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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 1 Feb 2000

Vol. 513 No. 3

Priority Questions. - Departmental Staff.

Enda Kenny

Question:

71 Mr. Kenny asked the Minister for Arts, Heritage, Gaeltacht and the Islands the number of archaeologists employed on a full-time basis by her Department; the number of part-time archaeologists employed on a contract basis; the number of planning applications referred to Dúchas for observations in 1999; the number dealt with; if she has satisfied herself that an efficient service can be given by Dúchas in this regard in view of the importance of proper planning and the possibility of serious destruction in its absence; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [2538/00]

The Minister, Deputy de Valera, is ill, so I am answering questions on her behalf. Thirteen professional archaeologists are assigned to the archaeological service of the Department and 17 archaeologists are engaged on a contract basis. None of these archaeologists is employed on a part-time basis. The Department also employs a small number of archaeologists on a seasonal basis as the need arises and further survey work is carried out from time to time by certain universities.

In 1999, Dúchas dealt with 7,500 cases concerning planning and development issues where there were archaeological implications. This figure compares to just over 1,000 cases in 1992. This seven-fold increase is largely attributable to the upsurge in construction activity in the intervening period. In the past Dúchas managed this increased workload by a combination of employing additional archaeologists on a contract basis as well as the redeployment of staff from other areas of operation within the archaeological service. This placed additional strains on the resources at the Minister's disposal but she is satisfied that within the resources available an efficient and professional service has been maintained for all customers. In this regard, I point to the many archaeological sites which have been safeguarded and preserved over recent years through the intervention of the Department in the planning and development process. I also point to the co-operation and support we received from planning authorities and developers in recognising the need for the protection of the archaeological heritage as well as the general support from the public for the work carried out by the Department in this area.

Safeguarding the archaeological heritage within the planning and development process is vitally important. However, it is too simplistic to equate success in this area with employing more archaeologists in the Department.

Additional information.

Other factors such as creating public awareness of the heritage, access to information and localising the expertise available are also important ingredients. Great strides have been made by the Department is the past two decades, most notably through the work involved in presenting the premier heritage sites through the establishment of the record of monuments and places for the entire country, which gives immediate protection to 120,000 archaeological sites and monuments. However, more can be done.

The Minister would like to see local authorities taking more of an interest in the management of their local heritage. Local authorities already possess a wide range of expertise within existing staff but, in the same way as they have planners to look after planning and engineers to look after roads, drainage, water services and so on, there is much to commend having archaeologists available to look after their archaeology. Notwithstanding the professional service provided centrally by the Department, there is potential to provide the service more effectively and efficiently by devolving the protection of archaeological sites within the planning process to planning authorities. Such a development would be consistent with the recently introduced procedures for the protection of the post-medieval architectural heritage. These procedures give primary responsibility for the management and protection of buildings contained in the record of protected structures to local authorities.

A wider role for local authorities in the archaeological heritage should be further explored and the Minister intends to consider such a development in the context of the national heritage plan which she will publish later this year.

I am sorry to hear that the Minister is ill and I wish her a speedy recovery. I congratulate the Minister of State on the truth and candour of his remarks on these matters which are reported in today's Irish Independent.

Does the Minister of State agree that the Minister now presides over an absolute mess in so far as Dúchas is concerned? Is Dúchas in breach of the 1996 legislation? Is the Minister of State aware that on 17 January 2000, Dúchas wrote to the Minister indicating that it will not process excavation licences for six to eight weeks and that it will not have any further input into planning from 1 March 2000? This development means that valuable archaeological resources are, potentially, being decimated daily and there are delays in all kinds of construction projects involving buildings and roadways to the detriment of the development of the country.

The first issue raised by the Deputy is the subject of another question. Planning applications are being dealt with and the Deputy will be aware that there are statutory limits on the processing of planning applications. The Department dealt with 7,500 applications which is a huge increase on previous years. The workload is increasing due to the large number of infrastructural and other developments taking place. It is important that local authorities adopt a more hands-on approach. For example, it is important that more local authorities employ their own archaeologists so that they are in a position to make evaluations. It is very difficult to provide such services centrally given the significant growth in development. There are a number of solutions and acquiring their own local expertise, as some authorities have done, would be in line with the new thinking concerning local authorities. It is important that we do not delay projects and that the best archaeological advice is available at all times.

Is the Minister of State aware that in most cases the applicant has to pay for the archaeological excavation? Delaying licences for six to eight weeks will hold up construction and excavations. Does the Minister of State condone the destruction of very important archaeological sites?

The Minister of State referred to the strains being experienced by Dúchas. Given the number of planning applications and the serious delays which Dúchas has written about concerning excavation licences, is he satisfied that it can provide an efficient and professional service with the resources at its disposal?

There has been an unprecedented increase in activity which has coincided with an increased awareness of the importance of archaeological sites of which, thankfully, this country has many. It is not easy to deal with this increase and there has to be a range of responses. One of the most important responses has to be at local authority level. It will be vital for local authorities to employ their own experts for the development of a speedier process for dealing with these matters.

Dúchas should be abolished if that is the case. It has no role.

Dúchas has many roles.

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