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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 2 Dec 2003

Vol. 576 No. 1

Adjournment Debate. - Schools Building Projects.

I thank you, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, for allowing me to raise the issue of St. Joseph's national school, Riverstown, County Cork. The following is an extract from a letter I received from the board of management of the school:

The board of management of the above school has just finished a three year term. As it started its term of office, the school got the approval of the building unit of the Department of Education and Science to initiate a proposed extension of 8/12 classrooms and related ancillary rooms. This proposed extension is now at section 7 of the building list of the Department along with a couple of hundred other schools.

Glanmire is a rapidly growing area with no facilities for the increased number of children requiring education. The school is a well maintained school that is struggling under extremely overcrowded conditions. The school was built in 1979 as a 12 classroom school, in 1985 we were well on the way to a four classroom extension, having received planning permission, when the project was scrapped. It has taken continuous efforts by all boards of management to get on the Department's list again. We have now reached stage three of planning and we have no guarantee of going any further.

St. Joseph's is a 12 classroom school with 20 classes, a staff of 33 comprising 26 teachers, one language tutor, four special needs assistants, a secretary and a caretaker. The enrolment for this year is 574 pupils and the expected numbers for the next three years are as follows: September 2004 – 601; September 2005 – 639; and September 2006 – 666.

The school now has seven prefab classrooms, three portacabins, a language support teacher in the hall, a class in the medical-library room, a principal's office in a doorway and a staffroom for 33 which was built for 14. The school is well maintained and is being penalised for this good house management, even though some of the prefabs are nearly 20 years old and are getting difficult to maintain to the required standard.

The board of management also feels that far too much money –€146,000 – and time has been spent on this project to date for it to be put aside again. The board has organised a health and safety audit in the school and will forward it to the Department soon.

In recent times the board of management has done the following. In November 2000 the school was granted permission to initiate eight to 12 classrooms and ancillary rooms. In December 2000 the board of management decided on school needs. In January 2001 three members of the board of management went to the Department building unit in Tullamore to request more resource rooms and a Cork-based architect. In February 2001 permission was granted for this, letters were sent to all design team members and meetings were held with architects to draw up programme of work. The board arranged testing of the school for asbestos by the health and safety unit of the Office of Public Works.

In March 2001 discussions were held at board meetings about fund-raising of €25,000, a search was done for drawings of the 1985 proposed extension and the fee for the design team was negotiated. In April 2001 a letter was sent to parents requesting a contribution of £50 per family for the extension.

In May 2001 there were further meetings with the architect. A sketch scheme plan for eight to 12 classrooms was drawn up, delivered to the board of management for approval and sent to the Department for inspection. In June 2001 meetings were held with local residents' associations to discuss worries regarding the extension. Telephone calls were made throughout that summer to the Department to check if the sketch plan had been approved. In October 2001 three members of the board of management and the architect had meetings with the building unit in Tullamore to discuss the sketch scheme. They were asked to change certain aspects. Letters were sent to new parents requesting £50 contributions to the extension fund-raising.

In November 2001 public meetings were held with local TDs to get their support and to see if they could speed up the process. The revised sketch scheme was sent back to the Department. In December 2001 the sketch scheme was ready for approval but the Department was not proceeding with proposals. There was a hold on all projects.

In March 2002 the board put in a request for a new prefab classroom as pupil numbers would give an extra teacher in September 2002. In April 2002 a school walk was held to raise funds, a site plan for the prefab classroom was organised and planning permission sought. A quantity surveyor did figures for stage three documents.

In May 2002 the stage three documents were sent to the Department and local Deputies were kept informed of the situation. In July 2002 approval was granted for a prefab classroom. The building unit of the Department sent letters with a number of questions for the design team. In August 2002 answers from the design team were sent back to the Department. Assurances were given by the Minister, Deputy Noel Dempsey, that the school extension would be considered for inclusion in the programme for 2003. In October 2003 local TDs were invited to the school to see the overcrowded conditions for themselves.

I attended that visit to the school. In the light of the number of children attending the school, the 33 staff members and the projections for the next number of years, I urge the Minister to use his good offices to progress this project to ensure that the pupils of Riverstown national school can receive an education in decent surroundings.

I thank Deputy Kelleher for giving me this opportunity to outline the proposals of the Department of Education and Science for additional accommodation at Riverstown national school in Glanmire, County Cork.

The school has a staffing level of a principal and 20 assistants, with an enrolment of 574 pupils on 30 September 2003. The Department received an application from the board of management requesting the provision of additional accommodation.

A full design team has been appointed and architectural design of the project is progressing. The Riverstown national school building school project is listed in section 7 of the 2003 school building programme. The proposed project is at stage three of architectural planning and a sketch scheme has been developed. It has been assigned a band two rating by the Department in accordance with the published criteria for prioritising large-scale projects.

The architectural design of additional accommodation is based on nine stages. The design and planning of the project is covered by stages one to five, during which the project is developed from the assessment of site suitability through the detailed design, including the obtaining of planning permission, to the point where detailed bills of quantities are prepared. At stage six tenders are sought in line with public procurement procedures, and subsequently a tender report is prepared and examined. Assuming that the outcome of the tender process is acceptable in terms of procurement procedures and providing value for money and that funds are available to meet construction costs, a construction contract is placed at that stage and the construction of the project begins.

I am sure Deputy Kelleher is aware of the various stages in the process. Stages seven to nine cover post-contract cost control throughout the construction period, construction and practical completion of the project, including the handover of the building to the proposed occupiers and the completion of the cost analysis in the form of the final account, ensuring that cost control was maintained.

The Minister intends to publish details of the 2004 schools building programme by early January at the latest. The programme will clarify what progress is planned for projects, such as that raised by Deputy Kelleher at Riverstown national school, during 2004.

The Deputy is obviously familiar with the school. He can be assured that I will convey his strong views to the Minister for Education and Science at the first opportunity, possibly tomorrow, and relate his concerns and his anxiety that the project move to the next stage as quickly as possible.

Tá mé buíoch díot, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, go bhfuil seans agam cás scoil náisiúnta Tuairiní i Magh Cuilinn i gCondae na Gaillimhe a ardú sa Teach agus cupla focal a rá faoi. Tá práinn ag baint leis an gceist seo le píosa fada agus ag an bpointe seo tá tuismitheoirí agus múinteoirí ag scríobh chuig gach Teachta i ndáilcheantar Ghaillimh Thiar.

I am grateful to you, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, for the opportunity of raising the question of scoil náisiúnta Tuairíní, Moycullen, County Galway, roll no. 131415 D. In 1998 the school was examined by a senior architect from the Department of Education and Science who concluded that the existing building, which is more than 100 years old, is not capable of being modernised to current standards and the restricted site is not capable of being developed or extended. At that point the board of management identified three sites which it suggested to the Department of Education and Science. The Office of Public Works rejected two of the sites as the development costs were prohibitive. The last site has been surveyed and deemed suitable.

In September 2002, the Department of Education and Science wrote to the board of management and stated:

A decision has been taken not to proceed with the acquisition of a site for a new school building. Later this year when a financial allocation has been made for the primary school building programme in the 2003 estimates the accommodation needs of the school as they apply on the existing site will be considered.

When the list was published in January 2003, there was no mention of extra accommodation for the school. The parents have written to the five Deputies who represent Galway. The rather intemperate outburst of my colleague, the Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Fahey, draws attention to the fact that his energies might be better directed to addressing the resolution of this issue for the people of Moycullen. When the board of management was informed that the school was not to feature in the lists published in January 2003, it knew that it would be appointing a third assistant teacher in September 2003. Three classes are being held in a 24 square metre prefab and 20 hours a week of learning support, resource and instrumental music tuition is being taught in the teachers staff room which measures 2.5 metres by 2.5 metres. The staff room also houses the school's photocopier and learning support books and resources. Further resource teaching when granted will have to take place in the hallway.

In April 2003, the Department granted €70,000 for the provision of another prefab. As there was no space in which to put this prefab, the parents' association purchased land to the rear of the school to house the prefab.

I wish to ask a specific question. I am familiar with the stages for approval of schools and the architectural process. The board of management has asked to be considered in the small schools pilot scheme. They need to know where the school stands with regard to that scheme. If money was granted under that scheme, the existing school could be extended, thus ensuring that half of the school's 79 pupils would not be taught in prefabs.

I think the Minister for State will agree with my view. It is often stated that Ireland is the richest or the second richest country in Europe, with the fastest rate of growth and the highest level of foreign direct investment. It is unacceptable in 2003 that children are being taught in these conditions. It is not good enough and it involves a breach of trust, to make promises to parents and boards of management only to fob them off from one year to the next. They are asking straight questions such as where they stand with regard to funding and the provision of permanent accommodation and where they stand with regard to 2004 funding. They wonder where they stand with regard to the special pilot scheme for small schools. They look at their school and they see a great deal of money has been wasted on surveying and rejecting sites.

I think the Minister of State and Members on all sides of the House will agree that if we are to do anything about equality and insuring the bunchlochanna and oideachas ceart, it is at primary level that one must ensure that facilities are of the standard of a modern country. I ask the Minister of State to answer those direct questions about the 2004 permanent accommodation and the pilot scheme for small schools.

Gabhaim leithscéal an Aire Oideachaís agus Eolaíochta leis an Teachta ós rud é nach bhfuil sé in ann bheith anseo anocht. Gabhaim buíochas leis an Teachta fosta a chur ar an Athló.

I thank Deputy Higgins for raising the matter as it gives me the opportunity to outline to the House the position regarding scoil náisiúnta Tuairíní in Moycullen, County Galway.

This school is a co-educational primary school. Enrolments have shown an increase in recent years from 67 pupils in 1997-98 to 79 pupils in September 2003. The school has a staffing of principal plus three mainstream assistants and one shared resource teacher. The board of management of this school applied to the Department of Education and Science in 1997 for an extension to the school premises. Following an assessment of the application it was agreed that the appropriate accommodation should be provided for a three-classroom school. A technical report carried out by the Department indicated that the existing premises did not lend itself to modernisation and that the site was somewhat restricted.

Consequently, the Office of Public Works, which acts on behalf of the Department with regard to the procurement of sites, was asked to investigate and report on suitable sites for the proposed new school. However, in September 2002 the Department of Education and Science informed the board of management that due to current financial constraints, the site acquisition could not proceed for the time being. Accordingly the proposed building project was not included in the 2003 school building programme. To alleviate the school's temporary accommodation problems the Department of Education and Science sanctioned grant aid in May 2003 towards the purchase of a temporary classroom. The school has been renting a temporary portakabin to address its short-term needs.

The school authority has applied to the Department for inclusion in the small schools initiative. This initiative was introduced last year to allow small primary schools undertake building and modernisation works on a devolved basis. I am familiar with the scheme in my county. It is an excellent initiative and great progress has been made. This initiative is a courageous action by the Minister, Deputy Dempsey. I believe it will cost well under the normal cost of the mainstream process.

I appreciate Deputy Higgins's concern. This application is being considered in the context of the 2004 school building programme. The purchase of a site and the advancement of the school's building project to architectural planning will depend on the budgetary provision for 2004 and subsequent years, the rate of progress of existing projects in architectural planning and the priority afforded to each project by reference to the published criteria for prioritising large-scale building projects. The Deputy can be assured that I will relay to the Minister tomorrow the strong case made by him. His colleagues, the Minister of State, Deputy Fahey, and the Minister, Deputy Ó Cuív, also expressed support for the pilot project. The new devolved scheme would seem to be the best for the resolution of many of the problems in the small schools.

The 2004 school building programme will be published shortly and will outline details of projects for which funding is to be made available. In the meantime, it is the responsibility of the board of management to ensure the health and safety of pupils and teachers at the school. The school authorities should use the devolved grant to address urgent works which arise. Tá tuairim láidir ag an Teachta faoin scoil seo curtha in iúl don Dáil anocht agus don Roinn agus is féidir leis bheith cinnte go mbeidh mé ag caint leis an Aire agus cuirfidh mé in iúl na tuairimí atá nochtaithe aige.

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