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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD debate -
Wednesday, 28 Feb 2007

Diseases of Animals Act 1966: Motion.

The next item on the agenda is consideration of a motion re section 17A of the Diseases of Animals Act 1966. Members will be aware that the motion which was referred to the joint committee for consideration by Dáil Éireann and Seanad Éireann reads as follows:

That section 17A (inserted by section 2(1) of the Diseases of Animals (Amendment) Act 2001) (No. 3 of 2001)) of the Diseases of Animals Act 1966 (No. 6 of 1966) shall continue in force for the period ending on 8 March, 2008.

A briefing note has been circulated. I welcome the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Coughlan, and her officials. I ask the Minister to make her opening remarks on the motion, which will be followed by questions from members. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I thank the joint committee for facilitating this discussion. I am here to seek its agreement to the adoption by both Houses of a resolution for the continuation in force of section 17A of the Diseases of Animals Act 1966, as inserted by section 2 of the Diseases of Animals (Amendment) Act 2001, which provided that the provision would remain in force for 12 months from the date of its passing. Section 2 of the Act also provides for the continuation, by resolution of both Houses of the Oireachtas, of this provision for such further period as is expressed in the resolution. Since 2002, the provision has been extended annually. The motion relates to securing the agreement of both Houses to a further 12 months extension.

Members will recall that it was against the background of the foot and mouth disease outbreak of 2001 that the Diseases of Animals Act 1966 was amended by the Diseases of Animals (Amendment) Act 2001, which added a number of measures to the principal Act, including the section 17A provision. Section 17A provides for the appointment by the Minister of a range of persons or classes to be "authorised officers" and confers on them powers to be exercised in cases of reasonable suspicion that an animal disease is or may be present or that an offence is being or may be committed under the 1966 Act or EU rules. It is important to appreciate that the section is not confined exclusively to foot and mouth disease but is applicable to the range of other diseases covered by the Act, including, significantly at this time, EIA, avian influenza and, potentially, bluetongue.

Ireland confirmed its first cases of EIA on 15 June 2006, following the death of a horse at an equine hospital in County Meath. A total of 28 cases have been confirmed, the most recent on 10 December 2006. In the period since last September, during which three cases were confirmed, the interval between any two cases has been over 20 days; almost 80 days have elapsed since the most recent case. The increasing interval between cases, at a time of significant blood sampling and testing, gives us confidence that this outbreak has been contained. The efficient way my Department dealt with the outbreak was due in no small part to the powers afforded to veterinary inspectors under the Act. While my Department's priority in terms of EIA has been speedy and complete eradication, the powers of section 17A have also been invoked in the conduct of an investigation into the outbreak. In this regard, I refer, in particular, to the provisions under subsection (8) to produce documents and give information to an authorised officer upon request.

Avian influenza was in the news again earlier this month as a result of an outbreak of the H5N1 strain in a commercial poultry plant in Suffolk, England. The emergence of this disease in our neighbouring EU member state follows a period of relative stability in Europe when there were no cases or outbreaks from August last until the single outbreak in a commercial geese flock in Hungary in late January. Members will recall that there were cases or outbreaks of avian influenza in 14 of the then member states in 2006. My Department maintains a consistent approach to the threat posed by avian influenza, introducing a series of precautionary measures, including the formation of an expert advisory group, ongoing surveillance and the establishment of a poultry register. I also adopted four new regulations that provide the most up-to-date basis for actions to be taken in the event of a case of avian influenza in wild birds or an outbreak in poultry. My Department reviews its contingency arrangements regularly and maintains contact with Departments and agencies that would assist us in the event of an outbreak in Ireland.

It is in dealing with diseases such as EIA or avian influenza, diseases with the potential to greatly harm the bloodstock industry or threaten the health of the Irish poultry flock, that the provisions of section 17A would have a crucial role to play. By enabling authorised officers to deal effectively and speedily with diseases with obvious economic consequences for agriculture, as in the case of avian influenza, which has the potential to be a public health risk, we are ensuring we are well prepared to deal with all eventualities.

Bluetongue, an infectious, non-contagious, insect-borne virus disease of ruminants, has recently become a cause for concern, with the disease being detected in northern Europe for the first time in 2006. All ruminants, including sheep, cattle and goats, are susceptible to this infection. It has never been recorded in the United Kingdom or Ireland but recent confirmed cases in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France refute the belief previously held that the disease was confined to the warmer climates of southern Europe. The emergence of the disease at higher latitudes represents an increased risk to other countries in northern Europe, including Ireland. In response, the Department has initiated a three-year surveillance programme of potential disease vectors and is arranging for the updating of our preparedness to deal with any cases that might arise. I take this opportunity to stress the importance of preparedness for a possible outbreak of bluetongue in Ireland, as the consequences of such an outbreak would be potentially devastating and could compromise the entire export of live cattle, valued at €110 million in 2006. The availability of section 17A could prove to be a very useful tool, either as part of the Department's surveillance programme or, particularly, in the event of an outbreak of the disease.

Section 17A has been used sparingly. Although many may argue this as a reason for its discontinuance, I argue that it demonstrates the responsibility of the Department and its officials. Our disposition at all times is to act reasonably and responsibly with regard to the circumstances in which it is appropriate that certain powers should be exercised. It is appropriate that, given the powers conferred by the section, the Houses of the Oireachtas should have the opportunity to review them periodically and consider the propriety of their being retained. It was for this reason that the Government proposed an amendment to the 2001 Bill to allow the Houses of the Oireachtas to review the section 17A provision after 12 months. That is the reason we are dealing with the motion. While advocating retention of the provision for a further year, I do so not for the sake of doing so but because of a genuine belief it is a necessary measure to have available to us. Similar provisions are included in other legislation such as the Animal Remedies Act. There are safeguards attached to the section 17A provision, for example, an authorised officer must have a reasonable suspicion before acting, while in the case of entry to a private dwelling, a search warrant is required. Members can be assured that the powers provided under the section will continue to be used sparingly and only in such circumstances as are appropriate and contemplated by law.

Animal diseases pose a continuing threat to animal and, potentially, human health. They also pose an economic threat, in the case of poultry, to a vulnerable but important part of the agri-food sector and, in the case of horses, to Ireland's valuable bloodstock industry. The committee will be aware that the Government has approved the general scheme of an animal health Bill. While drafting of the Bill is in progress in my Department, for a number of reasons this has not proceeded at the pace anticipated. My objective is to produce updated and consolidated legislation that will retain many aspects of the 1966 and 2001 Acts but will also contain additional features. In particular, it is the intention that the Bill will subsume provisions along the lines of those in section 17A.

I hope and trust the committee will accept my argument for the retention of section 17A for a further year and will agree to the adoption of the resolution by both Houses.

I thank the Minister for her presentation. I will now take questions from members.

The Fine Gael Party will support the motion, as it has done in the past, but I raise reservations that my colleagues and I raised previously. During this committee's proceedings its members have used terminology such as "intimidation", "alarming experiences", "heavy-handed action" and "extensive powers". I will not dwell on the issue but it is critically important. Whether this motion or the animal health Bill appears before us next year again, checks and balances must be enforced. The Act has extensive powers, although they may be used sparingly. As the Minister said, the powers can be invoked where there is reasonable suspicion that an offence may or will be committed. It is critical that we have proper checks and balances.

Have any complaints been made to the Department of Agriculture and Food concerning officials carrying out actions under this section? If so, how have they been dealt with by the Department? What is the procedure involved? Is there an independent person to carry out an assessment? How many complaints were received and what was the result?

Last year, due to impending legal action, the Minister could not discuss a specific case. I am not sure if that legal action proceeded, but perhaps the Minister could outline the situation concerning the video of a facility in the south east that was under the control of the Department of Agriculture and Food. Deputy Upton and I have seen the video, as I believe the Minister has. Can the Minister outline where that legal action now stands?

Will the Minister inform us of the current status of the discussions on an all-island animal health regime? I know we are in limbo regarding Northern Ireland at the moment. I am a bit biased, given the part of the country I come from, concerning the movement of sheep. The Minister has had to deal with that matter and it is important to have a water-tight system for the whole island. The Minister should provide us with an outline of the timetable she envisages for the animal health Bill.

At what stage is the current investigation into swamp fever? I know the Minister is limited as to the type of response she can provide, but I would appreciate an outline. She should also address the concerns expressed to many Members of the House by people who, through no fault of their own, have inadvertently ended up with animals being infected with swamp fever. They have virtually been treated as criminals. There is some assistance in carrying out testing but many of those affected are small operators whose businesses have been closed down or have no income from that element of their business. No support whatsoever is being provided by the Department. Surely some mechanism can be found to deal with this problem and if there is a successful prosecution, the Department may be able to recoup funds.

What caused the avian influenza problem in the United Kingdom? We are told that it was partly caused by processed poultry imported from Hungary. Has that practice been eradicated in the EU as a whole so that the problem cannot recur?

The Minister referred to the three-year surveillance programme for bluetongue with a view to examining the potential disease vectors. Will she outline what those potential disease vectors may be?

All the questions I had listed have been asked, but I will add one or two.

Deputy Upton has taught Deputy Naughten too well.

I get blamed for that all the time. A statement such as "reasonable cause for suspicion" is very objective and could be open to various interpretations. If there is reasonable cause for suspicion, can the Minister indicate how such a situation might be monitored? I know it is difficult but that is probably what causes concern among people who feel they might be interrogated.

Has there been any confirmation that the current avian flu case in the UK is of the same strain as that in Hungary? Perhaps that information is not yet available. On the last occasion the figure of 99.6% was mentioned and we all broadly accepted that was the case, but there may be a further update. There is considerable concern over whether we know the origins of the outbreak and how it was transmitted. Has there been any confirmation by the UK Department of Food and Agriculture?

We must continually raise the question of the importation of animal products. We need to know the potential impact of any risk that might apply to food products that are either imported commercially or by individuals coming in through ports or airports.

The Minister mentioned that bluetongue is not contagious and there are a number of vectors. It is significant, however, should it get into the country by any horrible accident. The pattern of transmission shows it is moving across the Continent. The Minister says it would have a major economic impact. Is that because it would prevent exports? I wonder about that, if it is non-contagious. One could see the reasons for foot and mouth disease restrictions as it is highly contagious, but the same rules seem to apply to bluetongue.

It is hard to have a committee meeting like this without inquiring about Johne's disease.

The Deputy's own forte.

Yes. I wonder what is the updated position. It is one of those slightly hidden diseases that may not be as easily identifiable as some of the others.

I support the continuation of section 17A, although I wish to express my concerns, as I have done previously, about authorised searches of premises.

Regarding the all-island aspect of disease eradication, have any formal structure been put in place since the executive has not been functioning in the Six Counties?

If the Minister does not mind, we will take all three remaining speakers.

I thank the Minister for her presentation. She will not be surprised if I refer to EIA. I thank her and her officials for their keen interest in dealing with the outbreak of this disease since June 2006. It had the potential to devastate the bloodstock industry. The Minister and her departmental officials are to be congratulated on their action to contain this disease. Like Deputy Naughten, I am interested in how the investigation into the outbreak has been progressing. Is the Minister in a position to tell us about that? There was much speculation at the time that part of the problem concerned the importation of equine blood products from Italy where the disease seems to be quite widespread. Will the Minister comment on that issue?

I am also acutely aware of the impact this outbreak has had on the first equine hospital in the State — the Troytown Equine Hospital in County Kildare. The management there moved very speedily to address the outbreak when it happened. It was very responsible in the manner in which it engaged with the Department of Agriculture and Food to address the problem. However, that outbreak has had very significant financial implications for that prestigious equine institution. Following on from Deputy Naughten's point that small bloodstock owners have faced serious financial difficulties arising from the impact of the disease, has the Department considered compensation and what can be done for those who have faced severe negative impacts?

Given the environment in which we live, we seem to be subject to constant new threats. There is a variety of infectious diseases that could be potentially challenging for us. Is there a range of protocols in place in the Department of Agriculture and Food to address these potential threats so that, as happened with EIA, foot and mouth disease and avian flu, we can move immediately when a threat becomes serious?

I thank the Minister for her presentation and congratulate her on the manner in which she handled the fall-out from the outbreak of the H5N1 strain in Suffolk because, as I mentioned before, the local authority in Derry called for all kinds of measures, such as the digging of mass graveyards, etc. It is so easy to harm the industry. The manner in which the Minister handled this had a calming effect on the industry and the people. That was very necessary and she and her officials should be complimented.

I refer to the point Deputy Naughten made that it is never easy to carry out investigations on farms. There is another side to that. When officials go to a farm, they also face intimidation about which we do not hear. No farmer wants to see officials investigating his or her farm and perhaps giving it a bad name or reputation. There are two sides to every story.

I thank the Minister for her presentation and compliment her and the Department on the way they handled this issue. It is very difficult to strike a balance between doing the right thing and perhaps overstating the case. I fully agree with what the Minister has proposed. On the last occasion, poultry sales, in particular, took a 30% knock over a couple of months and it did much damage to the industry. Following the outbreak in England on this occasion, a few days were lost before people moved. Untold damage can be done to an industry in that period. Striking a balance between not creating panic and doing the right thing is very important.

I compliment the Department on the way it handled the foot and mouth disease outbreak. Speed is of the essence. It is very important to move quickly.

I apologise for not being here earlier. I compliment the Minister and her officials. Many points have been made and there is little more one can say. However, will the Minister comment on the 30-month situation, her proposal to extend it to 36 months or 40 months and the huge cost to farmers at the factories? It is costing the guts of €20 per head for every animal over 30 months. Farmers are unable to finish the continental cattle we have at 30 months. What is happening is that a huge number of grade three cattle are going in unfinished simply to get them in within the 30 months.

Will the Minister indicate how soon she hopes to make that change? Over the next couple of months, a huge amount of stock will leave the sheds at a considerable cost to farmers. There appears to be a cartel in operation in the factories in that there is a fixed price. There is a cartel among feed producers resulting in an increase in the cost of inputs to the farmer.

How many times, if at all, was the Act used last year?

I apologise for not being here earlier.

A Member

Better late than never.

(Interruptions).

A Member

We saw the Deputy on the monitor.

The Deputy was doing well.

I was referring to——

Was the Deputy referring to the great job I am doing, how forthright and forthcoming I am and the investment of more than €8.2 billion under the national development plan?

The Minister should not tempt me. I was in Donegal on Monday and heard all about her. Some of the questions I was asked were good ones.

Were they asked by people from the Deputy's party?

No. They were asked by totally independent people who could not understand——

If they were from Donegal, they would have to be from one party or the other. Is that not right Deputy Blaney?

They were in Derry. If the Minister asks Deputy Ellis or Deputy Keaveney, they will able to tell her what they were about. They could not believe how badly this was handled.

I have tabled several parliamentary questions about 30 month old animals, which has already been mentioned. This issue must be brought to a head as quickly as possible. The fact that most of our animals come from the dairy herd and the spring calving herd means they come up for sale in the autumn, which is the normal glut period. As they must be sold before 30 months, they are often sold under severe pressure. If the age limit was extended by a couple of months and they could be sold in the late autumn or early spring, it would make a difference. A change from 30 months to 36 months would dramatically change the situation.

I was delighted to hear the Minister's colleague state there is a cartel in the meat business. I cannot believe Fianna Fáil would allow such a thing to happen given that it has been in government for ten years. The 30-month requirement is the cause of some of that problem.

Recently I raised the issue of brucellosis testing by way of a parliamentary question. Thankfully, in spite of some well-known rogues in the business who have on occasion destroyed it, have cleaned out purebred herds, etc., we have managed to come through that. I suggest humbly that three months rather than 30 days would make a significant difference and it would allow freedom of sale, etc.

In the case of the brucellosis test, the farmer has the test taken and it must be sent away for analysis. It takes between ten days and two weeks for the result to return, which means the producer has only two weeks to dispose of or sell the animal. As we are coming into the spring and summer of the year, there are many sales and agricultural shows that the Minister and many others are good about attending. In such cases, the problem arises to a great extent where if a person presents animals in May at a public show, he or she must test them twice or three times before the show season is over and put his or her entire herd at risk as a result. Will the Minister address this matter in the interest of common sense and especially in light of the fact that the majority of cattle owners are part-time farmers who find it much more difficult to get their cattle's blood tests taken?

I assume support for this measure. I will address a number of issues raised by members. Checks and balances exist within the system. Although the ultimate measure is the court, there are checks and balances within the ambit of what Deputies Blaney and Naughten have spoken of. No formal complaint has been made to the Department about investigations that have been carried out. I fully appreciate people can be discommoded. I reassure people that authorised officers must get a warrant from the courts before gaining access to a person's home and, as members will appreciate, warrants are not given willy nilly by a judge. Therefore, the evidence must be put forward that there is a suspicion and it is on the basis of that suspicion that authorised officers can carry out such investigations. One of the greatest checks and balances on this measure is the fact that it comes before the Oireachtas every 12 months. That is the ultimate evaluation, either of its overall necessity or of issues which Members of the House have on behalf of their constituents.

The Department won the case concerning the pigs referred to. There were fines imposed by the courts. However, certain aspects of that decision have now being appealed to the Supreme Court. We anticipate a decision from the Supreme Court soon, but it is difficult to determine when that will happen. However, the outcome was a conviction.

On the overall issue of animal health, North and South, I would appreciate, no more than the committee, that the institutions there would be in place, and having a political head in Northern Ireland is the most progressive way to deal with it. In the interim, however, we have met regularly at official level and I also have met the Secretary of State where we have progressed a number of the issues of benefit to all. The greatest example of this has been on the issue of avian influenza where we decided to adopt an all-island approach and where we simultaneously decided to introduce measures on the basis of the risk. That very much reflects the good working relationship between ourselves and Northern Ireland.

As I indicated quite recently to a number of farmers from Northern Ireland, one of the issues of concern they must address is that of designation of import-export, in other words, the designation of Larne, for example, as a point of import for intra-Community trade between the mainland and Northern Ireland. While this will pose some concerns and difficulties, these are not insurmountable. An all-island approach is the best one. We will continue to progress those issues and the working relationship is superb.

The Department will publish advertisements to provide farmers with information on the bluetongue virus. I have taken this matter seriously and have brought it to Government to advise my Cabinet colleagues on the implications. The Department has entered into an agreement with NUI Galway where a three-year surveillance project will take place. In answer to Deputy Naughten, the vectors are midges. Therefore, one can see the difficulties.

Could we eradicate the midges?

If we could eradicate midges, we would have a great time at barbecues and other outdoor events.

The Greens would not agree.

In any case, the vector is a midge and Deputy Naughten can appreciate the problem. It would mean one would have to cease live exports, which would have significant repercussions. The surveillance area is 150 km and, if such a problem arose in the middle of the country, the surveillance would apply to the entire island. It could potentially have considerable implications. The Department is taking the matter quite seriously and is putting together all possible necessary precautionary measures. It is important to advise the committee that there are such concerns, most especially when one sees that disease moving much further north.

On the issue of avian influenza, the strain is 99.96% identical to the Hungarian strain. The definitive answer on where it came from has not been provided yet and the investigation has not been completed. However, on the basis of what has happened, I also have had discussions on this issue with the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, David Miliband, MP, who has advised me he will keep me informed and that we will also be kept informed at veterinary level on the outcome of this. It is important that we know as much as possible about this issue.

I stated in the committee some time ago that swamp fever was a matter of grave concern. I want to thank those, not only the officials in my Department but those involved in the horse industry, who worked closely with us on this issue. In my view, it is serious that we had this in the first place. The investigation by the officials, part of which involved travelling abroad, is still progressing. It is intended to conclude this quickly as long as we have sufficient evidence to deal with the matter. That is the issue and members can appreciate what I am saying or not saying. Essentially, we are quite happy with the progress to date, but one never tempts faith on the basis of our present timeframe.

That said, I am aware of the issue of Troytown stud which Deputy Naughten raised with me. The officials met the people at the stud and we facilitated them immediately in the aftermath of what happened. The stud moved, as the Deputy will be aware, and we facilitated it with designation in north County Dublin. However, there are ongoing issues, some of which may have legal implications. Deputy Naughten can rest assured. He is correct in stating that Troytown stud was a centre of excellence for the industry and I appreciate very much that it has taken a big hit on this.

On the issue of compensation, it is not my intention to go down that road although I appreciate that this has caused severe restrictions.

Financial restrictions.

It has had all manner of implications for people who could not move their animals, go to sales, etc. No doubt in the case of compensation we must consider other issues and must make a pragmatic decision on what will be the case with other diseases such as the bluetongue virus, Johne's disease or whatever.

On the issue of Johne's disease, the Deputy will be glad to hear that there has, at last, been some movement on a number of fronts. This matter will be to the fore in discussions that will take place under the herd health initiative agreed in the partnership process. As the Deputy is aware, it took time to encourage people to come to the table, appreciate the nature of the issue and deal with it. I am satisfied that we have the necessary support to proceed. Further progress will be forthcoming in respect of herd management, etc., an extremely important step forward. I hope my successor will not be obliged to ask questions about this matter.

Senator Moylan inquired about BSE testing and referred to the period of 30 to 36 months. As indicated previously, the European Parliament has reservations regarding a change in this period. However, the European Council can opt for a derogation for member states. It is my intention to proceed towards such a derogation. In other words, we will wholeheartedly be supporting an increase in the age from 30 to 36 months. This is being done by veterinary officials on my behalf. Unfortunately, like many such matters, this issue is currently stuck with the Commission, from which it is extremely difficult to extract it. However, I contacted Commissioner Kyprianou last week and asked him to expedite it for me. I will be meeting the Commissioner on the fringes of the Council on 18 March. In respect of this matter, we are happy we have the necessary procedures in place and know what we want to allow us to proceed. I am aware of the Senator's concerns and assure him that the matter will be expedited. We had expected that it would have come before the Council at Christmas but, unfortunately, some individuals had concerns about it. I will communicate with the Senator, following my meeting with the Commissioner, on the progress made.

On brucellosis testing, I had a meeting earlier with a number of the farm organisations. They did not pursue this issue but focused on post-movement testing, which is not compulsory but in respect of which there would be other implications if a herd was affected by a particular disease. However, I appreciate the concerns raised by Deputy Crawford. As stated, the matter is being considered because I am reviewing all of the disease issues.

I discussed the issue of shows, ad infinitum, with many of those present. I appreciate that shows are part of life and that people enjoy attending them during the summer months. However, we must take cognisance of what could happen at a show if something went wrong. People attend these events on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday and there are a huge number of animals on show. Perhaps, therefore, we should be cautious in how we proceed. It is frightening when one considers the way ponies and horses are moved around the country, particularly in the summer. We must be aware of what is happening and where the potential risks as regards disease lie.

We will continue to review the various disease issues. I hold the view that we will always be obliged to deal with new challenges. At the same time, we may be obliged to consider the necessity of introducing legislation if our disease status improves. Members will be aware that there has been a reduction in the level of disease, which was brought about on foot of a great deal of hard work by many.

I hope I have addressed most of the issues raised by members.

I do not accept that the only way independent checks should be carried out is through the courts system. We are all aware of instances where investigations have taken place and where, for one reason or another, they have not proceeded to court. Checks and balances are not, therefore, in place. The individuals involved are usually so relieved that matters are not proceeding any further that they do not pursue them. It is important, in the context of protecting the interests of the Department and the public, that a transparent system should be put in place.

I wish to make two points in respect of avian influenza. How accurate are flock registers? I visited a constituent of mine in recent days who complained about the obligation to register hens. The individual in question also has other species of poultry on the property and these have not been registered. What is being done to ensure all poultry is registered and how accurate are the relevant registers?

My final point involves both criticising and complimenting the Department. On the Saturday on which the news broke regarding events in Suffolk, I checked the Department's website but could not locate the hotline number. However, I obtained it by other means, telephoned it and found that the hotline was being manned. I compliment the Department in that regard but want to ensure information relating to matters of this nature should be placed in the public domain as quickly as possible. The type of information to which I refer was not displayed in an easily accessible way on the Department's website. Rather than a hotline in respect of avian flu, there should be a dedicated hotline that people could contact in respect of diseases such as bluetongue or any other animal health issue. Information must be made available to the public in an easily accessible format. This did not happen on the Department's website in respect of the crisis in Suffolk.

The Minister referred to the reduction in the level of disease. Perhaps she does not have the relevant figures in her possession but if she does, could she outline the position on TB and brucellosis?

I support Senator Moylan's suggestion regarding the increase from 30 months to 36 months. The committee has been bringing this matter to the attention of the Department for a long period. I hope a resolution will soon be reached in respect of it. I am glad progress has been made in respect of Johne's disease. Animals owned by a number of farmers in the area were infected with this disease and it had a significant and disastrous financial impact on many of them because they could not sell their breeding stock. I welcome the developments in this area.

There were three cases of brucellosis last year, compared with, for example, 1,000 in 1998. This represents virtual eradication. In 1998 there were 45,000 cases involving TB reactors. The figure has since fallen to 25,000, a significant decrease. There have been three cases of BSE so far this year, compared with 14 at the same time last year. Such developments are welcome and it was as a result of them that this great Government and this fantastic Minister were in a position to reduce disease levies.

I would not dispute that.

I do not believe the Deputy would do so.

As regards flock registers, we require information on premises. We will be introducing a new statutory instrument regarding additional registration measures. I hope the Deputy was in the correct part of the constituency when he was out canvassing and that he was not sneaking into a colleague's part of it.

Deputy Naughten would not do such a thing.

Deputy Ellis will keep the people there briefed.

Yes, I believe he will do so.

On independent checks and balances, there is a code of practice within the Department which relates to authorisation, legislation, communication, investigations, working with other public bodies and customer service. There are also internal mechanisms designed to deal with this matter. In addition, there is the appeals unit outside the Department. Thereafter, people have recourse to the courts and the Ombudsman. Therefore, there are opportunities available within the Department. When people are being investigated with regard to the code of practice, they are advised of the procedures available to them if they wish to make a complaint to the Department. That facility is available.

I asked about the information that did not appear on the website.

The minute we were told we held an emergency meeting of the expert group and put together a press release which contained the information. People were appointed to the unit immediately. We also stepped up procedures on the veterinary side. The facility is available in every district veterinary office for people to leave a message immediately in the case of a class A disease. We have kept the system up to date. It would be worse if there was nobody at the end of the telephone.

I accept that, but it is important that the telephone number is available on the website. It is not a big job to ensure that is done.

Yes; perhaps the Deputy could have a link on his website, too.

I can do that; it is not a problem.

We will do it.

Does the committee have a view on whether there should be further debate on the motion in the Dáil and Seanad?

We are satisfied with the debate we have had.

I take it that the committee recommends that there should be no further debate on the motion in the Dáil and Seanad. Is that agreed? Agreed. The clerk to the committee will send a message to the Dáil and Seanad in that regard.

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