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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 13 Dec 2001

Vol. 546 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - Replies to Parliamentary Questions

(Carlow-Kilkenny): I dtosach ba mhaith liom mo bhuíochas a ghabháil as ucht na deise a thabhairt dom labhairt ar an ábhar seo. Tá brón orm nach bhfuil an tAire Oideachais i láthair cé go bhfuil Aire Stáit cairdiúil anseo chun freagra a thabhairt dom. The Leas-Cheann Comhairle used the phrase “inconsistency” with regard to the answers I received. I used the term “misleading”. The answers are consistent, but the information is misleading. I will explain the background.

Some weeks ago, the priest in Askea parish church started by preaching not from the Gospel, but about the frustration being experienced over a school that has leaking roofs, very bad windows, etc. He said that the roofs could not be repaired because permission to go ahead with the renovations had been deferred. He appealed to politicians in the church to do something about it. There must have been some present because there is no point preaching to absent friends. The following Tuesday, word came back through the local politician, who is a member of the Minister's party, that he had spoken to the Minister, who had rectified the problem, and all was well again.

Why did the priest do this, apart from frustration? He did it because, a few days previously, bad news had been received by the school from the Department that the work could not go ahead, but that there was some light at the end of the tunnel because they might get approval by the new year. I had already dealt with a school where this had happened and I was told that no decisions could be made until the budget. Everything was held off. I put down a question to the Minister, asking how many schools were in this situation, and I got a two line answer telling me that there was no school involved.

I then put down a question about Askea school, specifically asking when it was given permission to go ahead with the restoration work, when it was withdrawn, when it was approved again and why. I got an answer furnishing me with three facts: one, that they started looking for help in January 2001; two, that they were told to go to tender in October 2001; and three, "Following receipt of the tender report from the school's consultant architect, my Department issued a letter to the school authorities in November 2001 authorising them to accept the lowest tender for these works." About two weeks later, when the architect was happy, they got word to stop.

I used the word "withdrawn" in that question and I decided somebody might have been playing with words so I asked the same question again, this time saying that approval was deferred or postponed. I got an answer stating exactly the same three facts as in the previous answer, but there was not a word about when approval was deferred or postponed and when it was restored. When we put down parliamentary questions, we expect answers. The priest did not go mad, have nightmares and get up on the altar to talk about this deferral, nor did the principal think he heard the 'phone ringing in his office when a Department official told him the work could not go ahead.

I am telling the Minister of State in advance, in case she has the same gobbledegook in her answer, that she need not bother reading it to me because I intend pursuing the matter further. The Minister should be here. I told him today I was raising this issue and I regret that he is not here. If the Minister of State has an answer bordering on what I have in front of me, it will be a total waste of time. There was something rotten in the state of Denmark years ago. There is something rotten in the state of the Department now. We are not getting the answers we require. There is a totally different scene in Carlow. I do not accept the answers I receive. Christmas may interrupt my plans, but I assure the House that, after January, because I do not have the right of reply tonight, I will raise the issue again. If the answer of the Minister of State is the same as the one I have in front of me, I will save her breath by leaving the House.

Is féidir leis an Teachta glacadh go bhfuil díomá ormsa chomh maith, ag an am seo den oíche, nach bhfuil na hAirí féin i láthair. However, I will answer on behalf of the Minister for Education and Science and I am sure the Deputy will not leave the House, irrespective of what answer I give.

The Minister for Education and Science does not accept that misleading information was provided to the Deputy in his replies to his recent parliamentary questions. While the consultant architect for the schools was advised to proceed and prepare a tender report, it was clear from the report that the work could not be completed this year. Accordingly, approval to accept the tender was not given by the building unit at that time. Architectural planning for refurbishment works, including roof replacement, at Askea boys' and girls' national schools was initiated in January 2001. In October 2001 the Department authorised the school authorities to proceed to invite tenders for the roof replacement element of these works on the understanding from the consultant architect that the works would be completed within eight to ten weeks from commencement.

The Deputy will appreciate that the Department's primary building unit is currently processing a large number of projects. The rate of progress to construction of these projects depends on a number of factors, including the funding available to meet commitments and new projects in any financial year. Officials in the Department informed the school authorities that, since the work could not be completed within the current financial year, as had been specified, the project could not commence until the new financial year, which commences in January. When this issue was brought to the Minister's attention he immediately gave instructions that the project was to proceed because of the urgent nature of the roof replacement.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): Why did the Minister not give me the answer?

I am giving it to the Deputy now. Following a review of the position and careful consideration of the tender report from the school's consultant architect, the Department issued a letter to the school authorities authorising them to accept the lowest tender for these works.

At present, Askea boys' school has a principal, ten mainstream class teachers and six other teachers. The enrolment for the boys' school at 30 September last was 297. Askea girls' school has a principal, 12 mainstream class teachers and five other teachers. The enrolment at the girls' school at 30 September last was 336. The Department is fully committed to the provision of improved accommodation at the schools referred to by the Deputy and I thank him for allowing me the opportunity to clarify the matter.

The Dáil adjourned at 10.35 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Friday, 14 December 2001.

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