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JOINT COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND SCIENCE debate -
Thursday, 30 Nov 2006

Irish Primary Principals Network: Presentation.

On behalf of members of the joint committee I welcome, from the Irish Primary Principals Network, Mr. Seán Cottrell, director, Ms Geraldine D'Arcy, policy development and research and Mr. John Curran, PR officer.

I draw attention to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege but this privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Before I invite Mr. Cottrell to make his presentation, I advise the delegates that Deputies Enright and English must leave early, but it will not be because of what Mr. Cottrell might say.

Normally Senators Ulick Burke and Fitzgerald would be present but because there is a debate on education in the Seanad they have asked me to deputise. I am representing Senator Ulick Burke.

I now invite Mr. Cottrell to commence his presentation on behalf of the IPPN.

Mr. Seán Cottrell

I thank members for their time. I understand they have a copy of a number of documents which we have produced but I will focus on the one-page document, in yellow, which is a synopsis of our overall presentation and captures the essence of the documentation. I will go through it briefly to allow for the optimum amount of questions afterwards, which may be more useful.

I will talk about the issue, the problems, the solutions and the benefits. Many members will be aware from previous presentations by IPPN on other issues that we are a professional body for school principals. We are not a trade union and do not have an industrial relations remit. We have been established since 2000 and have a membership of approximately 97% of all primary school principals and deputies in the country.

The issue is the challenge of recruiting and retaining school principals at primary level. Evidence shows there is a crisis in so far as application rates for principalship have decreased radically in the past ten years and appear to continue so to do. Many members will be parents of children who have been through the school system and will be aware of the importance of leadership in any organisation, but particularly in a school, and of the need for well-motivated, enthusiastic, competent principals to lead modern schools, given the challenges with regard to special needs, alleviating disadvantage, dealing with issues relating to new Irish children and their language needs and the national importance of a competitive economy based on a fine education system.

However, the evidence, gained by extensive research, indicates that all is not well with the health of school leadership in terms of its attractiveness as a role. In the past ten years the rates of application have declined from approximately 5.9 applications per vacancy in 1996 to as few as 2.3 applications per vacancy last year. This hides the reality in small schools, where principals are also required to teach and where the average is well below 2.3. In many cases, teaching principalships attract one applicant and that is sometimes after repeated advertising.

The increased level of retirement of teachers and principals, in particular the growing trend of principals seeking early retirement, and the current high age profile of principals, with 45% aged 50 or over, as well as the low application rates, suggest a timebomb leading to schools being left without principals or with principals who have been encouraged or even browbeaten to apply because a school needs one. In such cases a school focuses on one teacher to ensure it can at least open in September with a leader.

Several factors discourage people from considering school leadership as a career-promotion prospect. We have highlighted five of the key issues. The first and most important is that teachers consider the role of principal to be undoable. They observe the current principal as bogged down in administration, doing everything other than teaching and learning. Society has growing needs for accountability, rightly so, but has not put the capacity into schools to deliver that accountability. Principals are getting drawn into a fog of non-educational work. Teachers, especially good ones, do not want to wind up in such a role but remain at what they do best, what they have chosen to be.

Slightly more than seven out of ten principals are full-time teaching principals with a small number of days for administration during a year. Most young teachers are simply not willing to take on this role because they view the duality of the role and the simultaneous demands of being principal and teacher throughout a school day as making it impossible to do the job. Teaching principals, of which I have been one for six years, attribute poor quality teaching to the inability to devote one's full energies to the role.

In a recent survey, 45% of school principals reported that they did not have an office from which to work but work from a desk in a classroom, such is still, unfortunately, the poor level of infrastructure in schools. Some 75% reported that they either had a part-time or no secretary and that figure almost exactly correlated to the number of teaching principals, the ones who most needed a secretary. Because grant aid for hiring school secretaries and caretakers is based on school size the very schools that most need it are punished for their smallness.

Teachers are not willing to take on a role which is underresourced, over-demanded and lacking the impression of a job which can be done and which will give satisfaction. There is no programme in this country for nurturing, identifying and encouraging young teachers to get into a leadership chain. There is an in-school management system but, unfortunately, the evidence shows that teachers who have in-school management positions, such as special duties teacher or assistant or deputy principal, are less likely to apply for principalship than those who have no promoted posts. This is contrary to most other countries, where in-school management positions would be the stepping stone towards principalship.

The reason for this is twofold. First, these people see the role of principal as more closely allied to middle management than that of teachers and they are more aware of the impossibility of balancing job satisfaction, lifestyle and functionality. The second factor is probably more noticeable, as the reward structure, currently based on an allowance for principalship on top of a basic teaching salary, does not allow for a proper career path from one rank to another, as would occur in most other public sector roles. Many deputy principals would lose salary benefits if they applied for a principalship in a smaller school, which is contrary to what happens in most other countries we have researched.

The solutions to these problems are well researched and thought out in that they correlate with what is happening in other countries. This problem is not unique to Ireland. What is unique is the failure of the system to address the issue at a macro level. The main solution is to introduce a principal's contract, which would enable teachers take a leadership role for a set length of time without it becoming a career incarceration. Currently, people cannot step down from the role without suffering financially or career-wise. A set contract also enables renewal of leadership and gives more teachers the opportunity to be leaders in their schools.

There must be a systematic programme to identify, encourage and nurture young teachers on the notion that leadership is achievable, and the issue is not just considered when a principal resigns or retires. There should be a programme of development towards leadership, which is the case in the UK where the shortage of school principals is being tackled.

There should be acknowledgement that the current board of management structure is largely ineffective. As we have discussed with this committee before, the issues surrounding school governance, the volunteer nature and the goodwill expressed by board of management members are excellent in theory but they do not fit the management needs of schools. The functions of boards of management are being devolved more to principals as they, perhaps, have the most knowledge, expertise, time and opportunity to effect the role of the board of management.

The handing over of chairpersonship of boards from the clergy to lay members of the community has not enhanced operations, and many would argue it has worsened the situation. Lay members tend to be in employment positions that would render them less available to schools at key times.

There must be proper administrative and caretaking facilities put in place for all schools, with particular priority for smaller schools. It is untenable for principals to carry out functions they do not have the skills for and for which they are not paid. More importantly, these functions are a distraction from key functions, such as teaching in the case of those who are full-time teachers, and being leaders and managers of the quality of teaching and learning in schools in the case of those who are administrative principals. That is what leadership in a school should be about and what is evident in most developed economies in the world. There is a recognised value of importance on the quality of education right from primary level.

Another part of the solution would be a systematic change in the way principalship is rewarded. There should be a separate salary structure allowing for a career path where there is a space between the different salary ranks within schools. Young teachers in particular, having had six, seven or eight years' experience as a classroom teacher, could look forward to the benefits of promotion. Finance is not the only motivating factor for promotion with public servants, but it needs to exist in parallel with other expectations. If there is no financial attraction or if there is a financial barrier, it will impede all other motivations. It is not tenable to have an environment where it is financially punitive for a teacher to seek promotion to a key role in the school.

The benefits are clear. If we address this problem as a system, taking in principals' associations, trade unions, management bodies and the Department of Education and Science, we will have more teachers, especially high-quality teachers, applying for school leadership. The quality issue will become evident very soon. If we continue to see a fall in the numbers of teachers applying for principalship, the pool of quality talent available for these positions will inevitably become shallower, which will have consequences for the quality of learning in schools.

A document we have presented to the committee written by Professor Michael Fullan, an expert in change management and educational leadership internationally, has identified more than coherently the link between quality leadership and learning in schools. He commented on and referred to other international research showing that where such a link is broken, the quality of learning slips eventually, although not immediately. The revised primary curriculum is world class but complex, and it requires a team delivery. Individual teachers do not themselves interpret it. Every team requires a leader, and without strong education leadership based on vision, passion and commitment, the revised curriculum would be unsustainable in primary schools.

The key benefit from a Government perspective is that education policy cannot be implemented without an effective leader on the ground on matters such as disadvantage, literacy, numeracy, immigrants, the Traveller community, special needs and other key areas adding challenges to the education system. The nightmare scenario would be that in three or four years, we would have hundreds of schools with caretaker principals, acting principals or principals who do not want the job but were forced into taking it. That would not be beneficial to anybody, particularly children and their parents.

This is a matter of national concern and it is very important to the future of this country. If we know in advance this is evidence of a problem and an emerging crisis, we all have an obligation to increase our awareness and consider what action we can take to address the issue. I include my organisation in that. I do not want questions being asked in five years' time whether this problem was known about today, who knew about it and the action taken. It would be difficult to explain to parents the reason they are being asked to enrol their children in schools at a time when there is a great shortage of principals to lead those schools, although the population is growing.

We would be glad to take questions at this stage and we could refer to other documentation when answering.

On behalf of the committee I thank the IPPN for the depth of work done on the issue of leadership in schools, of which we are all very much aware.

I will be brief as I must leave shortly. I thank the witnesses for the presentation and join in the Vice Chairman's remarks on the work of the IPPN. The witnesses have given us quite an amount of detail.

Some teachers have told me the difference in the amount of work and salary between the post of principal and the immediate level below principalship is a big factor. I know a man teaching in a rural school who told me there is no incentive for him to take the next step, as the amount of extra money in his pocket after tax would be relatively minuscule.

Is there a difference between rural and urban areas, or between disadvantaged and non-disadvantaged schools in getting people to apply for a principal's post or does it relate to other factors across the board? I accept it is worrying that 45% of principals are aged 50 or over but I am also concerned that many new schools, particularly, but not exclusively, gaelscoileanna and Educate Together schools, have very young principals who are not long qualified. I am not questioning their skills and dynamism but I wonder if they have the necessary training for such a post. What are the witnesses' views on this matter?

The public private partnership, PPP, model has not yet reached primary schools and I do not wish to discuss the merits and demerits of that system. The PPP model means buildings are managed by a company and this would free the principal from worrying about changing light bulbs and so on day to day. The system is in its infancy so I presume studies have not yet been carried out relating to schools, but I wonder if a PPP would allow principals to focus on teaching, students and curriculum, rather than the physical school structure. Leaving aside the PPP model, do the witnesses see benefits in a system that allows principals achieve this kind of focus on education?

Is permanency a factor in not accepting a post? Do some people see a principal's post as twenty or thirty years stuck in a dead end with no way out other than retirement? Do the witnesses feel that a seven year post, with a possible extension to ten years, could entice more people, if the salary structure was retained on entering the classroom as a teacher again?

I too welcome Mr. Cottrell and his colleagues. I understand that, in the primary school sector, at least 80% of teachers are female, yet the number of female principals is comparatively minuscule. Can the witnesses comment on this and the reasons women do not apply for these jobs?

I came here to fill a space in the committee but it is good to see my old friends from the Irish Primary Principals Network, IPPN, and to see the organisation still operating though I have not dealt with it in some time. I was a teaching principal for at least 12 years and I should declare an interest in that regard.

I subscribe to many of the important points that have been raised but I am stunned by several of these issues, though I have not had time to read all of the material. On the matter of a separate salary structure for principals, one of the longest running campaigns in the history of primary education was to achieve pay parity and a common pay structure, which took approximately 60 years. The only campaign that was longer, by some six years, was that seeking to establish the bachelor of education. It was said at the outset that the witnesses see this issue from a professional point of view and that they are not involved from the point of view of industrial relations.

I do not know where the Irish National Teachers Organisation, INTO, stands on the matter but I would be surprised if it supports the separate salary structure for principals as it undermines the proposals it put to the benchmarking body. The INTO general secretary, Mr. John Carr, outlined a particular set of proposals for me recently which sought a common structure for principal's allowances at primary and post primary level. I am speaking from memory so I hope any minor inaccuracies will be forgiven. He proposed that the bottom three points on the scale be abolished to meet, I presume, some of the issues raised by the IPPN. More importantly, he suggested the cap at the top of the scale, which I feel has always been grossly unfair, be removed.

Whenever I have seen a separate pay structure for principals implemented elsewhere it has been used by the paymasters to drive a wedge between the principal and the other teachers so it can be used as a bargaining chip in pay negotiations. This leads to divisive games where pay increases are given to one group under one set of negotiations and to another group under another set of negotiations.

I recently attended a meeting of inspectors on a completely unrelated issue and afterwards over coffee they said the biggest mistake they ever made was leaving their old unions, INTO and the Association of Secondary Teachers Ireland, ASTI. They felt they would be paid better today had they stayed within that structure.

I felt the IPPN was a little disparaging regarding boards of management. I have watched them since 1975 and know their inadequacies but I also know their commitment to schools, staff and, in particular, principals is beyond question. Loyalty to principals is very solid, except for rare occasions, and I hate to think they could be cast aside in this manner.

The Green Paper produced in 1991 as a discussion document on the future of teaching focussed on the role of the principal and it presented the principal in a chief executive model in a school structure. That was rejected by principals, teachers and at all levels of education because it was felt that attempts to move principals into an administrative role, away from an educational role, could only be bad for education. The idea of a separate pay structure for principals is only one step away from creating two structures within schools — one being the administrative structure which would be a chief executive model and the other would be the head of education model or the person known today as the principal.

This structure has been put in place in a number of units dealing with disruptive children placed by the courts. Some people in the Department of Finance would love to have civil servants running schools properly, as they would see it. They would let teachers get on with teaching and pay the civil servants the real money and the idea of a separate pay structure for principals moves us closer to such a scenario. I do not question that these ideas are put forward with the best of intentions but they are bringing us to the edge of a chasm that will be bad for teaching, bad for education and will undermine the role of boards of management so we will wonder in five years time how we did not see where this was leading.

I am no longer a person the witnesses need trouble themselves about as I am merely attending as a member of the committee for the day, but I think this is an issue that requires a great deal more consideration. I will be happy to discuss it in more detail later but I am suffering from delayed shock at the moment.

I have some quick questions to ask and must leave shortly so I will hear the answers later.

I will be less dramatic than Senator O'Toole but will follow on from his comments. When people choose to become teachers is it their aim to reach the level of principal or do they wish to remain teachers? It was noted that very few teachers apply for that post at a later stage, but is it their target on starting out in the career? My teacher advised me to stay away from the profession as it would take too long to become a principal and I would leave out of boredom in the meantime. Do people who chose teaching as a career want to become teachers or principals? Are we questioning the future role of principals, or are the hours of work and the amount of red tape the only reasons people do not want to become principals? The witnesses said 70% of principals are still teaching. Do they all want to remain teaching, or do they want to become full-time principals? If they want to become principals and stop teaching, then we are talking about managers rather than teachers.

I am not familiar with schools where principals engage in job sharing. However, I am familiar with job sharing among bank managers and in many other businesses. Does this happen in schools? If it works everywhere else, I am sure it can be examined for schools.

I am familiar with many principals who have problems with their boards of management, particularly the chairs of the boards when it involves the religious orders. Is this a major deterrent for those who might otherwise consider becoming principals? There could be circumstances where a principal who has been teaching for a long time finds that the new chairman of the board of management, who may be new to the parish, steps in and appoints as boss someone the principal once taught. Is this a serious problem, or does it only occur in a small number of areas?

The witnesses have said that becoming a principal is a job for life; principals do not go backwards or forwards. Should there be a system similar to the county councils where the county manager must move on after a certain length of service? One might not like it, but I would be interested to know if it would be a possible solution. I know principals can apply to go to a new school, but should it become mandatory that one must go to another school after a certain length of service? I have only asked these questions. I am not forcing them on anyone. I simply want to know the delegation's opinion on the questions.

This committee has discussed the issue of boards of management previously. It can be difficult to work with a board of management that is not as well informed as the witnesses. As principals, the witnesses will be well informed on legislation, but they must deal with board of management members who are not. This committee has encouraged the Government to provide specialist help and advisers to boards of management. I note the organisation has spoken about the sharing of experts between schools in a county.

If one becomes a principal one does not wish to regress to being a teacher because one would lose money. I am not convinced of the reasons this is such a serious problem. People get an increased salary with a promotion in any job, and generally lose it if they return to their previous position. I would like the witnesses to elaborate further on this. I know it can be difficult if people have got used to a certain level of salary and must make do with less. This needs to be teased out further. Perhaps I have taken it up wrong.

The idea of pre-appointment training makes an awful lot of sense. The organisation's presentation was well put together and we do not have many questions. The witness said that 45% of principals do not have an office to work in. That is a disgrace and I am glad that issue was raised with the committee. The figure is much higher than I suspected it was. It is not good enough. The Minister would not work without an office and we should not expect principals to do so either.

As regards the gaelscoileanna, what are the advantages or perks for principals in such schools? Do they differ from those of principals in regular primary schools?

As regards the points raised by Senator O'Toole, I am not sure what the delegation meant by separating the educational and administrative roles. That is not my interpretation of what the organisation wants to do. Perhaps the delegation could clarify that. I agree with Senator O'Toole that educational leadership is the priority work for principals. I understand that one of the delegation's concerns is reducing the administrative burden on principals. The organisation has previously spoken of the possibility of clustering and sharing resources in other ways. I do not think it meant sharing principals, but rather sharing secretarial and other expertise. I would like the witnesses to comment further on that. If we can reduce the administrative work of principals we free them up to fulfil the leadership in education role.

Someone recently told me that many forms must be filled in order to avail of the various supports offered by the Department of Education and Science. It was suggested to me that the administrative burden could be reduced if the principal had only to fill one form at the start of the year. What is the network's view on that?

I understand that extra burdens have resulted from the Education for Persons with Special Educational Needs Act. The delegation did not mention that in the presentation. Is there enough support in this area from SENOs and others involved in special education or does the burden fall on principals?

The committee has done a great deal of work on the issue of boards of management. Because of the demands on time and the level of responsibility, I feel it will be difficult to encourage people to join boards of management in the future. What does the delegation feel the balance of responsibility should be between boards of management and principals?

Mr. Cottrell

Almost 20 issues have been raised. Can we have a moment to discuss how we might best deal with these?

Sitting suspended at 12.28 p.m. and resumed at 12.31 p.m.

I invite Mr. Cottrell to respond to the questions.

Mr. Cottrell

I will defer to my colleague, Mr. John Curran.

Mr. John Curran

Deputy Enright asked about the difference in salary between teaching and principalship and there was also a question about whether younger principals had enough experience to deal with the job. Speaking from my own experience, I was 27 years of age when I was appointed to my first principalship of a two teacher school. The difference at the time between my teacher salary in the school I was leaving and the principal's salary was minimal. Many of my colleagues who had been in college with me were involved in activities including grinds, coaching sports or whatever and, for the sake of one afternoon or one evening a week, were making more, in addition to their teacher salary, than I was making as a principal. At 27 years of age, however, when one is full of enthusiasm, a committed teacher and educator and takes on a job to make a difference, one does not consider that aspect. Later on I began to consider it in more detail.

At the other end of the scale, and again speaking from personal experience, having spent 16 years as principal of a much larger school, I took early retirement under the scheme available from the Department. I did that because of many of the points in the presentation in terms of losing touch with the very reasons I went into teaching and education and my time being taken up by the fog of other issues, whether it be managing building projects during my summer holidays or other administrative issues and losing touch with what I set out to be. I hope those points deal with the issues raised.

Ms Geraldine D’Arcy

I can comment on some of the other points raised as a result of the surveys and so forth we have dealt with over the years.

On the concern about board of management problems, we have much anecdotal and survey evidence to show that there are some difficulties in attracting people on to boards, as the Deputy said. It is a volunteer role and people sometimes do not feel they have the time or the skill to make some of the decisions that are being taken.

In terms of the administrative burden the Deputy mentioned and the sharing of resources in clusters, that is an issue that is dear to our hearts. We believe insufficient resources are given to the administration and caretaking type functions in schools and that principals do not want to spend their time doing that. That is not the reason they took on the role. They see themselves as leaders of education rather than managers of administration and they would like to be freed up in that regard.

There are a number of initiatives that could be taken, including embracing IT more at central level, having a central pupils database and a central schools database to ensure that the information being asked of schools year on year is available to all of the agencies and bodies that require it to fulfil their roles rather than constantly asking principals in schools to fill in forms for the same information month after month.

In terms of clustering and the provision of resources to very small schools, we believe that clustering would be a good means of delivering resources where there would be a full time secretary shared across a number of small schools in a geographical area. He or she could be based in one school but work across schools. The same could apply with caretaking. The part-time nature of the secretarial post is not working for schools where they are fielding calls from parents and a number of State agencies trying to provide services such as doctor visits, eye tests and the various other health services.

The Deputy mentioned simplifying the forms down to one per year. That sounds wonderful. We have proposed a number of such initiatives whereby, through the use of IT, information that is provided to schools is updated on an annual basis and means they are not starting with a clean sheet of paper every year. The provision of statistical returns in electronic form will ease the burden also because default information would be available. Very simple measures can be taken in other departments as well.

There could be collaboration between agencies and bodies that require information from schools to ensure they go with one view. It is like Bord Gáis ripping up a road to do roadworks one week and ESB doing the same the following week. The same could apply to schools in that the agencies could get together, agree the information that is required of schools and have it on one form, and make a return annually of all that information to ensure they can all do what they need to do with it. We would support that sort of approach.

Mr. Cottrell

I will deal with some of the remaining issues. One of the first questions asked concerned the financial incentives for the No. 2 position. Deputy Enright referred to the role of deputy principal. In the case of a deputy principal in a school with 14 teachers or more there would be a net loss if he or she were to apply for a principalship in a smaller school. There is a clear problem in that regard. The gap between deputy principalship and principalship even in the larger schools is not wide. It does not reflect the responsibility or the workload difference. An assistant principal, which is the No. 3 position in a school, earns approximately 95% of the allowance of a teaching principal. In other words, the No. 3 person in a very large school is virtually on the same salary as a teaching principal who is fulfilling two roles, albeit in a smaller school. Assistant principals do not apply for principalships in smaller schools; they would be foolish to do so. The Deputy was correct in her observations in that regard.

On the rural-urban factor, our evidence is that there is not a huge difference. In other words, the intrinsic issues with the overload of the role and all we discussed earlier is the main disincentive. There is a slight bias towards greater problems in small country schools with a teaching principalship role. In urban schools where there are many educational disadvantage issues, Educate Together schools and gaelscoileanna appear to have, for whatever reason — we have not researched it — a slightly higher turnover of principals.

I will deal with Deputy Hoctor's question on gaelscoileanna. I am not aware of any benefits to principals of gaelscoileanna. I am not familiar with any terms or conditions they have——

Ms D’Arcy

Is the capitation grant larger?

Mr. Cottrell

They get some advance funding and advantages with regard to staffing levels when it comes to moving from a teaching principal to an administration principal. They are not as pronounced as they used to be and the gap appears to be closing for equity reasons, which could be argued one way or the other. In terms of the role of principal, there is not any significant difference for principals in gaelscoileanna but there appears to be a slightly higher turnover of principals in gaelscoileanna. I am not aware of the reason for that.

On public private partnerships, I have heard reported from second level principals that they like the fact that they do not have to deal with plant and maintenance. That is a major benefit because it allows them focus on their role as the educational leader of the school. However, when issues arise to do with IT or certain infrastructural problems — the initial five schools were built by a company called Jarvis — there were difficulties with regard to the response time from the plant management company. There are swings and roundabouts in that regard. I am not aware of any principal who would bemoan the loss of responsibility for carrying the board's function with regard to plant and equipment management and maintenance.

Deputy Enright asked about the permanency of contracts. Young teachers and teachers in mid-career are concerned and worried about the idea of taking on a role they might handle for several years but that they do not want to become a rusty handcuff, whereby they are chained to the role. I accept Deputy English's point that when somebody voluntarily steps down from a senior position, they should take a drop in salary. However, there are a number of anomalies surrounding that issue. If a deputy principal or any other teacher in the school is an acting principal for five years or more, they retain the principal's allowance forever even though they might step back to being a regular teacher or deputy principal in the school. However, one could be a principal for 30 years, step back to being a teacher and lose the allowance and the pension relationship with that allowance if one steps back more than three years before retirement age. There are two conflicting driving forces. It is the unfairness of the financial landscape rather than the specific question of whether a principal should retain his or her allowance.

There is another and probably even more important disincentive to people stepping down from principalship. The current rule states that if a principal resigns or retires their principalship in a school, they become the most junior member of staff on the school seniority list. If a school loses numbers, therefore, he or she is the first person to be put on the redeployment panel. Not only is the principal's experience lost to the school but the principal is treated with a certain amount of ignominy and disrespect for his or her contribution to the school by being treated as the most junior member of staff. It has long been the position of the Department and the INTO that it is done this way because of the voluntary nature of stepping down. We would argue that it is a further disincentive to principals opting to step down.

Ms D’Arcy

We have had contact with a few principals who have stepped back into teaching, despite all those difficulties. They say they were struggling too much to cope with the workload, much as they loved the role of principal initially. They decided to go back to teaching despite the financial difficulties involved.

I can confirm that. I met two people recently who stepped back from principalships of two large schools. They are now at the bottom of the staff list. That is wrong.

Mr. Cottrell

With regard to the female/male imbalance, approximately 80% of the current staffing in primary schools is female. Until approximately three years ago the majority of new principals being appointed were male. The current overall population of principals slightly favours males but the trend has been shifting rapidly in the past three years. This year, in the newly appointed principals programme run by Leadership Development for Schools, a programme called Misneach, 60% to 65% of new appointed principals are females. There is a shifting tide.

Our research on teachers' attitudes as to why they wish or do not wish to become principals is interesting. We expected that issues regarding being a carer or having additional responsibilities, which is the reality for many women in the home, would be a factor but they are not. My assumption, and I have no evidence to support it, is that when a principalship becomes available in a school where there is a shortage of applicants, female teachers are perhaps more motivated, despite the difficulties, because there is a greater sense of "someone must do it" among female teachers. There appears to be growing cynicism among males.

Deputy English raised the issue of why people wanted to become principals in the first place and asked if young men thinking of entering teaching were hoping to become teachers or principals. Again, I do not have evidence other than anecdote to support it but I believe youngsters as young as 15 or 16 who are in transition year, thinking about careers and getting career guidance are considering issues such as finance and career prospects. When I was that age I was trying to get away from home. That is no reflection on my home but in those days we did not get strong career guidance. One almost fell into positions.

Nowadays, youngsters are examining career prospects. Career guidance teachers have told me that when the length of time it takes to get to the top of the teaching salary scale is explained and when youngsters, particularly young males, realise that becoming a principal, which is supposedly the most senior position in the school, carries such an unhealthy financial incentive, they look to other careers such as engineer, fire officer or other public and private sector grades and see better options. I am firmly of the belief that the lack of a career structure which is based on separate salary scale is one of the reasons young males look on teaching as a career which is predominantly designed to be paid as a teacher. There is no proper career promotion structure.

With regard to job sharing, I am not aware of any job sharing at primary level. One principal in Wexford has advocated it on the basis of the example given, that if bank managers can do it so can principals. There were objections and a great deal of cynicism about job sharing in the classroom when it was introduced initially in the late 1980s. My experience is that it has been a positive benefit. As long as the relationships and the contracts are solid, one tends to get the best half of two people, which is never a bad thing. I am in favour of experimenting with it. We could consider job sharing on a trial basis and examine the work-life balance, in which people are now more interested. I am glad to hear a creative solution being suggested by the Deputy.

With regard to the Education for Persons with Special Educational Needs Act, the word "principal" is mentioned in the legislation 47 times. We were in this committee room three years ago when the Bill was being drafted. Principals would say that up to Hallowe'en in each new term, regardless of whether one likes it and given that there is only so much of it that can be delegated, approximately 50% of one's time, whether one is a teaching or non-teaching principal, is spent addressing — I do not like the word "dealing" because it sounds diminutive to the issue — the needs of children, parents, SENOs, teachers and resource teachers who are dealing with special needs. Everybody must go through the principal.

The principal teacher is central to negotiating and putting the right solutions in place, looking for resources and so forth. It is probably the single biggest consumer of a principal's time. I could discuss all the other areas as well but this is probably the single biggest demand. It is the most important function in a school for the principal teacher to get right, that these most vulnerable children are looked after properly with regard to resources, teaching quality, IEPs and so forth. However, the impact it has on all the other tasks a principal must do is profound. I will use the analogy of a glass of water. If one fills the glass of water and continues to pour more water into it, the water will go in but something else is constantly coming out. That is what is happening to the role of principal.

Michael Fullan is an international expert on this area. He has said that the irony of the situation is profound. The more the research internationally and in Ireland realises that principals are key to educational change and management, the more everybody is imposing obligations and responsibilities on them. Each new legislative measure by and large bypasses the board of management and uses the phrase "the principal shall". Why? It is because the board is voluntary and is more difficult to hold to account whereas the role of principal has effectively become that of accounting officer for the school. An increasing number of press releases from the Department of Education and Science now refer to the principal. A recent one stated that the principal shall manage the finances related to DEIS. Heretofore, the chairperson of the board of management would have been the nominal person held to account for such activities.

We are aghast at the extent to which this is happening. This responsibility is being devolved from the board to the principal without a realisation that the principalship is already overloaded. It is also legally inappropriate. The current governance structure of schools, with all its failures, is clear in legislation yet the principal is being identified as almost replacing the board in the Department's views with regard to certain functions. This is particularly noticeable in the Education (Welfare) Act, as well as in the Education for Persons with Special Educational Needs Act.

I wish to raise a few other points. Senator O'Toole referred to boards of management. I hope I was not unclear in my comments on boards of management. Our research on boards of management shows that they are incredibly loyal to their principals most of the time. They are also incredibly supportive and generally benevolent towards schools, and do as much as they can. The point I was making was that the reality of modern life is such that volunteerism is on the wane in the traditional sense. It is growing in new senses, but not in the traditional sense. The evidence is that boards of management are finding it harder to fill positions. The turnover of membership, even within the lifetime of a board, is noticeable.

I disagree with the observation — I think it was made by Deputy English, although I may be incorrect in attributing that comment to him — concerning difficulties with clerical chairpersons of boards of management. Difficulties concern personalities, not roles. There is no evidence of a greater or lesser difficulty between principals and chairpersons of boards of management, whether they be religious or lay people. It is purely random.

As regards most well-intentioned community servants joining boards of management, once they realise the responsibility involved, they become aware that theirs is an extremely onerous position. They often wind up making decisions that affect children, teachers and parents in the community. The days are gone when serving on a board of management meant ensuring the ship was steady, the bank balance was in the black and all was rosy in the garden. That was easy to maintain until the mid-1980s. Nowadays, however, boards of management are required to fulfil a serious governance function which increasingly, as we argue, many either cannot or do not wish to fulfil. By and large, principals really appreciate their boards of management but they recognise that benevolence, goodwill and loyalty do not replace work.

I will cite one anecdote concerning a chairperson of a board of management, although I am aware that one swallow does not make a summer. Three days ago, a principal told me that it was three months since he had been able to access his chairperson. No cheques have been signed because the chairperson insists on counter-signing them. The chairperson travels a great deal and is an executive in a large company. The chairperson is very good when he is around but has created huge difficulties because of his unavailability.

On the issue of separate salary scales, perhaps I misunderstood Senator O'Toole. There is a gross misunderstanding of some of these issues. Neither the IPPN nor its publications have ever advocated the promotion of the role of principal to the chief executive model, or the creation of such a model that would be parallel to the school principal's role. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I would argue that it would be detrimental. I support Senator O'Toole's premise that it would be a disaster for schools to have non-teachers running them, as happens in Sweden.

I am glad to hear that. When I read this document I underlined four items under the heading of solutions. What the Chairperson said is right — I was not suggesting that Mr. Cottrell was advocating a chief executive role. I was saying, however, that this is where he was getting to, if one takes those four points together. Point one is to create a separate salary structure, while point two is to provide adequate administrative and other resources to enable principals to focus on their core responsibility, the quality of teaching. An administrative structure has now been set up beside the principal, on a different kind of pay scale to the other teachers. The principal teacher is now focusing on the educational aspect. The third point is to provide for paid, skilled professionals to manage non-educational functions, such as HR — obviously, the appointment of teachers is involved there — finance — what money is paid out for support levels in different classrooms — and ICT. I consider that the principal should be involved in those core items. The document also refers to a principal's contract. I accept Mr. Cottrell's point that this was not what he intended, but those four points lead only in one direction. They allow anybody with the bad-mindedness, which I have come across over the years in other places, to say "That's fine. We can solve all that. We will put people in to do those things and we will let the principal concentrate on the core responsibility of teaching." I cited examples such as Lusk, Finglas and other places where they have put that system in place. The document reflects this almost word for word, so Mr. Cottrell can see what I am worried about.

Mr. Cottrell

This is a summary document.

I accept that.

Mr. Cottrell

If the Senator reads about these matters in more detail in our other documentation, plus our official position at conferences, it will be quite clear what we are talking about.

Mr. Cottrell

The Senator's concern may have led him to anticipate what is not actually there. This is available diagrammatically also to aid clarity. We are suggesting that the role of a principal ultimately has to be — and currently is, in the legal framework — the officer accountable to a board of management for the running and management of all aspects of the school. We are saying that principals must be taken out of the fog of non-educational work. That does not mean a parallel universe with regard to a different administrative structure. We are talking about something as simple as a skilled secretary and skilled caretaker who can handle the stuff a principal ought not to be doing, and who would report to the principal. It may not be a comparable public sector example, but every general practitioner's office has a secretary who is capable of handling correspondence. The GP is not typing or posting letters. We are talking about an administrative structure in schools. We are not talking about a separate administrative line, but about an administrative——

I accept what Mr. Cottrell is saying.

Mr. Cottrell

I want to finish my point.

Is it not leading in that direction?

Mr. Cottrell

It is not leading in that direction.

I must interrupt both speakers, I am afraid. There is a vote in the Dáil which concerns the Deputies present here. We will have to wind up the discussion at this stage.

Mr. Cottrell

May I conclude with one brief point, please?

Very quickly.

Mr. Cottrell

The chief executive model is the last thing in the world that principal teachers want — correctly so, as it would be to the detriment of schools. In effect, principals are being forced to behave like chief executives without chief executives' supports. We want a structure which allows principals, who lead and manage their schools, to devote their time to what they do best, which is teaching. They should have the proper support structures in place. That is the consistent argument throughout our publications.

I thank Mr. Cottrell. I also have to leave the committee because I have a meeting to attend.

I thank everybody for their contributions.

The joint committee adjourned at 12.58 p.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, 7 December 2006.
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