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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 27 Jun 1996

Vol. 467 No. 6

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Farmers' Compensation Package.

Hugh Byrne

Question:

5 Mr. H. Byrne asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry whether the compensation package announced at the Florence Summit represents the final consideration by the EU of the amount to be paid to Irish farmers in respect of losses in view of the fall in cattle prices in Ireland; the reason promotional visits spearheaded by himself and involving the beef trade have not been organised, particularly to non-EU markets, with emphasis on the live trade; and the steps, if any, now being taken by the Government to avoid a cattle crisis in the autumn of 1974 proportions. [13919/96]

John O'Leary

Question:

22 Mr. O'Leary asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry the steps, if any, he is taking to ensure that the sale price of weanlings, one year old and two year old cattle, are maintained at the corresponding rate in September and October 1996 as during the comparative period in 1995. [13669/96]

Peadar Clohessy

Question:

23 Mr. Clohessy asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry the action, if any, he has taken and proposes to take to ensure that beef and store cattle coming on the market in the autumn of 1996 will find buyers and can be disposed of in an orderly way. [13774/96]

Mary Harney

Question:

24 Miss Harney asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry the measures, if any, he proposes to adopt to ensure that producers who depend on beef cattle production for their main source of income will receive priority under the BSE compensation package; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [13773/96]

Hugh Byrne

Question:

34 Mr. H. Byrne asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry the progress, if any, made at the Florence Summit to improve the compensation package on offer to Irish farmers from the EU in the wake of the BSE crisis. [13792/96]

Brendan Smith

Question:

47 Mr. B. Smith asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry the plans, if any, he will put forward as President of the European Council of Agriculture Ministers to put in place a compensation package to off-set the serious income losses that have occurred in the beef and livestock sector; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [13811/96]

Helen Keogh

Question:

55 Ms Keogh asked the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry when heifer producers will be included in EU cattle support schemes; if they will receive assistance under the BSE compensation measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [13775/96]

I propose to take Questions Nos. 5, 22, 23, 24, 34, 47 and 55 together.

I am pleased to inform the House that following difficult and protracted negotiations over the past three months, we have succeeded in agreeing a substantial compensation package for Irish producers at the Council of Ministers meeting in Luxembourg this week. The package, which also includes a continuation of the deseasonalisation premium in the context of the 1996-97 prices agreement, is worth more than £86 million to Irish beef producers. These measures will go a long way towards stabilising the industry by making up for losses arising from the BSE crisis and by ensuring that the more orderly slaughtering patterns brought about by the slaughter premium are maintained. Arising from the loss of confidence in beef, prices to producers have fallen though there has been some recovery in recent weeks.

The package is a significant improvement on the original proposal which was presented at the last Council of Ministers meeting. At that meeting the Commission proposed a financial package of 650 MECU for all EU producers of which 534 MECU would go towards the topping up of the suckler cow and special beef premia and 116 MECU to special national envelopes to be used for targeting those producers who would not be compensated through the increased premia. Under that package Irish producers would have received £58 million. While this was a substantial package it was inadequate to meet the losses being encountered by beef producers. Accordingly, the Government's efforts in getting additional compensation were rewarded at the Florence Summit when the Taoiseach along with Heads of other member states succeeded in getting the Commission to agree to a further increase in the ceiling of the order of 200 MECU. This brought the total value of the package to 850 MECU, or £700 million, and in the Commission's view this was the maximum available in the 1996 EU budget.

As a result of this increase the suckler cow premium top-up will now be £22.40 per cow and the special beef premium top-up for both the ten month and 22 month will be £19.08, while the special national discretionary envelope is increased to £13.3 million bringing the total to more than £70 million.

The difficulties in securing this level of funding can be appreciated when cognisance is taken of the fact that it represents approximately 10 per cent of the total package while Irish beef production is less than 7 per cent of the EU total. This represents the very best that could be achieved for Irish producers considering that producers in all member states have suffered major price reductions since the beginning of the crisis. In some cases the price reductions are greater than those experienced in Ireland.

The special envelope of £13.3 million comes with the in built flexibility to target those producers, particularly winter finishers, including vulnerable heifer producers, who have experienced the worst effects of this crisis. My Department will put a process in place to ensure that these payments are made speedily and in the case of the special envelope as equitably as possible. Effective market support measures have also been put in place at EU level to help the industry. The opening up of intervention with the lifting or easing of the weight restrictions along with the inclusion of 04 grades has been very helpful in clearing the backlog of cattle which had built up as a result of the crisis. The fact that there is no intervention tender this week from Ireland for adjudication at tomorrow's beef management committee would seem to indicate that the steer backlog has now been removed and cattle supplies are following the normal disposal pattern for this time of year.

The increase in export refunds by 12 per cent since 1 May has boosted third country trade. The major offensive at diplomatic and political level and through An Bord Bia have reassured the authorities in those markets of the safety and quality of Irish beef. Ministerial visits have been made over the past few months to our major markets in Europe including Russia, which is presently the biggest market for Irish beef. While most of our markets are now accepting Irish beef two very important ones remain closed. In the case of Libya, efforts are ongoing to finalise a ministerial visit and to arrange appointments with the appropriate Ministers there. In the case of Iran a veterinary delegation is expected in Ireland within the next week or so. I see this visit as the logical and essential next step to reopening that market. Good progress has also been made recently as regards freeing product in store which was produced for Iran prior to the BSE crisis.

Because of the fall in consumption in the EU it is recognised that the opening of vital third country markets will be a very important factor in underpinning cattle prices in the autumn. I will also be insisting on adequate market support measures being available to remove the beef surplus from the market. The continuation of the deseasonalisation premium will also be critical in encouraging an orderly disposal of cattle towards the end of the year. If these measures do not ensure an adequate return to producers and reasonable outlets for processors I will be seeking other measures later.

I wish to take this question in ordinary time. By that I mean that other Members may intervene.

After the flowers and frills and an indication by the Minister that he had a wonderful package for us does he accept, on the basis of what we know and what the farm organisations have said, that the package will meet less than half the losses sustained by farmers since the BSE crisis? Why were losses incurred before 20 March discounted? Why were export refunds not discussed at Luxembourg? Given the constraints imposed by GATT on the Commission's room to manoeuvre on export refunds, why have steps not been taken to have GATT renegotiated, given that because of the BSE crisis, we would be well entitled to do so?

Losses before 20 March were incurred prior to the BSE crisis. This package is targeted at people who have been affected by that crisis. I am sure all farmers will gain. Those who suffered losses before 20 March will gain through premia payments and BSE payments for later dates.

The House agreed when the last GATT agreement was negotiated by the Fianna Fáil Minister of the day and the then Agriculture Commissioner, Mr. MacSharry, that it would have an adverse impact on Irish agriculture. Export refunds were reduced as a direct result of that agreement. I agree that GATT agreement was very bad for Ireland. We should take steps to do something about it.

Are we going to renegotiate GATT?

We should strive toward a better deal for Irish farmers in the next round of GATT negotiations. I am glad to hear the Deputy admit that the last GATT agreement was not good for Ireland and I thank him for that statement.

Where did the three boom years come from?

The Deputy knows that chickens come home to roost. I would expect Deputy Byrne to pour cold water on the agreement. As far as I am concerned, we produce 7 per cent of the produce and we got 10 per cent of the package. That was very good. I am sure that we did better than any other country in Europe. All European countries are suffering a major problem and some of them have been affected more than us.

Arrangements are now in place for a ministerial visit to Libya. We have been waiting for this for some time and I hope it will prove to be beneficial. An Iranian delegation will be visiting Ireland in two weeks time. They are in France at present. I hope we can make more progress in the Egyptian market. I am confident that the situation will have eased for our producers and processors before the end of the year. However, I do not want to paint too much of an optimistic picture here, but there is a major challenge ahead for our producers in this whole area. During the budget negotiations in October the Minister will have an opportunity to seek further compensation for Irish beef producers.

Is the Minister suggesting there was no crisis in the beef industry prior to 20 March? If so, what were the farmers' marches in February and March outside this gate about? The Minister knows full well there was a serious crisis then which was exacerbated by the BSE crisis. Will the Minister agree that the export refund crisis has affected this country far more than any other economy in the EU and that therefore we had expected a much greater return? Will the Minister accept that less than half of the problem is accommodated? Given the Taoiseach's statement yesterday that consumer confidence is the key to recovery for the beef sector, why were the consumer issues not addressed at either Florence or Luxembourg? What proposals are there to promote consumer confidence?

That should be adequate for the time being.

The price reductions arose principally from the GATT agreement and everyone knew export refunds would be reduced. That was part of the crisis at that time. This compensation package was negotiated on the basis of losses suffered because of the BSE scare. Regarding consumer issues discussed at Florence, there is a proposal for a major promotion and marketing drive within the EU to be put in place to restore consumer confidence in the beef industry and get people to eat meat again.

When will this happen?

This has been suggested already and is ongoing. If the EU is serious about restoring consumer confidence in the beef industry there will have to be a major promotion and marketing drive in the near future.

Who will fund this marketing drive to which the Minister of State has referred? Will it be funded in total by the EU? How will the £13 million discretionary money at his disposal be distributed? Will it be concentrated on people who depend on beef for their livelihood? When will there be a ministerial visit to the Middle East markets? Will the Minister of State confirm that the Irish Ambassador to Libya, who is based in Rome, has not visited Libya for four years? Surely this is proof of our claim that there is no concerted Government campaign to open up our third markets.

The £13 million will be directed at winter fatteners who are affected and at those who are selling heifers. There will be a particular difficulty in targeting the money at those selling heifers, given that heifers are not included in any scheme. An increase in the BSE package should help winter fatteners. Regarding the ministerial visit to Libya, hopefully arrangements will be put in place and the Minister should visit Libya — I do not have the specific date — in the next three to four weeks.

Is the Minister aware that farmers are seriously concerned about the prices for weanlings, one year old and two-and-a-half year old cattle in September and October when there is likely to be a glut in the market? Is the Minister aware that two year old bullocks and three year old bullocks are down £150 per head on this time last year? Does the Minister intend to address this problem and, if so, will he indicate what steps he will take to ensure that the prices of weanlings, one-and-a-half year old cattle and two-and-a-half year cattle are maintained in September and October at the same level as in 1995?

The Deputy is aware that I have had regular meetings with the IFA in Kerry. Last Monday evening I had a meeting in Tralee with the IFA in Munster on the beef crisis. I am hopeful that the top up suckler cow premium will be of considerable advantage for suckler cow farmers and also the top up beef premium. The suckler cow premium at £140 plus the top up of £23 will be of major help. The special beef premium at £90 per head plus the top up of £19 per head, for cattle up to ten months and under 22 months, should be of considerable assistance to those producers. I accept prices will not return to their former rates. The increased premiums will be of assistance to those farmers and will help in some way towards compensating them. I accept beef farmers will not be in the same financial position as this time last year. There are major difficulties ahead for beef farmers but I hope this package will help. If it does not work I am confident the Minister will seek further support during the budgetary discussions.

What initiatives will be taken at home to boost consumer confidence and beef product sales?

Bord Bia is in charge of the promotion and marketing of beef and has carried out a major public awareness campaign with the prime purpose of reassuring the consumer that Irish beef is safe to eat, that we have high veterinary standards, that beef is good for you and is important for a balanced diet. Recent medical evidence would confirm that. It has issued a large number of promotional leaflets through supermarkets, retail outlets and other sources. Bord Bia is doing an excellent job in promoting and restoring confidence in Irish beef. Recently the HORIZONS conference was a tremendous success. I hope that will help to restore confidence among Irish consumers and also among the numerous foreign buyers who came to the conference and were impressed with what they saw. A number of these people visited meat plants and farms throughout the country and have been reassured that the quality of Irish beef is on a par with the best in the world. They have said that openly.

I join the Minister of State in congratulating those associated with the HORIZONS conference. The presentation was excellent and I hope that as a result there will be increased sales. The Minister of State mentioned foreign markets and informed us that an Iranian veterinary delegation will visit here next week. Is he aware that during the debate on the Agriculture Estimate in committee the Minister confirmed that cross-Border surveillance to prevent illegal smuggling of cattle into this State costs approximately £400,000 per week or up to £20 million in a year? He also confirmed that a computerised movement permit system, compatible with that which exists in Northern Ireland, would cost in the region of £10 million. When will the Minister obtain approval from the Department of Finance to proceed with the introduction of such a system? Does the Minister of State agree that if such a system were in place, it would provide an unqualified guarantee — which many veterinary authorities, including the Iranians, have been seeking — that contaminated beef could not enter the food chain or the orders we export to Iran? Will he confirm that a computerised movement permit system is the best guarantee of traceability and that it would be cheaper than the current surveillance activities on the Border? Those gardaí would be better employed doing their primary job of guarding our citizens on the streets and in their homes.

The Minister recently announced that he proposed to put in place a credible traceability system at a cost of approximately £12 million, but other matters must be dealt with first. We lag behind other countries in terms of computerisation of cattle movements, herd testing and so on. Details of headage grants are computerised, but all matters must be co-ordinated and that will take time. Due to pressure to introduce a credible traceable system, the Minister indicated at the HORIZONS conference that this is the way he intends to proceed.

It is difficult to convince people throughout Europe and in third country markets that our veterinary regime differs from that which operates in Northern Ireland and Great Britain. If we allowed cattle to be taken across the Border without any controls in place it would be difficult to sell our beef abroad. Border surveillance has been successful in that regard. The Deputy may be aware of a documentary seen in Germany and elsewhere which showed Northern Ireland cattle moving in and out of this State on a number of occasions. That caused serious damage to our beef products. To reassure customers abroad we had to place proper surveillance along the Border so that cattle could not be smuggled from the North. There have been 129 cases of BSE in this State compared with approximately 1,700 cases in Northern Ireland. Therefore, while the surveillance is expensive, it is important in reassuring international customers that we operate a different system from Northern Ireland.

The Minister of State appears rather pessimistic on this issue. As it appears Libya, Iran and Egypt will take fewer numbers of our cattle, what efforts are being made to secure new markets? During the Presidency will the Government seek to increase export refunds and to renegotiate the difficulties that surround the GATT deal?

The Minister visited Russia recently, which appears to be our best beef market.

It is a dump for cows.

There is further potential there. An Bord Bia is endeavouring to secure additional market niches for our beef. The Minister's visit to Libya and the visit of the Iranian veterinary team next week should help to restore some of our market share to those countries. I also hope that live exports to Egypt will increase. I agree that the Irish Presidency is an ideal opportunity to enhance the image of Irish food and beef.

Will the Minister of State seek an increase to the September 1995 level in export refunds?

Absolutely. The Minister will use the Presidency to the full benefit of Irish farmers. Export refunds make exports to third countries more competitive.

The package announced at the Florence Summit will meet less than half the losses incurred by farmers because of BSE. Will the Minister confirm whether the compensation package represents the EU's final consideration of the amount to be paid to Irish farmers? I accept that the Minister of State is anxious to help. Is it possible to reintroduce the pre-1992 intervention system?

This will be the last compensation available under the 1996 budget, but negotiations will commence in October for the 1997 budget.

This is the end.

A free fall.

I am sure the Minister will do everything possible to increase export refunds, he has already commenced that process.

Is it possible to reintroduce the pre-1992 intervention system?

Intervention could be our saviour in the fall. Therefore, we must make it as attractive as possible. The Minister has already succeeded in making it more attractive for farmers by changing the weight specifications.

If he did that we would not be asking this question today.

The Minister will do everything possible to make intervention attractive for farmers and I will bring the Deputy's remarks to his attention.

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