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JOINT COMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN AFFAIRS (Sub-Committee on European Scrutiny) debate -
Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004

Scrutiny of EU Proposals.

I suggest that, as we proceed, committee members look at the scrutiny document provided. I will supply a brief note on each item and then pause to give members an opportunity to intervene if they so wish.

COM (2004) 208 is a proposed decision on the position to be adopted by the Union within the ACP-EC Council of Ministers regarding a decision on the use of the reserve of the long-term development envelope of the ninth European Development Fund. I will not read out the document unless members wish me to. I will refer to any point in the document if a member so wishes. Once members signify that they are satisfied with the document, I propose to move on. What members will essentially be agreeing to is that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny at this stage but that it be forwarded to the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs for the information of the sub-committee on development co-operation. Is that agreed? Agreed.

COM (2004) 232 is a proposed directive on the licensing of railway undertakings. This is a codified version. Under this legislation, railway undertakings are required to meet requirements relating to a number of criteria such as financial fitness.

I presume our rail system is financially fit.

As a frequent user of our railway system, I must declare an interest. It is fine from my point of view but, as to its financial soundness, I must defer to a member of one of the Government parties for advice.

The Acting Chairman is correct.

The document is simply to consolidate matters.

It is merely a codified version. Is it agreed? Agreed.

COM (2004) 290 is a proposed directive on foodstuffs intended for particular nutritional uses. This is a codified version. The proposal is that it does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed. COM (2004) 326 is a proposed Council directive introducing minimum Community measures for the control of certain diseases affecting bivalve molluscs. I gather this means shellfish such as oysters, clams and mussels. Again, this is a codification exercise with regard to existing European measures for controlled diseases affecting such fish. Is it agreed? Agreed.

It was a good idea to simplify procedure in this way.

COM (2004) 327 is the Green Paper on public private partnerships, PPPs, and Community law on public contracts and concessions. I understand that the law does not lay down any specific rules governing PPPs. The proposal is that the Green Paper be forwarded to the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service for consideration. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.6, COM (2004) 361, is an amended proposal for a directive on intermodal loading units. I recall that expression from earlier in the year. I believe it was last February. At the time it was referred to the Committee on Transport. There was some concern that the proposal might have negative cost effects on carriers of freight. It is proposed that the proposal be forwarded to the Committee on Transport for information and to the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights regarding the amended provisions concerning the harmonisation of criminal sanctions. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Do the other committees not scrutinise those?

Does the Senator mean the Committee on Transport?

Or whichever.

I will have to check that. The original proposal was referred by the sub-committee to the Committee on Transport for further scrutiny since it essentially fell into its area. Some concerns were expressed at the time and effectively dealt with by that committee. I am now advised that this up-to-date amended proposal does not require further scrutiny but that it should be forwarded to both the Committee on Transport and the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights.

Is that agreed? Agreed. No. 1.7 is the proposal for which the recommendation is that further scrutiny is not necessary. It is the Green Paper on equality and non-discrimination in an enlarged European Union.

It says that the deadline for the submission of views is 31 August 2004. Surely this is fairly important.

No. 1.7 is COM (2004) 379. Challenges in the area of equality in the enlarged EU are highlighted. It is suggested that there is a need to address the situation of the Roma and other ethnic minorities. What constitutes an ethnic minority? I have seen some controversial definitions. Opinion in Europe, as expressed in the Eurobarometer surveys, offers a mandate for the EU's continuing efforts in the field of anti-discrimination and equal treatment.

Article 13 provides the basis for current directives on racial equality and employment equality. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights also prohibits discrimination, and that is recognised in the draft constitutional treaty. The Green Paper outlines the consequences of those and other developments of relevance, such as the world conference against racism and xenophobia. The Green Paper suggests that the implementation of anti-discrimination measures across the EU is uneven. I suppose that is a statement of fact. The Commission is therefore seeking views on the possibilities of strengthening an integrated approach to anti-discrimination measures.

The Department suggests that the Green Paper contains no specific implications for Ireland. It is therefore a question of whether the Department makes a submission before the agreed deadline of 31 August. The proposal before me is that the Green Paper be forwarded to the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights for information at this stage. How does the Senator feel about that?

It is an important issue and just because it does not have specific implications for Ireland does not mean that we should not have a view on it. The only point that occurred to me was that the deadline of 31 August makes it quite difficult for the committee to bring forward a view.

I suppose the alternative would be to send it for scrutiny to the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights, but it is likely that it will not meet before 31 August. The clerk has corrected me that it is a Green Paper.

That is the point.

We have nothing to scrutinise. We are merely being informed as to a process.

We are asked to make submissions.

Technically, the correct approach for us is to refer it to the relevant committee which is then empowered to take steps, if it so decides, to bring in people.

I am sure that the deadline is not cast in stone.

That is right. The clerk tells me that she will ensure that it goes over today in case there is any sense of urgency on the part of the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights. I attended the last meeting of that committee this morning, and I am not sure that there is a meeting upcoming over the holiday season. Essentially, we are doing our job by referring it to the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights.

I understand that.

Is that agreed? Agreed. No. 1.8, COM (2004) 390, is a proposed regulation regarding fishing for Baltic cod. That would not appear to have any great implications for Ireland. We have no quotas in the Baltic Sea. The recommendation that I must put to the committee is that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

It is now that we are missing Paddy Sheehan.

He nearly had his chance. The battleground will now be Kildare.

No. 1.9, COM (2004) 402, is the decision of the European Parliament and the Council on the mobilisation of the flexibility instrument in favour of the rehabilitation and reconstruction of Iraq. That is an interesting one. It appears that support for the stabilisation and reconstruction process in Iraq is one of the key external priorities of the EU according to the Commission, and so it should be. It is seeking approval for a budget heading amounting to €200 million for actions relating to that goal. I understand that €190 million would be aid related to the rehabilitation and reconstruction of Iraq and €10 million for the development and consolidation of democracy. This proposal will form part of the budgetary procedure for 2005. The additionality involved is €115 million, so there has been a considerable improvement. It obviously has no direct implications for Ireland.

Is this not going to the Committee on Foreign Affairs?

The proposal is that it does not require further scrutiny by us as a separate proposal at this stage, but that we send it to the Committee on European Affairs for information in the context of its consideration of the 2005 budget later this year. It must go to it because of the budgetary implications.

That is fine, but could we make a note for this item to be put on the agenda specifically?

Does the Deputy want it as part of the consideration of the budget or as a separate issue?

I want it linked, but it should be highlighted. If we simply discuss next year's budget, we will never raise this issue.

I understand and respect the point made. The clerk tells me that she will ensure that the point is taken on board. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.10, SEC (2004) 910, is the preliminary draft amending budget No. 9 to the budget for 2004, dealing with the general statement of revenue. It arises following the positive vote in the northern area of the island of Cyprus to the UN settlement proposal and the Council's invitation to the Commission to advance the proposal to encourage the economic development of the Turkish Cypriot community.

Does the same procedure apply? Is this for next year's budget?

I will have to go through it here.

If we put the other item on the agenda, we will have to do the same for this, since they are linked.

Let us earmark them both specifically for mention.

On that basis of specific mention, can we decide against further scrutiny at this stage as a separate proposal and instead forward the item to the Committee on European Affairs for its information and as a specific proposal to be considered in the context of the committee's consideration of the 2005 budget later this year? The only slight concern I have is that it refers to amending the 2004 budget. Does that cause any problems? The technical aspects have been clarified by our adviser. This is the correct procedure, even though it is an amendment of the 2004 budget. The consequence is that it is moved into the 2005 budget. The correct procedure is to take it up in the context of the 2005 budget.

The Acting Chairman is right. It will only add €1.16 million to the 2004 payment appropriations. In other words, people presumably are spending money this year even though they will discuss it next year. That is not good enough because, by the time it is being discussed next year, the money will already have been spent.

We are getting into complex territory, but the kind of money we are talking about for the 2004 to 2006 period — €259 million — is quite substantial.

It says €1.16 million in the documentation.

This relates to the fact that we are dealing with northern Cyprus and the rather complex situation arising there. As a result of that, there is a question of a positive vote that is necessary. I am somewhat lost myself. I believe the best course of action is to ask the clerk to send a note to the member.

We are all keen to help northern Cyprus, but the fact is nobody wants to spend even one cent until this has been scrutinised and approved by this committee. This our obligation to the taxpayer. I do not want to approve this document unless we have had a discussion on how €1.16 million, as Irish money, is being spent in northern Cyprus.

My interpretation of it is that the money is in the budget for 2004 to 2006. What appears to be in question is in which year it is to be spent. I do not believe it will make any difference whether we put it on the agenda for the next meeting of the committee. A package is there to be spent over a period. Obviously it has been decided to spend more in one year than another. It is only a technicality.

It is a legal technicality of spending the money in an area which de facto is outside the EU. This the complexity that arises when we are dealing with northern Cyprus. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward suitable proposals in spite of the lack of reunification because of the positive vote on the Turkish Cypriot side and the negative vote on the Greek Cypriot side. This amending budget will provide €6 million in the 2004 budget, while the Commission intends to submit a letter to amend the 2005 preliminary draft budget to include €114 million.

This can be clarified simply. Is it proposed that money will be spent on northern Cyprus in the year 2004?

Some of that will be Irish money.

That will be €1.16 million.

My point is that if by supporting this document we are approving that; it should be discussed before we spend the money. That is what accountability means. We do this for our own budget.

It should be borne in mind that the actual spending — the amount of moneys — has already been agreed in the 2004 budget. The proposal here is to provide a proper legal basis to take into account the referendum result. The Deputy is concerned about moneys that have already been discussed and debated.

I understand that. Does that include the €1.16 million?

All that is being considered here is the provision of a legal basis under which the appropriations in the amended budget will be spent.

If the Chairman reads No. 14 on that paper, it says "it will only add" €1.16 million to the 2004 payment appropriations. That indicates to me that Ireland's contribution will be €1.16 million more than we discussed in the budget last December. If that is the case, no money should go through on the nod.

The point, in principle, has been made.

Why not do what was originally proposed, that is, have it as a separate agenda item within the consideration of the budget by the combined overall committee, the same as the previous item?

If the committee is happy with that proposal, I am prepared to accept it.

This is a discussion we should be having when the matter is referred to the committee.

Yes. That discussion is provisionally fixed for the middle of September.

That is fine, as long as we are not approving this expenditure here today.

We are not approving anything in this regard.

My understanding is that this is a scrutiny sub-committee which refers proposals by the EU in whatever form they come to the various committees. We do not approve anything here. We ensure that matters are sent for scrutiny to the right committee and, if we want to comment on particular issues, we can. That was always my understanding.

Appropriation is a matter for the Dáil.

To take everything into account, perhaps the better way of dealing with it is to hand it over to the Joint Committee on European Affairs to be dealt with at its next meeting without even saying the proposal warrants further scrutiny. None of us is fully prepared to deal with the rather technical complex point legitimately raised on this issue. That is probably the best suggestion I can make to ensure the proposal is fully examined.

Should it not also go to the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service because it is adding an extra item of expenditure of €1.16 million onto the Irish national budget? That committee should be aware of it.

That is a good point. If the Deputy wants that done, it should be sent to the Committee on Finance and the Public Service for information.

It should include comments and whatever. We cannot agree on the nod and without proper scrutiny to the expenditure of money. That is what this document would do.

Even with proper scrutiny, we cannot agree to it.

We can veto the expenditure money.

It is not within our competence to agree to it.

We can veto——

Is there a difficulty? Are we diluting the function of the Committee on European Affairs if we send it to another committee for scrutiny as well as information?

Can the Acting Chairman repeat the question.

It is quite common, I understand, to refer a proposal to a particular committee for scrutiny while at the same time referring it to other committees for information. I gather serious complications may arise if it is sent to two committees for scrutiny as to which has a pre-dominant role etc.

It should be sent to the Committee on European Affairs for scrutiny and the Committee on Finance and the Public Service for information purposes.

Is that agreed? Agreed. No. 1.11, COM (2004) 420, is the proposed Council Decision concerning the Community position regarding draft decision 1/2003 and draft recommendation 1/2003 of the joint committee set up under the Interbus agreement on the international occasional carriage of passengers by coach and bus. The main purpose of the agreement is to liberalise access to the market for certain occasional services, for example, once-off journeys such as special tours. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.12, COM (2004) 423, is the proposed Council Decision concluding consultations with Guinea Bissau under Article 96 of the ACP-EU Cotonou Agreement. It follows the military coup of 14 September 2003 and the condemnation of this action by the European Union. The Commission states the coup was incompatible with the essential elements specified in Article 9 of the agreement.

At the end of the 18-month period referred to regarding reallocation of uncommitted financial resources in the context of this situation, how are these resources re-allocated and who scrutinises the reallocation? It has never arisen in this kind of situation.

There is a reserve fund for long-term development. This has already been dealt with under heading 1.1 which is concerned with the long-term development envelope of the European Development Fund. If it is unspent, it goes back to that fund.

That is fine.

This touches on the general concern regarding the enormous level of unspent EU funding on development co-operation. At one stage, this was close to €10 billion. While some progress has been made in tackling the issue, it can be seen how problems arise and how funds must be delayed, withdrawn or re-allocated depending on circumstances.

No. 1.13, COM (2004) 424, is the proposed regulation laying down the weightings applicable from 1 January 2004 to the remuneration of officials of the European Communities serving in third countries. I am sure the committee will want time to study this. Purchasing power can vary between countries and an adjustment has been made on the basis of the relative purchasing power of the salaries paid in Brussels. Some committee members might seek higher expenses to live in some parts of this country rather than seeking weightings of salary.

For the record, the Chairman should say what is proposed.

It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.14, COM (2004) 435, is the proposed regulation opening and providing for the administration of autonomous Community tariff quotas for certain agricultural and industrial products. It provides a mechanism by which European producers can seek to ensure that they have a sufficient level of raw materials to maintain production by applying for changes to a tariff quota regime in place for certain products. It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.15, COM (2004) 440, is the proposed regulation imposing definitive anti-dumping duties on imports of certain seamless pipes and tubes of iron or non-alloy steel originating in, inter alia, Russia and Romania. Duties were imposed on a number of countries in 1997. A number of these have subsequently become member states of the European Union and the duties have been removed. Therefore, as of 1 May, the duties only applied to Russia and Romania.

They are not welcome, I take it.

Not as far as I can see. The Department reports no difficulties from the proposal. It is proposed that it does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.16, COM (2004) 455, is a proposal for a Council decision on the date of application of Council Directive 2003/48/EC of 3 June 2003 on taxation of savings income in the form of interest payments. It provides for the savings income of non-residents to be subject to effective taxation through the sharing of information or through the application of a withholding tax. This measure was to have become operational from 1 January 2005 if certain smaller European states and dependent territories of member states were in a position to implement similar measures. It is now proposed to have it operational from 1 July 2005. It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny but should be forwarded to the Committee on Finance and the Public Service for information purposes. Is that agreed? Agreed.

There are three further proposals before us: 1.17 — COM (2004) 750, 1.18 — COM (2004) 484, and 1.19 — COM (2004) 485. Originally, they were before the committee on the basis that they did not require further scrutiny, but I must advise that they have been adopted in the meantime. No. 1.17, COM (2004) 750, is a proposed Council Decision on the position to be adopted within the ACP-EC committee of ambassadors concerning the staff regulations of the Centre for the Development of Enterprise. The Commission felt the time was right to proceed with the adoption of staff regulations and the Department agrees. There was considerable delay in the past and the staff regulations outline the structure of the organisation and the best practice for its operations. It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.18, COM (2004) 484, is a proposal for a Council decision modifying the Community import regime with respect to rice. It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 1.19, COM (2004) 485, is the proposed decision on the conclusion of an agreement between the EU and India and the EU and Pakistan pursuant to Article XXVIII of GATT 1994 relating to the modification of concessions with respect to rice provided for in Schedule CXL annexed to the GATT 1994. It is proposed that the proposal does not warrant further scrutiny. Is that agreed? Agreed.

To sum up, it is proposed that Nos. 1.1 to 1.16 inclusive do not warrant further scrutiny and should be forwarded for information to sectoral committees as specifically agreed, and that the formal position in regard to Nos. 1.17 to 1.19, as they have been adopted, is to note them. Is that agreed? Agreed. Nos. 1.9 and 1.10 will be placed on the agenda of the Committee on European Affairs for the next meeting.

It is proposed to refer Nos. 2.1 to 2.5 to sectoral committees for further scrutiny. I am advised that Nos. 2.2 and 2.4 will require discussion. With regard to No. 2.2, a letter from the Medical Council has been circulated. No. 2.1, COM (2004) 289, is a proposed regulation establishing a Community fisheries control agency and amending the regulation establishing a control system applicable to the Common Fisheries Policy. The Common Fisheries Policy is important to Ireland as an island nation and, as a representative of a coastal constituency, I stress that this proposal requires careful scrutiny. Shall I go through the proposal?

It is quite clear. It will require secondary legislation and I agree that it should be referred to the Joint Committee on Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, as suggested.

The significant issues raised by this proposal should be referred to that committee for careful consideration. Is that agreed? Agreed.

A letter from the Medical Council on the matter of No. 2.2, COM (2004) 317, has been received by the sub-committee and copies distributed to members. This proposal may require some discussion. It is an amendment proposal for a directive on the recognition of professional qualifications. The sub-committee considered this issue on a previous occasion following contact from the Medical Council which had a number of concerns about an earlier draft of the proposal, COM (2002) 119. A delegation from the council gave a presentation to the Joint Committee on Health and Children on the draft proposal which predated the current scrutiny process for EU legislation.

The objective is to consolidate 15 existing directives in this area, which is a significant undertaking. The proposed directive would also facilitate the mutual recognition process by easing regulations with regard to registration and the practice of a profession in another member state. The proposal moves beyond the current system of recognition and incorporates aspects of recognition of a right to provide a service. It is therefore closely related to the proposal on the right to provide a service, COM (2002) 2, which members will recall was considered by the sub-committee and referred to the Joint Committee on Enterprise and Small Business for further scrutiny.

The Department's information note states that the amended Commission text has been superseded to some extent by a Presidency proposal that achieved political agreement at the May Competitiveness Council, and this new package will be considered by the European Parliament under the Dutch Presidency. I understand that the Department indicated that the current text provides for particular arrangements with regard to human health and safety professions. The professions will differ across the member states. In Britain, for example, it would include gas installation practitioners. The Department has provided a list of the professions that would be covered by these arrangements in Ireland. Under these provisions, the professional seeking to operate on a temporary basis within another member state would apply for approval through the professional body which could seek further clarification before granting such approval. No additional financial costs can be incurred by those seeking temporary registration.

It would be a matter for each professional body to determine what "temporary" meant for that profession. For example, a specialist may carry out a medical operation over a number of hours while a building construction specialist may work on a project for a number of months. The objective of the proposal is to increase labour mobility and this will have obvious implications for the professions.

It is proposed that the proposal be referred to the Joint Committee on Education and Science for further scrutiny, to the Joint Committee on Health and Children for information in the context of the special measures regarding health qualifications and to the Joint Committee on Enterprise and Small Business for information in the context of its consideration of the services directive, COM (2002) 2. The sub-committee does not need to consider the concern raised by the Medical Council letter other than to be aware that this concern is related to three particular issues. These are the article preventing the council from charging a fee for pro forma registration, Article 7.4 regarding the provision of an aptitude test, and Article 9 which sets out information which the competent authorities of the member states may require the service provider to give to recipients of the service. It is inappropriate for the sub-committee to consider these concerns in detail as they are issues which should be presented to the Joint Committee on Health and Children. The letter from the Medical Council should be forwarded to that committee to assist it in its deliberations on this matter. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 2.3, COM (2004) 439, is a proposed Council decision authorising the placing on the market of foods and food ingredients derived from genetically modified maize line NK603 as novel foods or novel food ingredients. This is one of a series of Commission proposals on novel foods. Senator Dardis could present a dissertation to the sub-committee on this matter.

I would be reluctant to do so just before the summer recess.

Perhaps it would not be safe to do so. Apparently, this proposal follows from the effective lifting of the moratorium on such proposals relating to genetic modification earlier this year. This is obviously a controversial issue. Monsanto applied through the Dutch authorities for approval under EU regulations to market genetically modified maize line NK603 and members are aware of what has happened since.

This mirrors the situation with Bt11 in that it came before the standing committee on the food chain and animal health on 30 April 2004. I assume this matter did not come before the sub-committee because that type of request is not covered by our scrutiny legislation, as was the case with Bt11. Perhaps the sub-committee might note that the Joint Committee on Health and Children unanimously rejected Bt11. I am unsure, however, whether that committee notified the Minister for Health and Children of this unanimous rejection. I notice that the Agriculture Council meeting took place two days ago on 19 July and I assume the Government voted in favour of genetically modified maize line NK603, as it did with regard to Bt 11 at the standing committee on the food chain and animal health. Given the Joint Committee on Health and Children's rejection of Bt11, that committee may well also reject this proposal. Even though it is ex post facto, this matter should be referred to the committee for scrutiny. Any mechanism for informing the Minister for Agriculture and Food and the Minister for Health and Children of such rejections should be utilised.

I take Deputy Mulcahy's point and I acknowledge that the Government supported the proposal to permit the placing on the market of this maize line based on the available scientific advice. Denmark, Greece, Luxembourg, Austria and Portugal voted against the proposal while Germany and Spain abstained, so a qualified majority was not attained. I understand that Deputy Mulcahy proposed to refer this matter to the Joint Committee on Health and Children for scrutiny and to any other relevant committees for noting, including possibly the Joint Committee on Agriculture and Food and the Joint Committee on Environment and Local Government, and to refer decisions arising from such considerations to the relevant Ministers. Deputy Mulcahy may perhaps have better lines of communication with Ministers than I. Does the Deputy envisage that relevant Ministers be advised of the results of the various committees' deliberations?

It is a matter for the Joint Committee on Health and Children to communicate such information to Ministers. The legal situation with regard to Bt11 was that neither the Agriculture Council nor the Health Council could reach agreement on the issue. Under the comitology procedure, the matter was then referred back to the Commission. The sub-committee debated this matter on an earlier occasion because I and many other people were disappointed that it fell to the Commission to make an important decision which will affect all member states. We had an opinion on that from the Oireachtas legal adviser and I am informed we are due to get a second legal opinion on that point from the legal adviser. This is a serious matter. As the Sub-committee on European Scrutiny, we have to do what we can in this regard.

I take that point. Would the Deputy be satisfied if we proceeded with this matter, as I proposed, by referring it to the Joint Committee on Health and Children for scrutiny, referring it to other committees for noting and bringing it to the attention of the Department co-ordinator?

We will bring to the attention of the Department coordinator the views expressed and the decision taken.

Many decisions are being made by the standing committee on the food chain and animal health. As they slip outside the terms of the scrutiny legislation, they do not come before this committee for scrutiny. This raises the issue of the need to reform the scrutiny legislation, and I apologise for raising that matter here. However, should the scope of that legislation include scrutiny at one level down?

I understand that at joint committee level, a consultant is preparing a report on the issue of comitology, which was mentioned. There is a danger of issues slipping through the floorboards, so to speak, without being scrutinised. This is a valid point. It is to be hoped the consultant will bring to the joint committee an approach which will ensure that this can be avoided for the future. I gather the report has not been received from the consultant, but it is being examined and it will be on the agenda of the next meeting of the joint committee. Is it agreed that we will proceed on the basis proposed? Agreed.

The next item is No. 2.4, Council Document 8958 of 2004, which I have marked to draw to the attention of members. It is a draft framework decision on the retention of data processed and stored in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or data on public communications networks for the purpose of prevention, investigation, detection and prosecution of crime and criminal offences, including terrorism.

The European Council in its declaration on terrorism of 25 March last instructed the Council to examine measures in a number of areas, including proposals for establishing rules on the retention of communications traffic data by service providers. It also determined that priority should be given, inter alia, to proposals relating to the retention of communications traffic data with a view to adoption by June 2005.

This proposal is co-sponsored by a number of member states, including ourselves, France, Sweden and the UK, and concerns communications traffic and the harmonisation of the rules governing the retention of related data. It is proposed that the data should be stored for between 12 to 36 months following its generation. However, members will have noted that the proposed measure includes an option for longer periods. Member states can request access to information stored on the basis of established judicial co-operation procedures. The earliest implementation date for the proposed measure is June 2007, which is some time away and obviously there is a good deal of work to be done in the meantime.

The Department's note indicates that temporary measures are in place on the retention of the data in Ireland and that this proposal will largely determine the content of the primary legislation. The eventual shape of the measures proposed could have cost implications for the service providers, although advances in technology and the fact that much of the data would be retained for billing purposes would mean that the additionality of the measures would be limited.

It is considered this is a proposal that needs to be fully considered and that the appropriate committee is the Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No.s 2.5, COM (2004) 57, is the proposed regulation on the creation of a European foundation for the improvement of living and working conditions. This proposal was deferred from the previous meeting. Clarification had been provided on almost all the points where it had been sought. The last remaining issue is potentially the most significant and concerns staff regulations at the foundation. The current understanding from the Department is that aspects of the proposal through which two staff regulations would be operated at the foundation remain on the table and will be discussed again in September. Under these proposals the foundation would continue to operate under its existing staff regulations, but new staff would operate under the EU institution's regulations. This would raise difficulties for a small organisation such as the foundation.

This proposal is mostly technical. It is proposed to refer the proposal to the Committee on Enterprise and Small Business with particular reference to the issue of staff regulations at the foundation. Do members have any queries on that? Is that agreed? Agreed.

We now move to four proposals which were adopted prior to scrutiny. No. 3.1, COM (2004) 807, is a council decision concerning the conclusion of the WHO Framework Convention on Tobacco Control. The WHO convention encompasses advertising and sponsorship, labelling, illicit trade and second-hand smoke or passive smoking. This measure seeking consent for the European Community to ratify the convention was adopted by the Council on 1 June. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 3.2, COM (2004) 211, is a decision of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing a Community action plan to promote bodies active at European level in the field of culture. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 3.3, COM (2004) 422, is a Council regulation authorising transfers between the quantitative limits of textiles and clothing products originating in the socialist republic of Vietnam. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed?

What does the Acting Chairman mean by noting?

It has already been adopted and we are noting that it has been adopted.

That is fine.

It is the only course open to us. If we were seriously concerned about it, we would bring in an official from the Department, but generally the advice is that it does not cause any difficulty. This measure was adopted on 12 July. Therefore, we are noting that fact. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 3.4, COM (2004) 188, is a Council decision on a Community position regarding the draft decision of the joint committee established under the agreement between the EU and the Swiss confederation on the free movement of persons. This agreement goes back a long time and I recall there was considerable discussion on it as far back as 1999. It entered into force in June 2002. To a degree, this is a catch-up process. We are somewhat in default in this regard due to the heavy workload during the Presidency, which is understandable. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Nos. 4.1 to 4.5 are common foreign and security policy measures. No. 4.1, CFSP (2004) 530, is a Council joint action extending the mandate of the special representative of the EU for the African Great Lakes region. The special representative's mandate has been extended to the end of February 2005. Is it proposed to note this measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

They are all more or less the same.

No. 4.2, CFSP (2004) 531, is a Council joint action extending the mandate of the special representative of the EU in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 4.3, CFSP (2004) 532, is a Council joint action extending the mandate of the special representative of the EU for the south Caucasus up to February 2005. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 4.4, CFSP (2004) 533, is a Council joint action extending and amending the mandate of the special representative of EU in Afghanistan, again up to the end of February 2005. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed.

No. 4.5, CFSP (2004) 534, is a Council joint action extending the mandate of the special representative of the EU on the Middle East peace process, again up to February 2005. It is proposed to note the measure. Is that agreed? Agreed. The minutes of the previous meeting have been circulated. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. There is a question on the agenda concerning the reports of the sub-committee, but I propose to defer consideration of further reports to the next meeting. Is that agreed? Agreed.

It is proposed that a revised format be employed for future meetings of the sub-committee. Under the current format, issues for which further scrutiny is not recommended are dealt with first. It is proposed that in future the sub-committee will at each meeting deal first with proposals that are recommended for further scrutiny. The files that are thought to be of most significant interest will be dealt with first at the beginning of the meeting, and they would be followed by title four and common foreign and security policy, CSFP, measures. We would then deal lastly with proposals recommended for no further scrutiny and adopted proposals.

If the sub-committee is agreeable, it is proposed to amend the format of future reports to include only a list of proposals where the sub-committee has agreed that no further scrutiny is required. Is that agreed?

Is the proposal just for ones that do not require further scrutiny?

Everything is included but there would be a list of issues about which the sub-committee had come to a view that no further scrutiny was required. They would be in list format as opposed to detailed format.

Is that where no further scrutiny was required?

Yes, by the sub-committee.

How would the sub-committee adduce that on the basis of a list?

This is in the report afterwards.

I am sorry. I beg your pardon, Acting Chairman.

Are you happy with that?

The proposal is agreed. The other item on the agenda is the date and time of the next meeting. The proposal is that the next meeting will be held on Thursday, 9 September 2004 at 9.30 a.m. Does that date suit members? That meeting may be followed by a joint committee meeting at 11 a.m.

Will that be at about 11 o'clock or so?

The clerk informs me that she will ring around to touch base with members. She wants to have a provisional programme to put to members as a proposal. If significant problems arise, she will obviously refer back to us.

Will the Chairman be present at that meeting?

The Chairman has promised or threatened to be present.

The sub-committee adjourned at 3.45 p.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, 9 September 2004.

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