Metrology Bill, 1996: Report and Final Stages.

I move amendment No. 1:

In page 7, line 40, after "may" to insert, "with the consent of the Minister,".

On Committee Stage Deputy Ned O'Keeffe raised a number of matters in this regard and I agreed to consider the question of fees before Report Stage. I am a firm advocate of State companies having as much commercial freedom as possible in their day-to-day operations. However, I have some sympathy with the points made in Committee by Deputy Ned O'Keeffe, in particular because the activities concerned are prescribed by law. My amendment will enable the Minister to retain control on the level of fees charged while, at the same time according a degree of commercial freedom to Forbairt.

Deputy O'Keeffe had also asked for a list of the current rates of fees charged by the Weights and Measures Service. Detailed information is available in the following regulations: Weights and Measures, Verification and Stamping Fees Order, 1992 — Statutory Instrument 18 of 1992; Taxi Meter Fees on Verification and Stamping by Special Inspectors (No. 2) (Regulations 92)— Statutory Instrument 261 of 1962. Examples of the rates in these regulations are: supermarket weighing scales — £18; weighbridge of 60 tonne capacity — £147; petrol pumps — £37; taxi meter — £20.

Existing fee income is of the order of £400,000 per annum, or approximately 25 per cent of the total cost of operating the service. A significant change in the level of income is not envisaged in the short-term. As I said on Second Stage, because of its infrastructural nature, it is not envisaged that the new service will operate on a total cost recovery basis. This would require increases which could place fee levels beyond the capacity of many small traders. Verification fees collected by Garda Síochána,ex-offico inspectors of weights and measures, are lodged in the Department of Justice whereas those collected by the weights and measures inspectors in Dublin Corporation and the area of the former borough of Dún Laoghaire are retained by those local authorities. The 1995 incomes which Deputy O'Keeffe asked about are as follows: gardaí, £280,000; Dublin and Dún Laoghaire, £107,000.

I thank the Minister for providing the relevant information. Will the rates vary in line with increases in the economy generally? Does he envisage that the Legal Metrology Service will be self-financing or will it continue to get State funding — in other words will the traders and business people who must by statute avail of the service fund it?

Let us not forget the procedure which ought to apply on Report Stage. Before I ask the Minister of State to reply to the debate on amendment No. 1 do other Members wish to intervene? The Minister of State will reply to the debate on amendment No. 1.

It is not intended that the Legal Metrology Service will function on a self-financing basis. The fee income is of the order of 25 per cent of the cost of running the service and it is not intended that it will significantly change. Given the nature of the service provided and its importance in terms of trade and so on, it is part of the infrastructure and it is necessary for the State to ensure that it is done properly and without prejudice to commercial imperative. It is not intended that it will become a self-financing service, nor is there an intention that I can tell the Deputy about in regard to the fees charged. As I explained, and for the same reasons as I outlined, it is important that the fees are pitched at a level that does not deter small traders. It is not the intention of the legislation to change the level of the fees charged, undoubtedly as the years pass there will be adjustments but they will be in line with the general philosophy I outlined.

Amendment agreed to.

I observe that amendments Nos. 2 and 3 are related and I suggest, therefore, that we discuss amendments Nos. 2 and 3 in the name of Deputy O'Keeffe together. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I move amendment No. 2:

In page 9, between lines 13 and 14, to insert the following:

"(d) an inspector for the purposes of the Weights and Measures Acts, 1878 to 1961, who agrees to be seconded from An Garda Síochána to Forfás,".

I re-entered these Committee Stage amendments because of the problems that will arise for approximately 20 Sergeants of Weights and Measures from the old service on their transfer to the new service. These people are looking for their entitlements. I put forward the argument on Committee Stage and what I said then still stands. These people have given sterling service to the weights and measure service and in many instances they have only a short period before retirement. I understand there are proposals that they may revert to the Garda Síochána but it is not easy for people who have been involved in a different type of operation since they joined the Weights and Measures service with the status of sergeant to revert to uniform and be assigned to point duty which they might find they are not qualified for because of the work they did in the intervening period.

These men have given excellent service and were greatly admired. They advised traders on how to operate the scales and measures. There should be a phasing in because of the small number involved and the length of their service. I am not aware of the Minister's position on whether he is accepting my amendments. I will press my amendments as I did on Committee Stage.

I appreciate that Deputy O'Keeffe feels strongly about this issue I have had the matter examined in very considerable detail prior to and since Committee Stage, when I acknowledged the arguments advanced by Deputy O'Keeffe and colleagues from all sides of the House.

As I indicated to the committee, there is an agreement in place setting out the detailed arrangement under which the gardaí may opt for transfer to Forfás. This agreement was reached through the normal negotiating procedures of the Garda Conciliation Council after long and detailed discussions. Secondment, having been ruled out earlier in the talks, formed no part of it. The agreement provides that the Garda Weights and Measures inspectors who opt for transfer to Forfás will retain their existing pay rates and allowances as well as other conditions on a personal basis. However, in deference to the views strongly expressed by Deputy O'Keeffe and other Members at the Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy and elsewhere, I agreed without commitment to raise this secondment issue directly with my colleague the Minister for Justice. Secondment is first and foremost a matter for the current employer. I have received a comprehensive reply from the Minister for Justice and I will quote directly from her letter of 5 June 1996:

The question of secondment of the Garda Sergeants attached to the Weights and Measures Inspectorate was raised in late 1993 when discussions started on the setting up of the new Legal Metrology Service. At that time, the Garda Commissioner expressed to my Department his opposition to the secondment of members of the Force to the new Service and he has restated this view as recently as April of this year.

One of the difficulties which would arise from a secondment arrangement is that the Garda Sergeants concerned would continue to be employed as members of the Garda Síochána but would be performing their function as Inspectors in accordance with the provisions in the Metrology Bill under the proposed Director of the Legal Metrology Service. This in effect would mean that they would not be under the general direction and control of the Garda Commissioner. Such an arrangement would not be in accordance with Section 8 (i) of the Police Forces Amalgamation Act, 1925 which provides that "The general direction and control of the amalgamated force shall, subject to regulation made under or continued in force by this Act, be vested in the Commissioner of the amalgamated force who shall be styled and known as the Commissioner of the Garda Síochána".

In addition, the commissioner is subject to the constraints of the several Acts and regulations currently in place concerned with the management and control of the Force. I fully agree with the commissioner's view in this matter and I am satisfied that the secondment arrangement is not a viable option for the transfer of members of the Force to the new service.

As you are aware, 20 Garda sergeants are affected by the reorganisation of the weights and measures service. In the knowledge that secondment was not a viable option, discussions between your Department [the Department of Enterprise and Employment], the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors and my Department were ongoing for a very lengthy period (over 2-3 years) on the conditions on offer to those Garda sergeants who choose to transfer to the new Legal Metrology Service under the auspices of Forbairt. The aim of these discussions was to ensure that members who so choose would not lose out in any way and would retain their existing pay and conditions.

Agreement was reached between all parties concerned in December 1995 on the terms and conditions of transfer to the new service. The agreement stated that those members who join the new service shall no longer be members of the Garda Síochána. I must reiterate that agreement was reached after long and exhaustive discussion and all the parties involved accepted this agreement.

Finally, I would like to highlight the fact that the Garda sergeants concerned may opt to transfer to the new metrology service on the conditions and terms agreed or continue their careers in the Garda Síochána, an option which is, and always has been, open to them.

In light of the position outlined by the Minister for Justice, I regret I am unable to accept Deputy O'Keeffe's amendments.

We were aware of what that letter from the Minister of Justice, in which she mentioned the Garda Commissioner, would contain. The issue is somewhat deeper than that. I am aware of the offers of transfer, the pay and conditions and the entitlements. However, the persons who have worked in this service for many years and are now in the final phase of their job are not really worried about pay and conditions, but about loss of status and change at a time when they have few years left in the work place. The loss of status is the issue.

The Minister of State and I could reach a compromise on this if he agreed to insert something into the Bill. This House makes laws to be observed by our citizens. If we want to change the law we have to bring in amending or enabling legislation or new Bills. We on this side of the House look for new legislation every morning and get promises from the Taoiseach. If the Minister of State accepted one of my amendments we could overcome this.

The people concerned will reach the end of their working lives in a few years, at which time they could retire graciously. We all dislike losing status. I am sure there will be a change in this House after the next general election and the Minister of State in the Department of Enterprise and Employment will not like being transferred to this side of the House and the loss of status involved but at least there is severance pay for Ministers. He should put himself in the position of this small number of people who deserve recognition and better treatment. The Garda Commissioner will adopt the statutory line. Loss of status disturbs people and can affect their health. I ask the Minister of State to re-examine this. He has powers under the Bill and we will make the law this morning. He can insert a provision whereby they can operate within the service.

At present, they have the status of sergeants of weights of measures, having being seconded from the Garda Síochána. It is a very influential position which was inherited from the previous police force in this country. They have carried out their work with dedication and efficiency and provided an excellent service to traders. Now, because of changes in the area of weights and measures, they are to be uprooted. If that happened in the private sector, industrial action involving strikes and pickets, would be taken and they would be defended but in this case they have been left fairly defenceless.

I appeal to the Minister of State to re-examine the matter and to agree to a compromise. He knows the dates on which they should retire. After the year 2000, which is only four years away, only two will be left, if my information is correct. They are asking for a very small concession. Government and Opposition should seek the welfare of all our people.

There is only a small number of people involved in this very prestigious service. They have an option of returning to the Force with the same rates of pay or of accepting the loss of status. Entering a new service with a new management structure is a huge change for people who are over 50 years of age. The service has worked well, there was no dissatisfaction with how it operated. That is a measure of the dedication and strength of the people who worked there. We must give them the recognition they deserve.

There is merit in my amendments. I would not be as enthusiastic about pressing them if they dealt with issues of a monetary or business nature because I recognise the role of Government. I am sure the Minister will give some ground so that we can reach an agreement on this.

Without deviating from the procedures which should apply at this time, and without precedent of any kind, if the Minister of State wishes to comment very briefly on the appeal made by Deputy O'Keeffe, the Chair will not intervene.

I am obliged to you, Sir, and I will be brief. In all honesty, if I was on Deputy O'Keeffe's side of the House I would probably make similar arguments to those he has made. If it was a matter of judgment only, in terms of the legislation being enacted, I would accede to his request. However, it is a bit more than that. The net issue at the end of the day is the violence which would be done to the Garda Acts.

I have examined this in considerable detail. On the face of it, the request is a reasonable one. I acknowledge that, as Deputy O'Keeffe said, it is not about retention of pay and conditions. However, it is important for me to put on the record of the House that the retention of pay and conditions is protected in the legislation, lest the impression to the contrary be given. Deputy O'Keeffe's assertion that it is a matter of the loss of status for the people concerned, is probably an accurate summary. There is no doubt that in certain circumstances this can be an important matter to people who have done something career wise all of their lives. It is not difficult to understand why the people concerned regard themselves as members of the Garda Síochána and do not want at a late stage of their service to be considered otherwise I accept this.

I accept also that this House has primacy and that one is obliged to look at our law. It is the adamant opinion of the Garda Commissioner, which is supported in its entirety by the Minister for Justice, that it would establish an extraordinary precedent and in the process do violence to the Garda Síochána Acts. I regret, therefore, that I have no option but to accept the advice available to me.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 62; Níl, 68.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Brennan, Matt.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Fox, Mildred.
  • Foxe, Tom.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hughes, Séamus.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, James.
  • Moffatt, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P. J.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Liz.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Batt.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Quill, Máirín.
  • Ryan, Eoin.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Woods, Michael.

Níl

  • Ahearn, Theresa.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Bhamjee, Moosajee.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Bhreathnach, Niamh.
  • Broughan, Tommy.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kemmy, Jim.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McDowell, Derek.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Mulvihill, John.
  • Noonan, Michael (Limerick East).
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Finucane, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Brian.
  • Fitzgerald, Eithne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Gallagher, Pat.
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Penrose, William.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sheehan, P. J.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Upton, Pat.
  • Walsh, Eamon.
  • Yates, Ivan.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies D. Ahern and Callely; Níl, Deputies J. Higgins and B. Fitzgerald.
Amendment declared lost.

We now proceed to amendment No. 3 which was discussed with amendment No. 2. How stands the amendment?

I move amendment No. 3:

In page 10, between lines 42 and 43, to insert the following:

"(d) a person who for the time being stands appointed under the Weights and Measures Acts, 1878 to 1961, as an inspector of Weights and Measures and agrees to be seconded to Forfás for that purpose,".

This amendment is similar to the previous amendment and both amendments were discussed together. I wish to express my total disappointment——

I am sorry Deputy, you may only indicate now what you intend to do. You may not speak again.

I am pressing the amendment.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 60; Níl, 68.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Brennan, Matt.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, James.
  • Moffatt, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P. J.
  • Nolan, M. J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Liz.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Fox, Mildred.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Hughes, Séamus.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • O'Keeffe, Batt.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Ryan, Eoin.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Woods, Michael.

Níl

  • Ahearn, Theresa.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Bhamjee, Moosajee.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Bhreathnach, Niamh.
  • Broughan, Tommy.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Finucane, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Brian.
  • Fitzgerald, Eithne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Gallagher, Pat (Laoighis-Offaly).
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kemmy, Jim.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McDowell, Derek.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Mulvihill, John.
  • Noonan, Michael (Limerick East).
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Penrose, William.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Sheehan, P.J.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Upton, Pat.
  • Walsh, Eamon.
  • Yates, Ivan.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies D. Ahern and Callely; Níl, Deputies J. Higgins and B. Fitzgerald.
Amendment declared lost.
Bill reported with amendment.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass".

On a point of order, what happened to the members of Democratic Left and the Labour and Fine Gael parties since Committee Stage when they supported our argument? Today they voted against it. The Minister is the only one who has been consistent. He indicated that he was dictated to by the Garda Commissioner. The other members of Democratic Left and members of the Labour and Fine Gael parties voted against what they agreed with on the Committee Stage. Why did they do that?

We are dealing with Fifth Stage of this measure.

This is modern legislation. Yesterday we passed the Transnational Information and Consultation of Employees Bill. That progressive legislation was agreed in Brussels by Deputy O'Rourke when we were in Government and Deputy Kitt supported it yesterday. We took a step backwards this morning when we failed to give sergeants of weights and measures a say in their future. They will lose their status.

This is an historic day. I did not believe this would happen. Crocodile tears were shed by members of the middle left parties, or what I call the loony left, who frequently tell us how wrong we are on this side of the House. The glue is sticking, the three parties are staying together. They will probably use a stronger glue during the summer months when, as happened in the past, some Ministers will go around the country trying to discredit Fianna Fáil. We witnessed the start of this yesterday with the leaking of a document relating to the chief executive of Bord na Móna. The Minister for Transport, Energy and Communications, Deputy Lowry, will have to run from the fairies once again.

This is Fifth Stage of the Bill and the Deputy should refer only to the contents of the Bill. Remarks on this Stage must be brief.

We are dealing with the science of measurement, which is progressive legislation, but a difficulty arises in regard to the status of the personnel involved in those duties. Members on this side support the people concerned, but those opposite do not. I sympathise with the sergeants of weights and measures and fail to understand why a concession could not be granted in this case.

The House has made a decision on the matter.

I have no option but to oppose the Bill in its entirety. We will be regarded as the party that supports the working people.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 70; Níl, 60.

  • Ahearn, Theresa.
  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barrett, Seán.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Bhamjee, Moosajee.
  • Boylan, Andrew.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Bhreathnach, Niamh.
  • Broughan, Tommy.
  • Browne, John (Carlow-Kilkenny).
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Byrne, Eric.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Connor, John.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Higgins, Jim.
  • Higgins, Michael D.
  • Hogan, Philip.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kemmy, Jim.
  • Kenny, Seán.
  • Lynch, Kathleen.
  • McCormack, Pádraic.
  • McDowell, Derek.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGrath, Paul.
  • McManus, Liz.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Mulvihill, John.
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • Crawford, Seymour.
  • Creed, Michael.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • Currie, Austin.
  • Deasy, Austin.
  • Deenihan, Jimmy.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Ferris, Michael.
  • Finucane, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Brian.
  • Fitzgerald, Eithne.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Charles.
  • Foxe, Tom.
  • Gallagher, Pat (Laoighis-Offaly).
  • Gilmore, Eamon.
  • O'Shea, Brian.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Penrose, William.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Rabbitte, Pat.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Ryan, Seán.
  • Shatter, Alan.
  • Sheehan, P.J.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Upton, Pat.
  • Walsh, Eamon.
  • Yates, Ivan.

Níl

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Dermot.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Ahern, Noel.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Brennan, Matt.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Browne, John (Wexford).
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Clohessy, Peadar.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Coughlan, Mary.
  • Cowen, Brian.
  • Cullen, Martin.
  • Dempsey, Noel.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Flood, Chris.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Jacob, Joe.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Kenneally, Brendan.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Killeen, Tony.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael P.
  • Kitt, Tom.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Martin, Micheál.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McDaid, James.
  • Moffatt, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Ó Cuív, Éamon.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Liz.
  • O'Donoghue, John.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Batt.
  • O'Keeffe, Ned.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Seán.
  • Quill, Máirín.
  • Ryan, Eoin.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Wallace, Mary.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Woods, Michael.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies J. Higgins and B. Fitzgerald; Níl, Deputies D. Ahern and Callely.
Question declared carried.