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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 22 Mar 2001

Vol. 533 No. 2

Adjournment Debate Matters. - Situation in Iraq: Statements.

The situation in Iraq, especially the enormous hardships faced by its people, is of major concern to the Government. I welcome the exchange of views on Iraq which took place in the Seanad on 8 March and I am pleased to be able to take up the issue again in this House. A number of Deputies tabled questions on Iraq for reply today which were not taken due to the decision to hold this debate. I intend to address the substance of those questions in this statement.

There are two separate but closely related issues which lie at the heart of the debate on Iraq. There is the urgent issue of the humanitarian crisis there and the terrible suffering of its people, as witnessed at first hand by members of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs during their visit last December. There is also the question of the approach the international community has taken over the past decade to address the proven threat to international peace and security posed by the Iraqi regime following its aggression against its neighbours, especially Kuwait. This approach is set out in the decisions of the UN Security Council which detail the commitments required of Iraq and also established the sanctions regime as a response to Iraq's failure to meet those commitments.

As a member of the UN Security Council, Ireland's approach to the situation in Iraq is informed by both these issues. We want to see an end as soon as possible to the suffering of the Iraqi people and we wish to see the government of Iraq co-operating fully with the United Nations. The international community remains deeply concerned at the threat which Iraq's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction pose to its population, to regional stability and international arms control efforts. Iraq has said that it is no longer pursuing such weapons programmes and that it has nothing to hide. The international community has asked Iraq to commit itself to independent UN verification to show that this is the case. If Iraq is telling the truth, then the right step would be for it to agree to international arms inspections on the basis of the decisions of the Security Council.

However, until such inspections take place, the jury must remain out on the question of whether Iraq maintains or seeks the capacity to build and use weapons of mass destruction. If recent media reporting that Iraq carried out a controlled nuclear explosion were to be verified, it would give rise to serious concern. The International Atomic Energy Agency is responsible for inspections in Iraq under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and under special mandate from the UN Security Council. In 1991 the IAEA uncovered evidence of clandestine uranium enrichment and nuclear weapons programmes in Iraq. However, it is not in a position to verify whether any nuclear device was tested. IAEA activities relevant to UN Security Council resolutions have been suspended as a result of a lack of co-operation on the part of Iraq which has not complied with the semi-annual reporting requirements of the IAEA's verification and monitoring plan.

The reason the sanctions regime is in place is because of the failure of the Iraqi Government to co-operate with the UN disarmament supervisory commission. Security Council Resolution 1284 provides for the suspension of sanctions in return for Iraqi co-operation. Ten years on, in the light of the level of human suffering in Iraq, it is valid to examine whether the current economic sanctions regime is effective or has become counterproductive. Sanctions are maintained as a measure to prevent the Iraqi regime from gaining access to weapons and other military hardware and to encourage Iraq to co-operate with the United Nations. They were never intended to cause unacceptable hardship or suffering to the ordinary people of Iraq. They were intended as a measure to help protect the Iraqi people and their neighbours from a criminal regime.

Similarly, the no-fly zones in Iraq were established originally to protect the vulnerable Kurdish populations in the north of the country and the Marsh Arab population in the south from attacks by the forces of Saddam Hussein. Those populations remain vulnerable to threats of force from the Iraqi regime. The issue of the legality in international law of the no-fly zones and the recent military action in Iraq by the United States and Britain in support of these zones needs to take due account of this reality. There is, unfortunately, no agreed view in the Security Council on the issue. The United States and Britain argue that the establishment of the no-fly zone arrangement is legally justified on the basis of the provisions of a series of UN Security Council Resolutions 678, 686, 687 and 688. Other members of the Security Council contest this interpretation. On the basis of the legal advice available to my Department and given that none of the Security Council resolutions concerned unambiguously authorises the no-fly zone arrangement, it appears that no definitive legal interpretation is possible.

Similarly, the basis or otherwise in international law for the recent attacks by the United States and Britain on Iraqi military installations carried out in the patrol of the no-fly zones is also unclear. What is important, however, is that the Security Council does not view these particular legal issues in isolation. A comprehensive, constructive and forward-looking examination is required, which seeks to solve the various issues in the broad context of the entire approach of the Security Council and the international community towards Iraq.

Let me express, clearly, the Government's position. We recognise that the decisions of the Security Council are binding in international law and must be respected by all members of the international community. We also recognise, however, that those decisions are not set in stone and should be reviewed when the original circumstances change or where there is compelling evidence that the measures concerned are not effective. We accept the reality that progress on the issue can only be made where there is agreement by all five permanent members of the Security Council. We are actively involved in efforts to facilitate such an agreement on an urgent re-examination of the question of sanctions taking into account their humanitarian dimension.

We want that re-examination to result in a comprehensive and early solution which would impact as little as possible on the lives of Iraq's civilian population. The economic and development needs of the Iraqi people do not have to be put on hold pending full compliance by Iraq with the Security Council resolutions. We want to see a system in place which would allow these needs to be fully met within the constraints required to ensure Iraq does not further develop weapons of mass destruction or threaten its neighbours. We recognise, however, that, as long as sanctions remain in place, there is no alternative to the oil for food programme in providing for the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people. We support the analysis and recommendations of the UN Secretary General on the range of constraints and difficulties which must be overcome to ensure the effective implementation of the programme.

First and foremost, Iraq must live up to its responsibilities to fully utilise the funds available and co-operate in ensuring the necessary assistance reaches those most in need. Additionally, the members of the Iraq Sanctions Committee must work to improve the existing fast-track mechanisms and reduce to a minimum, as soon as possible, the unacceptable number of applications on hold. The green list established for automatically approved goods should be expanded to include all items except those with a clear military application.

We support the continuing discussions between the UN Secretary General and the Government of Iraq and hope these will restart a process of dialogue and co-operation. These positions and concerns of the Government have been expressed at the Security Council and are well understood and respected by all the parties concerned. Gaining support for a comprehensive re-evaluation of sanctions was one of the main objectives of my recent discussions with permanent members of the Security Council. In the capitals which I visited, including Washington, Moscow and Paris, and also my visit to the United Nations in New York, there was a common recognition of the importance of such an exercise. In putting forward Ireland's position at first hand I was able to inform positively the policy reviews under way in these key capitals.

From the outcome of my meetings there is an emerging view, including on the part of the new US Administration, in favour of examining possible new approaches to the continuation and implementation of sanctions. I am hopeful that this will include the approach favoured by Ireland. I anxiously await the outcome of the policy reviews in Washington and elsewhere. I have instructed Ireland's Security Council delegation to play an active and constructive role in bringing this issue forward in New York and to work in the Security Council and the sanctions committee to ensure progress is made in taking the necessary additional measures to eliminate the humanitarian cost of the sanctions.

The Government will continue to provide substantial assistance for the people of Iraq. In addition to our regular contributions to the UN funds and programmes operating in the country, Ireland has provided a total of 596,000 in bilateral humanitarian assistance during 1999 and 2000. Most recently the Government provided £100,000 from Ireland Aid to the International Committee of the Red Cross for the reconstruction and rehabilitation of health, water and sanitation facilities. Since 1997 the European Community Humanitarian Office has disbursed over £21 million in assistance to Iraq focusing on the most vulnerable and basic needs, in particular those of malnourished children. The ECHO is due to engage in a major fact finding and needs assessment mission to Iraq in April. With our UN and EU partners and in conjunction with the Iraqi authorities, the Government will continue to strongly support these and other practical measures to ensure the urgent delivery of humanitarian assistance to children and other vulnerable sectors of the population.

UN economic sanctions, whether applied against Iraq or any other state, should interfere minimally with the everyday lives of the general population. They should not interfere at all with the importation of goods needed for humanitarian and essential civilian use. Sanctions should focus on the regime, not the people. They should be applied, wherever possible, only to those items where there is a real risk of military or similar misuse.

The Government wants to see the circumstances necessary for the lifting of the sanctions against Iraq altogether. All this requires is that the Government of Iraq meet its commitments and demonstrate, with concrete evidence, its peaceful intentions, especially with regard to its neighbours. I look forward to that day of reconciliation between Iraq and the international community. More immediately, I look forward to hearing the views and concerns of other Deputies on this complex and tragic issue. I welcome the close interest and concern which the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs is continuing to give to the situation in Iraq. The recommendation which Deputy O'Malley, as chairman of the committee, forwarded to me last week is helpful and I will reply to it shortly.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Owen.

My concern is that the Government has focused on Utopian solutions as highlighted by the Minister's concluding remarks. He said:

The Government wants to see the circumstances necessary for the lifting of the sanctions against Iraq altogether. All this requires is that the Government of Iraq meet its commitments and demonstrate, with concrete evidence, its peaceful intentions, especially with regard to its neighbours.

My concern is that if Ireland's policy is based on such an expectation, it will be in vain. One of the great enemies of the Iraqi people is the Iraqi regime and any expectation that the regime will change for the good of its people will not be realised. That is the fundamental flaw in the approach adopted by the Minister, although I agree with much of what he said.

What we must do is to differentiate clearly between measures affecting the people of Iraq and those affecting the regime. The monstrous regime of Saddam Hussein is the greatest enemy of the Iraqi people. There has to be a strategy directed towards finding an international answer to the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people and relieving their suffering. I am sure that the blame for the suffering of the Iraqi people is shared between the UN Security Council and the Iraqi regime. Ireland should have no part in any continuation of the nightmare from which the Iraqi people are suffering.

We must at the same time maintain and support the maintenance of as much pressure as possible on the regime of Saddam Hussein to restrict his military capacity and prevent him acquiring weapons of mass destruction. This strat egy must involve the lifting of the general sanctions. The food for oil programme is a disaster. It was introduced as a temporary measure to relieve the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people. It has not worked because of the failure and delays at UN level and because of a deliberate strategy on the part of the Iraqi regime. In my view, the Iraqi regime is in the comfortable position that it wants the sanctions to continue. They suit it and this is clear from much of the evidence from the former UN official, Mr. Halliday, and others.

We must use our position to ensure that the humanitarian nightmare, during which up to one million lives have been lost, is ended. The sanctions continue to cause the loss of children's lives in particular and malnutrition. The death rate is up to 5,000 a month. As a civilised nation, Ireland cannot be associated with that.

We should be clear that we are prepared to support any reasonable measure to restrict the activities of Saddam Hussein and his regime. In my view, he is equivalent to Hitler. What he did to the Kurds in the north and the Shiahs in the south and what he continues to do to his people is monstrous. It is easy and politically correct to condemn the recent bombing. I am not in favour of bombing and I do not want military action if it can be avoided. All possible measures should be taken first, but I do not have a Pavlovian response in terms of condemning the British and Americans for the bombing. They should be required to justify their actions, but I do not engage, as others have done, in automatic criticism because of the unusual legal and other circumstances that apply. Many more people died in Iraq on the day of the bombing as a result of the actions of Saddam Hussein than the bombing.

I was disappointed by the Minister's speech. Given that he is a courageous man, I thought he would tell the House that he intended to call for the lifting of the sanctions rather than studies about such a move. I hoped he would use his new position on the Security Council to be the voice that stimulated other countries to call for the immediate lifting of the sanctions. It is not enough to say that Ireland is trying to get the climate right so a point can be reached where the lifting of the sanctions can be discussed.

There is an increasing ground swell of support internationally for action from such diverse individuals as Irishman Denis Halliday and Hans Von Sponeck, who were the co-ordinators for humanitarian assistance in Iraq, Mr. Richard Butler and Scott Ritter, who worked with UNSCOM on the inspection of weapons, Kofi Annan, the head of the UN, the representative of the Vatican who visited Iraq and groups such as Caritas Europa, which comprised a cross-party group, and the delegation from this Parliament to Iraq. The universal view is that the sanctions are doing nothing to attack Saddam Hussein, but they are killing the people of Iraq.

It is estimated that 500,000 children have died during the 11 years of sanctions. Between 3,000 and 5,000 infants die each month as a result of the sanctions. The 1999 UNICEF report stated that in marked contrast to the prevailing situation prior to the events of 1991, the infant mortality rates in Iraq today are among the highest in the world. Low infant birth weights affect at least 23% of all births and chronic malnutrition affects every fourth child under the age of five years. Only 41% of the population has regular access to clean water and 83% of all schools need substantial repairs. The ICRC stated that the Iraqi health care system is today in a decrepit state while the UNDP calculates it would take $7 billion to rehabilitate the power sector. These figures relate to a country about which, in 1991, a UN report stated that in the 1980s it was reaching standards of health care that were equivalent to the developed world. That is how far back the country and its people have fallen in the 11 years the sanctions have been in place.

I recognise that the sanctions were imposed to try to get at Saddam Hussein, but they are not working and it is time to accept that they are contrary to the spirit of the UN Charter. Ireland should take a lead on this matter. It took a lead in relation to other international issues, such as East Timor, and it should do so on this matter. The Caritas report relates the pain people felt when they saw conditions in Iraq. The report states that several tiny babies were crammed together in one incubator and conditions on the wards were cramped, unhygienic and malodorous. The absence of the distinctive hospital smell or disinfectant is noticeable in Iraqi hospitals. Such products do not appear to be available there. Too many babies were sharing old and insanitary incubators and hospital equipment had damaged or missing plastic and Perspex parts.

As Deputy O'Keeffe said, the oil for food system is not working and too many projects are on hold. For example, chlorine to ensure clean water is not allowed into Iraq because it might be used for some other purpose. Garbage trucks and water pipes are not allowed into the country in case they fall into the wrong hands. We should wake up to what the sanctions are doing to the people of Iraq. I pay tribute to the people who have been courageous enough to publicly call for the ending of the sanctions. The principle and concept of sanctions must be re-examined. There is no proper administrative structure in place in the UN, such as the mechanism for peacekeeping, that follows the effect of sanctions. They may be a good weapon in some instances, but they have passed their usefulness and they are killing people in Iraq.

The Minister said he looked forward to hearing the views of Members, but I only have eight minutes in which to contribute and no other Deputy will have an opportunity to speak. It is time to stop dumping debates on foreign affairs and humanitarian issues into ten minute slots on Thursday afternoons. Five questions I wanted answered have been disallowed. This is a scandal and a disgrace. I do not blame the Minister, but I ask him to join us in seeking proper scheduling of foreign affairs discussions in the House so that Members will not be repeatedly and comprehensively insulted. I have made this point to my party's Whip.

All our notes.

The Minister's sad speech can be summed up in the sentence that until there is agreement among the five permanent members, nothing will be done. This is a sad and pathetic opening to our time on the Security Council. The French Foreign Minister, Hubert Vedrine, said on the tenth anniversary of the Gulf War that the sanctions were cruel because they punish exclusively the Iraqi people and the weakest among them. He said they are ineffective because they do not touch the regime which is not encouraged to co-operate and they are dangerous because they accentuate the disintegration of a society.

A pious statement earlier was the hope that, while the sanctions continue, they will affect those against whom they are directed. How often is it necessary to point out the number of children who are dying? I do not want to be accused of being a tool of propaganda for the Iraqi Government – apparently one can be so accused if one quotes the high figure of 7,500 children dying each month – but of the 16 agencies involved, the lowest figure quoted is 2,300 a month. I was in Iraq before Christmas and I also visited it ten years ago. There is no doubt that the destruction visited on the country has deeply affected its infrastructure. It would take $7 billion to restore the capacity for clean water there.

I asked a number of questions that were purported to be answered during the Minister's contribution but they were evaded. I explicitly asked if there was a legal capacity under Resolution 681 for a no-fly zone and bombing. We received a quasi-theological answer which, when it is deconstructed, says there is no legal basis. I do not have time to waste decoding the information, but no international jurist, writing in English, suggests there is a legal capacity under Resolution 681 that justifies a no-fly zone and a bombing campaign. It is a complete distortion of the spirit and letter of Resolution 681.

Regarding Resolution 661, we should stop describing the oil for food programme as a humanitarian programme. It was never such a programme. It is Iraqi money, some of which goes to the compensation fund and some to the UN expenses with the rest held in ESCU accounts. When we visited Iraq we saw machine ventilators which required tubes to work but which were not available. We also saw medicines that were out of date and tablet regimes that could not be run for the full course of a child's treatment. There were massive abuses in supply and blockages in relation to the allocation of contracts.

It is disgraceful that when everything is right in Iraq things will be put right. That argument has enabled us to hold an equally disgraceful attitude to the Cuban blockade. We hold a joint position with the EU which more or less holds that when the Cubans have changed their society to make it look like America they can be treated as ordinary fair members of the international community. We are doing the same with Iraq.

Twenty years ago I got very little support in this House when I criticised Saddam for his use of mustard gas supplied by West Germany to bomb Kurds. When people refer to what has happened to the Shias are they speaking of the $59 million expended by the US to encourage a revolt following which they were abandoned? I am aware of what happened but do not insult our intelligence by telling us that when everything is right in Iraq we could perhaps stop, in the name of the UN and in our name in this House, participating in the destruction of the lives of children? It is disgraceful to participate in the continuance of sanctions that uniquely impact on civilians.

Why did we canvass around the world for small nations to look to this alleged former colony on the basis that we would become a member of the UN Security Council and speak with a brave voice? It was said that on this issue, when the five permanent members were in agreement, we would take an initiative. If we wanted to take an initiative where is the advice to the Minister in putting UNMOVIC together again? From our discussions with Tariq Aziz it is clear that there are circumstances in which an observation group would be acceptable in Iraq. The previous observation group left in circumstances which showed some of the activities in which it was engaged.

There is also a clear record of what was achieved in the observation period. Where is our action in putting together an acceptable framework for the return of an observation group? Would that not be something positive? Would it not be nice to hear that we had obtained an explanation from Britain and the US as to why they oppose the provision of surgical thread, glycerine, parts for cars and vaccines for animals that have been provided to build up the herd? Our actions tip the cap to the two big powers.

Even on a Thursday afternoon in this House it is good to call for a re-emergence of the autonomy and integrity of our foreign affairs position. What are we free to do? If we were so gutless to never ask the difficult questions why did we wish to advertise our cowardice around the world by asking countries to put us on the UN Security Council, to get representation on sanctions committees, to regularly meet those on the other sanctions committees and to be able to bring home so little? It is an insult to the spiritually minded to call as a prayer the expression of hope that everything will come right in Iraq, that it will suspend its militarisation. We all hope that, as we all hope there will be peace in the world.

I hope we return to this topic and that we hear something better. I asked the Minister about a BBC2 television programme report of an atomic bomb which had been tested and exploded in 1989 in a named part of the Iraq, apparently without the notice of anybody who lived nearby. I asked him to verify if there was a basis to the report. He replied that in so far as the International Atomic Energy Commission could not visit Iraq it could not know. I am not that stupid. The commission frequently comments on situations that do not require its presence. I asked the Minister if inquiries had been made about the basis of this programme, but he did not answer. He referred to a media report. He should have identified it.

The sanctions are continuing. The Iraqis are holding a civilian population as hostage for what is directed against an administration. It is in breach of the Geneva Convention and in defiance of the UN Charter, and it is a disgrace for a member of the Security Council to justify what is taking place and to reproduce the empty, dishonest and untrue rhetoric of two members of the council, Britain and the US. I say that not as an enemy of the US. There are millions there who disagree with this militaristic action taken in their name.

On a point of order, Sir, why was I not allowed to participate in this debate? I attended the house to make a contribution but was excluded from doing so.

I appreciate that, Deputy, but you are aware that according to the order of the day statements on Iraq will conclude at 4.45 p.m. We were very short of time in this debate and I thank the Members for co-operating to ensure that nobody went over time. The Minister and the leaders of the two main Opposition parties have agreed to debate the issue on another occasion.

I hope so.

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