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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 18 Nov 2008

Vol. 667 No. 3

Other Questions.

National Drugs Strategy.

Aengus Ó Snodaigh

Question:

81 Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs if, in the context of developing the new national drugs strategy he or his Department’s officials have consulted with the Irish Pharmaceutical Union on the matter of the production of crystal meths; and if he has engaged with the Minister for Health and Children or the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to explore the possibility of introducing legal restrictions on the sale of its principal ingredient. [40997/08]

While my officials consulted with the Irish Pharmaceutical Union during the comprehensive consultation process that was undertaken earlier in the year on the development of a new national drugs strategy, the issue of the production of crystal meths was not raised in that context. Nor have I engaged with the Ministers for Health and Children or Justice Equality and Law Reform to explore the possibility of introducing legal restrictions on the sale of its principal ingredients, ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, and I currently have no plans in that regard. As the Deputy may be aware, these substances are used legally in the production of a range of products, including cold remedies and dietary supplements.

The danger of drug precursors — legal substances which can be used in combination to manufacture illicit drugs — is monitored under UN international controls. Ireland is a party to the 1988 United Nations convention against illicit traffic in narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances which lays down requirements with respect to the monitoring of the licit use of precursors. This allows the International Narcotics Control Board, INCB, in tandem with the countries involved, to monitor the illicit use of these substances. With respect to the illicit manufacture and abuse of methamphetamine in Europe, the 2007 INCB report indicates that this is only a problem in a limited number of countries in western and central Europe, mainly in the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and parts of Germany.

Meanwhile, the draft EU drugs action plan 2009-12, which is nearing finalisation, includes a number of actions focusing on the diversion and trafficking in, or via Europe, of drug precursors used in the manufacture of illicit drugs. These proposals are being supported by Ireland, whose contribution to the process is being co-ordinated by my Department.

The new drugs strategy will include measures to deal with issues arising from the use of any illicit drug, including crystal meths. The issue of the control of drug precursors has been discussed in that regard and it is likely to feature under an action under the new strategy. Overall, the emphasis in the strategy will be on ensuring that there is an ongoing comprehensive response to drug-related problems, rather than on drug-specific measures per se.

Does the Minister of State agree that prevention is better than cure in this instance and does he agree that crystal meths is gaining a foothold in Europe? Is he aware the UN office on drugs and crime has said the sudden growth of the drug in the United States and its expansion from being a regional to a national problem there could be replicated in Europe? Is he aware that the number of European countries reporting seizures has more than doubled, from 11 in 2000 to 25 in 2005? Is he aware crystal meths is available in some of Ireland's cities and towns, that there have been consistent seizures of the drug since 2004 and that while the quantities seized have been small, they have been increasing? In July 2008 six kilos of the drug were seized in County Offaly.

On the seizures, the Garda would say that currently crystal meths is not a major feature of the Irish drug market. There were two seizures, the one the Deputy mentioned in the midlands, which was considered a major seizure, and a second seizure in the south of the country. Crystal meths must be dealt with as one of the illegal substances with which we deal. There will be an action, under the new national drugs strategy, to deal with the issue of precursors.

It is important that the actions we take to try to deal with the situation are taken on a European wide basis, rather than having a different strategy here to what the rest of Europe might have. The 2009-12 EU drugs action plan will be supported by this country so that we have a co-ordinated, rather than an individual, response.

Has the Minister of State any information on the effects of crystal meths? Has it any side effects if used in a mixture or with other substances, such as those we see with cocaine and alcohol, which produces cocaethylene which can cause heart failure? What is the history in that regard? Are the dangers of crystal meths in the general arena? Geographically, is it in the main cities in Ireland that cases have been detected?

Experts say that crystal meths is one of the most addictive street drugs and one of the hardest to treat. Therefore, it is a serious concern. As Deputy Ó Snodaigh said, it is regarded in the US as one of the more common hard core drugs. With regard to its effects, it is seen as a euphoric sex and dance culture drug, but has significant adverse consequences. It can lead to paranoia, kidney failure, violence, internal bleeding and less inhibited sexual behaviour. There are also risks attached to injecting and so forth. While a number of cases have come forward for treatment here, and there is anecdotal evidence of some cases, the use of drug is still low and hopefully will remain low. There have only been two significant seizures, one in the south and the six kilos in the midlands. There are many more drugs that are far more prevalent here and crystal meths is only showing on the horizon. However, the side effects are very serious and the treatment is very difficult and problematic.

Rural Transport.

Paul Connaughton

Question:

82 Deputy Paul Connaughton asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs the budget he has available in 2009 for the night-time rural transport pilot. [40845/08]

Pádraic McCormack

Question:

98 Deputy Pádraic McCormack asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs the position regarding the night-time rural transport scheme. [40840/08]

Dan Neville

Question:

114 Deputy Dan Neville asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs if he has plans to extend the night-time rural transport pilot on a national basis. [40843/08]

Ulick Burke

Question:

116 Deputy Ulick Burke asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs if the night-time rural transport pilot will be extended. [40842/08]

I propose taking Questions Nos. 82, 98, 114 and 116 together.

As the Deputy is aware, in many rural areas, there are no public transport services at night. While there are, in the more developed rural areas, either hackney or taxi services, these are at the discretion of the providers of these services and do not provide a guaranteed service to rural people.

It was against this background, therefore, that in May 2007 I introduced a new evening transport service, on a pilot basis, to allow rural people to fully participate in the various activities, community, sporting and social, that take place in their areas. Seven groups are currently delivering the pilot evening transport service.

A review of the pilot scheme is about to get under way and it is anticipated this will be completed in January 2009. In the interim, funding will be provided, pending the outcome of the review and my response to recommendations arising.

I welcome this scheme which was a good initiative. I would prefer if the Minister had the review sooner, because it is important the scheme continues and is rolled out on a national basis. I hope the Minister continues to provide funding for the scheme. He has said he will provide it between now and the time the review is completed.

What plans has the Minister to roll out the scheme nationally? He said that in some rural areas hackneys and taxis are available, but in others they are not. It is important for rural people to have some kind of service to bring them to sporting events, bingo or wherever they need to go. The Minister should not take any notice of begrudgers who give out about funding.

Last week I tabled a question to ascertain the funding available for Dublin Bus and the Luas and there is much State intervention to provide funding for Dublin. However, as soon as rural Ireland is mentioned, a row breaks out and people become upset and uptight. Will the Minister continue this initiative on a national basis throughout the country? What priorities does he have in this regard?

The Deputy should join Members on this side of the House as he is aware of my views on these issues. I have replied many times to criticism of providing rural services to the effect that attempts to provide services in rural Ireland always appear to be dear, while the cost of equivalent services provided in more urbanised locations never seems to be an issue. However, the seven pilots are in operation and an evaluation will be conducted. In this regard, one should try to ascertain how such projects can be as economically self-sustaining as possible.

Some interesting statistics have emerged thus far. From May 2007 to December 2007, 1,475 services carried a total of 13,000 passengers, of whom 64% were holders of free travel passes. This year, up to May 2008, 812 services have carried 6,072 passengers, of whom 66% held free travel passes. I had hoped that many people who did not hold free travel passes but who wanted to go out at night would avail of the services. Perhaps such people sought the freedom to have a drink or two or whatever or in other words, to do what people do in cities. The higher the ratio of paying to non-paying customers, the more sustainable are the services. In the review, I have asked that possibilities to increase income should be considered to facilitate spreading the service wider without a great increase in cost.

There is no point in me standing up in the House today and pretending I have a huge pot of gold as I do not. I know the contents of my Estimate and no doubt the Deputy has also studied it. However, this is a good service and it is worth reviewing it. The review will be rapid and I seek practical answers to ascertain how the money can be stretched further, if not nationally. Are there ways in which to increase the schemes' income in order that they are more self-financing and the service may be stretched further than at present? Obviously my response is only qualitative as the really accurate response will emerge from the review. However, the feedback I hear on the ground appears to be favourable. I do not know whether the Deputy has heard otherwise.

As the scheme now is a pilot project that appears to be working, the Minister should not over-regulate it. The pilot scheme is working and other areas seek it. However, the Minister should avoid doing what every Department does to working schemes, that is, they poison it through over-regulation. The Minister should avoid doing so.

At the outset, the only action I took, with which I hope the Deputy will agree, was to state they were obliged to charge a minimum——

——for people who did not have free travel passes. Those with free travel passes travel free. My thinking was the more I could encourage rural communities to charge a reasonable fare, the more likely that it would be possible to offer a wider range of services. My experience of rural Ireland was that ordinary people with jobs who wish to go out for the night would not complain about paying a reasonable fare, any more than would someone paying for a taxi in Dublin. Consequently, I believe a fare of €5 each way was set, which is not unreasonable. If one hired a taxi in this city, €5 would not get one very far. The only measure I have been pushing is that the schemes should try to be as commercial as possible and that the gaps I must fill should be as narrow as possible. The purpose is to extend the service more widely, rather than to save money. Aside from that, I agree with the Deputy's point. Creativity and flexibility are the names of the game. For a service that is designed to each local community's need, to give the best value for money and the best services to the community, the light touch is by far the best and I agree with the Deputy in this regard.

When the Minister first proposed this initiative, I thought it was the maddest idea ever. I am delighted to find I was wrong. Are all the schemes in the west of Ireland or do some operate in Leinster? As for further development of the scheme and, as Deputy Ring has suggested, its roll-out, what mechanism can be used in this regard? Will the new Leader groups be able to do this? Agritourism, which now is an essential part of rural life as a means of developing alternatives for the farming community, probably would benefit from such a roll-out. What plans does the Minister have to roll it out? What groups will be able to put forward proposals in this regard?

The bids came from the existing rural transport groups around the country because we did not wish to duplicate bureaucracy. I insisted on a small proportion of the money going on administration and this was laid down. The operators could not spend much on administration. As for the groups involved, West Cork Rural Transport is in Munster, as is Avondhu Development Group in east County Cork. As Meath Accessible-Kilnaleck Community operates in counties Cavan and Meath, it is half in Leinster and half in Ulster. The County Sligo Leader Partnership operates in north Connacht, as does Tumna Shannon Development Company, County Roscommon. Síob Teoranta operates in County Donegal and Laois TRIP in western County Laois. Consequently, there are one and a half operators in Leinster, one and a half in Ulster, two in Connacht and two in Munster. Unfortunately for me, none was in County Galway. They simply did not win the bid.

That makes a change.

However, I agree with Deputy Wall's remarks on the future possibilities. The point is to keep it attached to some existing structures, either the Leader partnership companies or, more probably, the existing rural transport groups. Perhaps in time they should realign themselves because the overheads should be kept down. There are many ways to deliver this service. Some operators do so with buses on a fixed route. Another option I thought of was to have a hackney driver, who would be contracted to be on call between certain hours within a ten-mile radius and to bring anyone to and from a place within that radius. There are many variations on this and as I noted to Deputy Ring, we need flexibility. It certainly fills a gap and my argument from the outset has been to ask whether it is possible to imagine a city without transport after 8 p.m. and to ask what that would do to social life in cities. The big question is why should the countryside be different. We have proved there is a demand for this.

Does the Minister agree that to expand the rural transport projects, they must be flexible and responsive to demand? I refer in particular to the potential to attract young people at night and hopefully prevent fatal car crashes such as those seen in recent years.

Absolutely. One must consider an appropriate pricing mechanism. Young people spend quite a lot of money when they go out for a night. If charging them €15 for a safe way of getting to and from places means that one can provide more services, that is fair enough. Many parents would be more than willing to pay out such sums to ensure their children came and went from discos or wherever they were bound. Even before I set up this scheme, there were certain areas in which people provided what were commonly termed "disco buses". It was a great relief for the parents of those areas, because they knew the driver was a responsible adult, as opposed to people getting lifts home at night from people who might have been tempted to drive a little too fast. All Members are familiar with the related carnage.

All possibilities must be examined and I note there is a lot of interest in the House in this regard. I am open to the idea, when I receive the report, of attending the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Arts, Sport, Tourism, Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs to have a discussion on this subject in order that Members collectively can put their minds together, to maximise, within the financial envelopes available to me, the possible impact of the scheme.

National Drugs Strategy.

Aengus Ó Snodaigh

Question:

83 Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh asked the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs the way the 5% cut in funding to the drugs initiatives and young people’s services fund will impact on the delivery of the national drugs strategy. [40998/08]

As I outlined earlier today, the Government is firmly committed to tackling the problem of drug misuse in our society. The doubling of funding targeted at community-based initiatives funded through my Department's Vote, from €31.5 million in 2003 to more than €64 million in 2008, is, I believe, clear evidence of that commitment.

The reduction in the 2009 funding allocation to my Department for the drugs initiatives must, therefore, be viewed in that context. This year, the budget for community-based initiatives in the local and regional drugs task force areas, including funding for new cocaine and rehabilitation measures introduced during the year, will come to nearly €34.8 million. While the funding available for 2009 has not yet been finalised, I expect the comparable figure to be approximately €34.4 million, a relatively small reduction. It is important to note that funding for projects in drug task forces' action plans in 2009, which comprise the bulk of the funding in my Department, will be maintained at 2008 levels, that is, €32 million.

The drugs strategy is based on a co-ordinated effort across many Departments and Government agencies and the Department's allocation is only part of a much larger investment programme in drugs services by these other bodies. In 2006, it was estimated that expenditure on drugs programmes across all the bodies was approximately €220 million. This figure is being updated by my Department for 2007.

As the Deputy may be aware, responsibility for the management and operation of the young people's facilities and services fund is in the process of being transferred to the Office of the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, OMYCA. In this context, more than €20 million in capital and current funding is transferring from my Department's Vote to the OMCYA. I am confident that the OMYCA will assist groups in every way it can as they make adjustments to their operations to allow for savings next year.

The bulk of the remainder of my Department's allocation under the drugs strategy funds the work of the National Advisory Committee on Drugs, the national drugs strategy team, the Family Support Network and CityWide, all of which must identify some savings in 2009. My officials are working to identify those at present.

I assure the Deputy that my Department is making every effort to ensure that the daily front line services provided across all of the programmes and schemes it operates are protected as much as possible. On the drugs side, we will continue to liaise with the task forces, other relevant agencies and the national drugs strategy team over the coming months to ensure the continued operation of vital services in disadvantaged areas most affected by drug misuse.

Is the Minister of State aware of the drugs task forces' anger over the cut in funding and the head-in-the-sand attitude of viewing funding in the context of 2003? Since then, there has been an explosion in the availability of illegal drugs, some of which have been mentioned and others that are emerging, such as crack cocaine — its usage has increased by 500% in Crumlin — crystal meth and cocaine.

Is the Minister of State aware that the increase in the prevalence and use of illegal drugs during the lifetime of the national drugs strategy is evidence that it was under-funded and that the recent reduction will ensure that the next strategy will be even more under-funded?

I disagree that we referred to 2003 except to show the increase over a five year period. I will be specific because the Deputy mentioned drugs task forces and funding cuts. As the Deputy is well aware, there is a recession in this country, Britain, the eurozone, the US and Japan. Consequently, the funding available to my Department is less this year than it was last year. Bearing this in mind, I stand over my commitment, although many do not wish to recognise it. I committed to maintain and protect front line services. While there is a reduction of 5% in the subhead in my Vote, the drugs task forces will receive the same level of funding in 2009 as they did in 2008. At a time when most Departments and bodies are facing cuts, this is a significant aim.

The drugs task forces must work together, examine new methods, achieve greater efficiencies and consider sharing services, be they outreach workers or project counsellors, to ensure that their programmes maximise outcomes for the communities we serve. However, it is not true to say that task forces will get less money next year than they got this year. They will get precisely the same funding in 2009 as they got in 2008 and they have been so informed.

They will get less.

No. The Deputy is not reading the correct information. While the Deputy may choose not to listen, drugs task forces will receive €32 million next year, which is what they received in 2008. The Deputy can jump up and down as often as he likes, but they——

I have not yet, but I will if the Minister of State wants me to.

——will get the same in 2009.

I do not know from where the Minister of State gets his figures, but he has not read them. The Dublin 12 task forces will experience a reduction. Perhaps the overall figure will remain the same, but cutting their funding is ridiculous, given from where they come. Those communities were disadvantaged for years and did not benefit from the Celtic tiger.

In 2008, the funding for task forces was €32 million. Despite my Department and this subhead experiencing a 5% cut, front line services provided by the task forces will receive €32 million in 2009. The appeal is to consider new ways in which to do business. Instead of asking for more money to deliver the same services, the commercial principles that apply in the private sector should be used to determine how to do business and achieve better outcomes for the same money. This is a challenge, but stating that there will be cuts is factually incorrect.

Written Answers follow Adjournment Debate.

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