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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 7 Oct 1998

Vol. 494 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Beef Industry.

I thank you for permitting me to raise again the issue of the £70 million EU fine on the Irish Government for irregularities and fraud in the beef industry. It gives me an opportunity to reply to the campaign of obfuscation which the Taoiseach and the Government have been orchestrating with some success since I first raised the matter yesterday.

I will state in simple terms what the issue is about. First, over a three year period from 1990 to 1992 sections of the beef industry, in particular the Goodman group, swindled huge sums of EU beef intervention moneys and abused the tendering process. In a letter to the chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, Deputy O'Malley estimated the extent of the scam was about £250 million. The European Commission became aware of the fraud and held the Irish Government and the Department of Agriculture and Food responsible, because they had been negligent in their control of the system. The Irish authorities were formally notified of this at meetings on 7 May 1993 and 27 July 1994, both of which dates were before the beef tribunal produced its report. The Commission imposed a fine on the Irish Government in the form of disallowances totalling almost £70 million. This was appealed by the Government and the final decision by the European Court of Justice was given last Thursday, confirming that the fine was to stand.

The question which now arises relates not to the fine itself, which has been confirmed by the European Court, but to the moneys which were swindled in the first place, the major beneficiary of which is known, namely, the Goodman group. Article 8 of EU Regulation 729/70 makes clear that member states are required by European law to seek recovery of sums lost as a result of irregularities or negligence. Our questions to the Minister of State, Deputy O'Keeffe, yesterday were specifically about the recovery of moneys lost due to irregularities or negligence in 1990 and 1991. The Minister replied that there was no recourse and no route to recovery; in other words, although the beneficiaries of the swindle are known, the State will not look for the money back, as it would do in the case of someone who defrauded social welfare or a small business which was late paying tax. The advice to this Government and to the previous Government was that recovery could not and should not be pursued until the appeal process was completed, and the legal advice was that it could not be done by way of a levy on the industry. My point, and that of my colleague, Deputy Rabbitte, has always been that recovery can and should be pursued through the Irish courts in accordance with Article 8 of EU Regulation 729/70.

This morning, the Taoiseach accused Deputy Rabbitte and me of seeking to confuse matters in the House yesterday, but it is he who has been most successful in generating a fog of detail which appears to have had the desired effect in some quarters. First, he arranged for the briefing and debriefing of the press corps yesterday evening, which left most people in the House unclear whether the Government was going to seek recovery of the money. Second, he announced that summonses were served on AIBP in Ardee yesterday for matters arising from the beef tribunal, thus giving the impression that the Government was pursuing something. He did not tell us that these summonses were authorised on 12 October 1997, nor why it has taken 12 months and questions on the Dáil Order Paper to activate them.

A traffic jam in Ardee?

Third, he sought to shift political responsibility onto the last Government by selectively referring to its legal advice, He did not explain that the question of recovering the money would arise only when the outcome of the appeal was known, as the then Secretary of the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry explained to the Committee of Public Accounts on 6 April 1995, and as is clear from the Government decision of 12 March 1996, which I call on the Taoiseach to publish in the interests of accuracy.

For two days the Taoiseach has been using the complexities of the beef intervention scheme, beef tribunal issues, legal cases, and European regulations to smother the scent of a rotten Government position. The Irish taxpayer had to pay a £70 million fine because a few beef barons swindled huge sums of European money. The swindlers are known but this Government is not going to seek recovery of the swindled money, as it is legally obliged to do. Will the Government seek the recovery, not of the fine per se, but of the swindled money? Will it take the beneficiaries to court to recover this money? If it persists in its refusal to do this, how does it expect to be able to protect the interests of this country in its discussions with the EU on agricultural funding, which was discussed by the Commission today, and on Structural Funds? If the Government does not do the job it is required to do under European law — to recover money which was swindled from European schemes — it will seriously undermine the position of this country and its industries in their dealings with the EU.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on this motion to dispel some of the confusion which has been evident over the past 24 hours. As regards Question No. 82 of 6 October, the answer I provided to Deputy Gilmore in the House yesterday was clear. The European Court of Justice delivered judgment on 1 October on the appeal by Ireland against the disallowances for beef intervention and multiple tendering. The court found in favour of the Commission and against Ireland. The amount of money involved was some £50 million in relation to intervention beef storage and some £1.8 million in relation to multiple tendering. The court upheld the Commission's position that there had been weakness in the control system for beef intervention in 1990 and 1991. It also ruled that the Commission had taken account of improvements in the control system which had been introduced when it reduced the 1991 penalty from 10 per cent to 5 per cent.

In regard to multiple tendering, the court found there had been an infringement of Article 9(2) of Regulation 859/89 and that member states have a general obligation to take the measures necessary to satisfy themselves that the transactions financed by FEOGA are executed correctly, even if the specific Community Act does not expressly provide for the adoption of particular supervisory measures. The court also rejected similar appeals lodged by Denmark, France, Italy and the UK. While the Government was disappointed with the outcome of the appeal, the court has spoken the final word on the matter and that has to be accepted.

The issue which has been debated in the House over the past day is why these disallowances cannot be recouped from certain companies which were seen to be responsible for the disallowances. On the face of it, this is a fair question with which many people will identify. It has been examined by a high level group which reported that the options for recovery of the disallowance were limited. This report was presented to the Government of which Deputy Gilmore's colleagues, Deputy De Rossa and Deputy Rabbitte, were members, and its conclusions were accepted by that Government.

Will the Minister publish the Government decision?

I have the release from the Department of Agriculture and Food. The truth is often bitter, as it is for Deputy Gilmore now. Hypocrisy is no good in this House.

Deputy Gilmore, the Minister did not interrupt you when he was speaking. Show courtesy by allowing him to speak without interruption, please.

The recoveries group was established in April 1995, shortly after the notification of the proposed disallowance by the European Commission. Its terms of reference required it to examine all options of recoverability of disallowance with a view to having proposals ready for implementation when the final decision would be made by the Commission. The group consisted of senior officials from the Department of Agriculture, Food and Forestry, as it then was, the Department of Finance and the Office of the Attorney General, and a senior counsel served as its independent legal adviser. Following the formal disallowance decision in March 1996, the group reported to the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry.

The legal advice obtained and endorsed by the group was that the disallowance levied on Ireland did not of itself entitle the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Forestry to recover any part of the disallowance from companies which may have featured in the case made against Ireland by the European Commission. The group examined the options of imposing a general levy on the beef industry or a levy on those companies against which there was evidence of wrongdoing in the period 1990-2 in respect of which the disallowances were made. It concluded neither option would be legally sustainable. The other major option considered was for specific recovery based on proven irregularities. In this respect the group concluded that any proceedings must be based on a recognised cause of action in Irish law and must be proved in accordance with the rules of evidence in civil proceedings.

Why does the Government not do that?

The point has been raised as to why Article 8 of Regulation 729/70 should not be used to recover moneys lost as a result of irregularities or negligence. The point has been raised as to why Article 8 of Regulation No. 729/70 should not be used to recover moneys lost as a result of irregularities or negligence. The position remains that this Article cannot be used for recovery purposes unless a direct link can be proved between the irregularity and the specific recovery.

That could be proved.

The recoveries group noted that proceedings had issued against AIBP for the recovery of damages in respect of irregularities found at AIBP Rathkeale. Further proceedings were then in preparation for issue against AIBP in respect of irregularities at Shannon Meats. Both proceedings have yet to come to a court hearing. Some £1.8 million is being sought in recoveries in respect of these cases.

Allegations had been presented to the beef tribunal about the non-declaration of deboning yields which, under the regulation are the property of the intervention agency. This matter has been the subject of a recent Government discussion arising out of which it was decided to serve summonses on AIBP. These summonses were served yesterday afternoon and the next step will be for the Department to submit a claim within 21 days.

As regards Questions Nos. 86 and 106, I can confirm that investigations were initiated in November 1997 at the plant referred to while an audit was conducted there in March 1998. As regards the November 1997 issue, the investigations were undertaken on foot of information received by my Department about the delivery of cattle to the plant. Arising from these, my Department was satisfied that the cattle in question had been imported from the United Kingdom in contravention of EU veterinary regulations, as transposed into Irish law. Consequently and in accordance with the established policy, the cattle were slaughtered, the carcases were rendered and the resulting material was subsequently exported for incineration.

As indicated in the reply to Question No. 86, the precise origin of these cattle in the United Kingdom has not been definitely established but it is believed they came here from Northern Ireland. A slaughter notice was served on the owner of the cattle. The investigations have not yet been completed but I assure the House that my Department is most anxious that legal proceedings be taken against those involved with this illegal importation if it is possible to sustain a case.

The Minister is taking his time about it.

The audit in March was conducted by the EU Food and Veterinary Office and followed a new audit format which was introduced in early 1998 by the EU Commission. Following on from this a detailed review of the Departments regulatory activities and controls was undertaken by officers of my Department and existing procedures were further developed and modified in the context of the demands of the new audit format.

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