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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 19 Oct 1999

Vol. 509 No. 4

Private Members' Business. - Nurses Dispute: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann censures the Minister for Health and Children for his failure to take appropriate action to secure a solution to the nurses dispute and avert a national nursing strike; notes the belated invitation issued by the Minister to the unions to preliminary talks; and, having regard to the serious hardship being created for patients and others dependent on the health services and the potentially catastrophic implications for the health services of a prolonged dispute, urges the Minister to instruct the health service employers to enter into immediate negotiations with the Nursing Alliance with a view to concluding an agreement capable of addressing the legitimate grievances of the nurses.

I propose to share time with Deputies Penrose, Moynihan-Cronin, Ó Caoláin and Joe Higgins.

Is that agreed? Agreed. The Deputy may proceed.

I welcome the opportunity to table this motion in respect of which I am seeking the support of the House, particularly the Independent Deputies who can play such a significant role in supporting it and ensuring a speedy and fair end to the nurses strike.

This morning I visited a number of pickets outside hospitals. I met nurses who were angry, frustrated and extremely vocal. Most of all, I met nurses who did not want to be there, they wanted to be at work and they were very aware of the value of their worth, as advocates and as carers of the sick and the dying. However, these committed people had taken the drastic step, as they see it, of leaving their patients to stand on the picket line because all other means to address their needs had failed and because the future of nursing demands it of them. They described themselves as the plaster in the cracks, the mortar between the bricks, the polyfilla of the health ser vices, and nobody could disagree with that description of the essential role of nurses. Doctors agree with it, which is clear from the statements they made in recent weeks, as do other health professionals, patients and the public at large. When our families, our own flesh and blood, can or will no longer care for us, it is nurses who provide the care we need. A nurse is most likely to be the first person we see when we open our eyes for the very first time when we are born and the last person we see before we close our eyes at the moment of death. All our lives nurses care and look after us when we need it. It is time that we look after them, not just for their sake but for the sake of the profession itself.

That is what makes this strike potentially so disastrous. It removes the mortar from between the bricks in a way that destabilises the very foundation of our health service. Today has been described by one nurse as the saddest and darkest day in the history of Irish nursing. Another nurse referred to it as "Black Tuesday". Withdrawing his or her care from patients goes against everything for which a nurse stands. It goes against the training, the ethos, the vocation of nursing. However, nurses have been driven to take what is, for them, an unprecedented, desperate action. They know that what they are doing has an impact on their patients and they have shown great responsibility in how they have gone about taking industrial action. The fact that they are providing unpaid emergency cover speaks for itself. They also know that if they do not stand up for their profession now, it will not have a future that is worthy of the name.

What is most significant about this first ever all-out strike by nurses is that it should never have happened. It was not inevitable. It is the direct result of Government failure, not just of the Minister for Health and Children but of a collective Cabinet which made the conscious decision not to act or intervene while there was still time. This strike could and should have been pre-empted long before we reached crisis point. If the Government was capable and caring enough to meet the task, all nurses would be at work today. However, this is a Government beset by financial scandals, a Government that appears unaware of the anger of its people as they hear more and more evidence not just of low standards in high places but of a flagrant disregard for laws that govern the rest of us and a Government which appears unconcerned about the fact that for too long we have had one law for the rich and one for the poor.

Nurses are tired of the promises that have not been delivered upon. The Government's programme committed it to tackle waiting lists, but instead they have grown longer. There are approximately 34,000 people on these lists at present, a figure that will inevitably increase now. We have a health service that is underfunded, with closed wards and operating theatres and crowded, stressful accident and emergency units. Nurses live with these deficiencies on a daily basis and they bear the brunt of public dissatisfaction with the health system. They deal with the increasing expectations of a growing population that is generally more affluent, educated and litigious and whose frustration grows as their health needs are not met.

Shortcomings in the health services are a daily reality for nurses. The matron of the National Maternity Hospital reminded us in The Irish Times during the week that it was nursing midwives who offered to forgo part of their salaries in the midst of the severity of the mid-1980s health cuts in order to limit staff reductions and thus maintain a high standard of care despite the cutbacks. It is nurses who have fought to hold our health service together. In return, it is nurses who have the longest working week, the shortest annual leave and the lowest pay of all health professionals. Is this truly how we wish to reward years of service and dedication?

The Government keeps reminding us of the dangers inherent in pay relativities and follow-on claims from other groups in the public sector if pay demands by the nurses are met. It is worth reminding this House that the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, has no difficulty defending increases of up to 40 per cent for politicians in order to attract and retain high quality individuals to the profession. He has noted the significantly greater amounts the same individuals could earn in the private sector. Our politicians, he said, deserve to be properly paid and to be treated fairly in accordance with the work they do, their commitment to the public good and their profession. It is time, he feels, to recognise that the successful operation of our system of government rests with our politicians and to reward them in accordance with the responsibility they carried on our behalf.

Sadly, the same logic has failed to carry through to the Government's thinking in relation to nurses. Instead the Minister for Finance has called them claim-jumpers. Since we do not treat our health system with the recognition, reward and funding it deserves, we are already finding it increasingly difficult to attract and retain the necessary medical and nursing personnel. Depending on which estimate one takes, it appears that at least 1,000 nurses are needed at present, yet the haemorrhage of nurses out of the system will be accelerated even further unless a new direction is taken in terms of the pay, conditions and status of nurses. One thing is clear, there is no shortage of money to pay nurses well. Nobody, even the Minister, has argued that their case is undeserving or that the course of action nurses have taken is illegal or even unusual in industrial relations terms.

Two weeks ago the Government announced an Exchequer surplus of £1.7 billion. That is almost double the amount forecast in last year's budget. On 22 September nurses voted overwhelmingly to reject the Labour Court recommendation. Under industrial legislation they have a perfect right to do so because a recommendation is not mandatory. The Minister, in the statements he issued in recent weeks, constantly used the term "arbitration", but he was being disingenuous.

There are many examples where Labour Court recommendations were rejected by one side or the other. Normal practice has been that such rejection would lead to further negotiations. What was different in this instance is that the Minister refused to negotiate, he refused even to talk to the nurses. Instead the Government embarked on a course which can only be described as macho brinkmanship. The Minister for Finance accused nurses of being claim-jumpers and the Taoiseach supported him. The Minister for Health and Children tried to frighten nurses with the argument that they would be responsible for cutbacks in the health service. Even the Minister for Tourism, Sport and Recreation, Deputy McDaid, who should know better, in this House attacked nurses and my defence of them. Of course, Deputy McDaid, as a doctor, does know better. On 19 Jan 1997 he wrote in the Irish Independent: “Why have we reached the point where for the first time ever we are faced with the prospect of nurses on a hospital picket line?” He gave the following answer:

The public has always assumed that because nurses work in an area where health, life and death are so much to the fore they would never even contemplate a strike. Consequently such agencies as the Department of Finance have taken them for granted and have kept them firmly locked in a scheme where it is ordained that the various public service workers must keep their places in the pecking order.

We must accept that nurses should be treated as a very special case by the public service and by the Department of Finance in particular.

So said Deputy McDaid two short years ago yet last week in this House he lectured the nurses in a way they found offensive and which was clearly ineffective. When it was clear that the nurses were going to go ahead with the strike the Minister for Health and Children sent a letter to their representatives. This, I understand, was the first communication he had had with them since the Labour Court recommendation was published. On Sunday last when he went on radio we all listened very carefully to what he had to say. He sought an assurance from the nursing unions which was given immediately and which the unions say was nothing new for them to say. Yesterday, on the eve of the strike, the Minister sat down for the first time with the Nursing Alliance. It took until the eleventh hour for him to do so when there was clearly no hope of averting the strike.

It is significant that any reference to the Labour Court recommendation has suddenly disappeared from the Minister's lexicon. What is his view now? Is it that a 95 per cent rejection by the workforce means that the Labour Court recom mendation cannot be enforced? If that is the case why, in God's name, did he not come to that conclusion weeks ago when the nurses had made their position crystal clear? Did the Minister believe that by ignoring that reality it would, somehow, change?

Meanwhile the public asks the key questions. Why did the Minister take so long and why is he still taking so long? Talks could have begun weeks ago. They could have gone on all night in order to reach a resolution. Instead the Minister ended at 5.50 p.m., teatime, a civilised hour for anyone who wants to catch the six o'clock news but this hardly sends out the signal that the Minister is conscious of the need for urgency, or even that these talks are for real. The unions have met with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, as requested, and the ICTU has sought an urgent meeting with the employers. The fact that this meeting is being held indicates that at last the Government understands that this is a matter of urgency. The intervention of the ICTU is very welcome and it is incumbent on the Government to respond positively, quickly and imaginatively even at this late hour. If action is being taken now why could it not have been taken weeks ago? It is no wonder that the public is perplexed and worried.

Today all non-emergency surgery and out-patient clinics in the 46 acute hospital across the country were cancelled. An estimated 7,000 appointments will be cancelled every day this strike goes on. Already patients requiring medical procedures have had them cancelled. This has been happening for a number of days now. There is hidden suffering of which, I am sure, all TDs are aware in their own constituencies and which will only deepen unless there is a swift resolution to the dispute. I know of one man, for example, who has a form of gangrene, and who requires a toe amputation. This procedure was cancelled although his is an excruciatingly painful condition. This is the kind of case which inevitably results from Government delay and prevarication. I have been told of one paediatric hospital where children are affected because their intravenous drips, normally provided by skilled and experienced nurses, will have to be inserted by junior doctors who do not have the same level of skill as nurses. If the doctor fails to get the drip inserted after two attempts the nurse is called. One can only imagine the distress that this can cause a sick child. How can the Minister, who describes himself as Minister for Health and Children, justify the price of his inaction being paid by hospitalised children? It is clear that the system cannot sustain more days of a strike of this magnitude.

I read the report in The Irish Times of emergency arrangements in the various hospitals. In St. James Hospital all routine out-patient procedures have been postponed except for those for coagulation and warfarin patients and other special cases. In Beaumont out-patient clinics, blood tests and elective admissions have been cancelled. In Cork University Hospital, of the 260 nurses normally on duty, only 70 will be rostered. In the Mater Hospital, Dublin all non-emergency admissions have been cancelled, out-patient clinics have been deferred although special arrangements will be made for urgent cases such as fractures and warfarin. It goes on and on. This is happening in every acute hospital. Cases which may not be emergencies can very quickly become so and it is clear that the suffering and distress caused to patients is very real indeed.

Another aspect of this strike is deeply disturbing. Already our health service is typified by a two tier system in which those who can afford to pay access treatment faster than those who cannot. Because the Government allowed this strike to take place, that inequality has become even more acute. The private hospitals are still fully operational and the consultants' private consulting rooms are open. For the private patient this strike has a very different outcome than for the public patient. The inequality that is such an ugly feature of our health services has been deepened and exacerbated in an entirely new and unjustifiable way.

I welcome the intervention of the ICTU which is the first real ray of hope. All of us hope that a new initiative is possible and that it will be successful. It is very likely that nurses will be asked to adopt a new approach and to prove, yet again, their flexibility. But it should not be up to nurses alone to prove their willingness to adapt to change. What is required is a fundamental change of heart from the Government. So far it appears able only to totter from one crisis to the next. At a time of plenty our health services suffer a malaise that demands a new and vigorous political leadership. Tragically, that is the one thing it has not received. The problems of patient care, waiting lists, closed wards and empty operating theatres, staff shortages and staff exhaustion are legion. I urge the Minister to respond to the Irish Congress of Trade Unions swiftly and effectively to bring about a just settlement and to allow the nurses to go back to work. But the Minister must accept that he is responsible for having made a bad situation worse. His trail of destruction has led us to this point where the inherent difficulties of our health services have been made significantly worse. It is clear that the inherent problems within our healthcare system are still waiting for a Minister who has the capability and the commitment to put things right.

I am glad to have the opportunity to contribute to this debate although I had hoped it would not be necessary to debate this issue this evening. I had hoped the Minister would have intervened to ensure that today's events would not take place. The inflexible and often belligerent attitude of the Minister for Health and Children and the Government became clear this morning. Many people, including myself, did not think we would see the day when nurses who have selflessly contributed to the development of the health care services would be forced on to the picket line in their campaign for fair play and a fair wage. However, the stance the Government adopted in the critical days since nurses voted against the Labour Court recommendation left the nursing profession with no option. Until the eleventh hour the Government refused to meet the nurses face to face. Government Ministers lectured nurses on the airwaves. They insulted nurses with their belligerent sound bites. Confrontation and not conciliation was the order of the day. It is this attitude which has resulted in the nurses strike. Nurses are on the picket line because the Government did not have the decency to meet them face to face in the days after the vote.

I have heard many Government Deputies speak in the House and elsewhere about the success of partnership. Unless I am a dodo, the essence of partnership is communication, not confrontation, and this involves the unilateral implementation of the fundamentals of partnership. It must be brought about by both sides. I could never understand in regard to this dispute that while partnership was lauded, the sound fundamentals of partnership policies over the past 12 years were not utilised to ensure communication through face to face talks where the issues would be thrashed out around the table away from the glare of the national press.

One makes a stand based on sound fundamentals and if members of the Government parties have a problem with this analysis, I challenge them to visit the nurses on picket lines throughout the country, as I and many of my colleagues did this morning. I was on the picket lines at Mullingar General Hospital, St. Mary's Hospital, Mullingar, which cares for the elderly, and St. Loman's psychiatric hospital. I spoke to nurses who are genuinely at the end of their tether as far as the Government is concerned. They believe that no other professional body in the State would have been subject to the treatment meted out to them over the past fortnight.

Does anyone on the Government benches understand the anger of nurses who yesterday opened their national newspapers and saw that the Government had spent thousands of pounds advertising its position on this dispute? If the Government showed similar decency in communicating with nurses around a negotiating table rather than through the national press, the health services would not have been plunged into crisis today.

It was not possible for the Labour Court to deal with all the nurses' concerns and I readily acknowledge that a multiplicity of problems attach to the nursing profession but this is not a unique experience in industrial relations. For instance, the management of Tara Mines recently did not accept a Labour Court recommendation. However, during the stand-off, the Minister for the Environment and Local Government did not lecture the parties involved in the dispute about the sanctity of Labour Court recommendations. In tandem with a number of others, he hammered out a deal which effectively changed the recommendations and succeeded in achieving a resolution of the dispute.

The Labour Court is the last resort when dealing with industrial relations problems but at the end of the day if individuals or groups are entrenched in their views and will not accept its recommendations, an alternative route must be found. If one is not happy with a Circuit Court decision, one appeals it to the High Court and if one is not happy with that, one takes the case to the Supreme Court. Other mechanisms must be available because we are in a new era. What worked in 1946 and 1969 may not work in 1999 and that must be realised. No initiatives were taken to deal with the nurses and there was no negotiation or flexibility. This course of action has hardened the attitude of those on the picket line and it makes resolution of the dispute more difficult.

However, at long last the Government has realised that the dispute can be resolved only through negotiation. It has taken two weeks for the Minister to realise the blindingly obvious – so much for a Government whose policies are based on an action programme. I urge the Minister and his colleagues in Government to swiftly bring this strike to an end. Ordinary people who depend on our health services and do not have large wallets or cheque books with which to seek health treatment elsewhere have suffered too much and will continue to suffer as long as nurses remain on the picket line.

Even without this industrial dispute our health services are struggling to meet the demands placed upon them. There are waiting lists, queues for treatment, staff shortages and mothers who must wait for ENT treatment. These are just some of the problems which the Minister must address to ensure that our health services serve the needs of the community. It is essential that, when more than 90 per cent of a profession dedicated to caring rejects an industrial relations proposal, the Government has the common sense and foresight to sit down and explore avenues to resolve the outstanding issues and embark on a rational, sane course of action without further delay.

The date 19 October 1999 will be remembered as one of the worst days in the lifetime of the Government. It is, as one senior representative of the nursing unions stated, "a black day for our industrial relations". In this era of unprecedented wealth the Government has allowed the nurses dispute to fester for months and let the unthinkable happen. It has forced our 28,000 nurses out on strike through its ineptitude. They have a proud record of serving the people in our hospitals. The Government, to its shame, is the first Administration in the history of the State to allow a national nurses strike to take place, and it is the biggest strike in the history of industrial relations.

Before I travelled to Leinster House today I met nurses on the picket line in Killarney and their message was that they wanted the Minister to listen to them. In recent months the Government's attitude to the nurses has been patronising and, at worst, downright insulting. The Minister for Finance has accused the nurses of being "hell bent on national chaos". The nurses I met on the picket line today were not hell bent on national chaos but dedicated professionals who deserve respect from their employers.

It must be understood that the nurses action has arisen as a result of the failure of their employers, county councils, health boards and the Department of Health and Children, to recognise their skills, dedication and professionalism over many years. This failure was primarily due to the fact that employers never imagined that nurses would take industrial action because they were mainly women. This has resulted in the salaries and conditions of nurses falling far behind those of other groups in the health services.

The previous Government established a Commission on Nursing, which was the first acknowledgement that nurses had received a raw deal over a number of years, especially under the terms of the national agreements since 1987. If that is to be rectified and they are to receive the salaries they deserve, we must have the courage to look beyond the confines of current national programmes and address their concerns. That commission will not be repeated in our lifetime. It produced a document which charts the future of a unique profession.

I stress that the Minister has hidden behind an erroneous interpretation of the role of the Labour Court and the nature of its recommendations. It must be remembered that the Labour Court merely makes recommendations, which can be rejected or accepted, and in this case more than 90 per cent of nurses in a nationwide ballot democratically voiced their objections to some elements of its recommendations. If the shoe was on the other foot and an employer had rejected recommendations in such an overwhelming manner, the Government would have immediately moved to sit around a table and hammer out a solution. However, such a sensible, reasonable course of action does not extend to nurses. Over the past two weeks nurses have been lectured and their reasonable concerns have been rubbished at the highest levels of Government.

The democratic voice of thousands of low paid workers, many of whom are women, does not provoke the same response from Government as the rumblings of discontent from the pinstriped suits that fill the boardrooms of Ireland's leading industrial heavyweights. The Government has made a shambles of the dispute and what should have been another important stage in the development of nursing has been transformed into a full-scale crisis, which affects thousands of families. This cannot be allowed to continue. The nursing unions and ICTU want a resolution of this dispute immediately. All it will take is for the Minister to realise the damage that his policy has done to date. He must reverse that policy, swallow some pride and talk seriously to the nurses, who deserve a fair hearing, who want to return to work and who contribute so much to our health care services.

I fully endorse the Labour Party motion and record my thanks for the opportunity to speak in this debate. Today began what is described as the biggest strike in the history of this country, as nearly 30,000 nurses took to the picket line. This morning I joined the nurses on the picket line at Monaghan General Hospital and St. Davnet's psychiatric hospital. I have seldom met a more determined group of people, nor have I seen such genuine public support for any industrial action. I know from speaking to nurses, not just this morning but over recent weeks, that they are, on the one hand, deeply disturbed that they have been forced into this action but equally resolved to see it through to a just and equitable outcome.

The nurses strike was a long time in the offing. The Government has no iota of an excuse for its failure to address fully the issues which have led to it. In an economy about which this Government boasts to the world, there is a health service which is losing nurses and closing wards and has growing waiting lists. We have the greatest budget surplus in the history of the State, yet the Government cannot organise the health services to provide the care that is needed.

What we are seeing in this nurses strike is the final effort to end forever the legacy of structural inequality which has plagued our health service. Because they were predominantly women, nurses were regarded for decades by the men in church and State who controlled the health system as worthy only of menial tasks, while education and lucrative practice was the exclusive preserve of the predominantly male elite of the medical profession. Nurses have worked long and hard to overcome that legacy but still have not been fully recognised as the caring, educated professionals they are.

Key issues of pay, education, training, promotion and pensions have not been resolved. The anger, sincerity and determination of nurses gives the lie to the claim that this is only about money or that the nurses are leading a stampede of greedy public servants about to trample over the Minister, Deputy McCreevy, like punters at a race meeting. The matron of the National Maternity Hospital wrote movingly in The Irish Times on Saturday of how nurses had to enforce at hospital bed level the savage cuts imposed by successive Governments in the 1980s. They, not Ministers for Health or Taoisigh, were the ones who had to turn patients away and watch them suffer and die because of cutbacks. Only now do we know the full extent of the hypocrisy of the political leaders who imposed those cuts as they lived in extravagant luxury and allowed their wealthy friends to rob the Exchequer of money desperately needed for health care. Is it any wonder there is such anger among nurses and such support for them from ordinary people?

I welcome the talks now under way in conjunction with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. I echo the call of the nurses' representatives for direct and meaningful negotiations. I also call on the Taoiseach to become directly and personally involved and to deploy in the resolution of this dispute the undoubted negotiating skills which he has demonstrated in a number of areas, including, from my own experience, the peace process.

The word "crisis" is much abused but there can be no doubt that we are in a national crisis which will deepen every hour this strike continues. It is reprehensible, therefore, that it is proposed by the Government that this Dáil should not sit next week. It would be an absolute disgrace if this assembly was to absent itself during the biggest strike in our history which affects tens of thousands of sick people. I give notice that I will oppose this proposal on the Order of Business tomorrow and I invite other Deputies to join me.

I extend my solidarity and that of my colleagues in Sinn Féin to the nurses and hope that their action is successful in achieving justice, their basic claim.

(Dublin West): I support the motion and thank the spokesperson and Whip of the Labour Party for the time arrangements. It is despicable that tens of thousands of nurses find themselves on picket lines up and down the county. The Government is busy wishing to lose the real issues of this dispute in a fog of talk about relativities, partnerships and catch-ups when it is not insulting the nurses outright, as the Minister for Finance did with his despicable reference to nurses as claim jumpers. Someone should tell the Minister for Finance that the wild west is long gone and that it only existed in the imaginations of comic book writers and cheap novelists. The Minister for Finance should be told that the situation regarding nurses requires far more sensitivity than he might dish out to his friends in a bar in Cheltenham.

The origins of this crisis go back to the criminal neglect by successive Governments of the health services and those most crucial to it, the nurses. They go back particularly to the savage cuts inflicted in the health services in the late 1980s when student nurses were unceremoniously deprived of an income and a place in a nurses' home. Consequently they have been thrown onto the mercy of landlords who, in many cases, are outright rack-renters, although I have not heard any Government Minister refer to them in the same insulting terms that they scandalously used to refer to the nurses. Hundreds of nurses were lost to the system as a result of such measures.

It is significant that the origin of the crisis goes back to the 1980s. That was the decade when "Ansbacher man" cast a long shadow over the affairs of this State. The Ansbacher men, the captains of industry, bankers, developers and specu lators, the golden circle of business and politics, the people calling for and implementing savage cuts in public spending, including in the health services, while systematically defrauding the tax system of not tens of millions nor hundreds of millions but billions of pounds, taking into account the offshore scams and the money which was the subject of the tax amnesties in 1988 and 1993. That money could have provided a lifeline for the health services, which would have prevented the cutbacks, suffering and deterioration and which would have allowed the status and role of nurses to be properly recognised and remunerated.

The Government, which has a direct link to the events of the 1980s, has no moral authority whatsoever in refusing nurses the justifiable claims they have put forward. The Government should be clear that the public is fully behind the nurses' campaign. The Minister should not be fooled by one or two radio programmers who selectively cull from the most negative comments from a tiny minority of the public. Instead he should listen to what the people are saying to the nurses on the picket lines. They appreciate what they have done, recognise the crucial role they play and understand that proper remuneration of nurses and recognition of their position will deliver a health service far superior to what we have at present.

They also recognise what will happen if the opposite is the case. If the nurses are defeated in this campaign it would have a demoralising effect on them and therefore on the health service. It is in the interests of working people and trade unionists everywhere that nurses are granted their just claims. The Irish Congress of Trade Unions should, by all means, facilitate discussions, but the Irish Congress of Trade Unions should be out in front, leading public support for the nurses, giving voice to it to such an extent that the Government will listen and pay up.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following;

"Dáil Éireann endorses the efforts being made by the Minister for Health and Children to bring about a resolution of the nurses' strike by a process through which nursing issues can be addressed within the parameters of social partnership.".

This is a very complex and difficult dispute. In saying this, I am not only giving my own view of this dispute, but I am also giving the view of the trade union personnel who are also dealing with it from their side. If it were not a complex issue, we would have found a resolution to the difficulties long before now.

The first point I want to make abundantly clear is that there has been no change in the position of the Government. Our position has been con sistent throughout. It has never been a case of calling on the Nursing Alliance to simply take or leave the Labour Court findings. The Government want the Labour Court findings accepted and to move on to the other issues in the context of the Commission on Nursing report and social partnership.

On 23 September, the Taoiseach outlined a credible alternative to confrontation and a way forward that will in my view provide a better outcome for us all, including for nurses.

I omitted to say I wish to share my time with Deputy Roche.

That alternative is a renewal of our commitment at national level to social partnership and a series of practical steps to a new partnership agreement. That national position must be combined with an approach to public service pay which is imaginative in ensuring that the income of public servants should more closely reflect their performance and not be based on so-called traditional relativities. This is the context in which the aims and aspirations of public servants, including nurses, can best be met. It would also be the best context within which to set the progressive implementation of the report of the Commission on Nursing.

It was not until last Saturday that I heard, for the first time, an explicit acknowledgement from the Nursing Alliance that it recognised that the Government obviously has difficulties in dealing with this matter in the way that the alliance had been asking it to do up to then. In the course of being interviewed last Sunday on the RTE "This Week" programme, I made the following statement:

I am saying very clearly, and it has always been the Government's position, that if the Nursing Alliance unions recommit themselves to social partnership, acknowledge that we cannot pursue issues in isolation from the wider public sector pay implications, acknowledge that we cannot tear up existing agreements, if that is the position of the Nursing Alliance, then clearly there is a whole range of possibilities open to them to pursue their agenda.

I have been at pains all along to let everybody know that the problem in dealing with this issue is that existing social partnership agreements must be honoured, and that the primacy of the Labour Court as a means of settling disputes must be upheld. At 3 o'clock last Sunday, the Nursing Alliance issued the following statement:

The Nursing Alliance wishes to reiterate that it is cognisant of the Government's difficulties in further addressing the outstanding pay issues for nursing grades against the backdrop of existing social agreements.

The alliance also realises that any discussions will have to consider those difficulties while also providing a forum and process which will address, in a meaningful way, the outstanding pay related issues from the Commission on Nursing.

In the above context we state once again we are available for talks.

Later that evening I issued a statement noting this recognition by the Nursing Alliance, and indicating that if the alliance was genuine in its desire to identify a process by which these issues might be addressed within the parameters of pay partnership, then I would be available to meet the alliance the following day, which was yesterday.

I met the representatives of the Nursing Alliance at 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon in the Department of Health and Children in Hawkins House. The most important achievement coming from yesterday's meeting was the mutual recognition of the problems that exist on both sides. It was a good working meeting and I certainly found it helpful and constructive and it provided for a useful exchange of ideas. Both parties agreed to go back to the social partners and talk to their own sides in the partnership and seek help in trying to find a process that will allow for the resolution of this dispute on such a broad basis.

Having met them yesterday, I feel that the Nursing Alliance is also trying to find a way forward in this matter and they have told me that in finding the way forward the Nursing Alliance is anxious not to undermine the Labour Court findings. The Nursing Alliance is cognisant of the importance of ensuring that existing and current partnership arrangements are not jeopardised and this also concerns the possible knock-on effects, and it has no wish to create additional problems for the Government.

As a first stage, it is important that the alliance and the management side accept that both sets of problems must be of equal status. I have been at pains to find a way forward that is not prescriptive of the outcome at an early stage. I am trying to put in place a process that will lead to a successful outcome but will not of itself have any harmful pay effects or knock-ons.

I am anxious to explore the possibilities of doing business in this way and ensuring that the social partners, Government, employers and Congress, would be fully involved. I do not want the social partnership that we have built up to fall down around us during any forthcoming negotiations. Having met the Nursing Alliance yesterday, I am satisfied that it does not want that either.

Because of the number of people, or groups, lining up behind the current nurses' claim, it is important to ensure that arguments which may seem specific to nursing now are not later used by any of these groups to advance their particular case within the next number of weeks or months. I do not see this route as a lengthy process but it should be comprehensive so that both sides do not simply keep arguing over old scores.

I am most anxious to ensure that any new process or any new concepts which might be involved in progressing the situation do not interfere, or be seen to interfere, with the primacy of the Labour Court. I have always maintained and I still maintain, that the Labour Court should be the court of final appeal. While I am anxious to devise a new way of resolving the current problems, I do not see this process operating as if the Labour Court did not exist.

I also believe there must be trust in the social partnership model to ensure that both sides in this dispute would see social partnership as having the integrity necessary to facilitate a solution and to ensure that binding agreements are honoured. It should be our common agenda and it is certainly mine to ensure we get this new process agreed by the social partners and for my part I have indicated to Government that any such initiative should, as it were, have the imprimatur of the social partners. I believe we should have common ground where the representatives of the employers and of the unions would work together quickly to devise a process which would deal with these issues in a manner that is satisfactory to all the parties concerned.

In the acute hospital sector, the strike means no elective admissions or theatre lists; no out-patient clinics; and no day hospital services. In general, only emergency services are being maintained. Already the strike has impacted on many people through the cancellation of elective surgery, the closure of day services and the cancellation of out-patient clinics.

The Health Service Employers Agency has been in discussions with the unions regarding the provision of emergency and essential nursing cover during the strike. As I informed the House last week, some progress was made in arrangements for care. While the continued absence of a nationally agreed framework leaves an element of uncertainty regarding the provision of minimum care requirements at all locations for the duration of the strike, discussions at local level closed the gap considerably in the last few days before the strike. The Nursing Alliance has said it is not the intention to compromise patient care and I am prepared to accept that.

I would also like to put on record that the co-operation between the management and union sides, where they have agreed and provided emergency cover, is very much appreciated. Those plans were put in place to try to keep the inconvenience to the public to the absolute minimum. The reports available to me to date from around the country bear this out and indicate that thankfully there were no major difficulties on the ground today so far.

The position as conveyed to me from regional centres regarding acute hospital services is that problems to date have been resolved, with services operating in line with emergency plans agreed with local strike committees. In a number of areas, staffing levels have been increased following review by strike committees. Some unresolved issues are being pursued with the relevant strike committees and unions. This will require constant monitoring and continued co-operation for the duration of the strike.

In the Eastern Health Board area, accident and emergency departments are busy but at levels that are, in the main, in line with normal levels for the time of year. Services in all three hospitals in the Midland Health Board area are operating in accordance with emergency plans agreed with local strike committees. Accident and emergency services were operating relatively well in the Mid-Western Health Board area. Routine epidural services have been withdrawn and this matter is being pursued with the relevant unions. All hospitals were very busy in the North Western Health Board area but significant problems have not occurred. Staffing levels in the maternity units in Sligo and Letterkenny were increased by the strike committees following review.

Services in the South Eastern Health Board and North Eastern Health Board areas were operating in accordance with emergency plans agreed with local strike committees. Particular problems have not been reported. The numbers awaiting admission through accident and emergency departments in the Southern Health Board area are low and in-patient bed levels were reported to be adequate today.

Services in the Western Health Board area were generally operating in accordance with the locally agreed emergency plan. Some unresolved issues are being pursued with the relevant strike committee and unions. In addition, management is responding to the strike committee regarding patients scheduled for surgery for tomorrow and Thursday.

Regarding services to persons with an intellectual disability, from initial information it appears that planned respite services in nearly every agency affected by the strike have been cancelled. Day services, where nurses are employed, have also been badly affected. These services would tend to be the day services used by those with a more severe level of disability. Some residential services have also been closed, but overall these services are operating with disruptions and with minimal nursing care.

In relation to community health, planned essential services are generally being delivered, which includes nursing services to the terminally ill and the long-term sick patients in the community. Mental health residential services are operating with some disruptions while out-patient and day care services are generally not operating. Regarding services for older people, in general, day care and respite services are not operating. Residential services and public health nursing services are operating with disruptions.

It is clear that the report of the Commission on Nursing will feature in the process we are trying to put in place to resolve this dispute. The Government remains fully committed to the implementation of the recommendations in the commission's report. While all of the attention has been concentrated on the three pay related recommendations, the commission made some 200 other recommendations designed to tackle the underlying problems within the nursing profession and to develop nursing as a key profession within the health service. The changes proposed by the commission range from reforming the current statutory framework for the regulation of the nursing profession to the introduction of new clinical career pathways for nurses and midwives.

The commission has taken full account of the future realities within which nursing must be sustained and developed as a profession. The commission's report must be viewed as a significant one in terms of getting to grips with the more fundamental problems of nursing. The commission has provided a framework for improving the way nurses are managed, involving them more in decision making, providing them with new career pathways and empowering them generally in the service. It is important to remember that the nursing profession itself played a central role in informing the deliberations of the commission and in shaping its report, as seven of the 14 members of the commission were drawn from the various strands of the profession.

Despite the ongoing difficulties with the three pay related recommendations, real and substantial progress has been made over the past 13 months or so in implementing the central recommendations of the Commission on Nursing. I will avail of this opportunity to give an outline of the areas in which change has or is taking place, in response to the commission's proposals.

On nursing education and training, I have established a representative nursing education forum to prepare the ground for moving pre-registration nursing education from the present three year diploma based programme to a four year degree programme. This forum is proceeding with its work and is expected to report to me by late next year. The whole thrust of this initiative is to place the basic education of nurses on a par with that of other professionals in the health service, something which the nursing profession has been looking for and which the Commission on Nursing has endorsed.

In relation to nursing and midwifery planning and development units, I have provided funding of £100,000 to each of the eight health boards for the establishment of a regional nursing and midwifery planning and development unit. These units will be responsible for strategic planning and quality assurance of nursing and midwifery services in each health board area. They will also be involved in co-ordinating and improving co-operation between health boards and voluntary bodies in the delivery of nursing and midwifery services.

It is unfortunately the case that the introduction of these new units has been held up because of disagreement with the INO over the level of salary to be paid to the nurse director of each unit. The view of the INO is that the post holder should be paid the same salary as the director of nursing of a band one hospital. My Department does not consider that the responsibilities of the new position, which is effectively a Monday to Friday strategic planning job, can reasonably be compared with the onerous responsibilities of the top manager of the nursing resource of a major acute teaching hospital.

On strengthening nursing input at departmental level, since the commission's report was published, the nursing policy division of my Department has been strengthened by the appointment of five additional nurse advisers. This brings to nine the number of members of the nursing profession who are directly involved in contributing to the formulation of overall national policy on nursing. That demonstrates my firm commitment to ensuring that, within my Department, the profession has a real input into policy development.

Since I became Minister for Health and Children, a particular priority for me has been the greater involvement of nurses and other health care professionals in the management of our health services. Last November, I launched the clinicians in management initiative and provided £2.5 million to get it up and running. This initiative is all about the better running of hospitals and other health care institutions through the participation of clinicians in the decision making process. This involves devolution of responsibility, a process of empowerment for front line staff and an openness to change. For nurses, it means getting rid of the traditional hierarchies and giving them more power in decision making in their own wards and units.

Clinicians in management is an initiative that involves nurses of all grades. My Department and I stand ready to work with nurses in moving this initiative forward and providing nurses with empowerment across a range of hospital and community settings.

Ironic as it may seem in the situation in which we now find ourselves, my Department is involved in a joint partnership initiative with the INO in relation to a set of training programmes for nurse managers. These programmes were developed in consultation with the Office for Health Management, the agency with lead responsibility for facilitating management development in the health services. They were introduced to address issues raised in the interim report of the commission, which identified a need for a much greater investment in management training and development to prepare nurses and midwives for positions of authority and leadership within the health care system. Last year, I provided funding of £100,000 for these programmes and I have made available a similar amount this year.

The objectives of these management development programmes include developing the capacity of nurse managers to lead and manage change and to formulate and implement action plans for the improvement of their own skills and those of their staff. The feedback from nurses who have participated in the programmes is extremely positive and clearly indicates that the objectives are being achieved. In view of the success of the first round pilot initiatives, my Department, the INO and the Office for Health Management have been engaged in discussions on the next round of developments under the partnership. I am committed to providing further funding to facilitate the expansion of these types of programmes, the importance of which is recognised by all the key players.

One of the first tasks my Department undertook following the publication of the Commission on Nursing report was to arrange for responsibility for the overall management of the nursing applications centre to be transferred to An Bord Altranais. This transfer was recommended by the commission and is fully in line with the enhanced role for An Bord Altranais in the area of pre-registration nursing advocated by the commission.

I provided funding of almost £400,000 to An Bord Altranais and to various schools of nursing around the country for national and local campaigns to promote nursing as a career. I also provided the necessary resources for additional training places in both general and psychiatric nursing.

I am pleased to report that there has been a highly successful outcome to this year's nursing student competitions. A total of 1,221 training places were filled – 821 in general nursing, 245 in psychiatric nursing and 156 in mental handicap nursing. This is the largest intake of nursing students for several years. I understand from An Bord Altranais that the intakes for psychiatric and mental handicap nursing are records for those nursing streams.

I am in the process of finalising arrangements for the establishment of a national council for professional development of nursing and midwifery. This new body is a necessary prerequisite to create clinical nurse specialist and advanced nurse practitioner posts, as recommended by the Commission on Nursing.

The importance of this development to nurses, particularly staff nurses, cannot be overemphasised. It will provide them with a new clinical career pathway that does not currently exist, a pathway that will allow them to progress up the promotional ladder without having to leave the patient's bedside. Several hundred new clinical nurse specialist and midwife specialist posts will come on stream. These will be promotional posts at ward sister level and staff nurses and midwives with extensive clinical experience, currently in practice, will be eligible for them. These new nurse specialists will have a maximum salary of £27,522 per year, on foot of the latest Labour Court finding.

I hope the House will accept that considerable progress has been made in implementing the central recommendations of the Commission on Nursing. This has been done against a background of ongoing industrial relations difficulties since the commission's report was published, in which the three pay related recommendations have over shadowed everything else. I have been seeking, unsuccessfully, to engage the nursing unions in a partnership approach to the phased implementation of all the recommendations of the Commission on Nursing. The commission has set out a comprehensive agenda to develop the role of nurses and midwives within the health services. I fervently wish that the moves currently under way to find a process to address nursing issues within the parameters of social partnership will be successful, and that this will allow me and the Nursing Alliance to concentrate our energies, jointly and constructively, on tackling the huge agenda for change set out by the commission. In the final analysis, the commission's report is all about developing the role of nurses and giving concrete expression to the recognition of that role.

In implementing the commission's recommendations – and I hope this will soon be possible – I am anxious to involve the nursing unions in identifying the priority areas where action is required and agreeing strategies for dealing with them. We accept that all of the commission's recommendations cannot be implemented in a single step and that some will, of necessity, take longer than others to implement. That is not to say, however, that we cannot agree a structured programme for the implementation of the report over a period.

While the situation is being managed, the Government is continuing to monitor the effects of the strike on patient care. The Government is anxious that a process be found as speedily as possible to deal with the issues raised by nurses, in a way that is consistent with existing social partnership agreements and that would facilitate the maintenance of social partnerships into the future. That is not an easy task. The Government has welcomed the willingness of the Nursing Alliance to work to achieve this.

The Government has asked the relevant Departments and health service employers to explore urgently the possibilities in this regard, so that an early resolution to this dispute may be found. The general purposes committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions is being met by Government representatives this evening. I understand that ICTU is hoping to facilitate a process which would help to resolve the dispute. This task, as I have emphasised, is not easy. Talks are ongoing, but very little progress has been made to date.

However, I assure the House that we will do all in our power to bring the dispute to an end as quickly as possible, emphasising all the time that it must be within the parameters of social partnership. Once a process is devised with the agreement of both sides, that end result would be in the interests of all our people.

I compliment the Minister on his speech, which was rich in detail and indicated some of the complexities of this issue. This will not be an easy issue to resolve. The Minister has made an honest effort to resolve it and it is dishonest not to recognise that. Members on both sides will agree this dispute should not have happened. However, how it could have been stopped is a different issue.

What we are seeing in this dispute is not just a concern about wages – the normal issues of industrial relations – but frustration, which has built up in a profession over the years. This frustration has not been addressed by any Administration. Nurses have, undoubtedly, been taken for granted. They have at this stage, at least, a Minister who is willing to listen to their concerns.

The Minister has put forward here tonight a variety of innovations in nursing, which are revolutionary. A proper career structure is, at last, beginning to emerge in a profession which has not had one to date. Nurses with whom I have discussed this issue say they have been taken for granted for far too long and have not been listened to, which is undoubtedly true. They point out that there have been remarkable changes in the profession and in technology over the years. Nursing education skills have grown dramatically. They point out that where other professions – for example, teachers – have received recognition for years for additional qualifications, they have achieved none. That is changing, and the Minister indicated tonight where he is making changes. All the arguments put forward by the Nursing Alliance with regard to the history of neglect are absolutely true. Moreover, the reason we are having a dispute at this time is that we have not ever taken their case seriously.

The Government, for its part, faces a major dilemma. It would be dishonest of any Member to suggest that the solution of this problem presents anything other than a dilemma. It is not possible for the Minister to resolve all the problems in nursing in one fell swoop. The Government has conceded very considerable progress in its response to the Commission on Nursing and to the Labour Court findings. In fact, as someone who spent some time as a trade unionist in the public service, I would have been very happy, when I was in the post office workers' union, the clerical officers' union or the executive officers' union, to be able to bring back to the members in my branch any of the concessions achieved by the Alliance over the past period.

It is worth putting again on the record what has been achieved. Since 1997, an overall increase of 23 per cent has been agreed in nurses' pay, in general. In addition, £88 per week has been agreed on top of the staff nurse salary scale. An additional £144 per week has been agreed in the maximum for ward sisters. An additional increase in annual allowances of three to four times the general rate throughout the public service has been agreed. That is progress, by any standard, and it is a remarkable degree of progress for a union which was, until recently, not regarded as militant.

The trouble for the Government is that any further concessions in this area are bound to cause major difficulties. Within the public service, pay relativity is, as we all know, regarded as absolutely sacrosanct. There can be doubt that if the Government was seen to surrender to pressure in this or any other dispute, the knock-on effect would be dramatic. The peace, tranquillity and progress which we have enjoyed in industrial relations in recent decades would be threatened.

A degree of cynicism was evident in the speech proposing this motion. It was asked why the Minister was not prepared previously to do what he is doing now. The Minister has given a very interesting, fair and honest explanation of what has happened. There has been considerable change in the past 72 hours on this issue. The Minister has been sending out indications for some time that he has been looking for evidence that the alliance is conscious of the difficulties faced by Government in resolving the issue. This motion, which was mischievously tabled for this evening, is not helpful in that regard.

On Saturday evening, a spokesperson for the INO gave, on radio, the first clear indication that there was a consciousness of the predicament, that the difficulties were understood, that the Government's predicament was fully appreciated by the INO and that the INO and the other unions in the alliance were prepared to try to put forward constructive steps to deal with those issues. The unions involved must be complimented on taking that first step.

On Sunday, the INO press statement, as the Minister indicated, gave a further and clearer indication that there was an understanding and a willingness to move in the particular direction which the Minister has been indicating for some time. Within hours, the Minister's response was positive. He issued his own statement saying that if the alliance was genuine in its desire to identify a process, that he would work on it.

As the Minister has said, we are in uncharted waters. It is very important how we progress this issue to finality, not just from the point of view of nursing and patient care, but from the point of view of industrial peace and progress over the next few years. The Minister has made an honest start. The unions have met the Minister half way. There is now the possibility for progress to address not just the outstanding pay issues, which are significant in themselves, but to make real progress for nursing on the remaining 197 issues for the commission. The Minister has said here tonight – and we have no reason not to believe him – that he is anxious to make progress on those issues. He has made more progress in the past two years in resolving the many outstanding issues in nursing than any previous Minister. He should be given the time and space to resolve the issue.

I understand Deputy Shatter is sharing his time with Deputies Deenihan, Sargent, Neville and Stanton.

The unprecedented sight of nurses picketing their hospitals, nursing homes and health centres is an eloquent and tragic testimony to the scandalous failure of the Minister for Health and Children to properly manage our health service. It is clear that, when an overwhelming majority of nurses rejected the Labour Court recommendations a month ago, the Government decided as a tactic not to engage in talks and constructive dialogue with the Nursing Alliance but instead to drive nurses into taking strike action. At a time when the Government refused to enter into dialogue, insensitive and provocative comments by the Ministers for Health and Children and Finance guaranteed an overwhelming vote by nurses in favour of strike action. Talk of nurses as claim jumpers and of their smashing or destroying social partnership drove more nurses to vote in favour of strike action than voted to reject the Labour Court recommendations.

The concept of social partnership has been used in recent days by the Minister as a weapon to target nurses rather than as a means to find a mechanism to resolve the dispute which has arisen. From the time the strike ballot commenced, instead of trying to resolve the crisis with which we are now confronted, the Government arranged to spend in the region of £250,000 on slick public relations and an advertising campaign with the Orwellian purpose of portraying nurses as public enemies. This politically inspired campaign was up and running and newspaper space was reserved by the weekend, well before the Minister agreed on Sunday evening to an 11th hour meeting.

Obviously all Members on all sides of the House hope that the meeting which took place yesterday is the first step towards resolving a dispute which should never have happened. If the Minister engaged in such dialogue some weeks ago and also involved the social partners, we would not see nurses taking strike action as they did today. The good working meeting, as the Minister referred to it, which took place yesterday should have been held at least three to three and a half weeks ago. The process now being sought to find a solution could have been devised at least two to three weeks ago and real dialogue undertaken to avoid today's strike.

I am concerned that the talks appear to be talks about talks. The experience of the Northern Ireland conflict over the past two decades has taught us all on this island the importance of dialogue in dispute resolution. It has also taught us that substantial and unnecessary delays can occur in addressing issues of great public importance when groups engage in preliminary skirmishes involving discussions about preconditions and procedural issues. It is not in the public interest that the dialogue which commenced yesterday gets bogged down in preconditions and procedural issues and the discussion of the very real problems which need to be addressed is indefinitely postponed.

There is a duty on Government to ensure a properly functioning health service. Thousands of people across the State should today be in hospital for a variety of different crucial surgical procedures and other treatments. While there are contingency plans in place, it is impossible to know how the postponement of long-awaited surgery or medical consultations will ultimately affect the health and life of those whose surgery or consultations have been indefinitely postponed. There is a genuine concern that, regardless of the cover provided by nurses in our hospitals during the strike period and of assurances given by the nursing unions and the Minister for Health and Children, lives will be lost as a consequence of this strike and the health of many will be permanently impaired as a consequence of delayed access to medical care and treatment.

Many operations which should have taken place last week were postponed as a result of the threatened strike. As a result of the strike, operations arranged for this week and next week also have been postponed. The legacy of the Minister's failure to engage in constructive dialogue at the beginning of the month is a further escalation of the waiting list crisis. We are confronted, at a time of unprecedented economic prosperity, with the appalling prospect of 40,000 people on our inpatient waiting lists by the end of the year.

The handling of the nurses dispute by the Government has been nothing short of an industrial relations disaster. By deciding to abandon dialogue and indulge in provocative comments, the Ministers for Finance and Health and Children have contributed to one of the greatest potential health care disasters in the history of the State. The Minister was responsible for the first and one of the largest strikes in the country by nurses. It is obvious that dialogue with the nursing unions should have commenced weeks ago and I am surprised the Taoiseach, with his acknowledged skills of negotiation and conciliation, adopted a contrary approach on this occasion. He reneged when the country really needed his skills of negotiation and he will live to regret it.

It is unfortunate the talks which took place yesterday between the Minister and the nurses did not take place two weeks ago. I noticed a change of mood in his speech this evening. It was much more conciliatory than it was in the past two weeks. If the recent talks had taken place two weeks ago, I doubt if the nurses would be on the picket lines today. That is unfortunate. A settlement will eventually have to be reached. There will have to be give on both sides. This tragedy is something on which there will have to be negotiations and a solution. Why wait until the last hour to do it and why drag it out over the coming weeks? There should be all-night discussions over this weekend and every effort should be made to solve the problem as soon as possible.

It is wrong that the Government has turned the nursing issue into a battleground and has chosen it to more or less draw a line in the sand for future negotiations. The nursing profession and the nursing issue were the wrong subjects on which to decide to lay down a marker for future negotiations under the next round of pay talks. It was very unfortunate to decide on this issue as the one where the marker would be laid down. The nurses were left with no hope except to resort to strike action. As Gene Kerrigan said in last week's Sunday Independent, the strategy of the Government was obviously to demoralise, defeat and shatter the morale of the nurses.

There was also a major publicity campaign to shift public opinion against the nurses, but it did not work. Public opinion is on the side of the nurses. I discovered that today from what I saw at the picket line in Tralee where people stopped their cars to tell nurses that they understood their problems, that they should be treated differently and that they are a special case.

I thought some cases were being catered for but I know of two children who are both bone marrow transplant patients in the high dependency unit of one of the hospitals in Dublin. Their parents have devoted their lives to obtain transplants for them and they are now very concerned about the future health of their children. This is an example of what I have heard. There will be many cases like this if something is not done immediately. I appeal to the Minister as a pragmatist to do everything he can over the weekend and hold all-night discussions if necessary to try to find a resolution of this problem.

Táim fíor-bhuíoch do mo chomhleacaithe i bhFine Gael as ucht a gcuid ama a roinnt liom. Is mian leis an gComhaontas Glas tacú leis an rún seo ag Páirtí an Lucht Oibre chun an milleán a chur ar an Aire Sláinte agus Leanaí de bharr go bhfuil aighneas na n-altraí ag dul in olcas.

An cheist atá curtha ag a lán daoine ná cén fáth nár labhair sé mar seo roimhe seo. Nach léir go mbíonn ar altraí bheith ag obair ar feath blianta fada sula toileann siad pá ar an ráta uachtarach? Is cuma cé mhéad traenála a dhéanann altra, ní bhíonn ardú pá in ann dóibh. Tuigimid cé chomh tábhachtach atá páirtnéireacht sóisialta sa ghéilleagar, ach tuigeann gach duine cás na n-altraí chomh maith. Cén fáth mar sin nár chuir an tAire ceist ar na grúpaí eile sa Phairtnéireacht Sóisialta dcén fáth ar aontaigh siad gur ghrúpa speisialta le cás faoi leith iad na h-altraí? Dá gcuirfí an cheist seo agus dá bhfaighfí freagra deimhneach bheadh saoirse ag an Aire tairiscint a thairiscint do na h-altraí. Ní h-amháin go bhfuil an tAire leisciúil san aighneas seo ach creidim go bhfuil seisean agus an Rialtas dúr chomh maith. Ar láimh amháin tá ag éirí le comhlachtaí agus le lucht gnó pá agus brabús a mhéadú as cuimse agus cé go bhfuil bancanna lán agus brabús mór acu go léir níl náire ar lucht an tsaibhris nó ar an Rialtas os comhair na n-altraí atá ag obair níos crua ná riamh de bharr easpa altraí. Thairis sin meallann an rannóg phríobháideach altraí as an rannóg phoiblí. Is cuma cad a deir an tAire anseo anocht tá ganntanas altraí sa chóras sláinte. Ní hamháin sin ach níl suim a thuilleadh ag daoine óga san altracht de bharr an gheilleagair.

Mar a dúirt Anthony Clare san Sunday Independent: Thirty years ago when [he] came into medicine, the hospitals were bulging with nursing nuns who worked for nothing and lay nurses who worked for next to nothing. Thirty years ago, many young men and women entered nursing because it was an inspiring vocation, promised an interesting life and, to be blunt, because there was little else on offer. Today, young men and women can choose from a cornucopia of occupational possibilities, each interesting in their own way and all paying as much and more than nursing while carrying much less responsibility and risk.

Tá níos mó airgid ná riamh ag an Rialtas seo. Tá scileanna idirghábhála ag an Taoiseach seo ach tá freagracht ag an Aire seo as an aighneas. Ach cad a chloisimid ón Aire anocht – services operating relatively well, significant problems have not occurred, bed levels reported to be adequate. Fógraíonn sé seo nach bhfuil aon dul as ag altraí ach aighneas níos mó a chothú. An é seo atá ag testáil ón Aire?

Mar a dúíirt an Dr. Anthony Clare, is de thoradh an mhargaidh atá aighneas mar seo ar siúl. Ní bheidh aon dul as ag an Rialtas ach an cás a leigheas mar rannóg faoi leith. Is rannóg faoi leith é mar go mbuaileann an t-aighneas seo na daoine is laige, is boichte, is óige agus is aosta sa tír. Creidim go nglacfaidh rannóga eile sa Pháirtnéaracht Sóisialta go bhfuil cás faoi leith ag altraí agus mo náire ar an Aire Sláinte agus Leanaí gan an tuiscint chéanna a léiriú agus gníomhú go luath dá réir. Tá tacaíocht an Chomhaontais Ghlais ag altraí na tíre seo.

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate. It is unfortunate that, in spite of our pleas last week, the strike has gone ahead and the Government has seen fit to allow it to develop to this stage. It is unfortunate that the initiatives which are beginning to take place now did not take place some weeks ago. Instead of negotiating while people were working, negotiations must now take place when services have been withdrawn.

The Minister stated that services are being upheld throughout the country but the media reports that, within the first four hours of the strike, 1,000 operations were cancelled across the country and, by the end of today, more than 7,000 out-patient appointments will have been cancelled. That is a total of 8,000 people who are immediately affected by the strike. Family doctors are bracing themselves for a 40 per cent increase in their workload and many plan to extend their surgery hours to cope with the huge demand. That is to be welcomed.

We must pay heed to The Irish Cancer Society which expressed serious concern today that new cancer patients – 50 new cases per day – will not receive any treatment at all and that, in some hospitals, chemotherapy and radiotherapy departments have shut down. The Blood Transfusion Service Board has also expressed concern about the situation. It is worried about the vital blood supplies which could be hit by the nurses' picketing of their headquarters. A specialist clinic which collects blood platelets for cancer patients will also close for the duration of the strike. It is not right to say that the difficulties and delays which have occurred today are not deeply affecting people.

I did not say that. I reported factually to the House and would have been criticised had I not done so.

We have heard the Minister and the Government speak about the issue of relativity throughout this debate. I appreciate it is a problem which must be dealt with. Nurses' work has changed dramatically over the past ten years. There is now a requirement for a different level of skills and knowledge and a different approach by nurses, as a result of which their status has changed. Medical technology has changed dramatically over the past 15 years and nurses have had to deal with that. I did not hear either the Government or the Minister saying that nurses do not deserve a pay increase. Nobody has made the case that they should not receive a pay increase, rather that it would create relativity problems. That must be dealt with in the public service as it has been in the private sector.

If nurses are entitled to an increase in pay because of their increased skill levels and their changed situation, it must be recognised and nurses must be adequately remunerated for that. It is not acceptable to say that their pay is relative to that of firemen or prison officers. Nurses must be paid according to their value, skills and knowledge. Nurses are being told that they cannot be paid an increase because others might also claim increases.

We must take note of the motion which asks this Dáil to censure the Minister for Health and Children for his failure to take appropriate action. The Minister's action or lack of action has led to this strike. He has been belligerent and aggressive and has treated nurses in a dismissive fashion over many weeks and months.

When? Be specific.

The Minister should shut up and listen. He has not spoken to the nurses properly. If this House is to have any standing in future, it must censure the Minister.

The Deputy should be specific. He is very easily rattled.

The Minister keeps interrupting me although he was not interrupted. That shows a certain amount of ignorance on his part. We note the belated intervention at this point. I know many nurses who do not want to be on strike. The Minister will go down in history as the Minister who presided over the first national nurses' strike. We came close to it many times but it did not happen until now. Why? This Minister has failed. His action up until this belated intervention has been belligerent.

Be specific.

This Dáil is asking the Minister to inform the Health Services Employers Agency to enter into negotiations to stop the strike. The Minister read out a report tonight which was like a report from a war zone. People die in war zones and that is what will happen unless this strike is stopped. The only person who can stop it is the Minister by being realistic and talking to the nurses until a solution is arrived at. In Northern Ireland, the parties spoke to each other for hours on end and produced the Good Friday Agreement. This situation is a matter of life and death and I urge the Minister to take his hand out of the fire and sit around the table until this dispute is resolved. It will have to be resolved at some stage.

Ten minutes remain in this slot for tomorrow evening.

Debate adjourned.
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