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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 14 Oct 2003

Vol. 572 No. 3

Order of Business.

It is proposed to take No. 1, Oil Pollution of the Sea (Civil Liability and Compensation) (Amendment) Bill 2003 [Seanad] – Second Stage. Private Members' Business shall be No. 35, motion re equity in Irish society.

There are no proposals to put to the House. I call Deputy Kenny.

Some 17 requests have been made to adjourn the Dáil under Standing Order 31, none of which has been successful. Such requests are rarely successful. It is farcical that Deputies from all sides of the House must resort to these tactics to get mention of individual projects or matters of concern. Will the Taoiseach indicate if Government time will be made available to hold a serious debate on effective changes to the way business is conducted in this House, by the committees and throughout the Oireachtas? There is a crying need for the Oireachtas to respond to the concern expressed by the public on the way we conduct business.

At his party's Ard-Fheis in Killarney last weekend, the Taoiseach referred to the acquisition and distribution of further State lands for housing. Will he indicate if this will require legislation or if it is possible within existing structures to transfer State lands to local authorities or whatever for the provision of housing, which is urgently required?

The Whips have commenced discussions on the reform programme referred to by the Deputy. I understand it is to be discussed again tomorrow. With regard to the second issue raised by the Deputy, much depends on the organisations. State lands have already been transferred. Legislation is not required, but it may be required in some areas connected with semi-State bodies. However, Departments, such as the Department of Defence, are able to proceed without legislation.

Will the Taoiseach indicate when it is proposed to sign the regulations banning smoking in the workplace and when provision will be made to debate the issue in the House after the worrying betrayal of loyal publicans who have been so helpful to his party? They appear to have been reneged on in Killarney.

Deputy Rabbitte's party has also reneged on them.

I understand the regulations are to be made available in a few weeks. The legislation has been passed.

What about the ministerial order?

It will be ready in early November.

The Minister said two weeks ago it would be signed this week, when he was still creating a smokescreen diverting attention away from the health services.

Will the Taoiseach indicate if further information is available regarding the publication date of the proposed infrastructure Bill? Will the legislation address corruption relating to rezoning decisions that have caused many of the problems occupying the Taoiseach? Will a more comprehensive infrastructure Bill be introduced to deal with the root causes of the problems?

The heads of the Bill will be available prior to Christmas and the legislation will be taken in the session after Christmas.

Over the weekend, rather embarrassingly, a Minister of State announced the introduction of a regulation that was in place. I refer to promised secondary legislation to appoint a children's ombudsman. Primary legislation was passed in April 2002. Fianna Fáil's election manifesto stated this office would be fully operational during 2002. As the end of 2003 approaches—

I call the Taoiseach on the legislation.

It appears the Government will go to the last legal moment on this.

We cannot have a debate on the legislation.

This is not a trivial matter.

Of course it is not. That is why it is the subject of a parliamentary question to the Minister responsible.

We have spent a great deal of time discussing the wrongs of the past. A greater effort should be made to put in place a children's ombudsman to deal with issues for the future.

It took approximately five years for the Bill to be passed and we know where the blame for that lies. The office must be set up within two years under the legislation. If the Deputy wants further details, he should table a parliamentary question.

Will I receive a communication as to when the office will be established?

No, it has to be set up within two years of the passage of the legislation.

Fianna Fáil stated that would happen in 2002.

If the Deputy tables a parliamentary question, he will find out details about the position of the office.

It must not be a high priority.

I refer to two related Bills. In light of another fatality at a building site in Limerick last week, the introduction of the safety, health and welfare at work Bill is urgent and necessary. The Law Reform Commission's report published yesterday recommended the introduction of legislation to make corporate manslaughter an offence. Will such legislation be introduced?

The second matter is under examination but it is too early to say what the legal situation will be. The heads of the safety, health and welfare at work Bill have been approved and the legislation should be available early in the new year.

The Government will publish the Hanly report on the health services tomorrow. It is a long-awaited and important report. However, it will only be made available to the media at the press centre in Government Buildings and not to Members.

Has the Deputy a question appropriate to the Order of Business?

There is no provision in the schedule of business for the House to discuss the Hanly report. Will the Taoiseach provide time this week for Members to have the opportunity to discuss the report fully rather than wait until a future week when the report will have been thrashed out in the media and every other forum throughout the jurisdiction?

The Deputy has made his point.

The discussion should be happening here.

I ask the Taoiseach to respond on this important matter. Many Bills have been deferred pending the publication of the reports into the health services. A debate on the Hanly report in the House is needed and Members should not have to read about it in newspapers. How soon can the debate take place? Publication of legislation that will make statutory provision for entitlement to health and personal social services was promised in 2002 and the recommendations in the Hanly report will have relevance to people's statutory rights.

We cannot have a debate on it. The Deputy should ask a question appropriate to the Order of Business

What happened to the legislation? I am not surprised the Taoiseach looks puzzled. The Bill was "to provide for clear statutory provision on entitlement to health and personal social services in the health service".

Will the Taoiseach ensure, at the very least, that the relevant spokespersons are invited to the launch of the report if there will not be a debate in the House?

I call Deputy Olivia Mitchell. I apologise to the Deputy as I should have called her earlier.

I am so quiet the Ceann Comhairle would hardly notice me. One of the crises galloping towards the Government in regard to the health service is the implementation of the European working time directive for junior doctors in hospitals. Plans to implement it before next August have been left perilously late, endangering both the continuity and quality of the health service. When will the health and social care professionals regulatory Bill be published? The Hanly report should be discussed in the House and not dismissed, as it was by the Taoiseach on radio last week, before the rest of us know what is in it.

The health and social care professionals regulatory Bill will be published this session. The Hanly report will be published tomorrow and I am sure when Members have had an opportunity to read it, we can have a debate. It would be a good idea if people read it first. The scheduling of the debate should be taken up with the Whips.

Will the Taoiseach make sure spokespersons are invited?

Say it to the Minister.

There has been no clarification—

The Deputy is out of order. I call Deputy Rabbitte.

Will the Taoiseach confirm that there will be a debate?

The Deputy cannot jump up and down in his seat without being called by the Chair. He asked three supplementary questions on this during Taoiseach's questions, which is without precedent in the House.

I only ask the Taoiseach to confirm that we will have the discussion here.

Deputy Rabbitte has been called.

It is outrageous that a simple question can be repeatedly ignored—

The Chair has no control over replies to questions. The Deputy is well aware of that.

Is there anybody in the Chair?

I call Deputy Rabbitte, without interruption.

I note Deputy Healy-Rae is not in the House, Sir. To lose one Kerryman to Mountjoy Prison is serious but to lose two would be a tragedy. Could I ask the Taoiseach, on mature reflection, why the smoking regulations will not be ready until November, given that they were due to be published this week? Are the terms still being negotiated?

They are on the web.

It is puzzling given that they are published on web. What is the problem?

I did not know they were to be available this week but they must be legally drafted first. I presume Deputy Rabbitte would not be against their being drafted. As soon as they are drafted, they will be published.

My support has always been consistent.

They will be out soon.

When will the long-awaited decentralisation programme begin?

That is not appropriate to the Order of Business. The Deputy should table a question to the Minister for Finance.

Perhaps the Taoiseach will ask the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment what she will do about the Dubarry factory in Ballinasloe in the context of decentralisation.

The Deputy should ask a question appropriate to the Order of Business.

Nothing has happened since the Minister arrived in Ballinasloe.

The Deputy should wait to see what will happen. It is a long time since I arrived.

A Cheann Comhairle, I seek your guidance regarding No. 61 on the Order Paper, which relates to Carrickmines Castle. The Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government laid an order before the House on 3 July that can be annulled within 21 sitting days. Is it correct that the House only has the opportunity to annul the order before 20 November? I am concerned, given the Taoiseach's remarks regarding swans last week, that medieval castles could be next. I hope the House will have an opportunity to debate such a move if the Minister for the protection of heritage decides that a motorway should plough through the heart of a medieval castle.

Swans were never better off. They were delighted and breeding this year was the best ever, according to experts.

If the Taoiseach had his way, they would flee the country along with the Wild Geese. The swans would not get a look in. They were under more threat as a result of rezoning than anything else.

No. 61 is Private Members' Business.

Will we have an opportunity to vote on annulling the order? There is a three week window. How can we raise this business during that period?

It can be raised if it comes before the House during that time.

It was laid before the House, but it will not necessarily come before the House.

That is a matter for yourselves, as is Private Members' Business.

In view of the fact that search and rescue services have been virtually suspended in the north-west due to crews being reassigned to headquarters at Baldonnel – the north-west coast between Malin Head and County Mayo has been left almost without search and rescue services – will the Taoiseach indicate when the Ombudsman (Defence Forces) Bill 2002, which will address this serious matter, will be debated in the House? It has been promised for a few years.

The legislation has been published and is before the House.

When will it be debated in the House?

That is a matter for the House, but I hope it will be debated shortly.

In view of the inappropriate behaviour that gave rise to the recent quashing of a murder conviction on appeal, does the Taoiseach propose to introduce statutory regulations governing the behaviour of gardaí who are protecting jurors?

Is legislation promised?

The judgment in the case mentioned by the Deputy is being examined.

Although 48 outstanding EU directives, by my count, are due to be transposed into domestic law, the current legislative programme provides for just five of them. This is despite the Taoiseach's statement that he would like all outstanding EU directives to be transposed into domestic law before Ireland assumes the Presidency of the EU next year. Given that there are over 45 outstanding directives, I do not know how he proposes to meet the target he has outlined.

The Deputy should ask a question.

I have asked a question. I can mention each of the directives on the list. I have asked a number of questions of the relevant Ministers. Will the directives, which are not included in the legislative programme, be dealt with soon? One directive, under the aegis of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, has been outstanding for five years and another, under the aegis of the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, has been outstanding for four years. There are 15 outstanding directives under the aegis of the Department of Transport.

The Chair suggests that the Deputy should submit questions to the Ministers who are responsible.

I have submitted questions and I have received replies. I am concerned that the directives are not on the legislative programme.

The Deputy's understanding, that the Government is endeavouring to get as many EU directives as possible up to date by the end of the year, is a correct one. Many of the directives can be dealt with by the various Departments by using orders. I do not think we will succeed in transposing all the directives by the end of the year, but we will have dealt with a large number of them by then. The directives will not come up as part of the legislative programme.

As a medical man, the Ceann Comhairle will have been alarmed by the Taoiseach's statement at the weekend that those in the Fianna Fáil Party will have to develop thicker skins.

The Chair cannot be drawn into debates on any subject.

I am sure there are varying opinions as to the condition of their skins already.

The Deputy could give us a loan of a layer or two of skin.

To assist in treating the condition—

That is not an appropriate matter for the Order of Business.

Perhaps the pharmacy Bill can be expedited with a view to treating this sensitive condition.

It is contagious.

The Bill will be brought forward next year.

The Minister for recreation has a thick skin.

It could not be thicker.

I would like to ask the Taoiseach if the Government will provide time to allow the four Fianna Fáil Deputies and the four Fine Gael Deputies who are engaged in a rugby junket in Australia to report back on their findings.

The Deputy will have to find another way of raising that matter.

Will the sum of €5,000 be considered a corporate gift?

A Deputy

What about the Deputy's American corporate gifts?

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