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Tuesday, 21 May 2013

Vol. 804 No. 1

Pre-European Council Meeting: Statements

The European Council will meet in Brussels tomorrow afternoon. This meeting of EU Heads of State or Government will be the third such gathering to take place while we have held the chair of the Council of the European Union. This Council will address itself to the discussion of two thematic issues - energy and taxation - both of which are critically important to improving the competitiveness of the European economy and with it the prospects for strengthened employment and growth in Europe. I welcome President Van Rompuy's choice in putting these two issues on our agenda for tomorrow. They both represent significant inputs into our efforts to make Europe more competitive in an era of intense global competition.

Energy currently presents the EU with significant competitiveness challenges, with consumers and industry facing significantly higher prices here than in the US, for example. The Union needs to address these challenges head on. We need to improve energy efficiency; we need to complete, without delay, the internal energy market; we need to ensure that investments take place in necessary infrastructure; and we have to look to diversify our energy supplies, including looking at our indigenous resources. I commend the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources on the proactive role he has taken in his chairing of the Energy Council, including in preparation for the Council meeting tomorrow.

In our discussion on taxation issues tomorrow, the focus will be firmly on improving the efficiency of tax collection and tackling tax evasion and fraud with the aim of deepening the internal market and strengthening fiscal positions in member states. Simply put, this is an issue of fairness. We cannot, on the one hand, cut expenditure and consolidate our fiscal positions, while, at the same time, see some engaged in tax evasion and fraud. Those practices should not be acceptable at any time but they are now all the more pressing to address as exchequers across the Union strive to secure their collection bases. I am glad to report to the House that again on this issue, the Irish Presidency, in the person of Minister for Finance, has taken a leadership position on this brief, in close co-operation with Commissioner Semeta.

This week's meeting of the European Council will also adopt a decision on the size of the European Commission from next year onwards. This decision will see the EU delivering on assurances given to Ireland in 2008 and 2009 that, provided the Lisbon treaty entered into force, each member state would retain the right to nominate a member of the Commission. I warmly welcome this development.

The House should be aware that I wrote last week to each of my European Council colleagues as we enter the final six weeks of the Irish Presidency of the Council. I highlighted a number of areas on which we would appreciate further support over the coming weeks. In the margins of tomorrow's meeting, I will avail of the opportunity to follow up on some of these points in discussions with my colleagues.

The energy discussion at this month's European Council is positioned clearly in the context of the EU's efforts to promote growth, jobs and competitiveness. It therefore sits well with Irish Presidency objectives.

Affordable energy supplies are crucial to the enterprise sector which will drive growth and job creation across Europe and they are, of course, crucial for European households also.

Notwithstanding recent economic turmoil, it is estimated that energy prices for industry in Europe are up more than one quarter in real terms since 2005, more than in most other advanced economies. EU gas prices last year were on average four times higher than in the USA. The European Commission has also highlighted that the US is on its way to becoming a net gas exporter, with China set to follow also. This is, therefore, an important discussion at a difficult time.

Our exchanges will be informed by the three key pillars of EU energy policy - sustainability, competitiveness and security of supply. The nature of the energy sector is such that a holistic, long-term approach must inform all short-term and medium-term decisions. One of the messages I will bring to the Council is that it is vital that we avoid short-term solutions which might not be compatible with more long-term energy goals. I see the challenge as one of striking the right balance consistent with supporting economic recovery.

It is in this context that President Van Rompuy has indicated that there are four key questions on which he aims to focus discussion and on which conclusions will be developed. The first is the issue of energy efficiency. A clear path towards more intelligent conservation of energy resources will clearly continue to pay dividends, including innovative financing of necessary retrofitting work. In Ireland, the national energy efficiency action plan, which we produced in February, reaffirms our commitment to deliver 20% energy savings by 2020. I will address this issue at tomorrow's meeting. Energy efficiency underpins security of supply in that using less energy reduces our reliance on external sources of energy. It also encourages competitiveness through increasing our economic prosperity and addresses sustainability by reducing our carbon emissions. Energy efficiency can also play an important role in mitigating current trends in energy prices while supporting local employment, in particular in construction, with the potential creation of up to 2 million jobs across Europe.

The second is the issue of EU-level legislation. This means, in particular, driving forward our work on completing the internal energy market. It is estimated that removing remaining barriers to more efficient integration of our energy markets could generate annual savings of up to €30 billion for gas and €35 billion for electricity. I expect that identifying key implementation bottlenecks here will remain an important focus.

The third is the question of unlocking new investments in terms of modernising national infrastructures and ensuring the interconnections which will support the completion of the internal energy market by 2014 - ensuring that all member states can benefit from the enhanced efficiencies of integrated markets. It is estimated that Europe will need around €1 trillion in new energy investments between now and 2020. Current investments are actually at historically low levels so we have to make sure we have the right regulatory environment to unlock these new investments in next-generation infrastructure which can also be an important driver of economic recovery. The launch of our interconnector with the UK was strategically important for Ireland. It is a €600 million project supported by the European Investment Bank adding 500 MW to Irish electricity supply by linking the all-island and UK markets and underpinning the potential for export-led development of our significant renewable energy resources which greatly exceed European averages.

The fourth issue flagged by President Van Rompuy is a related one, namely, the diversification of energy supply. He highlights both the geographical spread of EU imports and stronger development of indigenous resources. In this regard, I will highlight tomorrow the importance of meeting renewables targets and the consequential shift in the EU-wide generation mix. Ireland is at the forefront of integrating renewable energy and plans to have 40% of electricity consumption delivered by renewable energy in 2020.

Evidently, the issues in play here are very far-reaching. The world is undergoing a major energy transformation and Europe must shape its own clear response. This will mean proceeding carefully, but with a sense of purpose, and I expect that our exchanges will be constructive.

It is also clear that completing work on the internal energy market will remain of overriding importance and will continue to underpin all three pillars of EU energy policy. The Irish Presidency has already set the clear goal of agreeing conclusions on the Commission's internal energy market communication at the June Energy Council in Luxembourg. This week's European Council can be seen as providing important political orientation for that ministerial discussion next month.

As chair of the energy formation of the Transport, Telecommunications and Energy Council, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, met last Friday in Brussels with President Van Rompuy to discuss the outcome of the informal meeting of energy Ministers that took place in Dublin last month, with a view to contributing to the preparation of our discussions on energy policy tomorrow.

I have been encouraged by the recent developments and the resolve expressed by various member states, the EU institutions and globally to tackle tax fraud and evasion. To this end, I share the perspective of President Van Rompuy that it is important that we now seize the current political momentum at EU and international levels to improve the efficiency of our tax policies.

These recent developments include the announcement by Luxembourg on 10 April that it will apply, from 1 January 2015, automatic exchange of information as defined in the Savings Directive 2003/487 EU on interest payments to residents of other EU member states; the recent statements by a number of EU member states, and separately by the G20, that automatic information exchange should be the international standard; the Commission action plan to strengthen the fight against tax fraud and evasion, which prioritises agreement of the revisions to the savings directive and the mandate for negotiations with European third countries; and the agreement by Ministers at ECOFIN on 14 May on a mandate for the Commission to enter into negotiations with EU third countries on amendments to the savings tax agreements. This agreement represented welcome progress during the Irish Presidency on an issue that had been stalled for some considerable time.

We are working toward widening the scope of the savings directive and towards the global standard of automatic exchange of information to ensure solidarity between member states, a level playing field and, ultimately, a fairer environment for our citizens who are carrying a heavy tax burden. Progress on the revised savings directive and on the agreements with the five EU third countries will be a significant step in EU and international moves to tackle tax fraud and evasion.

While it was not possible to achieve final agreement on the revised savings tax directive at the May ECOFIN meeting, we will continue to work with a view to reaching political agreement on this. It is intended that next month's ECOFIN Council would also adopt the Presidency VAT anti-fraud package.

As EU Council President, we have been front and centre in pressing issues related to tax fraud and evasion, including our chairing of the working party on tax questions which deals with these issues. Like all EU member states, Ireland believes in fair tax competition and building on the work of the OECD global forum on tax transparency and the code of conduct on business taxation. Unfair tax competition is an issue that needs to be addressed.

The Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, and Commissioner Šemeta jointly wrote last month to the members of the ECOFIN Council to set out seven key areas where concrete action to combat tax fraud and evasion can be delivered in the short term. Considerable progress has already been made on these measures, with four of them having already been adopted. The Irish Presidency is convinced that agreement on all seven measures is essential in tackling trans-national tax fraud and tax evasion. This has been, and remains, a priority for our Presidency.

There has recently been considerable international interest in the taxation of the digital economy. It is clear that the digital economy has moved at a pace that international tax rules may not have fully kept pace with. While this issue needs to be looked at, the only way for measures to be effective is for countries to work together to examine these issues and to consider how international rules can be amended to ensure fair levels of taxation. This is being done at the OECD through the base erosion and profit shifting process, and this is the appropriate forum.

Before concluding on taxation matters, I must make it very clear that matters of direct taxation remain the sole competence of member states and Ireland would not support an alteration to the unanimity requirement in this area. This view is shared by most member states.

Taxation is a powerful economic tool and retaining the right of member states to decide taxation rules and levels allows member states to take account of their differing positions in the economic and business cycle.

It is clear that when it comes to combating tax evasion and fraud, a great deal can and should be done in close co-operation with our EU and international partners. As the holder of the EU Council Presidency, Ireland has been and will remain at the forefront of these efforts. In this regard, I warmly welcome the priority that Prime Minister Cameron has given to co-operation on taxation issues ahead of next month's G8 meeting in Lough Erne, County Fermanagh.

As I have mentioned, tomorrow's European Council meeting will adopt a decision on the size of the European Commission from 2014 onwards. The House will recall that the provisions of the Lisbon treaty stipulated that the number of Commissioners would fall from 2014 onwards unless the European Council decided unanimously this would not be the case. That is exactly what happened in December 2008 and June 2009, when the European Council noted the concerns of the Irish people with respect to the Lisbon treaty and agreed that, provided the Lisbon treaty entered into force, a decision would be taken in accordance with the necessary legal procedures to the effect that the Commission would continue to include one national of each member state. I warmly welcome the decision being taken tomorrow. It represents yet another clear case of the EU delivering on its promises to the Irish people.

I mentioned at the outset that I wrote last week to each of my colleagues in the Council as we enter the final stages of the Irish Presidency of the EU. I expressed my appreciation for the excellent level of co-operation we have received. I also highlighted a number of areas on which we would appreciate further support over the coming weeks. To this end, I identified a range of files on which we hope to make progress, including measures that will boost employment and help businesses to grow. Some of the measures in question are in the Single Market area, especially the digital Single Market. I highlighted the importance of concluding a draft negotiating mandate for the transatlantic trade and investment partnership between the EU and the US to keep up the momentum on this golden opportunity to give the economies on both sides of the Atlantic a real boost through a comprehensive trade deal.

I have sought the continued support of my EU colleagues for our efforts as the holder of the EU Presidency to reach a final agreement with the European Parliament on the multi-annual financial framework. A seven-year framework would contribute to the restoration of stability in the Union. It would show Europe and the rest of the world that we are serious about putting in place a medium-term budget for the Union to fund the wide array of areas on which we look to the Union, including research and innovation, the Common Agricultural Policy, cohesion, support for small and medium-sized enterprises, including through the COSME programme, and investment in infrastructure. I will follow up on each of these points with my colleagues in the margins of tomorrow's meeting in Brussels.

I intend to play a proactive and constructive part in tomorrow's meeting in both of my roles. I refer to my role in Ireland's holding of the Presidency of the Council and my national role. I will do that throughout the discussions on each of the agenda items. By dealing with the issue of energy policy and combating of tax evasion and fraud, we can contribute much more to improving our competitiveness and thereby supporting employment and growth across the Union. I will, of course, report back to the House on this meeting of the European Council.

I think the Taoiseach said on the Order of Business that he had requests from this side of the House on the matter of the statement to be made by the Minister, Deputy Shatter. No such request was made by our party. I want to state that on the record.

I said there was "a request". I did not say it came from the Deputy's party.

Yes. I just want to clarify it from our point of view. The indication was that there were numerous requests.

The Deputy would not listen to what I had to say.

I think there was one request.

I never suggested that the Deputy's Whip asked for it.

Over the past five years-----

It was the other Whip over there and other Members who made the request. I was very happy to comply with it.

It was a good stroke, Taoiseach.

It is the reality, Deputy, not a stroke.

It was a stroke. Over the last five years, the greatest failure of Europe’s leaders has been to fall back into complacency after every period of turmoil. The agenda for tomorrow’s meeting of the Council might be the worst example of this so far. Since the Council last met, it has been confirmed that over 27 million Europeans are unemployed. Growth projections in key economies, the eurozone and the Union as a whole have been cut. Capital controls remain in place in member states to ensure they do not have to leave the common currency. The Union’s budget, which is already inadequate for what is required, has been delayed. The essential elements of a strong banking union continue to be undermined. Vital decisions have been fudged.

When the leaders of Europe fly to Brussels tomorrow, they will spend nearly all their time talking about tax collection and energy. I accept that both issues are serious. They are part of an overall economic package, but they are nowhere near the centre of the urgent and ambitious actions which are desperately needed. This is not the agenda of leaders who understand the growing demands of citizens. It shows a failure to understand that the sole focus on ways to deepen the Internal Market ignores the core problems facing Europe. Nothing that is to be discussed tomorrow will have an impact on growth or jobs in the near and immediate future. They may have an impact in the longer term. Nobody here or in Brussels has been willing to estimate their immediate impact. It is an agenda of leaders acting as if they have all the time in the world and no urgent business.

The Taoiseach has repeatedly told us about the laser-like focus on getting Europe through the crisis by delivering growth and jobs. This summit is indistinguishable from one which would have been produced without any national Presidency. There is nothing to be discussed which has not been working its way through the system for some time, ready to appear when space is available. A few weeks ago, the Tánaiste was busy jumping on the anti-hegemony bandwagon. He told us without any doubt that the Government’s policy is to push for a new economic policy at European level. If this policy is nowhere to be seen when we hold the Presidency of the Council, when will it appear? The agenda for this summit is exactly as it was intended when President Van Rompuy announced a work programme a year ago. When one steps away from the repetitive briefings about major breakthroughs, all one sees is the slow implementation of policy that has already been agreed.

It is a pity that much of our Presidency is being devoted to trying to push the European Parliament to sign off on a damaging budget agreement. At a time when Europe needs investment, the Union’s budget will implement a cut in investment, with the proportionately largest cuts hitting essential areas such as rural supports and research. Ireland should be supporting the position of the European Parliament in trying to lessen the damage done by the agreement, particularly in the immediate future. Equally, we should have used our position in the Presidency to propose a more fundamental review of the budget. This should have placed a new focus on ensuring the Union can play more than a minor role in helping the regions that are suffering most in the recession. Spending €144 a year to help each young unemployed person is not even a token attempt to directly alleviate these deep problems. The reality is that our Presidency is deepening the existing reliance on a single-track policy of integrated markets as the only answer.

It is agreed that the lack of a banking union was one of the major factors that caused the financial crisis. It also had a role in causing the wider economic crisis. Last year's political agreement to move forward with a banking union was an important part in stabilising the sovereign debt markets. Just as the agreement has helped, the failure to implement it in a sufficiently timely or comprehensive manner could cause considerable damage. I have spoken at length about the elements that are required for a durable banking union that supports growth rather than threatens it. As things stand, each of the pillar elements of a uniform resolution, deposit insurance and oversight regime has been watered down significantly. Last week, Mr. Schäuble again repeated his belief that a new treaty is required before these elements can be properly implemented. If this approach wins out, it could lead directly to a major escalation of the crisis the next time a bank is in difficulty or the market loses confidence in the ability of national governments to address emerging financial pressures. This is not an abstract issue. Europe cannot return to jobs and growth until it has a stable financial system which has the ability and confidence to lend. This cannot happen without the banking union. We need it now. The failure to seriously address the delay in implementing the banking union, or the watering down of the plans for such a union, represent a failure for this summit before it has begun.

The holding of these pre-Council debates was presented as a major reform and an increase in parliamentary accountability. The reality is that there is no accountability. All we get from the Taoiseach is a statement about how everything is moving smoothly and great things are being decided. No national position on the main items to be discussed is circulated. All the information we receive before these debates comes from Brussels. As I have said, the annotated draft agenda for tomorrow’s meeting is very limited. Everyone agrees that having a market which delivers sustainable, secure and affordable energy is important for Europe.

The Lisbon treaty extended the European Union’s competence in this area and it is necessary to move it forward. No information has been supplied on any specific matter to be discussed at the summit in regard to the energy sector. Therefore, we have to assume this is just a formal review rather than a substantive agenda item. The paperwork refers to reducing the cost of energy in the years after 2014 if the Internal Market reforms are implemented next year. This confirms that it has nothing to do with the immediate task of achieving recovery through job creation and growth.

The summit will move forward the recent Commission proposal on fighting tax fraud and improper evasion. It requires significant detailed evaluation to ensure this is exactly what it will do. On the face of it, most of the proposed measures seem reasonable. They involve more systematic co-operation between tax authorities in the different member states and common standards in terms of transparency. These are the measures which deserve widespread support and they should both be uncontroversial and involve little or no administrative burden on businesses.

The principle that tax laws should be applied fairly, transparently and comprehensively is a good one and the bulk of the proposed actions will help us in the fight against the black economy. What this must not be allowed to be confused with is the much wider and more significant debate about tax competition. The obsessive pursuit of an agenda of tax harmonisation by some countries has completely distorted the economic agenda of the European Union, side-tracking it onto an issue which is completely marginal to the task of improving the short and long-term growth potential of the Union. What they have been seeking is uniformity on a scale not even found in the world’s oldest currency union, the United States of America. The various states have the ability to compete on taxes and subventions in a way that is impossible in Europe. Delaware is home to the nominal headquarters of the majority of major US firms. Other states are in a position to offer direct subsidies to companies to get them to move and they can go as far as involving zero tax and welfare contributions. Europe takes a middle approach which allows tax competition but does not allow it to involve subsidies or distort the ability of firms based in other countries to compete. No study has yet been produced anywhere which shows that enforcing tax harmonisation delivers a single job in Europe, but what it would do is directly undermine the economies of some peripheral economies. As long as the Commission limits its proposals to evasion and fraud, time can be freed up for more productive discussions on the issues which will actually have an impact on the European Union’s future.

The rising humanitarian crisis surrounding the Syrian conflict should be raised during the final session of the summit. The latest information is that aid agencies working with hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in Lebanon and Jordan are in need of urgent assistance. Rising summer temperatures and poor conditions mean they are facing more serious health risks than can be controlled and immediate action is needed. Ireland should support an urgent release of extra funding and, if required, personnel to prevent a further tragedy emerging. We should also support the efforts of the US Secretary of State, Mr. John Kerry, to inject greater urgency into the proposed peace conference. Unlike other such conferences, this one is not dealing with a conflict that has continued for many years but one which is in great danger of escalating even further. The reported decision of Russia to effectively provide open-ended military support for the regime could have a grave impact in reducing the willingness of the regime to embrace a negotiated settlement. Europe’s leaders should again reassert the fundamental principle that the Syrian people have the right to live in a democratic country free from repression.

I wish to share time with Deputy Seán Crowe.

It is nearly 12 months since the Taoiseach returned to the Dáil announcing a seismic shift, a game changer. He told us he had secured the separation of sovereign debt from banking debt and that our banks would be recapitalised retrospectively. However, 12 months on, we are no clearer on how much of the €30 billion of taxpayers' money which the Government and its Fianna Fáil predecessors put into the pillar banks will be returned. Will this issue be considered at the Council meeting?

Will the Council discuss the situation in Cyprus and the impact the bailout programme is having on the people and economy of that state? The European Union monumentally mishandled the situation in Cyprus, to the great cost of its people. The Taoiseach raised serious question marks about how further bank recapitalisation might be handled in this or other states.

I note the EU budget or the multi-annual financial framework does not form part of the European Council agenda. Perhaps the Taoiseach might give us some sense of whether the budget will be agreed under the auspices and during the term of the Irish Presidency. Is there a danger that programmes funded from the EU budget such as the PEACE programme will experience delays in funding which may have an impact on projects to be delivered? The Taoiseach will know that there are many sections of society dependent on the EU budget, particularly in rural Ireland. Farmers and others who benefit from rural development programmes need to be assured that these schemes will be remain in place. We all know farmers have been under serious pressure in recent weeks and months owing to the ongoing fodder crisis and they estimate the crisis may cost as much as €900 million. Has the Government raised the possibility of providing support from the EU Solidarity Fund to support the farming community through the crisis? The Commission has moved to put in place transition measures for direct payments in 2014 and 2015, which is to be welcomed.

As the Taoiseach detailed, this week’s European Council is focused on tax policy, with a particular focus on how to improve the efficiency of tax collection and how best to tackle tax evasion and fraud. As we discussed earlier, there has been a degree of controversy, particularly in Britain in recent weeks, about tax avoidance by large US multinationals such as Google, Amazon and Starbucks. Last night, it emerged at a US Senate hearing that Apple had negotiated a special corporation tax rate of 2% or less here in this State.

That is not true.

The Taoiseach says it is not true and he could be right, but the fact is that, if he is right, this needs to be corrected. The US Senate report also states Apple uses what it describes as tax havens such as this State, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The Taoiseach says the tax regime here is transparent and based on statute, but it seems these statutes permit tax-avoidance strategies. There is a world of difference between maintaining a competitive tax regime and colluding with companies in order that they can avoid paying tax. The reality is that many large companies are using tax loopholes and reliefs to lower their effective tax rate well below the 12.5% corporation tax rate. God knows how many other companies are benefiting from this regime through their aggressive tax-avoidance strategies. There is always a temptation for a government, particularly a government such as the Taoiseach's, to bend to the will of companies which are threatening to pull out unless they get their way in terms of their tax strategies. While it may be that the tax system is transparent, it is transparently flawed. It is not fair and we need a better system. There has never been a system so nakedly designed to legalise tax avoidance and tax limiting. Moreover, who is it for? The tax take does not reflect the level of business multinationals do here and the job numbers are not reflected in the level of business on which the Government justifies doing these deals. Who exactly is writing the Government's tax code? Everyone should pay his or her fair share and that includes these very profitable companies. At a time when people across the State are struggling with hikes in PRSI, VAT, motor tax, the new family home tax and threatened water charges, these big companies should not be allowed to avoid their obligations.

In the past few years there has been a huge increase in royalty payments being repatriated out of the State, yet, at the same time, our corporation tax take has decreased. It is obvious that while some tax reliefs serve a useful social or economic reason, others simply fly in the face of reason. Take, for example, the Government’s special assignee relief programme, SARP. This was a key part of the 2012 budget and supposed to be a job creation measure. However, while the number of jobs created under the scheme is approximately 26, income write-offs are granted to high earning executives and, on average, beneficiaries receive an additional €20,000 income tax-free, despite earning an average figure of over €130,000.

That €20,000 would be far more beneficial going into struggling indigenous SMEs. Questions have also been raised about the shadow banking sector. A modest sized building in the IFSC hosts 250 financial services companies but the reality is that many of them do not have staff or desks and pay little or no tax. The shadow banking sector in this State is valued at about €1.7 trillion, which is ten times our annual GNP.

I am all for job creation and Sinn Féin has always applauded jobs when they have been brought here by dint of local efforts or those of the Government and other agencies. I know there have been huge job losses among bank employees and others in the financial sector who were not responsible for the crash. However, it was the unregulated nature of this sector that led to the crash so we should not be mesmerised by what is happening now. These sectors need to be regulated and pay their fair share of tax.

I welcome the fact that this issue is being considered at this week's European Council but it needs to be dealt with in a way that is not a cover for attacking our 12.5% corporation tax rate. The problem is not the rate but the variety of mechanisms that allow companies to avoid paying anything like the 12.5% rate, which means that ordinary citizens are then forced to pick up the tab with more taxes and austerity.

How much time is left?

I noted from the Taoiseach's speech that this week's European Council meeting will discuss tax policy, with a particular focus on tax collection and combatting tax evasion and fraud. As other speakers have said, it is a timely discussion. This topic has been discussed with multinationals in parliaments in other European states and the US and some of the findings have been disturbing, with tax evasion and Ireland being linked in more than one parliament committee hearing. According to Herman Van Rompuy, a staggering €1 trillion is lost to tax evasion every year in EU member states. This is seven times' the entire annual budget of the EU. I heard the Taoiseach dispute reports by the US Congress concerning Apple. Today would have been an ideal opportunity to rubbish or respond to those charges that have been in the media over the weekend.

In the UK last week, the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee struggled to understand how Google could have a large sales staff in Britain operating to sales targets and receiving commission as a large part of their income and yet pay next to no tax on sales of about €4.7 billion there. Like people in the UK, people in Ireland and other EU countries are asking how this can happen. We were told that Google was able to do that because of our supposedly lax and light-touch tax regime. Although this State has avoided being labelled a tax haven by international bodies such as the OECD, some academics and high profile economists believe that we are - without the obvious benefits of Caribbean weather.

It seems that we are operating two very different tax systems, one for big multinational corporations and a second more onerous system for smaller companies and individuals. This is not a fair system of commerce and is undoubtedly hurting our domestic economy. It is also hurting PAYE workers, many of whom already feel that the tax system is unfair and unjust and puts a heavy burden on low and middle income workers. SMEs are finding it increasingly difficult to set up or continue in business in Ireland due to the high costs they incur and they cannot avail of these lavish schemes. This is contributing to our stagnant economy and keeping unemployment at 14%. PAYE workers are also bearing the brunt of tax increases and social spending cuts that this Government has implemented, yet wealthy influential corporations are able to escape without paying their fair share through loopholes or other tax-avoidance measures.

Investments from multinational corporations in Ireland have provided much for the State in terms of job creation and payroll taxes and these jobs must be protected. However, our corporation tax is low by international standards and cannot be undermined further. This whole issue is about protecting the fairness and credibility of our tax system. People want to see this in respect of these major companies as well.

The Taoiseach needs to ensure that the sacrifices of honest taxpayers who are struggling to make ends meet are not propping up these global giants. Europe and Ireland must pursue a new global system where multinationals publish their revenues, profits and other key corporate information which would be useful to revenue authorities in each country in which they are based and operate. Will the Taoiseach argue that it should be made a legal requirement for multinationals operating in Ireland and the EU to disclose details of any tax avoidance schemes they are using globally at this European Council meeting? All EU countries need to improve their tax collection efficiency and tackle tax evasion and fraud because it is ordinary workers and their families who are paying for the shortfall in revenue.

We know that this also impacts on developing countries. Many of these countries have massive resources but people living in dire poverty are gaining little benefit because of tax dodgers and blatant corruption. Tax evasion and avoidance and transfer pricing cost developing countries billions, if not trillions, of euros every year. Efficient and fair tax systems in developing countries are essential components for sustainable growth, poverty reduction and the provision of basic services.

Multinational companies should be required to declare the tax and other payments that they make to governments in all countries in which they operate. Will the Taoiseach also raise this issue at the Council meeting and take the opportunity to rubbish or address many of the claims that have been made in parliaments not only in Europe, but in the US, over the past few days?

The next speaker is Deputy Catherine Murphy who I understand is sharing time with Deputy Mattie McGrath. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Many of us expected that the Irish Presidency would help to set the agenda in our own favour to some extent but it is clear that we are most definitely not setting the agenda. If countries like Germany, France and the Netherlands had anything like the level of debts or joblessness we have, we would hear about it and these items would be constantly on the agenda. I can write this out and send it to the Taoiseach. The three issues being debated next week are clearly important but in the overall scheme of things and certainly in countries like ours, they are lower on the pecking order. That will be seen when it comes to the European elections next year.

It is very important that we do not put our heads in the sand with regard to tax evasion and dismiss it as though it is something we are not in the spotlight for. It is no accident that this is being debated in both the US and the UK at the moment. We need to take a hard look at that. We are asking citizens to pay more and more. One cannot at the same time rationalise how even the effective rate of taxation is not being paid by many of these multinational companies. Some of them, not necessarily those in the spotlight, are located in my constituency and the jobs they provide are very welcome. We would be remiss to think that the only reason they locate in this country is because of the favourable tax rate. Robert Shapiro, who has been a special adviser to many US presidents, most recently President Obama, has spoken about Ireland's great attraction being the important public investments in education and infrastructure, particularly in technology, and the fact that Ireland is a stepping stone into the EU. Barry O'Leary, the CEO of the IDA, has spoken about how tax is just one element of attracting FDI and that if it was the only basis for investment, we would lose out to other countries.

We continue to deny ourselves the benefits of tax revenues that could provide science labs in schools which the Minister for Education and Skills has said he cannot fund. The 2012 OECD study on online digital literacy found that 62.9% of Irish school students are using computers, a percentage significantly below the OECD average of 74.2%. The managing director of Microsoft noted that we are not doing enough to increase our technology capabilities. The income from companies such as Microsoft is needed to increase our capabilities in this regard considering the limited base for raising further revenue from very hard-pressed taxpayers.

We need to have a mature debate about what we need from the multinational sector in order to provide both indigenous and further multinational companies with the throughput of suitably qualified workers for the jobs that are advertised outside the country because of the lack of suitably qualified candidates here.

Europe needs to become energy efficient through the use of renewable energy. I refer to countries whose natural assets make them best placed to provide energy from natural resources, including solar energy in Spain and Portugal and wind and wave energy in Ireland, Scotland and Norway. However, there does not appear to be targeted investment in countries with high levels of unemployment and debt who do not have the funding which would deliver a return on the very thing that will be debated at the weekend.

I find it very disconcerting when making my contribution that no attention is being paid by those opposite.

My final point is about the ongoing debate about European monetary union. In my view, we are being walked into a political union even though we may not want to be involved in a deeper political union. However, the treaty to be put to the Irish people will be a fait accompli. They will not have any input into the process which will be agreed behind closed doors. That is a very dangerous situation. It has been the case in the past that the Irish people have been forced to have a second vote on European treaties. We need to have a better understanding and a better public engagement on the implications of a deeper monetary union. We are being moved towards a situation in which we may not wish to participate.

Tá brón orm go bhfuil an Taoiseach imithe. One could be forgiven for believing one is waking up from a very bad dream. We have heard it all before and we are walking around in a haze and a fog. I am sure the Taoiseach must pinch himself most mornings when he wakes up. He must ask if it is true that he is the Taoiseach of the country. He now has his opportunity as the boss in Europe. He must ask himself if he is delivering for the Irish people. As I have noted previously in this House, he has been given one of the finest mandates ever received by any Government.

The Taoiseach is a Mayo man and I compliment County Mayo on its huge defeat of Galway. However, the Taoiseach looks more like the Galway team in his feeble efforts in the Presidency. I was not at the match but I heard snippets of commentary-----

Clearly, the Deputy is never for Galway.

I wish Galway no ill will and I hope they will come back from it. Tipperary beat Waterford two years ago and it was the worst thing that ever happened us. A victory like that is not good for anyone. They were out on the field but they had neither design, vision, energy nor enthusiasm. They thought they would change the game play in the second half. What hope have we in the next few months because I know the Taoiseach will make no effort to change because he is on his merry little-----

Bring back Pádraig Joyce.

Yes; I agree. I have no expertise in Galway or Connacht football; I am just using it as a comparison. There is no sign of any stability in the banking system. We are drifting. Does the State have sufficient funds to cover the bank guarantee for deposits? I have been informed that there are not sufficient funds. I ask the Minister of State to tell the people the situation. We saw what happened in Cyprus. Will the same situation be visited on our ordinary people? Cyprus let the genie out of the bottle as far as solidarity in the EU is concerned. This is a concern for Irish taxpayers and Irish savers. We have shouldered enough of the blame and the cost. There is widespread and wholesale shenanigans and blackguarding with regard to the banking institutions in this country. I refer to what Bank of Scotland Ireland did to this country and now they are codding the British taxpayers. I have contacted the chairperson of the Commons committee who grilled the boss of Google last week. I do not wish to hunt Google or to damage anything in this country, but fair play is fine play. The same laws must apply to the big the same as the small people, the little people as I like to call them.

The Minister for Finance is not in the Chamber. I ask the Minister of State if Ulster Bank and Permanent TSB are safe. Are they going under? I do not wish to be alarmist or to upset people. I ask if we have the wherewithal to save any other banks, although it seems we will not be allowed to save them as a result of what happened in Cyprus. We saved them all at a massive cost. I voted for it because I was told it was Armageddon and we had nothing else. None the less, they have codded us all the way since then and are continuing to do so.

The is no sign of anything happening with regard to stability in the banking system. There is no solidarity. There is a fodder crisis because the grass is not growing but there is less growth in the banks. Promises have been made about their ability to lend and their interest in supporting viable and struggling businesses. The Minister and the Taoiseach have the opportunity. The Taoiseach welcomed Mr. Van Rompuy's decision to put energy and taxation on the agenda. However, we are not making a very good job of energy regulation in our own country. Successive Ministers have failed to tackle the monopoly positions of the ESB and Bord Gáis. We know all about taxation in this country, even double and treble taxation. We now have a chance to make our play. The Taoiseach could regain his credibility and some composure as being a representative of the sovereign people of this country. I will not mention the names of any magazines in case I say the wrong one but he should not be on the front cover of all kinds of magazines and going to Boston College and getting claps on the back. I wish him well and congratulate him but that is not what the people want. They want bread and butter on the table, they want to see hope and vision. They want to see money for the education system to which Deputy Murphy referred and which should be educating our people in the skills to deal with foreign companies. We have been told many times that companies cannot source the right employees among our college graduates. This is alarming. We need to see timely investment in the education system.

There will be a discussion about a fair taxation system for all of Europe but we do not have this at home. Farm Contractors of Ireland, FCI, lobbied the Minister for Finance and every Government backbencher and Minister before the budget.

It is simple and basic - game over - to provide that everybody must have an invoice. I acknowledge that, for some reason, the IFA lobbied against it, but that was not obtained in the budget. It is a pity I do not have the letter the IFA received from the Minister for Finance to read out what the IFA did get. There is a glaring anomaly in our taxation system and if we addressed it, we could get rid of a large part of the black economy overnight. Instead, the Minister wrote back to say he would not do it and advised and encouraged contractors to become informers to police the black economy. It is patent nonsense from the Minister who will be representing us at the European Council and talking about fairness in taxation. We should get our own house in order and examine it to provide some bit of solace to hard-pressed people involved in agriculture and the farming community.

The fodder crisis has not been addressed or dealt with. We have been tinkering around with it for two or three months while Rome - Ireland - burns in a haze of no growth, like the yellow carpet here. A serious situation is being predicted by everybody, including Teagasc, and we are going to have a major problem going into next winter and the following year. Why has the Taoiseach failed to convene the infrastructural strategic committee here as I have requested several times? Why has he not gone to our EU partners, especially given his position as the man in charge, to ask them to support Ireland and its agricultural industry through the European Union Solidarity Fund, EUSF, which exists for that reason? Why has he not impressed this on his colleagues in Europe, who are here often enough? If he hired a bus or helicopter to bring them down the country or to one of the knackeries that are full, they would not be long getting the reality for desperate farmers who are calling social services and helplines because they cannot provide for their animals. The farmers are ready and willing. Talk of CAP negotiations and reform will all be wasted if we do not intervene to implore and insist that the European Union Solidarity Fund is used to support our agricultural industry - not just farmers - as it is the backbone of the country. When the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance get the courage and the EU accepts that there is an emergency here, there should be no shame in it. It is a weather-related problem that prevents the farming community from providing for their animals.

The Government should insist that the EUSF comes in here in a meaningful way and recognises that there is a crisis in a member state. As with the banking crisis, this is a serious crisis of very significant proportions going forward. The Government must insist that the EU accepts that we have a national crisis and that regulations must be lifted for the moment. I am not saying anyone should get away with an irregularity, but farm payments must be front-loaded and paid out to people who are desperately in need of them. The banks are beyond talking about. I do not know what we will do with them given that we cannot get our own banking situation in order. The solidarity fund must be used. The Taoiseach must impress that on people. It is fine to bring his colleagues over every so often to entertain them at Dublin Castle. I am delighted that many musicians and dancers from Tipperary, the Brú Boru centre and Comhaltas were brought to entertain them, but it is time to stop the dancing and tell them the real message of our need for hope and support. We must get it. We are not looking for anything special; we are entitled to this as a European partner.

I thank all those who contributed to today's debate. To respond briefly to Deputy Mattie McGrath, when the banks were re-capitalised in 2011, they were overcapitalised at the time. In the context of us returning to the bond market, there would be further stress testing done in relation to the banks anyway. In June, there will be a full discussion at the European Council on banking union, which will be a further opportunity to have another look at the banking situation.

As the Taoiseach said at the start of this debate, tomorrow's meeting of the European Council will concentrate on two thematic issues, energy and taxation, and will, certainly, be no less important than those recent meetings which found themselves dealing with matters requiring an urgent response. The importance of these two issues to the short, medium and long-term competitiveness of Europe simply cannot be overestimated. It is thus to be warmly welcomed that European Union leaders will have the opportunity to sit down tomorrow in Brussels to provide strategic guidance on how the EU's approach to energy can better deliver competitive improvements which feed into enhanced growth and employment across our Continent. At this meeting, the Taoiseach and his colleagues will reflect on how EU partners can work together to combat tax fraud and evasion. Such practices are never acceptable but at times of consolidation and fiscal retrenchment where budgets are being cut, we must redouble our efforts to co-operate to protect our tax base to the maximum extent possible. While we are talking here about a fundamental issue of fairness, we are also talking about the negative impact that tax evasion and fraud can have on our economies in terms of lost competitiveness, lost jobs and lost growth potential.

The draft conclusions for tomorrow's meeting were worked on earlier today by Ministers in Brussels at this meeting of the General Affairs Council which was chaired by the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Eamon Gilmore. I understand that Ministers had a very useful exchange today on the draft conclusions and that it is the intention of President Van Rompuy-----

Is there a telephone around the Minister of State, affecting the microphone?

It is a piece of surveillance equipment left there by the Minister, Deputy Shatter.

We are being bugged.

The Minister of State is being bugged.

We are back to the 1980s.

I think it was coming from the other side.

It is coming from the Minister of State's side these days.

The listening devices are on the Minister of State's side.

It used to be transparent when we were on that side.

I understand that Ministers had a very useful exchange today on the draft conclusions and that it is the intention of President Van Rompuy to encourage a strategic exchange among leaders on both of tomorrow's important thematic issues. The European Council discussions on energy will be clearly positioned in the context of the European Union's efforts to promote growth, jobs and competitiveness, all of which are consistent with Irish Presidency objectives. In fact, that has been our main focus. A great deal of preparatory work for tomorrow's meeting had been done on the energy side by the Irish Presidency and the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, including during the informal meeting of energy Ministers held in Dublin Castle last month. On that occasion, Ministers discussed the use of smart technologies to control energy consumption, the impact of unconventional oil and gas on security of supply, competitiveness and prices, financing energy efficiency and the integration of intermittent renewables. In Dublin, member states confirmed that the level of ambition in unlocking investment must be underpinned not only by regulatory certainty, but also rigorous analysis of the costs and benefits associated with the different possible approaches to new and existing energy policies, especially where new opportunities and technologies are being exploited. The Minister, Deputy Rabbitte, shared these perspectives with President Van Rompuy when they met in Brussels last Friday. He also highlighted the key role to be played by energy efficiency, which is critical to security of supply, improved competitiveness and enhanced sustainability. Energy efficiency is something we can be getting on with now, creating jobs while facilitating significant savings over the medium term. The Taoiseach has said he will be making these points in Brussels tomorrow.

Tomorrow's discussion of taxation matters by leaders is to be wholeheartedly welcomed. Indeed, there is a discussion on the same issues today in the EU Parliament. It is not in the interest of any EU member state government to see tax evasion and fraud being perpetrated. This is a classic example of an area in which co-operation makes sense. Together, we can achieve a degree of coverage and enforcement which no single member state could manage on its own. Evasion and fraud are not victimless crimes. On the contrary, they have a potentially significant number of victims and negative and damaging repercussions throughout society. As Presidency, Ireland and the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, have been at the forefront of progressing efforts in conjunction with Commission to strengthen efforts to combat tax evasion and fraud. Together with Commissioner Šemeta, Deputy Noonan wrote last month to his ECOFIN colleagues identifying seven key areas where concrete action can be delivered in the short term. The House will be satisfied to hear that, already, four of the seven measures have been delivered while work is ongoing to deliver on those which remain outstanding.

The House should be 100% reassured that matters of direct taxation remain the sole competence of member states.

The Government, together with a strong majority of member states, would not support an alteration to the unanimity requirement in this field, but Ireland and our EU and international partners have a great deal to benefit from strengthened co-operation to counter tax fraud and evasion.

The European Union is not the only international forum in which these issues are dealt with. The OECD, of which Ireland is a member, plays a leading role in a number of related areas, including the consideration of base erosion and profit shifting, BEPS. The G20 and the G8 are also grappling with these issues, and this will be one of the key items on the agenda of G8 leaders when they gather at Lough Erne, County Fermanagh, next month. Tomorrow's discussion at the European Council promises to provide a useful range of orientations on these two policy areas which have important potential to support the enhancement of the European Union's competitiveness and efforts to stimulate and support job creation and growth across Europe.

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