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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 4 Mar 1998

Vol. 488 No. 2

Priority Questions. - Child Abuse.

Alan Shatter

Question:

13 Mr. Shatter asked the Minister for Health and Children the action, if any, the Government proposes to take to ensure that reports of alleged child abuse or neglect when made to a health board are speedily investigated and assessed; his views on whether the Eastern Health Board is overwhelmed by these reports and incapable of a speedy response and on whether as a consequence of the growing crisis in this area hundreds of children who are the alleged victims of physical or sexual abuse and neglect remain at risk.

Responsibility for monitoring and co-ordinating the management of child abuse cases rests with the health boards as part of their statutory responsibilities under the Child Care Act, 1991.

The procedures followed by health boards in investigating alleged cases of child abuse are in accordance with the child abuse guidelines issued by my Department in 1987 and the 1995 procedures for the notification of suspected cases of child abuse between health boards and the Garda. I recently established a working group to review existing guidelines and to prepare revised guidelines aimed at improving the identification, investigation and management of child abuse. The working group, which is representative of all the relevant interested parties, held its first meeting this week and is due to report to me within a year.

As the Deputy is aware, the number of reported cases of child abuse has increased steadily over the past eight years. For example, in 1987 the Eastern Health Board received 793 reports of child abuse whereas the figure for 1996 was more than 2,300. This has led to a system of prioritisation whereby the most urgent cases are handled first. The Eastern Health Board has assured me that all cases requiring an urgent response are dealt with without delay.

In other cases an initial assessment is undertaken and reports may also be required from other agencies, including child abuse assessment units or child psychiatric services, before a decision about the appropriate type of intervention can be made.

The Eastern Health Board is currently engaged in a number of strategic initiatives which will result in a standardised approach to assessment procedures, a definition of case priorities, estimating need and the determination of closure criteria.

I remind Deputies that Question No. 15 cannot be taken if it is not reached before 3.40 p.m.

Is the Minister aware of the number of cases concerning reports of alleged child abuse currently before the Eastern Health Board in respect of which no investigation or assessment has commenced?

I am not aware of the exact number as the numbers change from day to day and it is difficult for the Eastern Health Board to provide up to date figures. At present the board is completing work on the figures for 1997. I am assured all cases are dealt with as expeditiously as possible and that those which require urgent attention receive it.

If the Minister is not aware of the number of alleged abuse cases in respect of children — they are not just figures — in the Eastern Health Board area, is he aware of the number awaiting investigation as of 31 December 1997?

The figures for 1997 have not yet been fully compiled by the health board. However, I assure the Deputy that the number of cases awaiting investigation have fallen by comparison to last year's figures and those of the previous year. We are making significant progress in dealing more effectively with the number of cases. A report by Kieran McGrath, a prominent social worker and journalist, said in July 1997 that in the previous year there were up to 1,000 such cases. I assure the Deputy that the figure has decreased significantly since then as a result of extra resources and initiatives taken by the Government since coming into office.

How does the Minister know the number of cases awaiting investigation has fallen when he does not know the number of cases currently awaiting investigation or the number awaiting investigation on 31 December 1997?

I know this because of the continuous discussion and monitoring I undertake with the programme manager, social workers and chief executive officer of the health board. They have satisfied me that, while they do not have the statistics, they are continuously improving their ability to deal quickly and more effectively with cases and that the number of cases outstanding are continuously decreasing.

This is outrageous waffle.

The urgent cases of child sex abuse are dealt with immediately. All cases are assessed and those with less priority are brought into the examination system and are carefully monitored. While there is much pressure on the staff of the Eastern Health Board and while there are outstanding cases, I am quite satisfied that an effort above the norm is being made by the staff to get to grips with them.

Given the level of monitoring why is the Minister scandalously and blissfully ignorant of the number of outstanding reports of child physical and sexual abuse and neglect awaiting investigation by the eastern or other health boards? Can the Minister explain why the Taoiseach told the House three weeks ago that 1,000 cases are awaiting investigation? Did the Taoiseach invent this figure or was he furnished with it by the Minister? Will the Minister indicate how the health board prioritises cases of alleged child abuse or neglect given that no assessment or visit is made to the child or the family at the time of prioritisation? Does the Minister acknowledge that there are hundreds of children at risk in the Eastern Health Board area due to the staff of the board being overwhelmed, and that these children will remain at risk while the Minister waffles in response to questions?

The Taoiseach said that in 1996, 2,386 cases of abuse—

The Taoiseach said he was referring to current figures.

The Taoiseach did not say that. He quoted the 1996 figures which show there were 2,386 cases of which 833 were confirmed.

The world stopped in 1996 according to the Minister's Department.

The professional staff of the Eastern Health Board assess cases of abuse as they arise using the very good system in operation. A visit is immediately undertaken if necessary. I am assured the serious cases which warrant immediate investigation, intervention and treatment are dealt with speedily and effectively. Other cases of less importance are immediately assessed and may be referred to other agencies for additional—

How are they assessed? How can they be assessed without visits to the child and the family?

Assessment is carried out by professional social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, doctors and public health nurses to ensure that any risks to children are immediately dealt with.

How are they assessed?

They are assessed in a professional manner by the people I mentioned. A visit to somebody's house is not necessarily required for every assessment. As the Deputy wishes to be confrontational and, perhaps, political, it should be noted that much of the problem results from the reduction of additional funding for dealing with child abuse from £10 million in 1986 to £5 million in 1997.

It created a major crisis for the Eastern Health Board in particular when it reduced by half the amount of money provided. I have increased the amount of money provided in 1998 by £13 million. That is in addition to £2 million I received from the Minister for Finance to deal with the immediate crisis I faced when I came into office.

If Deputy Shatter wants to be political and not address the real issues, I will deal with him on that basis. He should be concerned about the real problems facing the Eastern Health Board and indeed other boards throughout the country. There are children at risk who are abused and neglected. The system is pressurised to a greater degree than it should in dealing with those but we are currently involved in a comprehensive programme to deal with that problem, and I ask Deputy Shatter to be a little more responsible in that regard. He should not throw around figures and make a political football out of this issue.

Deputy Shatter rose.

More than half the time allocated to priority questions has been spent on this question.

This is my final supplementary. It is a very serious issue. I will not delay the House by engaging in a figures argument which is inaccurate. The Minister of State knows the figures he has just given are not accurate. Is he aware of the fact that he is dealing with children who are at risk? Is he telling the House, as the Minister with special responsibility for children, that he does not know the number of reports of child abuse that have been made to health boards, and particularly the Eastern Health Board which has a major difficulty, that currently await assessment and investigation? The Minister of State has told the House he does not know the number awaiting assessment and investigation at the end of 1997. Is he telling the House he is currently reliant on figures going back to December 1996?

Will the Minister of State explain how all the professionals, including doctors, social workers and community nurses, can determine a list of priorities as to which child and family should be assessed based on phone call reports of abuse to health boards or brief reports from school teachers or other people? How can that priority system work? Will the Minister of State acknowledge that there are currently hundreds of reports made, particularly to the Eastern Health Board, in respect of which there has not been a single social worker visit, or a visit from any other health board professional, to a family, the person who made the report, where their identity has been revealed, or to the child to determine the degree to which the child is at risk? Will he accept it is his responsibility to rectify that? The Minister of State must first get the information and the facts with regard to children and what now must be done to address the crisis in this area.

One of the problems being experienced by the Eastern Health Board in particular is that its information systems are not as modernised as they should be — that exercise is currently being undertaken — and as a result it cannot provide more up-to-date statistics.

So what the health board is telling the Minister is not reliable?

We have addressed this issue and we have been in constant discussion with the Eastern Health Board about it. New equipment is being put in place that will give us the up-to-date statistical information we require, but that is different from the position regarding the cases currently being dealt with on a day to day basis by the board. My officials and I are in regular contact with the board's senior management to monitor carefully its assessment of cases. I am reassured that every case of reported child sexual abuse is properly investigated and that the professionalism of the social workers and other people in the board is without question. In fact, the professionalism of the board's staff, particularly its social workers, is the best I have found in any of the professions I have dealt with since I became involved in politics. It should be remembered that those social workers are dealing with traumatic cases. We are horrified to read about those cases in the papers but these young social workers, some of whom are not long out of college, have to deal with them on a daily basis. That is a difficult and traumatic experience for them. In fact, one of the problems currently being experienced by the Eastern Health Board is that it has several vacant positions for social workers which it is unable to fill. Notwithstanding those difficulties, which we cannot resolve with the magic wand Deputy Shatter is waving, I am satisfied that every case is dealt with promptly and adequately. It is correct that in many cases a visit to the family involved does not take place as quickly as it should. There are outstanding cases.

For months. We are now finding out the true story.

Deputy Shatter, I ask you not to interrupt. I will have to deal with you if you continue to interrupt. We have spent 16 minutes on one question and the Minister of State is entitled to reply without interruption.

There are cases outstanding but there are far fewer than the 1,000 outstanding when the Deputy's party was in Government.

The Minister of State is going back to 1996 again.

July 1997.

He does not have the figures. He is not doing his job properly. It is outrageous.

Please, Deputy Shatter.

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