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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 11 Mar 2003

Vol. 563 No. 1

Adjournment Debate. - Schools Building Projects.

I will read from a letter to the Taoiseach:

Dear Mr. Ahern,

I am a father of five girls aged between six and 12, all attending Scoil Mhuire Fatima, Dublin Road, Drogheda. You may recall visiting that school a little over 12 months ago. At the time you were very happy to shake everybody's hand and smile for the cameras, as you had an upcoming election. You were also happy to tell us how the new school that we had been promised for so many years was as good as started.

This is a letter from a parent, David Maher, who e-mailed the Taoiseach last week, following a meeting in Drogheda.

More than 400 children attend the school, which is in a disgraceful condition, having been built in the mid-19th century. At that time the rooms were adequate. The construction was of wood and fire safety was not an issue. The school has lasted well but it has played its part in the education of the children of Drogheda.

When the Taoiseach visited the school and saw what was happening there and the Minister, Deputy Dermot Ahern, Deputy Kirk and a bevy of Fianna Fáil candidates and their entourage visited the school and paraded up and down before the general election last year, the parents and children of Scoil Mhuire Fatima believed a new school was around the corner. This, however, is a school around the corner which will not be built if this Administration continues as it is. A new school will not be built unless the Minister looks at this matter with sincerity and determination.

The question of fire hazard is the biggest problem the children face. Everyone is concerned about the safety aspect and the fire hazard that the building presents. I understand the fire officer visited the school today. I told the parents last week they had got to get the fire officers in to inspect the school because in the event of a fire they would regret not having taken it to this stage. They would be happy if the Taoiseach, or his brother, the Minister of State, were to return to see how deeply people are concerned about what happens. One of their other concerns is that the children have to go out of the school and walk along the main Dublin-Belfast road to change classrooms. One of the playgrounds and two classrooms are leased and will no longer be available to the school from next year.

This is no way to look at the future of education in Drogheda. The Minister and his Department must do something about this school. It is not good enough to say they can spend some money on addressing some of the issues such as the electrical wiring which is so badly needed, the fact is the building has to be condemned for a modern school.

The parents cannot meet in the hall at night because it is dangerous. During the general election it was used as a polling booth but when one walked down the steps into the front of the school there was no handrail and the pavement was cracked. The entrance had to be closed as it was too dangerous for people. This meant that elderly people and others had to walk around the back of the school, over an uneven surface.

The position is clear. Promises have been made and have been broken badly by the Government. The last line of the letter states:

Do not wait, Taoiseach, until there is a terrible tragedy and you have to console family members of dead little girls. Combustible materials and hazardous wiring just do not mix. Taoiseach, you would not send your daughters to this school. Don't make us.

That speaks for itself.

Deputy O'Dowd has given me the opportunity of outlining to the House the Department of Education and Science's current position regarding the allocation of funding for schools building projects.

The 2003 capital programme has now been published and full details of individual projects are available on the Department's website. The programme is designed to give the maximum amount of information to managers, boards of management, principals, parents and students. The criteria used for selecting projects has also been published for the first time. That is sup posed to be a fair, professional and independent process.

This year's building programme amounts to €342.9 million, four times the amount allocated six years ago in 1997. The 2003 programme will deliver over 140 large-scale projects at primary and post-primary level. In addition, over 400 schools will benefit in some way from the capital programme and, of course, all primary schools benefit directly from the devolved grants scheme for minor works.

The budgetary allocation for 2004 and subsequent years will determine the rate of progress on projects at schools currently in architectural planning and at other schools such as Scoil Mhuire Fatima that have not yet commenced the architectural planning process. It is obvious there are a number of other schools awaiting approval before this particular school gets to the first line of approvals.

The management authorities at individual schools should continue to use funds from their devolved grant to deal with any urgent health and safety matters.

I have heard what the Deputy had to say. I am standing in for the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Noel Dempsey, and I shall convey to him the Deputy's comments in relation to the school.

I thank the Minister of State.

With all due respect to the Minister of State, Deputy Noel Ahern, I hope I will not get the standard reply. The matter I wish to raise concerns a school which is in danger of losing its insurance if repairs are not carried out. The principal of St. Kieran's boys national school, Galvone, Limerick, went public on the local and national media over a week ago because of the appalling conditions in the school and because the insurance company concerned said it could not guarantee to continue to insure the school. There are problems with a leaking roof, subsiding floors, leaking toilets, large holes in the school yard and a heating system that is so bad it had to close three times in this school year in October, January and February. While the school's conditions are appalling it is a wonderful school in other ways and is in the green school programme. I have visited the school a few times and it has a fabulous morale. With the exception of the building, this is a very good school.

The principal decided to go public because he was concerned about his duty of providing an education to the children and if the insurance was pulled he could not do that. He could not keep the school open if there was no insurance. It is an indication of how bad some schools are that the insurance company concerned, which is a reputable company and insures most schools in the country, had to threaten to withdraw support. The principal also had to go to the Health and Safety Authority because he was concerned about some of the conditions in the school.

I tabled a written question about this school two weeks ago. I understand that since then officials from the Department of Education and Science have visited the school and have acknowledged the seriousness of the problems. I understand there is the possibility of amalgamating with a girls' school which is close by. The boards of management of both schools are willing to consider all possibilities, including amalgamation, as an answer to the problem because they have to maintain the school whether on the current site, which is totally unsuitable and would need about €2 million to put it into proper condition, and the €20,000 being offered this year will go nowhere in terms of the seriousness of the problem.

I am not trying to be negative in the sense that there may be a solution that would work for St. Kieran's boys national school and the girls' school which is close by. It is essential that the urgency of this case is recognised by the Minister and the Department as the school may not get insurance. I ask for a guarantee of uninterrupted education for the pupils of St. Kieran's boys national school, Galvone, irrespective of the solution. In recent months the problems of many schools have been highlighted both here and outside the House because of terrible conditions of one kind or another. This school is probably unique in that the insurance company has said it is so bad that it is a meaningless exercise to list the defects and that it is sufficient to state that the building is not suitable for use as a school.

In view of the condition of the school and the need for continuing education for these boys, I urge the Minister of State to convey the urgency of the situation to the Minister for Education and Science.

Deputy O'Sullivan has said more or less what is contained in the reply. I shall convey her remarks to the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Noel Dempsey. The 2003 capital programme has been published and full details on individual projects are available on the Department's website. The programme is designed to give the maximum amount of information to managers, boards of management, parents and students. One of the new features is that the criteria used for selecting projects has also been published. Given that it is supposed to be done on a professional it is extraordinary there are so many complaints and that school authorities are of the view that the system is not choosing the correct schools.

This years building programme amounts to €342.9 million, four times the amount allocated six years ago. The 2003 programme will deliver over 140 large-scale projects. In addition, over 400 schools will benefit in some way from the capital programme and, of course, all primary schools benefit directly from the devolved grants scheme.

Officials from the Department of Education and Science recently visited St. Kieran's national school and advised that they consider the best way forward for the provision of improved accommodation for St. Kieran's is by way of amalgamation with the Presentation national school, Galvone. It is the Department's view that the Presentation national school building has, with some internal alterations, sufficient capacity to cater for the amalgamated school.

The Department of Education and Science has advised the schools that it is prepared to provide some grant aid towards the cost of these internal alterations on the basis of the amalgamation proceeding without delay. The health and safety situation in St. Kieran's national school will, in the meantime, be a matter for the board of management. The Deputy outlined the way forward. This project can go ahead with reasonable speed provided the amalgamation process is agreed. I will relay the Deputy's remarks to the Minister.

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