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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 30 Apr 1997

Vol. 478 No. 5

Priority Questions. - Refugees in Zaire.

Desmond J. O'Malley

Question:

7 Mr. O'Malley asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs if his attention has been drawn to the serious plight of hundreds of thousands of refugees in eastern Zaire who are now starving and who have no protection whatsoever; and his views on whether it is appropriate that Ireland should continue to assist the present regime in Rwanda which is clearly in league with the Kabila rebels in Zaire who have been described by an EU official as engaging in genocide.[11673/97]

The plight of refugees and displaced persons in eastern Zaire is a matter of grave concern. Reports in recent days of attacks and killings in the Kisangani region and elsewhere are particularly worrying. I am extremely concerned also that it is proving difficult to provide food aid and other emergency assistance to those at risk in eastern Zaire. The Government unequivocally condemns any murders or other human rights abuses which may be taking place and deplores the disregard for the suffering of non-combatants shown by the parties to the conflict in Zaire.

We have expressed these concerns to the governments in the region who may have influence on the rebel alliance. Since last weekend the EU Troika and Special Envoy Ajello have made demarches to the Governments of Rwanda and Uganda to express the Union's concerns about the humanitarian situation. Mr Ajello has had meetings with President Museveni of Uganda and Mr Kabila. We have been in touch also with the US State Department about these concerns in advance of Ambassador Richardson's visit to the region.

The full facts of the situation in the Kisangani area remain unclear. They must be investigated fully and those found responsible for any atrocities brought to justice. An initial investigation has been carried out by a tripartite commission led by the UNHCR, which visited refugee camps in the area on Thursday last, 24 April. This identified the following priorities for further action to relocate refugees, to resume assistance when access is possible and to continue with the repatriation of refugees.

A team of UN human rights monitors is being deployed in the Kisangani region in the coming days. Ireland has agreed to provide IR£25,000 in support of this mission, aimed at preventing further human rights abuses. I should mention that the Irish NGO, Concern, which has been working continuously in the Great Lakes region for the past three years, has been authorised to begin operations in the Kisangani area. Concern will provide care for unaccompanied children.

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees, Mrs Ogata, said on Monday night that the fears which had been expressed at the end of last week that mass killings had taken place in several camps cannot be substantiated. Nonetheless, a large number of refugees, perhaps as many as 100,000 in the area south of Kisangani, remain in a precarious condition. Many of those in the bush are in danger of death from starvation or sickness unless humanitarian aid can reach them.

Following meetings with the leader of the rebel coalition, Mr Kabila, the UNHCR succeeded in obtaining his commitment to co-operate in the repatriation of remaining Rwandan refugees from eastern Zaire. The EU Troika and the Special Envoy to the Great Lakes region, Mr Ajello, participated in the meeting with Mr Kabila. At a news conference following this meeting, Mr Kabila said that he attached two conditions to the agreed repatriation — first, that it be conducted by air and second that it be completed within 60 days from 1 May.

We welcome the important opportunity to resolve the refugee crisis offered by this agreement.Full advantage must be taken of this opportunity.Nevertheless, the time frame for the repatriation presents enormous logistical difficulties.Flexibility must be shown by the rebel side regarding their 60-day deadline. Mrs Ogata has stressed the importance of continued international pressure in this regard. The Irish Government has added its voice to that of European partners and others to ensure a successful outcome. Further pressure must be exerted also to ensure access to humanitarian aid.

I have just returned from this week's EU General Affairs Council in Luxembourg which discussed the current situation in Zaire. In our conclusions on the Great Lakes region, the Council has called inter alia for the fulfilment of undertakings given by Mr. Kabila in relation to immediate access for the humanitarian agencies in Zaire as well as for an immediate cessation of hostilities and a peaceful and negotiated settlement. We have also expressed our deep concern at continuing reports of massive human rights violations and urged the UN to investigate them as quickly as possible.

As well as addressing immediate humanitarian concerns, initiatives by the EU and others have underscored the need for an early and negotiated settlement to the current conflict in Zaire. The five-point peace plan of Joint UN-OAU Special Representative Sahnoun, adopted by the Security Council in Resolution 1097, continues to provide the optimum framework for such a settlement. Both President Mobutu and Mr Kabila have accepted this plan. They agreed in Pretoria earlier this month on points of convergence which include a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement. The Government and our EU partners have been fully engaged in the intense international efforts to resolve the current crisis in eastern Zaire. We strongly support the Sahnoun plan and urge the conflicting parties to adhere to their public positions by bringing about an immediate cessation of hostilities and negotiations. We urge the parties to reinvigorate the progress which had been made towards talks, whether under President Mandela's initiative or an alternative framework. In this regard we welcome the current US mission to the Great Lakes region being led by Ambassador Richardson.

Irish aid to the Great Lakes has been as part of the concerted international effort to bring about peace, stability and reconciliation in the region. Our effort has been ongoing for three years. Since 1994, Irish aid has given almost IR£12.5 million in emergency and rehabilitation aid to the region. Deputies will be aware of the Governments balanced approach in providing this aid from reports to Dáil Éireann as well as from the briefings which have been given to the Joint Committee for Foreign Affairs and the sub-Committee on Development Co-operation.

Deputy O'Malley has asked for my views on whether it is appropriate for Ireland to assist the Rwandan Government. It is important to be clear about the issues at stake here. Since the appalling genocide in 1994, when almost 1 million people were brutally killed, the Government has contributed to international efforts to rebuild civil society in Rwanda. This is a difficult and daunting task, to say the least. It has to be pursued in the aftermath of a murderous civil war, which has left a legacy of distrust, disorganisation and administrative chaos for the authorities in Rwanda to cope with. It is against this background that Irish and other international assistance is delivered. In our case, just over IR£2 million of our assistance has been channelled through Government of Rwanda programmes. This money has been specifically targeted to support primary health care, the training of magistrates, the resettlement of refugees and the rehabilitation of genocide survivors, together with support for women's groups. I am satisfied from checks that we have carried out that Irish assistance is being used correctly and effectively.

I am well aware that our assistance to Rwandan Government rehabilitation programmes has been criticised in some quarters. However, the Deputy will be aware that a number of important organisations which have been working on the ground in the region for the past three years, including Trócaire and Concern, have expressed their strong support for the Governments approach.

A further IR£4.8 million has been disbursed, again since 1994, through Irish NGOs operating in Rwanda and through international organisations.Apart from providing shelter to genocide survivors and returning refugees from Zaire and Tanzania, a particular area of activity has been the improvement of prison conditions. Ireland has provided support through the UN system for refugee resettlement and for human rights monitoring by the UN Centre for Human Rights. Assistance has been provided also to the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda.

In the Great Lakes region as a whole, 52 per cent of Irish emergency and rehabilitation aid for 1996 was given through NGOs. It is likely that a similar percentage of aid for the region will be disbursed through NGOs in 1997.

In tandem with the assistance given, the Government has remained in dialogue with the Rwandan authorities both bilaterally and as part of international efforts to encourage them in rebuilding the justice system and in respecting the human and political rights of all segments of society. Despite serious difficulties, significant progress has been made in passing legislation on genocide through Parliament and in starting the process of trials for those accused of perpetrating genocide in 1994. As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, unless those responsible for killings on all sides are brought to justice, there is little hope of breaking the cycle of murder and revenge with impunity which has characterised the region for decades.

It is important that such assistance be given to enable the situation in Rwanda to improve further so that, for example, the continuing influx of refugees does not act as a destabilising influence or give rise to human rights abuses. We can take heart from the fact that the massive return of around a million refugees to Rwanda before Christmas took place in a peaceful manner. The international community has a responsibility to work with all parties, including the Government of Rwanda, to build on the peaceful nature of this return and ensure that the returnees are fully integrated in Rwandan society.

If a long answer could solve a problem that would be solved.

With due respect I tried to give the Deputy as comprehensive an answer as the situation warrants on this very serious matter.

It does, but unfortunately it probably amounts to not being able to pursue the matter at any great length afterwards.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

The Chair has no function in Ministers' replies.

Is the Minister aware of the description of the situation in Rwanda, particularly in Kigali, by an Irish Loreto nun who returned within the past few days and who has been speaking about the awful atmosphere of fear in Rwanda among the Hutu people, particularly among those who were repatriated from Zaire some months ago and who are now very apprehensive for their lives? In view of the recent statements of Rwandan Ministers that they consider it legitimate to use donor aid to pursue a war against the Hutus, will he ensure that no further Irish public money is given to the Rwandan Government who have this attitude and instead that it is given directly to Irish and other NGOs in the area to enable them to give what relief they can to the unfortunate people? Is he aware of a report in today's issue of The Times quoting from a confidential report to the UN and an aid agency which was compiled yesterday, to the effect that in eastern Zaire the Rwandan Army is engaged with the Kabila rebels in killing large numbers of Hutu refugees, of whom it was estimated recently there are 400,000, but in respect of whom it is not now known how many are alive because many thousands have been killed in recent days and weeks?

We are aware of the remarks made by the Irish sister who spent a fortnight in the region and has returned. It is fair to acknowledge the work done by our President and the Minister of State in this region over many years in terms of ensuring Irish aid is delivered on the ground in the most effective way possible. When I went into the Department of Foreign Affairs in 1993 one of the first things I said to the officials was that particular care should be taken in regard to the spending of Irish public funds on development aid in projects in the Great Lakes region and in Africa generally. That is a responsibility we have and we must account for it. The Minister of State has been particularly active in the African region. We are doing everything possible to ensure our aid reaches the people we target in terms of rebuilding civil society, health projects, women's groups, resettlement of refugees, rehabilitation of genocide survivors. We take every step possible to ensure that happens. Of course we do not want to see any Irish development aid money being spent on arms. We take every precaution that is not done. We have received strong recommendations from Concern and Trócaire, agencies who have worked in this region and have vast experience, to continue and increase our efforts because of the role we have been playing in helping the Rwandans at home and as refugees in neighbouring countries. We would wish to continue that.

We had our discussion on Zaire yesterday at the General Affairs Council. The Deputy will appreciate, looking at the international press this morning, that the situation in Zaire is unpredictable.Ambassador Richardson is in the region seeking commitments from both Mr. Kabila and President Mobutu to ensure there is a peaceful hand over. The prospects are not great in relation to Mr. Kabila forming a Government that has widespread acceptance. It behoves us in the European Union, the US and the UN to do everything possible to put an end to the conflict and through the international conference which we have been seeking in the region with the neighbouring countries and the United Nations and other agencies, including the Organisation of African Unity, to bring about a peaceful resolution of this complicated problem.

Is the Minister aware that the UNHCR report of yesterday, as referred to in The Times today, states:

The existence of military operations against refugees was confirmed by military personnel during the mission. The commanding military officers in the area were reported to be either Banyamulenge or from the Rwandan Army. It has been alleged that orders to eliminate all refugees emanate from Rwanda and that the commanders described as highly trained and efficient are sent there to accomplish this task.

Will the Minister comment on that? Apparently they are accomplishing it very well because thousands, if not tens of thousands, of these unfortunate refugees have died in recent weeks. Some of the people concerned seem to regard this as the final solution of the Hutu problem. Is he aware that Rwandan officers when asked to justify why they were killing male babies said these people would grow up into fighters and it was better that they should now die? In view of these awful circumstances and the terrible suffering of these unfortunate people, will he take steps to intervene to bring this to an end, to give some military protection to people who are totally unprotected in eastern Zaire and to stop the Rwandan Government pursuing them to death as it is doing now?

I think the Deputy fully appreciates the complexities of the horrific situation on the ground which we have dealt with here on many occasions. The President and the Minister of State have visited the region in Ireland's interest. This matter is being handled at the highest levels in the United Nations by Ambassador Richardson, on behalf of the United States Government, who is in the region at present trying to bring about a peaceful hand over of authority in a situation where there are no guarantees in relation to the acceptability of Mr. Kabila's regime. We want to ensure that further killings are not inflicted on the refugees and we have worked tirelessly in relation to their repatriation. The priorities are to relocate the refugees, which is not as simple a matter as the Deputy may think for the agencies involved, resume assistance when access is possible and then continue their repatriation. We will do everything we can with the assistance and guidance of the UN.

The Deputy referred to military protection. We have discussed military intervention on a number of occasions in the House. The Canadians offered to do so but the situation changed rather dramatically and that was not considered necessary.Ireland is prepared, in the context of its EU obligations, to consider any options put forward. There are also huge risks because of the serious difficulties in locating refugees.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

A great deal of time has been expended on this question. Perhaps a brief supplementary question in deference to other Deputies.

The Minister's reply was very long and it is a complex matter. On a number of occasions he referred to the task of relocating the refugees. Where will they be relocated?

Six feet under.

If they are relocated within Zaire, they will be killed by the Kabila forces. If they are relocated back to Rwanda they will be killed by the Tutsi regime because those who have already relocated there are in fear of their lives and many of them have been killed. The description given by the Irish sister bears that out as does the UN report published yesterday. Is it better to protect these people rather than trying to relocate them yet again? Many of them have been wandering around the forests of eastern Zaire for seven months with young children and babies.

Deputy O'Malley talks about refugees in the wrong context. They must be located. Despite the best efforts of the UN and other agencies over many months, this has been very difficult. The Deputy must understand it can be assumed there are armed elements among the refugees possibly ex-Interhamwe, people who were involved in the 1994 genocide. They may well not wish to be found or repatriated to — more than likely — prison sentences in Rwanda. That makes it more complicated.

However, the children are not covered by that.

It does not excuse the murder of the children and the women.

I will not make apologies or excuses for anybody involved in genocide or murder.Ambassador Richardson acting with the authority of the US Government is in the region trying to bring about a negotiated settlement between Kabila and Mobutu. That is the best prospect of ending the strife.

There is no strife in eastern Zaire. That does not answer the question.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle

I now move on to Question No. 8. We have long since passed the time allocated for priority questions. Unlike the first three questions, Standing Orders provide that we can take the two remaining questions under the category of other questions.

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