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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 13 Mar 1997

Vol. 476 No. 4

Special Areas of Conservation: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann welcomes the publication of the Regulations for the designation of Special Areas of Conservation under the Statutory Instrument laid before the Oireachtas on the 26th February by the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht for the purpose of transposing into Irish law the terms of the Habitats Directive of the European Union in accordance with the terms of the European Communities Act 1972; and notes with approval the success of the Minister in promoting a spirit of partnership between all those concerned for the conservation of the Irish countryside in advancing the objectives of the Directive.

The recent signing and publication of the regulations allowing for the designation of special areas of conservation represent several significant achievements. The regulations provide a sound basis for the long-term future of the conservation and protection of our native habitats for wildlife, acknowledge the critical role of farmers and farming practice in creating and maintaining areas of high conservation value and operate to channel very important income to many small farmers and landowners. The process recognises the crucial elements of a partnership approach in nature conservation, a partnership of government, farming and other conservation interests. Tá i gceist agam cúpla focal a rá faoi na réimsí éagsúla sin, ceann ina cheann.

On the various occasions that these issues have been discussed in the House there has been consensus that the natural heritage has been seriously damaged. Many habitat sites and species of fauna and flora have been destroyed, degraded or are seriously threatened. We all know that this cannot continue, the responsibility to deal with the critical issues needs to be grasped and remedial action taken. I have sought through the partnership approach referred to in the motion to take that responsibility and to put in place the appropriate remedial action. The Habitats Directive and the enabling regulations which I have signed, with the financial package being put in place, represent the most significant elements of that response. This directive does not seek to apply conservation measures to all sites and wildlife habitats which are of significance for wildlife either in Ireland or the European Union as a whole; rather its purpose is to protect the very best of what we have left and, in particular, those sites and habitats that are important in a European context. Specifically, it is designed to protect, through designation as special areas of conservation, natural habitats which are in danger of disappearance, are rare or represent outstanding examples of their type.

I wish to refer to some of these habitats in an Irish context. We are all familiar with blanket bogs, which occur mainly in upland areas and are concentrated in the west, and raised bogs which were once typical of the midlands. I want to be clear and frank about why intervention is needed urgently. No less than 8 per cent of the world's blanket bog is found in Ireland, which is the most important country in Europe for blanket bog. Lowland blanket bog is found only in Ireland and Scotland. Ireland supports some of the best remaining examples of raised bogs in Europe and these are probably the most extensive of their type in the world. However, there has been damage and loss on a huge and unacceptable scale. The sad reality is that a staggering 80-90 per cent of our blanket and raised bogs have been degraded or destroyed. This not only represents significant destruction of the national and European but also constitutes significant destruction of the global natural resource.

I wish to refer to another habitat type — turloughs — with which we are all familiar and of which we are justifiably proud. These occur in limestone areas mainly in the centre part of the country west of the Shannon, most commonly in counties Galway, Clare, Mayo and Roscommon. These seasonal lakes are unique to Ireland, but once again destruction is widespread. At least one third of all turloughs in Ireland — and, therefore, in Europe — have been destroyed by drainage and those that remain are under threat from drainage, pollution and other factors.

I want to mention one further habitat type, that being limestone pavement. The most important parts of the country in which this is found are the Burren and the Aran Islands. This is a wildlife habitat and landscape of international importance. This habitat is also vulnerable to damage, sometimes through clearance of the limestone pavement, reclamation or farming practices.

While the directive and the regulations concentrate on the protection of habitats by designating the prime sites as special areas of conservation, or SACs as they have come to be known, a relatively small number of species are also identified as requiring protection. These include, for example, the Killarney fern, Ireland having the largest population in Europe outside of Spain and Portugal, and the lesser horseshoe bat, a species for which Ireland is the most important country in Europe. Also included are species with which we may be even less familiar, such as a very rare and threatened species of fresh water pearl mussel which has only been recorded in this country, in the River Nore, and which currently faces extinction.

I could continue in a similar vein, but Deputies will clearly see the backdrop against which the directive, and subsequently the regulations, were framed. The habitats I have referred to, and the others covered by the regulations, are extremely important. All have suffered significant and often drastic losses and all are virtually or completely irreplaceable. The action taken in putting the regulations in place represents my commitment, as the Minister responsible for the heritage, and the commitment of the Government to turn back this tide for the benefit not just of the current generation but also as a worthy bequest to generations which will follow. If nothing else were achieved in the heritage area in the life of the Government, this in itself would represent a considerable achievement.

Having set out the urgent rationale for the directive and the regulations, I will now set out what these regulations will mean in practice for land owners and users. In signing the regulations on the 26 February and ensuring a fair financial package was put in place, I have not merely transposed the bones of the directive into Irish law. The regulations certainly incorporate the protective requirements contained in the directive, but they do much more than that. They put in place a fair process with provision for objections, appeals, arbitration, independent input and fair and proper compensation. I will briefly outline this process.

At this stage, proposed candidate SAC sites have been identified as the result of comprehensive surveys undertaken by the National Parks and Wildlife Service of my Department. The areas involved cover about 550,000 hectares in some 400 sites. Many of these valuable sites are contained in the western part of the country. The most extensive areas involve blanket bog, heath and uplands covering approximately 200,000 hectares; lakes and rivers, approximately 100,000 hectares; estuaries, mudflats and cliffs, approximately 90,000 hectares; a further 40,000 hectares of shallow bays and 54,000 hectares of saltmarsh, machair and sand dunes. Other habitats include 30,000 hectares of limestone pavement, 10,000 hectares of raised bogs, 15,000 hectares of fens and 3,000 hectares of turloughs. That is the composition of the national map.

Notification of the proposals to put forward sites as candidate SACs will be issued in three phases. The first batch of notifications will issue this week and relate to approximately 200 sites containing priority habitats such as blanket bog and uplands, raised bogs, turloughs, machair and limestone pavement. Every effort will be made to contact landowners directly, with each landowner being supplied with a map of the area being proposed for designation, a description of the site indicating the reason it is being put forward, an outline of likely damaging activities, and information on the procedures for objections and appeals, as well as on compensation.

In addition to making direct contact with known landowners, announcements and maps of the sites involved will be displayed in local Garda stations, local offices of the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry, Teagasc offices, local offices of the Department of Social Welfare, planning offices of local authorities and local offices of my own Department. Announcements will also be broadcast on local radio and placed in local newspapers. Furthermore, public meetings are being organised to provide information on candidate SACs and a freefone service is in place to provide information and answer queries relating to SACs. To complete this comprehensive package of information measures, local staff of the National Parks and Wildlife Service will be available to deal with specific issues with individual landowners, users and other interested parties.

As has been pointed out on a number of occasions, the habitats directive is a conservation measure and only allows for objections to proposed designations on scientific grounds — that is in the directive. I am, however, putting in place a board, representative of farming and other conservation interests, as well as an independent chairperson, which will advise me on such objections. The procedure being put in place will allow landowners and others the opportunity to object to the proposal to put forward the site. They can object to the inclusion of the site in the candidate list, the proposed boundaries or the conditions specified, but the objections may be on scientific grounds only, which are derived from the directive. My Department is actively examining how best landowners or users who may have grounds to object can so do in the most effective and cheapest way possible. Parties will be invited to contact the NPWS in the first instance, and only if issues cannot be dealt with in an informal fashion will the formal process come into play. When I speak about "others", I mean anyone interested in any general conservation or leisure area.

On the role of farmers and farming practices, bhí ról fíor-thábhachtach ag an bhfeirmeoireacht i múnlú na tuaithe agus na bithéagsúlachta atá againn in Éirinn inniu. Tá béim leagtha agam go minic — sa Teach seo agus in áiteanna eile — ar an ról criticiúil a bhí ag feirmeoirí i gcruthú agus i gcothabháil na gceantar nádúrtha speisialta atá á bplé againn anseo inniu agus ar an ngá, dá réir, go leanfar leis an bhfeirrneoireacht ar bhealach inmharthana. Measaim gur fiú a rá arís gurbh iad na feirmeoirí féin i mórán cásanna a chruthaigh, tríd a gcuid nósanna feirmeoireachta traidisiúnta féin, na gnáthóga sin agus a gcabhraíonn fós le hardluach caomhantais a choimeád sna ceantair atá i gceist. Ar ndóigh, bheinn faillíoch mura ndé- arfainn freisin gur de bharr nósanna áirithe feirmeoireachta nua-aimseartha a tharla meath i líon suntasach de na ceantair sin. Ní gá dom ach tagairt a dhéanamh don droch-éifeacht a tháinig as barraíocht caorach a bheith curtha ar thailte áirithe in iarthar na tíre chun an pointe sin a fhírinniú.

However, from an ecological perspective, if we are to maintain the high environmental value, it is essential that the sustainable farming practices which maintain the important and irreplaceable habitats continue. Taking land out of agricultural production, or forcing farmers off the land, as I have been accused of, is not a viable option from a nature conservation perspective. To say nature conservation wants to or must drive farmers off the land is arrant nonsense. Both objectives can be achieved. The opposite of the assertion of driving anybody off the land is true. Support for the continuation of sustainable farming is needed for effective conservation, as well as for social, economic and practical reasons. It is not and should not be an either/or situation, either we have agriculture or we have nature conservation.

I want to firmly nail some of the wilder statements made in recent months and set out the actual position. There is no change affecting the ownership of land; the regulations do not give compulsory purchase powers to my Department, nor was this ever contemplated; there is no question of increased public access to lands designated or proposed for designation. There is provision for NPWS staff to monitor activity in a SAC, but they will always try to contact the landowner first. There is no question of a prohibition on farming in areas designated as SACs. Such designation will not interfere with sustainable farming. Only activities which are damaging will be restricted or required to be changed.

Every Member of this House recognises the benefits, and the necessity, of having an agriculture industry which respects and maintains a high quality environment. The benefits to agriculture in general, to farmers, to the credibility attaching to our food production and to the perception of the country as having a good, clean and green environment are widespread. It further benefits this generation as well as acknowledging our national heritage of which we are mere custodians and trustees.

The third positive outcome from the regulations I referred to at the outset is that they channel very important income to many small farmers and landowners particularly in areas with marginal agricultural production. This compensation package has been negotiated and agreed between myself and my colleague, the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry and the farming organisations. I recall being castigated by the Opposition on this issue even though there was a clear Government commitment in Partnership 2000 that a fair and proper level of compensation would be paid, having regard to the level and extent of restriction and all reasonable losses arising as a result of SAC or SPA designations and to the difference between the value pre-designation for environmental purposes and subsequent value of the land consequent on SPA or SAC designation.

Is léir ón toradh comhaontaithe atá faighte againn gur sheasamar go daingean leis an ngeallúint sin agus gur thug an Rialtas lán-tacaíocht dó. Ba mhaith liom an comhaontú a baineadh amach a chur ar thaifead an Tí seo.

There are two options open to landowners or users whose land is designated. Option 1 is the scheme administered by my Department. This package is available to those who decide not to participate in the rural environment protection scheme administered by the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry. Under this scheme farmers will be required to farm their SAC land in accordance with an agri-environmental plan prepared by my Department in consultation with the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry. The farming conditions that will apply in the Burren, blanket bogs, heaths and upland grasslands in SACs have already been agreed by my Department and the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry as well as by Teagasc, private farm planners, farming organisations and relevant non-governmental organisations, and are in place. These habitats account for over two thirds of the land area to be included in SACs. The same conditions that currently apply under REPS for NHAs will apply to SACs, and I thank those who co-operated in achieving this harmonious development.

Farmers will be compensated for income loss, including headage or premia or its alternative. They will also be compensated for any additional costs or losses which arise as a result of complying with the farm plan. All such costs, including capital costs, will be identified, quantified and agreed between my Department and the farmer concerned. In exceptional cases, including hardship, ex gratia payments may be made. Where agreement is not reached on the amount payable, independent arbitration will be available to determine the compensation.

The second option available to land owners or users is through the rural environment protection scheme, administered by the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry. Deputies will be aware that under this scheme there is a basic payment of approximately £50 per acre for the first 100 acres. In the case of lands within proposed NHAs there is a further top-up payment of about £12 per acre. Now with SACs, there is provision for another top-up of some £15 per acre for the first 100 acres. For the next 100 acres, a further £7.50 per SAC acre will paid. Finally, an additional £5 per SAC acre will be payable in the 200-300 acre range. Funding for these additional payments, which are subject to EU approval, will be channelled through my Department.

All of this compensation represents a large injection of income into agriculture and particularly into the west. The annual value of the package is approximately £20 million. Equally, and perhaps more importantly in the longer term, the financial support that this package puts in place sets a precedent by recognising and acknowledging the importance of good farming practice in delivering wider benefits to the community, in particular through the protection and maintenance of our most important wildlife sites. In the longer term, such recognition and financial support for the wider environmental benefits that sustainable farming delivers will, I am sure, be increasingly important for agriculture and farmers.

Over the past several months I have been criticised, often in a vitriolic and offensive fashion, by members of the Opposition in relation to the manner in which I have proceeded to put the regulations we are discussing here today in place. In this House in November last Deputy de Valera castigated me as "some sort of new Cromwell trying to take over land without consultation or compensation". This cheap jibe is indicative of the misinformation which has abounded. I set the record straight in this House in November last in relation to the extent of consultation which had taken place. Let me just give the House a brief update on what has taken place in recent months. Since January there have been some 15 meetings with farming and other conservation representatives, the outcome of which is reflected in the agreement reached within the past fortnight. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge that these farming representatives, as well as negotiating tenaciously, as one might expect, on behalf of their members, also recognised from the outset the necessity and, indeed, virtue of the regulations. In the course of these negotiations, I deferred signing the regulations on three separate occasions to allow for an agreed outcome leading to a signing which was attended by both farming and conservation interests.

Members of my Department have attended and addressed several public meetings, the most recent at Belmullet, Crossmolina, Killarney and, last night, at Maam Cross, and I understand there is a further one today in Glencar in County Kerry and one tomorrow in Westport.

Even this does not spell out the full extent of communication with farming and other conservation interests. A programme of information is being put in place which will encompass local radio, newspapers, information material, local meetings and an information freephone operated by my Department. All of this is being put in place to ensure that individual farmers and landowners are fully informed of exactly what proposed designation may mean for them.

Lest it be construed that all contact, consultation and communication has been with farming representatives alone, I would like to emphasise once again that the benefits of the habitats directive and the regulations I have signed accrue to all. Accordingly, I have been at pains to involve the various conservation groups in consultation.

These groups, together with farming interests, will play an active part in the ongoing implementation of the regulations, and both will be represented on the group I will be putting in place which will advise me on objections to proposed designations. They will also be consulted on the ongoing implementation of the regulations.

All the steps I have taken to date reflect my strong wish to have consensus across the entire community on the importance of the issues and the necessity to take action that recognises the critical role played by a range of parties. It should also be clear to Deputies from all sides of the House that the extent of consultation with all parties has been unprecedented, and I am committed to continuing this communication. To suggest that consultation only took place because of political pressure from members of the Opposition is quite clearly nonsensical and is not borne out by the facts. I have always believed in openness and communication. On no less than three occasions I deferred signing the regulations to allow negotiations to continue on the assurance that progress was being made in the negotiations and not wishing to put anything which might be perceived to be an obstacle in the way of an outcome which would be beneficial to all. The logic of this should be obvious. If there was an absence of agreement considerable difficulty would be encountered in meeting the objectives we have all espoused. Partnership between all parties is not just important but imperative.

Mar focail scoir, cuirfimid críoch leis an méid atá le rá ann, I again draw attention to the historic work we have put in place. We have recognised as a nation the critical importance of taking immediate steps to protect and conserve what remains of the most important elements of our natural heritage. We have approached this task in the knowledge that it can only be accomplished by the co-operation and active participation of all parties. We have a responsibility to the generations from which we have inherited our unique natural heritage to pass this on to future generations so that they too can enjoy the benefits that all of us are currently fortunate enough to possess.

Molaim an rún don Teach.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Killeen.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Eireann" and substitute the following:

"notes the publication of the Regulations for the designation of Special Areas of Conservation, condemns the failure of the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht to engage in full consultation, further condemns the Minister for his failure to provide full information, notes with concern the continuing disquiet of landowners, who are key partners in the conservation process, and calls on the Minister to ensure that a genuine partnership between conservationists and landowners exists".

I put forward this amendment because of the continuing disquiet about the manner in which the designation of special areas of conservation has been handled by the Minister. There is no doubt about the importance of conservation and the need for action. We object to the Minister's failure to provide full information and take account of the continuing disquiet of landowners who are key players in the conservation business. They have been in that business for hundreds of years and remain at the front line. There is an onus on the Minister to ensure conservation and to ensure that the partnership between conservationists and landowners is real, which does not appear to be the case. At a meeting this week in County Galway major disquiet was expressed by landowners about the continuing lack of information, consultation and partnership. Farmers continue to liken the Minister, Deputy Higgins, to Cromwell and make the point that at least that gentleman came in daylight. They accuse the Minister of trying to nationalise their land by stealth, by coming in the night and in secret. They accuse him of pushing the matter through without due consultation. Certainly in his dealings with them, there was no sign of the "people first" principle. All the Labour Party talk about bottom-up approaches was abandoned, and dictats from the top applied. That mentality still applies and landowners believe the agriculture establishment has been sucked into the mire via the negotiations on national agreements.

Farmers go so far as to say the editorial line of their bible, The Farmers Journal, has not been sufficiently questioning about the SACs deal and whether it represents a good arrangement for the long-term. They point out that further questions need to be asked by the media about what happens when REPS ends after five years. Will farmers be stopped selling their land for forestry and stopped reseeding? Will scientific appeals, the only ones provided for, be very limited and unsatisfactory? Will farmers have to get permission for every turn they make on their own farms? They fear they will become cheque-in-the-post landowners. People do not want that. They want to have active involvement on their land.

There have been questions about what will happen if the EU disagrees with the changes in REPS and the overall plan. What happens if in the current round of financial cuts the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht loses ground? This SACs deal will require additional staff in the Department for implementation and monitoring. Yet, the Minister already claims he has not enough staff to even get a plan together for Ireland's millennium celebrations. So what about this project? How will he cope with this?

The disquiet of landowners stems from the manner in which the Minister went about his business in the first instance. He refused to consult on designations. I thought this was best summed up by Dr. Peter Foss, Chairman of the Irish Peatland Conservation Council, when he was quoted in The Irish Times several weeks ago. He said shortly before Christmas, draft regulations to implement the Habitats Directive were shown to conservation groups at a meeting in the Minister's Department and said: “It was the first time any of us had seen them, but we were told that they couldn't be changed.” Farming groups met the same rigidity and absolutism from the Minister and his Department. They were delivered with a “take it or leave it” ultimatum. It was interesting to read in the February edition of Irish Farmers Monthly that the IFA's Michael Slattery said at that stage they were still encountering difficulties getting the Department of Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht to spell out what was involved. All the farming organisations continued to warn just weeks ago that farmers were confused with the concepts and not enough was being done.

The Minister's attempt to railroad these matters through led to a debate in this House. That debate had to be in Private Members' time because the Minister refused to give Government time. He would not accept any input from the Oireachtas and displayed arrogance and anti-democratic tendencies. The Private Members' debate at least forced the Minister to be a little more open but he continued to display an intolerance of criticism in regard to SACs. He also refused to allow any examination by the Oireachtas of his activities in the matter. His constant mantra has been that once they are signed into law, then and only then could elected Members of this House comment.

The same has applied to those to be affected by these proposals. Landowners whose land is being designated have not been told. The Minister insisted that all consultation with individual landowners would only be after the event. Even though between 10,000 and 15,000 farmers will be affected by the land designations, most of them remain in the dark. Some of them may be under the illusion that maps for the SACs and the NHAs will be the same, but that is not necessarily the case. Any complacency of farmers may be rudely shattered when the Minister eventually concedes to consult individually with them.

I am glad the Minister acknowledged last month that his plans were in a shambles and he deferred signing the SACs into law at that time. Fianna Fáil had warned him for weeks it would be foolishness to proceed with signing the regulations while there was no deal with landowners.

I am glad the Deputy was alert.

We warned that riding roughshod over landowners would not produce happy conservationists. The signing of the order on special areas of conservation will affect about one million acres of land or one-twelfth of the country. The estimates of the number of farmers to be affected varies greatly. Even though these areas have been signed into law, however, the Minister's Department has conceded that it still knows only about 6,000 of the 15,000-plus farmers who will be affected. The National Parks and Wildlife Service has only 6,000 addresses and concedes it does not even know exactly how many others will be involved, and their addresses are a complete mystery.

Even though the Department knew 6,000 addresses before the directive was signed, none of these was notified or sent maps of the areas affected. No attempt was made to find the farmers through advertising or information campaigns. The deal done with the farmers' organisation does not go down well with everyone as was evident at a meeting this week in County Galway. I pay tribute to the IFA which, through its strong negotiating prowess, has been able to get concessions from the Department of Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht for its members. I commend it on doing so. That organisation will acknowledge that raising questions in this House before Christmas afforded an opportunity for consultations to take place. In answer to questions I put down at that time, we were told signing would not take place for a couple of weeks. As a result of questions raised by this side of the House, followed by a debate in Private Members' time, there has been a flurry of consultations, particularly in recent months, and I welcome them even though they have been held at a late date.

That is not true.

It is very important to remember that although great work has been done, particularly by the IFA——

The Deputy is economic with the truth.

——there are individual farmers who are not members of any farming organisation and they will want to know where they stand. Many of those farmers are extremely concerned because they do not know if they will have a say in the matter or a right of appeal. Apparently, appeals will be allowed only on a scientific basis.

Farmers are also concerned that a lobby has not been launched at EU level. The Minister has to negotiate with Brussels. It is important that he gets an early decision on the SAC package and direct approval from Brussels on the REPs approvals. He has not outlined the Government's view on the proposals to use the SACs as a way of developing heritage tourism. Will the Government run with this? Will farmers not in the REPs benefit from allowing tourists on their lands? As we are one of the best conservation sites in the EU, the plan for SACs should be a platform for an initiative between the EU and the Departments of Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht and Tourism and Trade.

Fianna Fáil recognises that effective conservation of habitats and species is crucial to farming interests and that there have been problems in this area. However, it should be noted that we are better than other EU countries at maintaining habitats and species, and we can thank farmers for that. The role of farmers in conservation has not been recognised in some quarters, particularly in the media. The environment correspondent with The Irish Times has painted farmers as being happy to be cheque-in-the-post merchants and has shown a distinct intolerance of their concerns. In an article last January he stated “Farmers see NHAs and other nature protection measure as an interference with their rights to do what they like with their land”. That was a rather patronising and simplistic comment. The remainder of the article presented farmers in a similar light and argued that conservationists have a superior right in this affair. That approach is out of sync in a newspaper that prides itself on encouraging plurality and tolerance in Irish society, North and South.

I have yet to meet a journalist who would not take a stand when his or her terms and conditions of employment are being changed, and that is commendable. I am sure the environment correspondent with The Irish Times would be exceedingly vocal and defensive if a major change was planned in his area of operation. Why should farmers not protect their rights? Why should they not negotiate the best possible deal? Surely they do not have to apologise to The Irish Times or to anybody else for their existence.

One of the interesting aspects in this debate has been how the Minister has used the EU as a big brother or sister. He claims if we do not do this now, the EU will slap a case on us. Why did the Minister not begin this process during the last four years? Why did he wait until the dying hours of this Government? Is it necessary to beef up his list of achievements before the election? Having a flurry at the last minute does not excuse inactivity for four years.

There is also an irony in this issue. While the Minister is doing one thing, his Government colleague, the Minister for Agriculture Food and Forestry, is doing another. The Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry is in trouble with the EU for not monitoring environmental damage. Both arms of the Government must move in tandem on these matters. When the Minister is concluding, I do not want him to engage in the despicable cop-out of claiming this side of the House did or did not do this, that or the other when in Government.

The list would be too long to quote.

The Minister is in the hot seat and should face up to his responsibilities, rather than make excuses or live in the past.

In its recent policy document, Caring for Our Heritage, Fianna Fáil set out its views on conservation matters. We believe SACs provide an opportunity to make farmers an even greater instrument in conservation. We believe the deal must be used to provide farmers with a future and to ensure that vast tracts of the country do not become a series of deserted villages and homes. A new future has to be developed and this an opportunity to do it.

We are all aware of the green image of Ireland presented in mythology, song and story and of the green image we want to portray to visitors. Despite the move to the cities and towns, we are a people with clear links to the land and the landscape. We are a people devoted to place and we love our natural environment. In recent decades, however, our natural environment has been under threat and, as development proceeds, we must implement co-ordinated policies to protect it. The cornerstone of any development policy must be sustainable development so that the environment within which it takes place and the resources required for it and for society are not put at risk.

The Earth Summit in Rio de Janerio, the Dublin UN conference on water and the environment and other international conferences and studies have pointed to the fragility of the planet's natural environment. We must play a significant role in caring for the international and global environment and cherish and protect our own natural environment.

I agree with the Minister that a balance is needed in the area of conservation. I listened with interest to what he said about the importance of our blanket and raised bogs and our turloughs. Clare people — the Minister was born in Clare — have a heightened awareness of their great historical wealth in terms of heritage. It is unfortunate that farmers are often juxtaposed with conservationists in such debates. That is a wrong approach. I hope that will fade into the background when people realise our farmers are the front line conservationists. We can protect our wealth of heritage only when we have achieved a balance between landowners and conservationists.

I tabled two questions to the Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht which were disallowed because of this debate. How does the Minister intend to transpose the directive into Irish law? Will it be done through legislation or regulation?

A group of people from the golfing fraternity are concerned that their needs are not being met under this directive. They want to outline that there is no anti-environmental feeling among golfers and current tensions raised on the interpretation of the environment and possible application of the law following the implementation of this directive are causing them concern. They claim the EU Council Directive 92/43/EEC (Wildlife) specifically states that economic, social, cultural and regional requirements may be taken into account when it is being enforced, but the Minister's officials state that only scientific arguments will be allowed. Will the Minister clarify that matter?

It depends on the directive to which they refer.

They are concerned about a direct conflict and they submit that, as the law comes into force, the following points should be considered. There are only 150 golf links in the world of which Ireland has 39. These golf links form a vital part of our heritage, culture, social fabric and tourism based economy. They also contend that because of the issues involved and the fact that Ireland is one of the cleanest and most sound environmental land masses in the world, it should not be compelled to designate golf lands under the new law, which may have a greater urgency in overdeveloped continental settings. Perhaps the Minister will clarify this issue.

Those involved in wildlife associations want to know when the NHAs will come into force. NHAs have been proposed but their implementation will depend on the introduction of the Wildlife (Amendment) Bill. When will this legislation be introduced? Those interested in bird life have put forward a number of views. They claim there is a need to strengthen the powers of wildlife rangers and carry out a number of surveys of certain bird populations because current surveys are not sufficient. There is also a need for greater monitoring, but we need more funding to do that.

Including the effect of golf balls on them.

These issues should be taken seriously. The Minister's approach to this debate, particularly that comment, seems offhand.

Both sides are important.

We are looking for balance.

The Deputy could get rid of farmers with golf balls and golfers in her area.

Talking about golf balls in such a frivolous manner does not improve the debate but shows that the Minister is not concerned about the major issues which are causing anxiety for many people.

One cannot be all things to all people.

Just because the Minister does not agree with some of these views does not mean that people do not have a right to express them or have them assessed.

I share the views of those who say we need a survey of certain bird populations. This is an important issue which the Minister should not scoff at and I hope further funding will be put in place to ensure the monitoring of these surveys. The general health of the environment can be assessed by the reaction of the bird population to it. I am sure the Minister agrees that some bird populations are under threat and that this needs to be examined.

I am a member of the IWC.

The IWC asked me to raise this issue and I am happy to do so.

I am sympathetic to its concerns.

Is the Deputy a member of the IWC?

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

There is too much interruption.

I hope the Minister and the Minister of State will look at these issues more seriously than their frivolous attitude suggests.

I am not being frivolous.

Gabhaim buíochas le mo chomhtheachta, an Teachta Síle de Valera, as ucht an deis a thabhairt dom pairt a ghacadh sa díospóireacht ar an ábhar tábhachtach seo. Cuidím leis an leasú ar an rún a mhol sí.

Deputy de Valera asked if it would be more appropriate to deal with this matter through legislation rather than by way of a directive. The manner in which the debate has been conducted is unsatisfactory in that it does not allow us to tease out the complex issues.

There is a lack of openness and transparency in the way this issue has been addressed. I am not sure if the Minister wanted to hoodwink people or if officials in his Department were not sure what they wanted to achieve. Perhaps it was complicated by the fact that negotiations were under way as this issue was being advanced. One factor which militated strongly against openness and transparency was that the Minister said maps of the areas concerned would not be made available until after the directive was signed for legal reasons. However, it made people more suspicious than they might have been had they known what areas were included.

There is a great concern that areas which have been intensively farmed up to now may be included in the SACs. Farmers are afraid that their role may be seriously undermined as a result of these regulations. We must consider the implications for planning authorities in the future. In response to recent parliamentary questions, the Minister indicated that workshops had been held to discuss this issue. However, like the meetings with farmers, little clear information was available to planners. It seems that no one knows what is being decided and it is being made up as we go along. We must also consider the operation of SACs and environmental schemes in Europe. In some countries a large percentage of the land is designated under one or other of the categories. In France it is 16 per cent but in other countries it could be as little as 0.4 of 1 per cent. This suggests there is no uniform approach across the EU. Some European countries have decided to designate large areas and imposed a lax regime, while others have chosen smaller areas and imposed a draconian regime. When this issue was discussed with the farmers and bodies concerned there was no mention of striking a balance. That led to dissatisfaction, particularly in the agricultural community.

The Burren is of great importance in environmental terms. Unfortunately, however, it has been the subject of much controversy. Sometimes controversy throws light on an issue but, in the case of the Burren, it had the opposite effect in that it polarised people and made the job of conservation more difficult.

I support conservation where there is a clear case for doing so, such as in substantial areas of the Burren. However, I take issue with the manner in which the Minister and all those involved sought to achieve it.

I have a fundamental difficulty with the appeals procedure which is being put in place, mainly on the basis — as the Minister explained — that it is only on scientific grounds. It is one of the areas about which there does not seem to be any confusion. However, there are cases when a particular kind of economic development, which is almost always agricultural in nature and which has taken place traditionally, will be undermined by the imposition of the SAC. Considerations other than those which relate to scientific grounds could come into play in a tiny number of cases.

I am also worried about the role of the arbitrator in the question of compensation. I am disappointed that there is still much disaffection and confusion despite all the meetings and attempts to clarify issues.

This is one EU directive which I am happy to see finally transposed into Irish law and I fully support the motion. Nevertheless, I have a number of reservations about the manner in which the matter is being approached, certain fears about how we are to proceed from here and a number of questions to put to the Minister.

The principle, to protect areas of particular scientific and other interest in Irish law as much as possible, is a good one. It is high time that we transposed this directive into Irish law as it should have been implemented in 1994.

The places in question which we are now seeking to identify as areas for conservation are of unique importance to the future of this country, to our citizens who wish to see such a fundamental part of their heritage protected and conserved, and to our self-respect as Irish people and proud Europeans. A great deal which ought to have been conserved and preserved has been irretrievably lost. That is a sad commentary on our sense of values but it is a fact which cannot now be overturned.

Where do we go from here? How do we best put and keep in place a very complex kind of arrangement? There is nothing simple about the proposal to put in place a partnership between farmers, who have a traditional approach and deep attachment to the land, the ownership of which was hard fought for and won in many cases, and the rights of the community who want certain elements conserved. It is important that the Minister would, at the outset, seek to put and keep in place an inclusive partnership where farmers and conservationists sing from the same hymn sheet, move in the same direction and be at one on what needs to be done and how it is to be done. That task is difficult enough.

I am a little disappointed as my understanding was that greater progress had been made in recent times by the Minister in his discussions with farmers.

There has been progress.

The Minister will reply to this debate later and answer my concerns.

I hope that is the case because the farmers are and have been the best custodians of our natural inheritance. They will continue to be and it is critically important that we give them that role and seek to have them totally committed at the outset to the principles of conservation and preservation which are enshrined in this motion.

I said I had reservations as to how the matter was being progressed and I will come to that later. I am unclear as to whether the boundaries of the area earmarked for conservation have been finally and fully agreed. I take on board what the Minister said in his speech but is it his intention to place copies of maps and boundaries in the Library to enable Deputies to have access to them?

They are there already.

That is important. What happens when the REP scheme runs out as it will inevitably? Is that eventuality anticipated at this point and will clear provision be made now for it?

Has the Minister set a start-up date for the application of the regulations under this provision? Will there be a uniform start-up date for the whole country? At what point will he be in a position to announce that the procedure has come into effect?

I mentioned the appeals mechanism at Question Time and when we debated this matter earlier. I am glad the Minister has provided for an independent appeals mechanism. That is the correct thing to do because this is a conservation measure. Compensation is only a vehicle to make conservation possible but conservation is the primary issue. In the event that a designated site was damaged by the extraction of peat for commercial reasons, for example, can a conservation body appeal against such an action? If so, will it get a hearing? If a renegade farmer decided to act in such a way, will there be provision to penalise that person by reducing his or her compensation? It is important that the independent appeals mechanism should work to the benefit of the conservationist as well as the farmer because there must not be an incentive to damage any protected habitat.

With regard to NHAs and SACs, is it the intention of the Government to extend the scope of the regulations to all Natura 2000 sites so that any developments which are likely to impact on such sites are subject to environmental impact assessments? As a conservationist, I argue that all Natura 2000 sites must be brought under the scope of the planning Acts to give legislators scope to manage these matters properly in law and strike a fair balance between the indisputable and constitutional rights of farmers and conservationists for generations to come.

On the issue of golf links, people who own or run them are concerned to ensure the provisions of the directive when transposed into Irish law will not extend to golf links. We have 39 of the world's 150 golf links. They are a major national asset we should seek to maintain and we should ensure they will not be needlessly interfered with under the banner of conservation measures. Golf links like Ballybunion and Dooks in County Kerry, Lahinch in County Clare and Portmarnock are some of the finest in the world. The sand dunes and other natural features of importance to conservationists on those golf links are intact because golf clubs kept them so. They have been incredibly good custodians of important elements of our natural landscape. Golf links should not be interfered with. There is no need to interfere with them. They are well preserved and will continue to be if their owners, developers and clubs are allowed to continue their business unimpeded. It would be an outrage if a civil servant or other agent of the State at any level sought to impose regulations on golf links in Ballybunion, Dooks or Lahinch which have been areas of conservation for generations. Will the Minister confirm that golf links will be excluded from the provisions of this directive?

We have had meetings with those concerned. I have noted the Deputy's request.

Thank you, Minister. It is important when discussing designation of specific areas of conservation that a matter brought to my attention by my party colleague, Senator Cathy Honan, should be raised. She is concerned about a problem that has arisen in regard to Croghan Hill in County Offaly, an area of historic and great religious significance in folk memory. That area has been designated as one of special control and is a protected area in Offaly's county development plan. The Minister may say this matter is not related directly to this motion, but I bring it to his attention because I know such matters concern him. In the meantime ESAT has erected a Portakabin-like construction containing equipment on the site claiming that it has done so because it is an exempted development. Offaly County Council was forced to go to court to obtain a temporary injunction against ESAT and it has also had to refer the matter to An Bord Pleanála. I am concerned that what happened on that site could happen in another part of the country. This is unacceptable in terms of what we are trying to do in regard to our heritage and what we are talking about here. The protection of areas of archaeological, geological and historical interest is vital. Steps must be taken to ensure their protection and appropriate measures must be put in place as a matter of urgency. I consider that more important than doing anything in connection with golf links that are adequately protected already.

I draw the Minister's attention to the necessity to amend the Wildlife Bill sooner rather than later. One newspaper carries the heading, hedgerows butchered in policy farce. That is happening in Counties Cork and Kerry and throughout other parts of the country. There seems to be a lack of clarification between local authorities and farmers as to who is responsible for cutting and keeping hedgerows under control for road safety purposes. In a number of areas local authorities have issued instructions to have hedges cut with road safety in mind but the hedgerows have been butchered around some of the most scenic parts of our country. The visual impact is appalling. People have told me, but because of work commitments I have not seen, of the devastation of beautiful fuchsia hedgerows which have been cut down on part of the Ring of Kerry.

As well as the visual impact, cutting hedgerows results in the loss of bird habitats. This issue must be addressed and it is mainly the responsibility of the Minister's colleague, the Minister for the Environment. I draw this matter to the Minister's attention because this debate is about conservation in all its elements and applications. Our hedgerows are important, but perhaps not as important as some of the elements sought to be protected under this directive because hedgerows will grow, commonsense will prevail and a better procedure will be put in place in regard to the manner in which local authorities and farmers address this matter. If a number of the elements we are seeking to protect in the context of this motion are lost, they will be irretrievably lost. This is an important motion. I hope the Minister will provide clarification on the reservations I expressed and answer the questions I asked to ensure we will put in place the principles of the directives sooner rather than later and give the areas in question the type of protection they need in law.

I am delighted to welcome this legislation. Conservation and the preservation of wildlife is a hobby-horse of mine. I am glad the Government and the Minister responsible for this area are taking positive steps to safeguard habitats, the basis of all wildlife. It is a shocking indictment that for many years we neglected protecting many species, some of which are now extinct and many of which are under threat of extinction. I hope this legislation goes some way towards addressing that problem.

I have reservations about the implementation of the directive until there are sufficient personnel to implement the measures proposed by the Minister. I live in County Waterford which has two major mountain ranges and a good deal of hill land, but there is only one wildlife ranger to monitor and protect the wildlife in that county. Dozens of people should be assigned to that work. Many people are interested in taking up employment related to safeguarding our wildlife and protecting our habitats.

Debate adjourned.
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