competence, be it in areas of special national importance and give value for money in terms of contributing to their self-sufficiency, transmitting technology to the workplace etc.

The Council describes the third level sector as the vital source of people and capability in the generation and transfer of research and innovation skills into society. Basic research provides the essential underpinning for applied research and technological development and, according to the Council, we cannot achieve an innovative environment without access to the new knowledge and understanding provided by basic research. However, we must ensure also that we make maximum use of this knowledge. The Council goes on to say that the role of such research has not been appreciated in Ireland and that funding has been largely inadequate.

The Council also points out that there is a need for better interaction between industry and third level colleges to exploit research for the benefit of the country. Industry must provide a stronger "pull" effect by making greater use of the expertise in the colleges. In turn, the third level sector must provide a "science push" effect and achieve greater application of its knowledge to address industrial and societal needs. The Government must act as broker in creating this greater interaction. While the Tierney report made many recommendations on individual and specific aspects of our science and technology system, it addressed what I regard as two fundamental pillars which are needed to underpin our long-term strategy in this regard.

First, it recommended that we organise our national science and technology effort in a way which will allow us to take a comprehensive and long-term view of our needs, priorities and where we should concentrate our money. Second, but no less importantly, it addressed the issue of the understanding and appreciation of science and technology. In my period so far, as Minister for Commerce, Science and Technology, one fact has impressed itself very strongly on me — science, technology and innovation, for the public at large with the exception of the truly converted, has a huge capacity to turn people off.

I believe that the legacy of the Tierney report will be its lasting contribution to the debate on the value of investment in science and technology for a small country such as Ireland. I have attended a number of seminars organised by private interest groups and I have participated in debates in both Houses and at the EU Affairs Committee. The debate must continue, the debate must be widened, the debate must be public, the debate must give rise to questions, and it must provide answers. No interest is immune, whether big or small industry, Heads of Universities or PhD researchers, primary school teachers, newspapers and television, State agencies, civil servants or politicians. Journalists and the media, of course, have a critical role to play, with the potential for the most direct and immediate influence on the public and, therefore, on our public representatives.

I do not accept that it is impossible to turn a scientific article into a piece of popular journalism. I do not believe that we have to write every science article as if it were the most grave and serious matter of earth-shattering importance. It permeates every facet of our daily lives, for example: the application of microwave technology is a fairly recent development; now you can buy a microwave cooker for less than £100; microprocessors, often thought of as the preserve of high tech computer and communication companies, run our domestic washing machines; and laser beams used to be "STAR TREK" material; now they tell us our weekly supermarket bill.

On the subject of popularising and "demystifying" the subject, somebody recently showed me a copy of a magazine distributed free by a number of Dublin pubs, intended to keep the solitary drinker from staring forlornly into his pint. The magazine contained two pages of science snippets, culled from the international media, on scientific breakthroughs with potential practical application. They were written in a style which aroused your interest and held your attention.

Is it too much to ask that Irish scientists, industry, journalists and people in public life should follow that example on local research topics? It is a feature of other topics and professions. The weather forecast is a highly technical subject but, because the man in the street needs to know if it will be wet or dry, the technicalities are expressed in intelligible terms. Accountancy and medicine are complex professions but the lay person demands to know in simple terms whether his pocket or his health will suffer and the practitioners respond.

Lest it be thought I am taking an unfair swipe at the scientific community, politicians also stand indicted of forever speaking some kind of parliamentary gobbledegook, and civil servants for long took pride in writing in their own "officialese" and for ignoring the exhortations in Sir Earnest Gower's Plain Words to write and communicate effectively and simply. I say this not to cause offence. The point I wish to make is simple. Scientists do not suffer from a peculiar impediment of communication. Each profession, group, or band of fellow travellers develops its own specialist vocabulary — jargon to improve precision of ideas exchanges between themselves.

However, in this age of mass competition for public support we need to be able to broadly convince the general body of people and carry them with us. By and large the groups who can best do this will best succeed in getting what they want. Most business schools recognise the importance of communication and include modules in "executive communications". Even politicians have been known to take private grinds at the Bunny Carr self-improvement school. There is a role for all of us in promoting the image and status of science and we must tackle this by a variety of means and on a broad front. Some efforts will of course be more successful than others. For my part and following the Tierney report, I have asked Forfás to prepare a three year awareness campaign, aimed essentially at policy makers and decision makers in the public and private sectors. As the Tierney report pointed out, there is an onus on the many organisations connected with science and technology to play their part in its promotion. Some already do — some could do more.

My office has in the past given modest short-term support to the industry lobby on research and development to help it to get off the ground and in turn to promote the need for more research and development investment in the business sector. It is vital for researchers at the work bench to have their own independent voice just as the voice of industry must be heard. To that end I was delighted to be able to announce recently that my office, with Forbairt and Forfás, agreed to sponsor funding for a three year period, to assist the Irish Research Scientists' Association in becoming a full-time association with proper back-up facilities. A cynic might ask why are we creating a stick with which to beat ourselves.

However, I stress that, like science and technology generally, promotion and awareness is not a case of throwing large sums of money at the problem. It is for all involved to ensure a continuous and widening public debate on the issues to bring about a shared appreciation of the role of science and technology as the long-term solution to our economic and social progress. This idea of a nationally shared appreciation should not be underestimated.

A significant outcome of the STIAC process was the consensus achieved on the role and contribution of the variety of players and activities in what has become termed the national system of innovation. Employers and employees, big business and small, high tech and low tech, academic and researcher, public and private came together to form a comprehensive and consensus picture of science and technology and how the pieces fit together. I do not say this as criticism but simply to reinforce my point that we all have to grasp at every opportunity to strengthen the role of Science and Technology in society and to overcome cultural divisions. Selling the message is what I want to do today and there are encouraging signs. The recently published Forfás survey on business research and development expenditure shows an average growth rate of over 17 per cent per annum between 1989 and 1993. That is partly because of the expertise and incentives available but it also comes about because of the growing reality in firms that they will only grow and maintain market shares where they are "up to speed" or leading the field in terms of their technological and innovation abilities.

The vision put forward by the STIAC report is that we must take the innovation road which will lead to economic prosperity, market leadership, value added exports, high quality jobs and all the economic spin-offs which that implies. The report of itself, or its vast number of recommendations, may not represent the total solution, but most importantly it defines the direction to that solution. Nobody pretends that the task will be easy or that we will be showered with instant success. Most people recognise that to change attitudes towards research — indeed change and promote the research culture itself — we must embark on a process of continuous change and advance, rather than think in terms of a "big bang" approach.

Where does the Tierney report go from here? After publication of the report, and with Government support, I appointed a task force to examine the recommendations and to report on their implementability or otherwise. The Task Force is chaired by Mr. John Travers, Chief Executive of Forfás. It includes representatives of Departments active in the science and technology field and also includes Dan Tierney and Professor Dervilla Donnelly who were on the original council. The Tierney report included a large number of recommendations covering a variety of topics some having specific price tags and others dealing with institutional arrangements for ensuring the Government can develop coherent strategies for deploying State funding on science and technology across the range of Government Departments, agencies and programmes. Some of these recommendations, which deal with tax breaks for research and development, were included in this year's Finance Act.

The Travers task force has now, I understand, just completed its examination of the individual recommendations and is in the process of drafting a report on its work. The task force is overseen and guided by a Cabinet subcommittee which I chaired and which includes my Government colleagues the Minister for Finance, the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry and the Minister for Education. It is my intention that when the Cabinet Committee has taken its decisions based on the task force report I will bring the matter to Cabinet and I expect to publish the Government response to STIAC early in 1996. I look forward to the support of all sides of the House in pursuing this work which is of crucial importance to the long-term development of the nation and in that regard I look forward to further debate in this House as we proceed.

It is seldom a report such as this is given time for discussion in the Dáil and we welcome this opportunity. I compliment those involved in producing it. Much has been written about the report in the newspapers and although many of the daily newspapers do not have science and technology correspondents there are developments in that regard. Science and technology affects our daily lives in many ways. It is to be found in the kitchen, the office, on transport and on the farm. The new technology emerging is broad based.

The STIAC report contains a well argued case for the importance of science and technology in a modern economy and why it is necessary for us given our ambition for national economic development to increase the amount of funds we invest in this field. The report also highlights the neglect of this field to date. It highlights the neglect of this area and contains useful data on the development of our smaller indigenous industries. It makes the valid point that science and technology must be part of our wider industrial policy and not a stand alone activity. It is very important for the man in the street to understand the relationship between science and technology and the finished product.

Chapter 7 deals with the perceptions and awareness of science, technology and innovation. A number of very good points and useful suggestions are made and this is one of the better chapters of the report. The report is strong on outlining aspirations and makes a number of indisputable statements but there are parts of the report with which I do not agree. If we lived in a perfect world the recommendations of the STIAC report could be fully implemented at a cost to the Exchequer of £490 million. However, we do not live in a perfect world. The main problem with the report is the uneven and sometimes bizarre coverage of the various issues involved. Information and enthusiasm but little wisdom or experience seems to have been brought to bear on the topic. In effect, the report represents a compromise, evidently achieved by the chairman, to include the various interests of the members of the STIAC committee. This is evident from the uneven coverage, the virtual neglect of various areas of science and technology vital to our economic development and the over-emphasis on unimportant detail, coupled with the complete absence of major structural recommendations and changes that are obviously needed. For example, little emphasis is placed on information technology and there is a complete over-emphasis on natural resource-based industries. This, of course, reflects the interest of some members of the committee. Jobs can certainly be created in natural resource industries but what these industries need is not research and development but more investment.

In recent years the trend among our large natural resource-based industries has been to invest abroad. I respect their responsibility to their shareholders and investors and opportunities to invest in this country are scarce. That is especially evident in larger food companies which have made significant acquisitions abroad.

Information technology is one of the largest and fastest growing areas of job creation. It is ironic that a Deputy from a rural constituency must tell a Minister representing an urban constituency that the potential for job creation does not lie in natural resources but in technology. The Minister's constituents will be travelling to jobs in Intel and Hewlett Packard only down the road from Tallaght via the west link road, which will have to be extended to cope with the traffic. Jobs will be created in information technology. That is the trend.

It surprises me that the Minister approves the recommendation of this report to invest in science and technology for natural resource-based industries when I know from my rural background that relatively few jobs can be created in this area compared with the numbers in information technology. The Minister is approving more investment in an area where relatively few jobs will be created and investing little or nothing in an area which will create many thousands of jobs. Job creation in natural resource-based industries is limited. Jobs can be created in the high growth knowledge-based industries. In spite of the fact that this is acknowledged in the report there is very little emphasis on it. This is a major weakness and illustrates that committee members made recommendations in their areas of vested interest.

The very low level of innovation in indigenous industries was raised. Continuous efforts will have to be made to address this problem. Little or no account is taken of the fact that more and more multinational companies are carrying out research and development and product development on a major scale in Ireland. Many multinational companies are setting up in this country. To encourage them to remain on a long-term basis we must provide the necessary research and development facilities which will sustain jobs that can be filled by colleage graduates.

It is recognised that the high standard of education in our schools, universities and regional technical colleges produces people who are highly skilled in using technology. We are the envy of many countries in the western world. We must recognise this important natural resource and help to stem the brain drain we have experienced for many years.

Eolas, the science and technology agency, is now part of Forbairt, the industrial development agency dealing with indigenous industry. There is a real danger that Forbairt will focus on science and technology appropriate to indigenous industry. This would put us at a disadvantage and might cause us to lose opportunities to help multinationals find deeper roots in Ireland by carrying out product development here.

Worldwide sales of electronic equipment in 1995 amounted to US$800 billion. This sector has been growing at a 10 per cent compound rate annually and is not only the largest but the fastest growing area. It is almost totally ignored in this report. Many of the emerging far eastern nations such as Taiwan, South Korea and Malaysia, nations we used to think of as Third World countries some ten to 15 years ago, are rapidly becoming highly developed in the area of information technology. How did they achieve this? They did this on the back of investment in information technology industries. The STIAC report tells us to grow more trees and produce more shellfish but the real area of growth is information technology. I cannot emphasise that enough. It is companies such as Analog Devices and Intel that have produced the jobs.

Another problem I have with this report is the "spend, spend, spend" approach — set up a large office to deal with science and technology, have more co-ordination, give it plenty of money and everything will be all right. That is not the answer to the problem. Arbitrary increases in various activities are proposed with no justification, for example, doubling the spending on industrial research and development. At the same time the report says little on how we could improve the return we get on the large sums of money we spend already on science and technology. There has been no evaluation whatsoever of the money spent in recent years in industry on measure 6.

All the jobs we mentioned are in multinational companies, but many indigenous companies create jobs in this area and these also have science and technology needs which are neglected in this report. Examples are Mentec and Cornell in Dublin and the many indigenous software companies springing up.

Most of Chapter 5 is one long whinge by university people on why they need more money for equipment, research and development, etc. Realistically, more money needs to be spent on equipment for undergraduate education, but this is a matter for the Department of Education, not the Department of Enterprise and Employment. Basic research and development certainly needs more support. Again this should more properly fall within the ambit of the Department of Education as it is non-directed research.

I have little sympathy with calls for more money, equipment etc., for strategic and applied research. There is currently quite a lot of money, via programmes in advanced technology, EU funds etc., being spent in this area in universities and, even by European standards, groups have emerged with excellent reputations in this area. A key point that is not alluded to in the report is that not all academics are good at carrying out research. Some are better than others and, in the current situation with relatively limited funds, a process of natural selection has been in operation. The good groups are able to get funding in the marketplace and grow. Those with little or nothing to contribute to technological development have not been getting funds. It is very hard to argue with this as the report tries to do. There is no point in sprinkling money everywhere and hoping that everybody will do a good job. Not everybody is capable of doing a good job. We should not forget that the only valid reason for a small country to invest in research and development is to help increase the efficiency of innovation in industry. This is the only reason the EU invests such money in its framework research and development programmes, and it is the only reason we should invest in science and technology.

Incidentally, in the context of the overall report, the emphasis on the programmes in advanced technology (PATs) is out of proportion to the money spent on them, approximately £10 million a year. Ireland is falling fast in the competitive league in the EU. We have fallen from ninth to 22nd place because of our serious lack of investment. We need only look across the water at our UK neighbours who will this year spend in excess of £6 billion. That is big money, and it is a big economy, but our share is approximately 6 per cent in the whole area of science and technology. In The Financial Times of 28 March of this year under the headings “Technology Foresight programme criticises `hands-off' approach” and “Ministers to shake up R&D”, it is stated that the [British] Government yesterday gave notice to Britain's research and development community that it intends to radically reshape its £6 billion budget. I accept that Britain has a huge economy of approximately 60 million people, but the spend is enormous compared with our spend of 6 per cent of the total budget which is minimal.

We can fill the Library of this House with debate after debate and report after report, but we have to address the problem of investing in information and technology which this report has more or less ignored. We will not even be touching the tip of the iceberg. This matter needs to be addressed with great urgency.

Since it has been acknowledged that they have been good at interfacing effectively with industry and transferring technology, why is it recommended that their budgets stay the same while everything else is arbitrarily increased? It seems quite a contrary recommendation. Furthermore, an unbelievably bureaucratic and unworkable control structure has been proposed for the governance of the PATs, in which the dead hand of the unscientific Civil Service is plainly apparent.

Another major structural problem which was not addressed is that within the Office of Science and Technology and even on the board of Forbairt, which carried out the policies of the Office of Science and Technology, there is not a single scientist or technologist. Surely such a glaring anomaly ought to have been highlighted and a programme of recruitment of experienced technologists imposed on the Office of Science and Technology.

An additional structural problem relates to what kind of food research should be carried out in Teagasc as opposed to the universities. Given the amount of money going into this area, guidance from the committee on this matter would have been particularly useful. However, as they were both represented on the committee, it is not surprising that they could not agree on this very important issue. This illustrates the compromised nature of the report and the failure to deal with real problem issues. I am in no way critical of the individual professionalism of the members and chairperson of the committee.

Many of the organisational changes proposed in Chapter VIII are quite impractical and have little or no chance of being implemented. Co-ordinating science and technology across all Government Departments has been tried before and does not work because each Government Department has its own priorities and will resist co-ordination. The report should have stuck to considering only science and technology in the Department of Enterprise and Employment and its reorganisation and growth could effect industrial development and job creation in manufacturing industry.

Our membership of the European Space Agency has always been of particular value to indigenous Irish companies. It has allowed them access to advanced technology which, in turn, has enabled them to develop new technology based products. This "technology advantage" has been vital to these indigenous firms as it has enabled them to complete and to develop into areas which would otherwise be closed to them. In spite of this beneficial effect to the indigenous sector, the sector to which the Government says it is giving priority, our membership of the Space Agency is continually threatened by a negative attitude on the part of the Department of Finance. This is in spite of the fact that the Aerospace Industry Association of Ireland has over the years put forward extremely convincing cases to the Department of Enterprise and Employment quantifying the benefits of our continued membership. The kinds of companies that benefit from our Space Agency membership fall into three main groups. First, there are companies in the main aerospace engineering and mechanical components area — they include MCS (Galway) and BHP (Limerick) on the engineering side; and Hitall (Waterford), Shannon Precision (Clare) and Fenelon Engineering (Longford) on the manufacturing side. The second group are those in the computer software and systems area and two indigenous companies, CAPTEC and Cara Data Processing have been actively developing high technology products as a direct result of our ESA membership. Finally, there is the whole area of telecommunications and electronics, one of the largest industrial sectors in Ireland, and one in particular for which it is difficult for our indigenous companies to enter. This makes continued membership of ESA all the more important for companies in this sector. Space Technology Ireland and Betatherm are examples of companies which have benefited under this programme.

An interesting feature of these companies is that all of them are small and most of them indigenous. Consequently they may not have the clout of the larger firms in determining where industrial development goes. I find it incredible, if it is correct, that in 1993 the Department of Finance refused to pay our subscription to the European Space Agency, consequently jeopardising our membership of an organisation which many other European countries are clamouring to join. I hope this is not true and I am open to correction regarding it.

Given the already well documented benefits of membership, rather than trying to avoid paying our subscription and jeopardising our membership we should consider doubling or tripling what we pay to the European Space Agency. It is obvious that for the amount of money involved we are getting a far better return in terms of job creation, product development and a platform from which to develop indigenous companies than from many other initiatives taken in this line. If the State were more committed, the potential benefits would be enormous.

Finland, a country similar to Ireland in its dependency on fishing, forestry and agriculture and with, perhaps, more advanced mining facilities, is about to take up membership of the European Union. It has also a similar economy and population size and traditionally its industries were based mainly on natural resources. For example, up to 15 years ago, Nokia, one of its most successful companies, was involved mainly in mining and timber production. It then invested heavily in research and development in the area of information technology, developed the cellular telephone and is now a world leader in this area. It produces one of the most advanced mobile telephones which perhaps the Minister uses.

They are too dangerous.

Twenty years ago that company was almost 100 per cent dependent on a natural resource based industry, but its turnover is now only 10 per cent dependent on that industry.

It is interesting to note Joseph O'Malley's report in the Sunday Independent entitled “Playing politics with computers” when there were many other matters about which he could have written. He stated:

Every 18 months, microprocessors double in speed, and Intel is the pacesetter for much of that change. In Leixlip, Intel is engineering the next (post-Pentium) phase of the global microchip revolution and has become one of Ireland's largest employers.

The plant is just half an hour from Government buildings. Yet, for Ministers and TDs, Intel — and those other high tech industries dotted round the country — may as well be on another planet.

Joseph O'Malley does not appear to think much of us in relation to information technology. That well written article went on to state:

In Singapore, by the year 2000, the Government hopes to transform a country of similar size to Ireland into an `intelligent island'. Every home, office, school and factory will have easy access to a wide range of electronic information and services. In Ireland, there is no such Government plan. At least not yet.

The report further states:

Here, via Science and Technology Minister, Pat Rabbitte, the Government has just discovered the Internet, years after others have realised the network's potential and turned it to their advantage. Even Sinn Féin has a presence on the Net, as a shocked Taoiseach recently found out.

Because of our excellent university and regional technical college standards we should endeavour to become one of the most successful internet industrial nations in the world. It is well known that those standards were a major attraction for the German Siemens Corporation deciding to base its most modern European facility in Ireland. It is regrettable, however, that there was intervention at the highest level from Prime Minister John Major and his Cabinet Minister Michael Heseltine who made it more attractive for Siemens to locate in the UK, possibly because of more money and a larger market to sell their generating and telecommunications systems.

Science and technology is about creating jobs and it is regrettable that the STIAC report concentrates on natural resource based industry and pure science as there is little prospect of additional jobs in that area. The report ignores large industries based on information technology.

A recent report in The Irish Times stated that the last such national review of the policy was undertaken in the 1960s when the original National Science Council first met and the then Minister for Finance, Mr. Charles Haughey, stated that by neglecting fundamental research a country would condemn its own industry to adolescence.

If we want to give our taxpayer's more value for money we should spend more on job creation and create a future for our young people and for Ireland. Today technology is the engine of economic growth. If we do not move with it and oil each vital section of that engine it will become sluggish and we will be left behind in the race for information technology and job creation.

I did not expect to speak on this important issue, but I welcome the opportunity to do so. While the report of the Science, Technology and Innovation Council is important, we are not scarce on reports on how to sort out the problems of our economy, many of which contain common themes about introducing Government programmes, establishing committees, introducing new tax breaks and increased public spending. If that were a recipe for success we would have achieved the great goal of full employment many years ago. This report appears to be following that well worn path and I groan inwardly when I hear about yet another task force. I am not taking from the Minister's determination in regard to science and technology, particularly research and development, but it goes against the grain to hear of proposals that often do not facilitate the Minister's objective.

I am sure all Members would agree we do not devote sufficient resources to research and development and that to a large extent — as is obvious from the report — it has been ignored. However, we must be careful not to compound the problem in our efforts to resolve it. Implementation of the report would require a high level of spending. Increased public spending must be funded from increased taxation but our penal taxation levels are the main barrier to job creation. In recent years we have established a plethora of agencies, committees and quangoes as part of our economic development strategy. From my short involvement in business I know that one of the last things business needs is increased bureaucracy. If we are to increase State spending on research and development it should be funded from savings made elsewhere in the major industrial support budget which I believe is now running at approximately £500 million per annum. We do not need to tinker around with our taxation system. The report recommends special PRSI relief for those working in the research and development area. That is the wrong approach. Our party has always said — and I restate — that radical and comprehensive reform of our taxation system is required to reduce the burden of tax on all workers and encourage people to take up paid employment.

I do not wish to be overly-critical of the report. Mr. Tierney as counsel has produced a very valuable document which presents a clear analysis of the problems in the area of research and development. Some of the findings did not come as a great shock to many of us.

The report points out that innovation is the mainspring of international economic competitiveness. It states that we are not well positioned in respect of the new technological and market dynamics and that is true.

It is depressing to read that we barely avoid the laggards categorisation, and that is due to the assistance of EU Structural Fund support. That does not inspire great confidence in our industries in terms of their dedication to research and development. Irish industry has been lacking in that area for many years. There should be an increase in investment in research and development and we should consider ways of bringing that about. Most industries that have invested in research and development are involved in the foreign sector. The record of our indigenous industries in that regard is depressing and does not augur well for development of those industries.

I particularly welcome the report's recognition that we lack an enterprise culture. It states it is essential that we create such a culture and recognises that there is a negative attitude to entrepreneurship, risk taking and innovation in many aspects of Irish economic life. Any society that imposes a marginal tax rate of 56 per cent on average industrial earnings cannot be surprised at the lack of an enterprise culture. Enterprise is about a willingness to take risks, but people will not take risks if they have to surrender to the Government more than half of the gains resulting from their efforts. The report highlights the findings of the recent world competitiveness survey for 1994. Of the 41 countries surveyed Ireland was placed tenth from the bottom in terms of management having a sense of entrepreneurship. That position will not change unless we put in place a tax system that rewards effort and risk.

The sections of the report dealing with the food sector make depressing reading. Food is our most important indigenous manufacturing industry. According to the report, Irish food manufacturers spend only 0.5 per cent of their net output on research and development. That is an alarmingly low figure by international standards. The report describes this sector as one of the least innovative in this Irish economy. That is the case despite the fact that consumer tastes are changing rapidly and a huge variety of new products are launched on the market every year. Eating patterns today are much different from those when I was growing up but there has not been a great response to that change from the leading companies in the food industry.

It is not surprising that our exports are largely confined to low value commodity-type products such as butter and skimmed milk powder. On the other hand we import from other European countries ever-increasing quantities of sophisticated processed food products and ready meals. Total imports of meat and dairy products amount to almost £250 million per year. Efforts to make improvements in this regard have not met with great success. For instance, many experts have singled out cheese as a prospective growth area, yet Irish cheese manufacturers tend to locate their cutting and packing operations in Britain. These are labour intensive activities and it makes more financial sense to hire people in Britain where lower tax rates mean lower labour costs.

Research and development cannot be viewed in isolation from other aspects of economic management. Not only has our nearest neighbour a low tax, proenterprise economy but such an economy exists in another part of this island. No amount of technological sophistication will be of value unless we move urgently to close the gap between personal tax rates in this country and the UK.

Education also has a part to play in this matter. Despite improvements in our education system, with regional technical colleges more conscious of developments in science and technology, our school curriculum lacks emphasis on the possibilities in this area. Our staid, conseravative attitude to education underpins the negative attitude to research and development in industry. There is a contrast between lack of investment in research and development in indigenous industry and the attitude of foreign based, multinational companies. A significant break-through must be made in that regard. I welcome the fact that the Minister is initiating debate and focusing on research and development.

In recent years I was approached by people in this area who asked me to use my influence — as if in my position I would have great influence — to change the attitudes that are endemic in terms of research and development. The people involved in industry and business must realise that there will be no potential for development of their businesses without the innovation that results from research and development. This is an intrinsic part of the growth pattern of any of our industries, particularly the indigenous ones.

I should have said at the outset that I wish to share my time with Deputy Séamus Brennan. Is that in order?

That is very kind of the Deputy. What are the speaking arrangements?

I have to call the Minister of State at 6.50 p.m. Deputy Seán Kenny is also anxious to participate in the debate.

I do not want to exclude other speakers who wish to contribute.

I could give a few minutes of my time to Deputy Kenny if he wishes to speak.

I thank the Minister of State. The Deputy may continue until 6.50 p.m. if she so desires.

We are lagging very seriously behind in the whole area of information technology, which needs support. The multinationals provide high levels of employment in that sector which it is important for us to link into through our indigenous industry. We should encourage development in that sector.

I get great pleasure reading publications such as The Motoring Times as I aspire to owning a big car some day. I read recently about the latest BMW which, it is claimed, has more computer capacity than the Apollo space craft from which men landed on the moon. That points to the whole area of scientific development, in which we are greatly lacking. For example, I do not see a continuum of investment in awareness in our school system which would lead to the required expertise and involvement and which is very important to encourage.

We talk about creating an enterprise society but we cannot make people enterprising. All we can do is create the right climate and give people the rewards they deserve. This report represents a base from which to start in terms of that encouragement. We have a corpus of information and a realisation of how much there is to be done. I am not sure that setting up a task force is the right way to approach this and I hope the Minister will focus on what he wants that task force to do. He should also look again at how research and development is funded. There should be an onus on industry to realise that investment in research will pay off in terms of company development and future employment.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate. Science and technology play a very important role in our economy. We must ensure that our schools and businesses have access to the latest technology. Recently, much media attention was given to a number of official publications and economic commentaries which painted a very healthy picture of Ireland's economic performance and prospects. In a small open economy like ours growth and employment are heavily dependent on competitiveness. The United States commission on industrial competitiveness defined competitiveness as the degree to which an economy can, under free, fair and market conditions, produce goods and services which meet the test of international markets, while simultaneously maintaining and expanding the real income of its citizens.

The National Economic and Social Council recently pointed out that the degree and pace of integration by Ireland into the global economy will intensify. Employment growth can only be achieved by increasing the competitiveness of Irish firms and labour. In fact, the competitive strength of our country is reflected in its capacity to promote and sustain innovation.

Competitiveness is, therefore, related to technological change and the capacity to innovate and adopt new technologies. Science and technology, therefore, have an integral role to play in the development of our economy. Our recent economic improvements will not be sustained without a fundamental change in our approach to the issue of science, technology and innovation. As the Tierney report notes, such a change is essential to generate the dynamism necessary to create a highly competitive indigenous sector and to continue to attract and integrate foreign investment into our economy in order to make a significant and lasting impact on the problem of unemployment.

Innovation based on the application of science and technology is now the mainspring of international economic competitiveness. Innovation and the promotion of an innovative society in all areas must become paramount objectives in Ireland's economic strategy and the key to sustained national growth. The achievers in today's international marketplace are those who master high technology which enables them to achieve high standards of living. Science, technology and innovation are central to this competitiveness. As a result, firms and governments must take a long-term view of research and development if they are to be successful in improving competition.

Despite the awareness of the importance of innovation we in Ireland have, up to now, adopted a passive approach and the pace and volume of technology diffusion across the economy has been insufficient. We must improve this. Technical change has come about, for the most part, through our attracting foreign companies or importing technology in the form of finished products. The Tierney report notes that we have assumed that, as a small and relatively isolated economy, we do not need to develop our own expertise and can rely on purchasing the innovation of others. While this approach was seen to be the most obvious one given the high amount of foreign investment in Ireland, it has failed us. The weakness of the Irish national system of innovation is the absence of effective indigenous linkages within the innovation of foreign companies based in Ireland.

The Culliton report also referred to our failure to address the need to develop a strong, indigenous base in manufacturing and natural resource based industries. The Tierney report asserts that behind this failure is a lack of an innovation culture within Irish enterprise. The failure to establish a national system of innovation is a significant barrier to the long-run competitiveness of the Irish economy. There is a glaring need in Ireland to adopt a new vision of innovation which would provide the motivation for enterprises, individuals and the public sector. The National Economic and Social Council states that it is necessary to identify mechanisms to strengthen the learning process at the level of industry and society as a whole.

Increased wealth and highly skilled employment will not occur until indigenous enterprise has been significantly transformed. In order for this transformation to be realised, the level of business expenditure on research and development has to be increased. At present, Irish businesses spend about half the international average on research and development and this is a significant factor in the poor performance of indigenous industry. We must encourage firms to adopt a more open approach to research and development.

Another important factor in the establishment of a progressive and effective national innovation system will be the third level sector. Innovation is fundamentally grounded in learning and the third level sector in Ireland plays a central role in providing research expertise, information and skilled individuals at present, problems exist which inhibit the ability of the third level sector to make a maximum contribution to economic development. In relation to existing research activities in the third level sector, there is a need to improve mechanisms and procedures for the transfer of knowledge from colleges to industry and other users.

I am prepared to halve my time with Deputy Séamus Brennan, my predecessor, if that is agreeable.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I thank the Minister of State for his generous offer. A great deal could be said on this topic and I regret we do not have more time to debate this important subject. I congratulate the Minister on bringing the report to fruition. I thank him for his excellent leadership of the science community. I thank the chairman, Mr. Dan Tierney, for his excellent work and the officials at the office of science and technology for the great work they have been doing in this area for many years.

STIAC was convened because the successful management of the economy, no less than any company, is crucially dependent on the creation, diffusion, transfer and commercialisation of knowledge. Such intellectual capital knowledge is the key determinant in gaining national competitive advantage and is the basis of innovation. Without such innovation we would not be able to generate necessary jobs and growth. Our future standard of living, economic status and capacity to benefit from and contribute to global technology and the technology-driven global economy will depend on the strength of our science and technology base and our capacity to innovate.

The integration of science and technology in industrial policy is vital. It can no longer be an add on factor; it is central to the development of our industrial base and our competitiveness. I commend FORFÁS for bringing a new policy capability to science and technology policy. I look forward to the forthcoming report of the Travers Task Force regarding the implementation of the STIAC report. Perhaps at some future date the Minister will indicate which recommendations of the report have been implemented. I am aware some of them are ongoing. What are his specific priorities regarding their implementation over the next few months? Will the forthcoming budget make adequate provision for the funding of the recommendations? I express some disappointment that the Government's reaction to the report will not be available until early 1996. That will be too late to provide for its recommendations in the 1996 budget. It appears that budget will not be an exciting one for the science and technology community. The Minister may not wish to await the completion of that report before taking action, and such a decision would be welcome.

I wish to highlight the role the European Structural Funds have played in this area, but I warn against relying on them in the long term. That would be a dangerous strategic decision on our part. However, we should acknowledge the role of the Commission in developing science and technology policy in Ireland. We should also acknowledge the role played by third level institutions such as Dublin Institute of Technology and regional technical colleges. They are a valuable base. When I held the post now held by the Minister of State, Deputy Rabbitte, I learned the hard way that the funding of basic science cannot be neglected as that type of blue sky research investment must be made early on to secure future results.

When I was Minister for Education I recall closely examining the university structures and their cost units and reached the conclusion that greater coordination between the Department of Education and the office of science and technology would benefit science and technology policy in that, rather than the pursuit of separate agendas, it would achieve greater direction.

The establishment of a science park is a difficult ministerial decision, but it would be foolish not to consider establishing a science park adjacent to universities where there is a reservoir of resources and abilities. I question if it would be wise to distance a national science park from such available scientific resources.

There are many other matters I wish to raise but I do not wish to encroach further on the Minister's time. I thank the Minister for bringing this report to conclusion and putting his strong stamp on science and technology policy which I had the honour to initiate. I thank him for bringing forward this report.

I thank the Members of the House who have contributed to the debate which was foreshortened by circumstances none of us could have foreseen. I thank my predecessor, Deputy Brennan, for establishing the STIAC Council and initiating this important review of our STI capability. It is an important report and in saying that one does not have to agree with its 150 or so recommendations. It is a timely and important boost to public understanding of a critical issue for our future competitiveness.

I acknowledge some of the weaknesses of the report identified by Deputy O'Keeffe. Any report is bound to be the product of the amalgam of persons that make it up. It is something of an achievement in this area to be able to secure such a review of our STI policy between two covers given the disparate interests involved. Deputy Brennan made passing reference to a lesson he learned about the importance of basic research, one I am being taught at present. There are different interests involved and it is something of an achievement to produce a report on this area. It is a matter for Government to decide what the priorities ought to be.

I note Deputy O'Keeffe's criticism that there is too much spend, spend, spend about the report, but in the same breath he drew my attention to the considerable budget available to my opposite number across the water. There is a conflict between criticising the STIAC report in that it anticipates more funding than will be available and then pointing to the significant expenditure in the bigger economy next door. I take the Deputy's point in the spirit it was intended. There is a struggle for resources. It is fair to say that not every Member of the House, industrialist or journalist is as au fait with this subject as one would like. Political priorities dictate. From that point of view there is not much point in my rising to debate matters relating to the Department of Finance. It is a political decision, not one specific to the Department of Finance. I do not know, but I probably will learn, if it is true that the Department of Finance does not attach the same premium to the question of STI policy as I do. I am all ears, eager and confident that the Department of Finance will recognise the inherent sagacity of the recommendations made in this report and will fund them.

As Deputy Brennan said, a number of the recommendations have been implemented. I am interested in the decisions made in this year's Finance Act in terms of encouraging additional spending in research and development. The effects of those decisions monitored over three years will prove interesting.

Deputy O'Keeffe asked that I specifically reply to the question of the European Space Agency. There was a hiccup in 1993, but as a result of the recent meeting of scientific Ministers at Toulouse we were successful in surmounting some of the problems confronting the future of the European Space Agency. My officials and I have been successful in putting together a creative solution to fund the deficit we inherited.

The Minister is the Tom Hanks of the Government.

That is now happily put to bed. Our membership of the European Space Agency continues. Last week I was happy to preside over the signing of £7.5 million worth of contracts by one company, Devtec, the kind of company to which Deputy O'Keeffe has referred that has benefited from our membership of the European Space Agency. I thank the Deputies who contributed to the debate.

I accept the validity of many of the points Deputy O'Keeffe raised in relation to information technology but it is not a question of either or. The existence of some of the leading players indicates the importance economic policy or industrial strategy places on attracting these companies. It is not a question of abandoning the indigenous sector in favour of growing our information technology sector, a point emphasised by Deputy O'Keeffe.

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