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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 13 Oct 2011

Vol. 743 No. 3

Priority Questions

Social Welfare Fraud

Barry Cowen

Question:

1 Deputy Barry Cowen asked the Minister for Social Protection the number of welfare cases reviewed by her in 2009, 2010 and to date in 2011; the amount saved by anti-fraud measures in 2009, 2010 and to date in 2011; and the number of staff overall who have been investigating fraud in her Department in 2009, 2010 and to date in 2011. [29194/11]

The prevention of fraud and abuse of the social welfare system is an integral part of the day-to-day work of the Department, which processes in excess of 2 million claims each year and makes payments to some 1.4 million people every week. However, it is important to recognise that the majority of people receive the entitlement due to them.

In terms of control work, in 2009 nearly 751,000 cases were reviewed by the Department and some €484 million was recorded as savings achieved. In 2010, more than 929,000 cases were recorded as reviews and some €483 million was recorded as being achieved in control savings. However, due to industrial action, the total 2010 control savings and reviews were not fully recorded. In the period January to August 2011, nearly 401,000 cases were reviewed and some €388 million control savings have been recorded. The savings achieved to date this year are substantially ahead of the €281 million achieved in the same period last year. Under the fraud initiative 2011-13, there is a provisional target of achieving €625 million in control savings in 2012. This is an increase of €85 million on the 2011 target.

Control savings are an estimate of savings from various control activities across the schemes in payment, but are not actual moneys recovered by the Department. If this control work did not take place, social welfare expenditure would increase by this level over time.

Control activity is also focused on the prevention of fraud and error at new claim stage. This is the most cost effective mechanism of reducing losses through fraud and error in social welfare schemes. Savings made from the prevention of fraud and error at application stage cannot be estimated as the claims in question will not go into payment.

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There are some 620 staff whose work includes control activities. This figure includes staff involved in the processing and payment of new claims, including staff in investigation units who work at local, regional and headquarters levels. Some 200 of those staff work full-time on control work, while the other 420 staff are responsible both for routine investigations in relation to new claims on the various schemes and for reviews of customers' claims. Of the 200 inspectors, 89 are in the special investigation unit, SIU, whose exclusive function is fraud prevention, detection and deterrence.

I recently launched a new fraud initiative 2011-13, which is aimed at putting in place a range of actions to combat fraud and abuse of the social welfare system and to ensure public confidence and trust in the system. There are a number of themes and approaches in this plan as follows: greater inter-agency co-operation among public bodies at national and local level to combat fraud and abuse; greater presence of social welfare inspectors on the ground; the targeting of sectors where fraud is more likely to occur; new ways to recover overpayments to be examined; increased penalties for those operating in the hidden economy to be examined; greater liaison at national and, in particular, at local level with employers, their representative organisations and businesses generally to ensure good information exchange on emerging fraudulent trends in the labour market and to maintain a fair and level playing pitch for all enterprises; the roll-out of the new public service card; and the enhancement of the technical and auditing capacity of the Department through modern data matching and data interrogation techniques.

I consider that the combination of these elements of the plan will lead to more focused and efficient activity and to more trust in and credibility of the social protection system. This fraud initiative is a work in progress and covers the period 2011 to 2013. It will be reviewed periodically and updated, as required, given emerging trends.

Social welfare fraud undermines public confidence in the entire system as well as being unfair to other recipients of social welfare payments, businesses run on a legitimate basis and taxpayers. As Minister, I am very conscious of the need to protect public money and I am determined to ensure that abuse of the system is prevented and is dealt with effectively when detected.

I thank the Minister for her response. Am I correct in saying there has been no major dividend in savings this year? Was the target inherited by the Minister not €540 million for this year? Last year's target was €550 million and €483 million was recorded as achieved, up to the time industrial action curtailed the activities. Has that industrial action continued this year and is that the reason this year's target may not be achieved?

There seems to be no major increase in the number of cases under review. In 2009, there were approximately 750,000 cases reviewed and to August this year, 401,000 have been reviewed. In March of this year there were 89 inspectors targeting this area. Are there more now considering what the Minister has been saying in recent months with regard to the plan she has brought forward to target this area specifically and to make savings which might allow her to retain the rates of payment? Will she elaborate on this? While the Minister intends the targeted review to be a success, based on these figures and the comparison with recent years, is it as successful as she thought it would be?

We have figures up to August, as the year is not complete yet. There were 401,000 reviews up to that date and these resulted in some €388 million in control savings. This compares with €281 million achieved in the same period last year. Therefore, the staff of the Department are doing very well on this. The reviews are yielding more control savings. We will know the total outturn by the end of the year, but the review is yielding significant savings.

With regard to the inspectors and fraud, the work of approximately 620 staff includes control activity. This includes staff involved in the processing and payment of new claims, including staff in investigations who work at local and regional headquarters level. Some 200 of those staff work full-time on control work while the other 420 staff are responsible for both routine investigations relating to new claims and the reviews of customer claims. Of the 200 inspectors, 89 are in the special investigation unit, the exclusive function of which is fraud prevention, detection and deterrence. The Deputy will recall that in the debate on the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill before the summer recess, I sought and got from the Dáil additional powers relating to multi-agency investigations and co-operation. We want to have a greater presence of social welfare inspectors on the street, as it were. For example, next year we propose to increase significantly the number of visits to employers for the purpose of deterring black economy activity, where people in employment are not recorded as working.

Despite the apparent effort by the Department to beef-up the sector and to tackle this issue, the numbers do not seem to support this effort. The number of staff, 620, is little different from the 600 in 2009 and the number of inspectors remains the same as it was in March. The yield in savings is very similar to last year and we wonder if we will meet the target. The Minister said that industrial action last year had curtailed the figure, but that has not been the case this year. The review is not yielding the results we hoped it would.

What is different is that we are targeting the use of the investigators. In other words, they are targeting areas where there may be evidence to suggest there are problems. This has been a particular feature of the work of the Department recently and I have stressed that this is important. We have continued to conduct a huge number of reviews, which involves writing to people to check whether they are living at the address given and so on. Most people are honest and, therefore, modern audits target the areas where there is reason to suspect there may be abuse. That is where I would like to see the emphasis. We are targeting for next year a significant increase in control savings, but we also want to target specifically areas where we have reason to believe there may be fraud. Up to September, some 12,000 members of the public had made contact with the Department pointing out areas of abuse of the system. They are not always right but it is interesting information.

Employment Support Services

Aengus Ó Snodaigh

Question:

2 Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh asked the Minister for Social Protection if her attention has been drawn to the recent media focus on the JobBridge scheme exposing displacement of real jobs; and the steps she will take to prevent such displacement and exploitation. [29196/11]

JobBridge, the national internship scheme, is part of the Government's job initiative and was launched on 1 July 2011. As of last Friday, a total of 2,477 internship opportunities with host organisations were available on the website. To date 1,769 interns have commenced an internship under the JobBridge scheme. Of these, 625 individuals have converted their work placement programme placement into a JobBridge internship to avail of the €50 top-up. In other words, some 1,100 people on internships had not been doing any other job placement or internship beforehand. The aim of JobBridge is to assist individuals bridge the gap between unemployment and the world of work. JobBridge aims to offer individuals of all skill levels, ranging from those who left school early to highly qualified graduates and postgraduates, a unique opportunity to develop new skills and earn valuable experience. JobBridge can offer a diverse range of jobseekers a chance that will at the very least improve their prospects of securing employment in future.

Feedback on the scheme has revealed that there have been many excellent internships for non-graduates in the retail, catering and services sectors where participants are learning new skills, staying in touch with the labour market and putting themselves in a better position to get a full-time job. Measures to minimise displacement include the following: all host organisations must declare in their application that they are not displacing an employee and that they have no vacancy in the specific area; the JobBridge team, part of the FÁS team in County Offaly, checks all applications against recent vacancies advertised on the FÁS Jobs Ireland website; and if the JobBridge team suspects that displacement may be an issue, it can liaise with regional FÁS management to find out more information on the company.

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In order for all applications from host organisations to be approved they must also meet a number of criteria so as to ensure the potential internships are of sufficient quality. These include the following: that the internship does not allow the intern to work unsupervised; and that the intern accrues significant experience throughout the entire internship. In order for an internship to commence a standard internship agreement must be signed by both the intern and the host organisation. This agreement clearly stipulates the terms of the internship and states the specific learning outcomes the intern will receive over the course of their internship.

To ensure compliance with the scheme, my Department and the JobBridge team are monitoring internships to ensure that both host organisations and interns are abiding by the spirit and rules of the scheme.

This involves the monitoring of monthly compliance reports which the host organisation uses to verify that the internship is proceeding as set out in the standard internship agreement. In addition, contact with the host organisations and interns including random site visits will begin shortly as part of this process.

The scheme also has a whistle blowing feature, where any individual who suspects that an internship may be in breach of the scheme's criteria, including in cases of suspected displacement or poor quality, may contact the national call centre. All such claims will be investigated. Where it is proven that displacement has occurred in a host organisation their internship opportunities will be removed and they will not be allowed to participate in JobBridge.

I spent five to ten minutes yesterday browsing the website, during which I found 11 objectionable new advertisements. Has the Minister looked at the website? She will see internships that clearly displace what should be real jobs and wages and exploit people. Some of the internships include posts as retail assistants, car valets, catering assistants and general maintenance assistants. The posts are dressed up in fancy language to give the impression they are meaningful internships but cursory research dispels that myth. A retail assistant post based in Waterford city claims the intern "will also be trained in the use of highly specialized Microsoft RMS software, used for point of sale". According to the Microsoft website, the RMS software package enables employees "to learn POS procedures in minutes", not 30 hours a week over nine months.

Does the Minister agree she has failed to prevent displacement and exploitation that was an inevitable outworking of the scheme? Does she agree that some employers are using the JobBridge scheme to avoid employing people on proper terms and conditions to undertake standard functions on which their businesses and profits to date depended? Does she agree the design of the scheme facilitates this outrageous exploitation?

Over 4,000 employers have offered to host internships. JobBridge is an internship and work experience programme, not a job. Of those 4,000 employers, only 2,500 have had the request to host an internship accepted. In some cases, more must be done because the specifications do not meet the requirements. It is important to avoid displacement. In the hotel and catering industry, Fáilte Ireland has done a detailed and valuable amount of work for the hospitality sector to identify good internships and what they do.

Regarding what the Deputy describes as low-level jobs, someone who left school without many qualifications may be interested in a different kind of job and experience to someone who is a postgraduate archaeologist. The Department and I made a decision to make JobBridge open to different levels and not to make it an internship open only to graduates and postgraduates. It is open to a wide range of people. Over 1,100 people have started internships and 625 people have transferred from the work placement programme. Feedback is positive but that does not mean there are no problems and that we do not need constant vigilance. I am sure it is providing a valuable experience to a significant number of people.

I agree with the last point about the meaningful experience. The practice to date seems to be that this is used as cheap or free labour. Does the Minister agree the scheme is a giant disincentive to job creation? Why would an employer create a real job when he or she can exploit free labour courtesy of this Government? What steps will the Minister take to ensure the experience on JobBridge is meaningful and that the employee gets full training, not three hours in nine months? This means training could be carried over to the next employment the employee will hopefully find.

There are a series of monitoring processes, including the steering committee chaired by Mr. Martin Murphy, CEO of HP, which meets on a regular basis. There is also a stakeholders' group and we take into account the advice of stakeholders, including employers' organisations and trade unions. Internationally, there is recognition that a good quality internship is an opportunity for people who cannot get a job when there are very few jobs available. They cannot get a job because they do not have experience and they cannot get experience because they cannot get a job. The JobBridge was set up to get out of that catch-22. The variety of internships on offer, bearing in mind that Deputy Ó Snodaigh may have thought this applied only to graduates——

——apply to people at different levels. The feedback is quite positive. Many people are voluntarily monitoring for us. There is a risk of displacement but the FÁS workers in the centre in Edenderry are doing work to make sure this aspect is dealt with at the beginning.

Social Insurance

Thomas Pringle

Question:

3 Deputy Thomas Pringle asked the Minister for Social Protection her views on amending the pay related social insurance for self-employed persons to allow them through extra contributions to be able to claim jobseeker’s benefit in the event that their business closes or they are out of work, the new system would require an additional contribution and a qualification period; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [29367/11]

I am very aware of the very difficult financial position of some self-employed people. However, there must be a balance between contributions made and benefits received. Self-employed persons are liable for PRSI at the class S rate of 4%, which entitles them to access long-term benefits such as State contributory pension and widow's, widower's or surviving civil partner's contributory pension. Ordinary employees, who have access to the full range of social insurance benefits including jobseeker's benefit, pay class A PRSI at the rate of 4%. In addition, their employers make a PRSI contribution of 10.75% in respect of their employees, resulting in the payment of a combined 14.75% rate per employee under full rate PRSI class A. For employees earning less than €356 per week, the rate of employer's PRSI is 4.25%.

In this context, it may be noted that self-employed workers generally achieve better value for money from social insurance compared to employees. The 2005 actuarial review of the social insurance fund found that a self-employed contributor can expect to receive over ten times what he contributes, compared to an employee, who on average receives only three times what he and his employer contribute, despite the fact that the range of benefits available to employees is greater.

The contributory State pension increased at a greater rate than inflation or earnings growth in the period up to 2010, while annuities offer CPI-linked increases. The market cost of an inflation-linked annuity with €12,000 a year in initial benefits is greater than €300,000, without any associated survivors' benefits.

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Any changes to the PRSI system in order to provide access to short-term benefits such as jobseeker's benefit would have significant financial implications and would have to be considered in the context of a much more significant rise in the rate of contribution payable.

I established the advisory group on tax and social welfare earlier this year to meet the commitment made in the programme for Government. The group will, inter alia, examine and report on issues involved in providing social insurance cover for self-employed persons in order to establish whether or not such cover is technically feasible and financially sustainable. I look forward to receiving its report.

The Deputy should be aware that self-employed persons may establish eligibility to assistance-based payments, including jobseeker's allowance. In general, in assessing means, account will be taken of the level of earnings in the last 12 months in determining expected income for the following year. In the current climate, account is taken of the downward trend in the economy.

I thank the Minister for her response. While it may be true that class S contributors receive more than ordinary employees, that is after they reach the age of 66 and retire. There are a large number of self-employed people who, through no fault of their own in this recession, have ended up without work and dependent on social welfare and have been unable to avail of jobseeker's benefit. I ask the Minister to give serious consideration to increasing the class S contribution rate to ensure there is a safety net. This would be a labour activation measure as well as a way of encouraging people to set up their own businesses. They can do so in the knowledge that there is a type of safety net they can avail of after an appropriate qualification period.

The Deputy's proposal that self-employed people be allowed to make full contributions at class A level is worth examining. The advisory group on social welfare and taxation, which is currently examining the issue of family supports and child payments in the social welfare system, will next consider the issue of social welfare for the self-employed. We are all aware that during the boom, the last thing on the minds of many people, particularly young men in the construction industry, was making large social insurance contributions, because it felt as though the boom would never end. I am aware of what the Deputy is saying; many of those people have ended up in difficult circumstances. If we want to have a proper welfare system, we must start designing the system so that the self-employed are included as well.

I ask all Deputies to keep their questions brief. Deputy Pringle is not the worst offender, but we have to make some progress.

I welcome the fact that the Minister has asked for this to be examined and I look forward to seeing the outcome. However, I ask the Minister to ensure, if she is agreeable to some sort of system being established, that it will not be voluntary. There is a voluntary scheme under class P for share fishermen, but over the last ten years only 15 fishermen per year on average have availed of it. Thus, it will have to be a compulsory scheme. Overall, it would be for the greater good.

If we want to build a modern welfare state for the 21st century, there are things we must take into account. People who are leaving school today or leaving college this year or next year will spend some of their time as employees and some of their time as contractors or self-employed. In some cases they will set up companies and become directors. Our welfare system needs to make provision in the future for all those people.

Obviously, people need to contribute so that the system is self-funding. This year, there is a deficit in the social insurance fund of the order of €1.9 million, that is, the contributions have been less than what is being paid out because of the high level of unemployment.

Rent Allowance

Barry Cowen

Question:

4 Deputy Barry Cowen asked the Minister for Social Protection the number of persons in receipt of rent allowance; her plans to expand this scheme; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [29195/11]

Rent supplement expenditure increased from €369 million in 2005 to €516 million in 2010. The number of people claiming the allowance increased from almost 60,200 in 2005 to 95,700 as at October 2011, that is, by nearly 60%. There are no plans to expand the scheme by relaxing the eligibility rules, thereby increasing the number of people in receipt of rent supplement. The main strategic emphasis of policy initiatives undertaken by the Department over the last number of years is to return rent supplement to its original incarnation as a short-term income support for people who are renting and have lost their jobs but, in a better labour market, would probably find jobs within a year or so.

Two main initiatives are currently being pursued by the Department to transfer long-term rent supplement recipients to housing solutions supported by local authorities. These are the rental accommodation scheme, popularly known in Dublin as the RAS, and the new housing policy initiative launched in June of this year.

The RAS, which was introduced in 2004, gives local authorities specific responsibility for meeting the longer-term housing needs of people who receive rent supplement for 18 months or more. Local authorities meet the housing needs of these individuals through a range of approaches, including the traditional range of social housing options, the voluntary housing sector and, in particular, the RAS. In June 2011, the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government and the Minister of State with responsibility for housing published a new housing policy framework statement. The object, in terms of reform, is the transfer of the rent supplement scheme to local authorities. One other feature of the rent supplement scheme is that it constitutes a welfare trap in certain cases, acting as a disincentive for people to return to work. A multi-agency steering group involving my Department and the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government is considering the implementation of this transfer.

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This will help achieve a key Government commitment of removing barriers to employment, while at the same time returning rent supplement to its original purpose, that of a short-term income support payment for those who are temporarily unemployed.

In line with commitments in the programme for Government, the Department is also working closely with the Private Residential Tenancies Board to ensure that rent supplement tenancies comply with the statutory system of tenancy regulation and safeguards. The Department is also working with the Revenue Commissioners to ensure that landlords are tax-compliant.

I agree that the concept of transferring responsibility to the local authorities is to be welcomed, and I agree that the emphasis should be on the RAS, as has been the case in recent years. There are 100,000 people on our housing waiting lists, which means there are almost 100,000 people on rent allowance. The number on the housing list has risen to 56,000 since 2008. The Minister mentioned some schemes announced by the Minister of State with responsibility for housing. However, there is a dilemma with regard to social protection and the pressure to maintain social welfare rates as per the programme for Government, to which the Government re-committed after 100 days in office. Should the Government not seek to create schemes that would benefit the greatest number of people at a lesser cost to the taxpayer? In this instance, such goals cannot be achieved through a large budget for rent allowance, but could be achieved through utilisation of the social dividend that NAMA owes to the taxpayers of this State. Has there been some co-operation on this between the Minister and the Minister of State with responsibility for housing? Has the Minister sought to advance the prospect of co-opting NAMA in order for the State to capitalise on what was promised initially as a social dividend?

My colleague Deputy Penrose, the Minister of State with responsibility for housing, has continual contact with NAMA with a view to obtaining this social dividend for citizens and taxpayers, who are paying the cost of NAMA, through the use of properties in the NAMA portfolio which may be suitable for housing. The Minister of State has been active in pursuing this.

One of the reasons the numbers on local authority housing lists have risen is that a person must register with the housing authority in order to receive rent supplement. However, many of those receiving rent supplement are young and single. There is a great deal of work to be done in terms of examining how the system of rent supplement has developed and expanded. Some 95,000 people are currently in receipt of the supplement, amounting to a cost to the State of €500 million per year. My Department is the largest purchaser of housing services from private landlords in the State. As such, I agree that we could obtain better value for money.

That is precisely why this issue should be pursued more vigorously than heretofore. The Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government today produced figures indicating that 19,000 houses are vacant and a further 17,000 are at various stages of construction. That oversupply must be tackled vigorously and immediately in order to seek the dividend which could be demanded of NAMA for the State. Such an approach would afford the Minister the leverage she needs to honour the commitments she and her party have given.

Another priority in terms of saving money is for the Department to secure better deals from landlords in regard to rents. That is best handled by the local authorities, which is why I am anxious to see the rent supplement scheme transferred to them. Community welfare officers, who are experts in this area, joined my Department's staff on 1 October. There is a committee of officials and people with expertise in the area between my Department and the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. They are working closely together with a view to effecting the transfer of the scheme to the local authorities and initiating the new system in the new year.

Social Welfare Benefits

Mick Wallace

Question:

5 Deputy Mick Wallace asked the Minister for Social Protection if, following the observation during the UN review of Ireland’s human rights record that austerity measures should not disproportionately impact the elderly, she will guarantee that the State pension and the free travel pass will be protected in Budget 2012; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [29402/11]

I am very conscious of the needs of people on social welfare and fully understand that a wide range of groups depend on the welfare budget for vital support. In the context of a very tough budgetary environment, I will do my utmost to protect the most vulnerable people in Irish society, including retired and older people in receipt of social welfare pensions and the free travel scheme. My Department will spend more than €77 million in 2011 on the free travel scheme. This will benefit more than 700,000 people, some 520,000 of whom are aged over 66.

Sustainable public finances are a prerequisite for maintaining an adequate system of social protection as well as for achieving future economic stability and growth. For these reasons, the State must pursue a determined deficit reduction strategy. Accordingly, there will be an ongoing requirement to curtail expenditure and prioritise resources in my Department and all other Departments in 2012 and in later years. In this regard, my Department has completed a comprehensive review of expenditure, the purpose of which is to assess the effectiveness and value for money of spending programmes across all Departments and agencies. All spending lines are being examined without exception, and possible ways of reducing spending are being considered in every area of expenditure. The fact that particular ways have been identified in which spending could potentially be reduced does not mean all of these approaches will be implemented.

The intention behind the methodology being followed is to provide the Government with a set of decision options to enable it to meet three objectives. These objectives are, first, to achieve overall fiscal consolidation outcomes, both as regards spending and numbers reduction targets; second, to re-align spending with programme for Government priorities; and, third, to consider new ways of implementing Government policy in the context of public sector reform.

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In my discussions with my colleagues in Government I will have regard to any views expressed by the UN and by welfare representative organisations. In this regard, I held a pre-budget forum on 16 September which was attended by 34 organisations. I and my officials had the opportunity to listen carefully to their proposals relating to the next budget. I stress that no decisions have been made to date in regard to welfare expenditure next year. Those decisions will be made in due course after full consideration by the Government and will be announced on budget day.

There can be no doubt that the Government's austerity measures have had the greatest impact on the more vulnerable members of society, including the elderly. A new report published by researchers at UCD and St. Mary's Hospital in the Phoenix Park, Dublin, shows that more than 10,000 elderly people per year are subjected to some type of abuse, of which the most common is financial abuse. Funding must be ring-fenced to protect the vulnerable members of society. Such people, who include many of our older citizens, are already in extreme difficulty even before the inevitable further cutbacks are introduced. We discussed the challenges facing the community and voluntary sector during Private Members' business this week. Older people must be protected in the context of cutbacks in State spending and support for community initiatives.

Will the Minister indicate whether there are there any plans to implement a fuel poverty strategy, as indicated in the programme for Government?

The most effective means of ensuring people's homes are adequately heated is to install adequate insulation. The Deputy will be aware that older people tend to live in older houses which may be poorly insulated. It is important that we seek to have an active programme for insulating houses. In the case of local authority houses built in the 1970s, for example, the insulation standards are very low.

The Deputy should bear in mind that in the case of a pensioner couple where both people are aged over 66, the combined State contributory pension is €436, a significant increase since 2004. In addition, the couple are entitled to household benefits and free travel. That level of provision is the reason the ESRI found that elderly persons have for some years been at a lower risk of poverty, whether measured simply in terms of income or using measures of deprivation. We should also bear in mind that the pensions and other payments older people receive are spent largely in this country. It is important from an economic point of view that they should continue to have that level of purchasing power.

I agree that many older people have difficulty keeping their homes heated to a safe level. I recently received information from a company called Wexford Viking Glass which installs glass in window frames without taking the frames out, offering an increase in insulation levels of 60%. The company has proposed that the Government consider abolishing the VAT on its services in order to assist its business and promote efforts to improve insulation in older homes. Taking out the entire window involves a great deal of labour in terms of re-plastering, re-painting and so on. Replacing the glass only is a tidier job and much more cost effective.

The Deputy might send me a note with the details of the company's proposal. A great deal of work is ongoing in terms of insulation initiatives, many of which are carried out under community programmes in different areas throughout the State and have been very successful. There is a challenge in that in the case of council houses built in the 1970s, for instance, some long-standing tenants still have their original windows. I would be very interested in any proposals similar to that to which the Deputy referred, as would my colleague, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte.

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