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Thursday, 10 Nov 2011

Forthcoming General Affairs and Foreign Affairs Councils: Discussion with Minister of State

Today we have an initiative that the Chairman of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade and I have agreed. Wherever possible, and there is an overlap, we will work together, combine the committees and hold a joint meeting. That is what we propose to do today. The remit of both committees today has an overlap on general affairs and foreign affairs and Deputy Breen and I will combine our activities.

The first item on the agenda is the forthcoming General Affairs Council meeting followed immediately by the Foreign Affairs Council meeting. The Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade with special responsibility for foreign affairs, Deputy Lucinda Creighton, will address us. On behalf of both committees I welcome her and we are delighted to discuss the forthcoming Council meetings with her. Before I ask her to give her opening remarks I want to give the floor to Deputy Pat Breen, Chairman of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade.

I thank Deputy Costello and I am delighted to co-chair this meeting. Unfortunately, I have another meeting at 12.30 p.m. and will leave then. I welcome my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Creighton, to today's meeting. This is the first time that members of my committee have met her and we are delighted to have the opportunity to do so. Perhaps in her capacity as Minister of State with responsibility for European affairs Deputy Creighton might at some stage attend a meeting of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade when we meet separately because she also attends some foreign affairs meetings in Brussels.

I wish the Minister of State well in her new post. I was talking to her last night. She has a busy schedule ahead of her for the next two weeks. She will be out of the country for much of that time attending meetings. It is a challenging time for Europe, particularly in the present climate.

The Minister of State, Deputy Lucinda Creighton will represent this country at the Foreign Affairs Council meeting of foreign Ministers with the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, whom we meet often at meetings of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade. The latter will attend in her capacity as Minister of State with responsibility for trade and development.

In addition to the main items on the agenda for the meeting today I look forward to hearing the views of the Minister of State, Deputy Creighton on the current situation in the Horn of Africa. Our committee has held a number of meetings on the appalling humanitarian crisis in the region. It is appropriate that next weekend a delegation from the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs will travel to Ethiopia to view the situation at first hand. We are also interested to hear the views of the Minister of State on the Arab Spring and the forthcoming EU-US summit.

The upcoming aid effectiveness conference in Busan will be addressed at the Council meeting. I look forward to attending it with the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, at the end of the month.

While it is not entirely relevant to today's meeting it would be remiss of me not to ask the Minister of State, Deputy Creighton, to comment on the current situation regarding the detention of Irish citizens in Israel who were part of the aid flotilla to Gaza. The Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade addressed the issue this morning on the Order of Business. I met with the Israeli ambassador on Tuesday and expressed our serious concerns on the matter and I wrote a strong letter of protest today on behalf of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade.

In addition, I invite the Minister of State, Deputy Creighton to comment on the recent announcement that this country is to close its embassies in the Holy See, Iran and Timor Leste. I invite her to make her opening remarks. I again thank the Chairman, Deputy Costello, for inviting me to the meeting.

I thank Deputy Breen. I too invite the Minister of State, Deputy Creighton to make her opening remarks.

I thank both Chairmen. I am pleased to be invited by them to address the joint sitting of the Joint Committee on European Affairs and Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade and to have an opportunity to explore the agenda for both the Foreign Affairs Council and the General Affairs Council next week. These Council meetings will cover a wide range of topics, so I will endeavour to inform members of the main issues arising and Ireland's perspectives on them. I look forward to engaging in a question and answer session with members and in particular with our MEP, Ms Phil Prendergast. It is important in terms of inter-institutional engagement that we offer the opportunity to MEPs to participate in the committee meetings. I am delighted to see her.

Three distinct Council meetings will take place next Monday and Tuesday. The first is the Foreign Affairs Council proper. It will address Afghanistan; the EU's Southern Neighbourhood; the Horn of Africa; Serbia-Kosovo; CSDP issues; and it may also touch upon the forthcoming EU-US summit. I will represent Ireland at this Council meeting.

On Monday afternoon, the Foreign Affairs Council will convene in its development format, at which Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, will attend on behalf of this country. That meeting is scheduled to address the future of EU development policy; EU budget support; aid effectiveness; and the Horn of Africa.

On Tuesday, I will attend the General Affairs Council, GAC. We will have an orientation debate on the next Multiannual Financial Framework, including Cohesion Funding and the CAP. We will address a follow-up to the October European Council and we will begin to prepare for the December European Council on the basis of a draft annotated agenda. The GAC will also review the EU strategy for the Baltic Sea region.

On the margins of these Council meetings, I will also represent Ireland at a ministerial breakfast meeting of the informal group for European action on the Republic of Moldova on Monday next and an informal enlargement forum dinner also on Monday. On Sunday evening, ahead of the Foreign Affairs Council, FAC, meeting, High Representative Ashton will hold an informal dinner on Russia which will look forward to the EU-Russia summit on 14 to 15 December.

Discussions on Afghanistan at the FAC will be held in the context of the international conference in Bonn on 5 December. Ministers will strive to agree a common EU position for this conference. Work is ongoing at official level to formulate draft Council conclusions. These are likely to commit the EU to continued engagement in Afghanistan, including an extension in principle of the mandate of the EU police mission, EUPOL, beyond 2013, while emphasising the importance of strengthening Afghan institutions, democracy and governance, as well as making the international effort more coherent and cohesive.

Events in the Southern Neighbourhood continue to be a major preoccupation for the EU and member states. It is anticipated that discussion at Monday's Council will focus in particular on the current situation in Syria, as well as events in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia. The Council will again consider the serious internal situation in Syria, following last month's detailed discussion which approved further sanctions in an effort to increase pressure on President Assad to end the indiscriminate killings and detentions of protestors. This situation is deeply destabilising at an already very tense time in the region, and the only answer for now is that still greater pressure be put on President Assad, while efforts continue to reach out to influential elements associated with both the regime and the opposition. If the Arab League peace initiative, agreed to on 3 November, proves to have failed to end the violence, as appears to be the case, the Council is likely to extend the EU's targeted sanctions against those associated with the regime and who are known to have some responsibility for the repression now ongoing.

In regard to Libya, High Representative Ashton is likely to brief on her plans to visit Libya in the near future as well as discuss the immediate prospects following last month's declaration of liberation pronounced in Benghazi on 23 October. A new Prime Minister, Mr. Abdurrahim-al Keib, has now been appointed and it is hoped that a transitional government will be announced very shortly. This is an urgently required step in order to put in place an administration which can oversee the crucial transition process to the holding of planned elections next June. The Council is likely to emphasise in particular the need for full and credible investigations into all alleged violations of human rights which occurred during the conflict and to welcome the commitments made so far in this regard by the National Transitional Council.

The Council will also consider recent developments in Tunisia and Egypt and, in particular, will welcome the recently conducted legislative elections held in Tunisia on 23 October which passed off peacefully and have been positively evaluated by the EU observation mission deployed to witness them and have been welcomed by the Tánaiste. The Council may also discuss recent developments in Egypt which is preparing for historic elections on 28 November. The need for the EU and the international community to remain actively engaged with the current military authorities and with the democratic transformation under way in Egypt is evident, particularly in light of signs of growing sectarian tensions and violence which claimed the lives of 26 people, most of whom were Coptic Christians, on 9 October. The Egyptian authorities have undertaken to conduct a full investigation into these dreadful events and we would welcome that, as a clear demonstration of the commitment to implement fundamental changes in Egypt, in line with the democratic aspirations which underlay the February revolution.

Ireland is very concerned at the deteriorating humanitarian situation in the Horn of Africa, to which the Chairman, Deputy Pat Breen, already alluded, and we welcome the opportunity for a discussion at EU level. The Horn of Africa continues to experience the most severe food crisis to face the region in 60 years. Many millions of people in drought-stricken areas of Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia and Uganda remain severely affected.

The epicentre of the crisis is in southern Somalia, where famine has now been declared in six areas of the country, and where the UN has warned that 750,000 people risk starvation if efforts to respond are not scaled up sufficiently. The worsening humanitarian and security situation is closely linked to the ongoing political stalemate and the absence of a functioning administration in large swathes of the country. The EU has urged the parties, including the representatives of the UN-backed Transitional Federal Government, TFG, to press ahead with implementation of the roadmap agreed on 6 September with a view to the rapid establishment of a representative and effective government. The crisis in Somalia and the impact on the wider region demonstrates that we cannot tackle the various problems in isolation. A comprehensive response is required. The strategic framework for the Horn of Africa which foreign ministers are expected to agree next week takes an holistic approach to the region, addressing political, economic, security and humanitarian aspects. In parallel, the decision to establish an EU special representative for the region will enable the European Union to play a more proactive role in supporting long-term political solutions, and will create an EU focal point for other international actors.

On our own response to date, the Government has already allocated almost €11 million in emergency support to the crisis, having also committed itself to a total expenditure of €20 million before the end of 2012. In per capita terms, Ireland is, therefore, one of the most committed and generous donors to the region. Irish Aid has carried out two airlifts of emergency water and shelter materials to Concern and UNHCR for their activities in Somalia and the Dadaab refugee camp in Kenya. It has also deployed 24 members of its rapid response corps to humanitarian agencies in the region. The Minister of State, Deputy O’Sullivan, and I both look forward to meeting our EU counterparts next Monday to discuss how best the European Union can help in the immediate term and in terms of the long-term support that the region is likely to require.

The Foreign Affairs Council will discuss the situation in Serbia and Kosovo and, more specifically, the current state of play in the EU-facilitated dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina. It will address common security and defence policy, CSDP, issues over lunch. The discussion will follow on from the January Foreign Affairs Council conclusions and the High Representative's report in July. The focus of our discussions will be on the future of CSDP in the context of reduced resources. A more substantive discussion on CSDP issues is expected to take place at the Foreign Affairs Council in defence ministers format at the end of November. Ministers may also discuss preparations for the forthcoming EU-US summit, which is to take place in Washington on 28 November. EU-US activity since the 2010 summit in Lisbon has been intense and wide ranging.

Let me consider the development aspect of the Foreign Affairs Council. At the Foreign Affairs Council in development format, Ministers will have an opportunity to discuss the recently published European Commission document Increasing the Impact of EU Development Policy: An Agenda for Change. The communication proposes the implementation of a differentiated approach to the allocation of development aid, focusing on a limited range of sectors and countries. This, in effect, means that EU development aid will in future be concentrated on the least-developed countries, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa, and that traditional development aid will no longer be provided to countries such as Brazil, China and India.

Ireland has welcomed the Commission's communication and the focus on specific countries, such as on Ireland's programme countries in Africa and on specific poverty-reduction targets.

Development Ministers will have a discussion informed by the Commission's communication on the future approach of EU budget support to third countries. This communication, in particular, focuses on meeting strict eligibility criteria which are broadly in line with existing Irish Aid policy, with an emphasis on national policies and reforms, public financial management and overall governance. Ireland welcomes this communication.

Council conclusions will be considered by the development Foreign Affairs Council on the EU Common Position for the Fourth High Level Forum on Aid Effectiveness to be held in Busan, Korea, from 29 November to 1 December. My colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, will lead the Irish delegation in Busan and Deputy Pat Breen, Chairman of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, will also attend. The high-level forum will assess progress made in meeting the global commitments on the effective delivery of development aid as set out in the 2005 Paris Declaration on Aid Effectiveness.

Ireland has played an active role in bringing the aid effectiveness agenda to the fore at the international level and in our programme countries. The quality of aid from Ireland, as measured by the OECD, is ranked among the best globally. Last September, the OECD published the results of its 2010 Paris Declaration monitoring survey, which re-affirmed this rating.

I have already addressed the Horn of Africa item, which will appear on both Foreign Affairs Council agendas next Monday. There are four items on the agenda for next Tuesday's General Affairs Council meeting. First will be a follow-up to the European Council meeting of 23 October 2011. We will first discuss the follow-up to the European Council of 23 October, on the basis of a very useful Polish Presidency report which pulls together work items arising from European Council meetings since the start of the year.

As members may recall, the October European Council meeting focused on intensifying efforts to secure sustainable and job-creating growth, identifying a number of key priorities for action. These include measures to complete the Single Market, advance the digital single market, and improve the environment for SMEs. It also stressed the importance of reducing administrative burdens as another area with a high impact on growth. The Government very strongly supports this work and I am glad to see that it being progressed.

Next Tuesday's meeting will also look forward to the meeting of the European Council on 9 December on the basis of a draft annotated agenda. It is expected that leaders will address the overall economic situation in Europe, which is obviously unfolding at a rather rapid pace. It will also return to the question of growth-enhancing measures.

The December meeting will track progress under the Euro-Plus pact in which 24 member states, including Ireland, participate. It will also hear from President Van Rompuy who, as the members will recall, was asked to identify possible steps to strengthen the economic union, focusing on further strengthening economic convergence within the euro area, improving fiscal discipline and deepening economic union, including through exploring the possibility of limited treaty changes. He will make his initial report on this work. I strongly support the approach President Van Rompuy has said he will take. He will aim to identify what needs to be done, and only then will he look to how to do it.

The Government has made clear its view that there is considerable scope to strengthen cooperation within the framework of the existing treaties. This is a view shared by a very great number of member states. However, it is clear that others take a different view and it will be for the meeting in December to chart a way forward.

The European Council will revert to the issue of energy next month, following up on progress since orientation was provided by the European Council in February. Leaders will focus on energy efficiency, the internal energy market, energy infrastructure development and external energy policy. They will also assess the initial findings of nuclear stress tests, based on a Commission report, and the progress report on the security of nuclear power plants.

Enlargement will also feature, following publication of the Commission's annual enlargement strategy and progress reports on 12 October. Two recommendations from the Commission will require specific approval by the European Council: agreement to open accession negotiations with Montenegro; and offering candidate status to Serbia, with the prospect of opening negotiations once its achieves further significant progress on a number of key issues, including normalisation of relations with Kosovo. We can also look forward to the signature of the Croatian accession treaty, which looks likely to take place in the margins of the Council.

Next Tuesday's General Affairs Council will approve conclusions on the review of the EU strategy for the Baltic Sea region, which was launched in 2009, and may consider the next steps in the follow-up to the second annual forum of the strategy, which took place last month in Gdansk, Poland. Ireland has supported regional strategies and we hope to learn lessons from the review of the Baltic Sea region strategy that can be applied to implementation of the Atlantic strategy which is due to be published at the end of this month.

The final item on the agenda for next Tuesday is an orientation discussion on the European Union's next Multiannual Financial Framework, MFF. As the members will be aware, the Commission published its detailed proposals for the MFF in June, suggesting a budget of €1,025 billion for the period 2014 to 2020. This represents an increase of about 3% over the current framework, amounting to about 1.05% of the European Union's gross national income. The Commission also proposes alternative means for funding the budget, namely, a financial transaction tax and a new VAT-based resource. Discussions are at an early stage and member states are still advancing general positions before entering into substantive negotiations. Our approach to the negotiations will be guided by the following considerations.

Fundamentally, we want a properly funded and properly functioning EU, with the right mix of priorities, fair allocation of resources and a focus on jobs and growth. We see a need for continued food security and safety, which warrants only gradual changes to the CAP. Ireland also has an express national interest in defending its share of CAP payments. At the same time, the overall resources directed at the CAP are likely to remain fixed at best and it will be in the research and innovation areas that any future increases will be seen. The Government wishes to identify all possibilities for benefiting from available EU funds, especially in the Europe 2020 areas, including competitiveness, productivity-enhancing measures, employment, climate change and energy.

I thank the Minister of State for covering such a broad range of issues for the General Affairs Council and the Foreign Affairs Council. It takes us from the Arab spring to the Horn of Africa, on to Serbia and Kosovo and then right across to the multi-annual financial framework and whether there is a possibility of treaty changes. In respect of the latter, I understand President Van Rompuy will present some proposals in December. The Minister of State also referred to the welcome accession of Croatia and its signature, as well as matters that concern us directly, such as the Common Agricultural Policy and of course the energy issues.

I am sure members will have many questions and comments to make. As we have a larger contingent than is usual, we should keep our comments and questions fairly focused.

I thank the Chairman and congratulate Deputies Costello and Breen on this worthwhile initiative. I welcome the Minister of State and wish her well in her portfolio. I believe this is the first time she has been before the foreign affairs component of this committee. She is doing a good job and is energetic in her role and I wish her success. I wish to make five or six brief points in the order in which the Minister of State dealt with them in her own script. At the outset, she mentioned the issue of enlargement and her attendance at a dinner on the margins of the Council to consider this issue. How committed is Ireland to the process of enlargement at present? Previously in the Dáil Chamber, I have raised the issue of the Minister of State's own views on Turkish accession. She has been pretty controversial and her views have upset a number of Turkish interests and diplomats in this State. While I believe great care must be taken in respect of the accession of a country with more than 70 million people and the potential impact that may have on the European Union's labour market, the Minister of State may wish to comment on that subject.

She referred to developments in Libya. What is the Government doing to develop a relationship with the National Transitional Council, soon to be the national transitional Government? I was interested to learn during the week of a particular initiative on the Libyan side in which it apparently has established a fund of approximately €10 million for the treatment of victims of the conflict there. Such people might be brought to Ireland to avail of treatment in Irish hospitals and medical centres. I understand that where this is taking place in Germany, France and Britain, the normal visa requirements have been waived to facilitate the rapid transportation of people into the those countries. The Minister of State may know something about this proposal and might tell members about it. On the issue of Serbia, Croatia and Kosovo, Lord Ashdown has raised a number of important questions that should give everyone pause to stop and think. The Minister of State may wish to comment to members on that particular business.

The area of aid is close to the hearts of all members, all of whom are enormously proud of what has been done by successive Governments. As an Opposition speaker, I have repeatedly stated that my party's role in opposition will be to support the Minister of State in her efforts to secure the maximum possible continued funding to provide development aid in the manner that traditionally has been done. Against that background, the Minister of State correctly referred in her opening remarks to the assessment by the OECD that are not alone are Ireland's efforts good in a quantitative sense but that the aid is being correctly directed and effectively used. I hope the trip next week to Ethiopia under the leadership of Deputy Breen will allow members to reinforce the view that the money being spent is being well spent. However, Ireland will borrow all the money it will continue to give. Against that background, surely Ireland has more moral authority on the world stage than ever before to demand of our colleagues, particularly our colleagues in Europe, who are not under the same economic strain that they should step up to the mark and increase the contributions they are making. If this small country can be as passionate and enthusiastic about this vital issue, surely the wealthy countries can do far more then they are at present.

I refer to the general economic position across Europe, the crisis in the eurozone that is developing by the hour and the business of treaty change. I believe the idea of treaty change strikes fear into the hearts of most Members of these Houses or at least of those Members who are not professional opponents of everything to do with Europe. Can the Minister of State envisage the prospect of proposals coming from President Van Rompuy on treaty change? What type of treaty change can the Minister of State envisage Ireland supporting or advocating?

Finally, I turn to the issue of CAP reform. While the Joint Committee on Communications, Natural Resources and Agriculture will be greatly engaged with that issue, it is of vital importance to the national interest. Given the vital new role of Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade in respect of trade, it would be useful to have a detailed briefing from the Minister at some point on what precisely is happening on that front. While I would like to say something about the embassies, I may have a better opportunity to do so during Question Time in the Dáil Chamber later today.

I will take the questions of two further members before inviting the Minister of State to respond. I should mention the Joint Committee on European Affairs has invited Lord Ashdown to address it and he is due to come before us in January. The Minister of State may bear this in mind in her remarks. Similarly, in respect of the proposed treaty changes, a report is forthcoming from President Van Rompuy in December and that will afford a suitable opportunity to address the issue.

I join with Deputy Ó Fearghaíl in welcoming the initiative of both Chairmen, Deputies Costello and Breen, in having a joint meeting of their respective joint committees, which is a worthwhile exercise. I also join in the welcome to the Minister of State, who already has been welcomed before the Joint Committee on European Affairs.

As for the last point made by Deputy Ó Fearghaíl, while I take the point that there will be Question Time in the Dáil Chamber later today, it would be appropriate were the Minister of State to comment on the embassies issue and on what will be Ireland's relationship with the Vatican after the closure of the embassy there. She might comment on what material change, if any, it will make to relations with the Holy See. Does she think it will diminish in any way Ireland's involvement with the moral issues that emanate from the Holy See in respect of international justice, development aid and such issues? Will it weaken Ireland's participation in that moral agenda on an international plane? That is an important point. If possible, having heard the Minister of State's response, I might be afforded the opportunity to ask a supplementary question on this later. I do not wish to anticipate her answer until I hear it.

I revert to some of the issues raised by the Minister of State. First, I welcome her comments that the position in Syria is untenable and unacceptable in terms of international law, justice and human rights It is in terms of human rights within Syria. The Minister of State says that the pressure will be "up there". What does she think might be done in terms of increasing sanctions? What is the risk that the sanctions might be internally destabilising and damaging without being effective? How will they impact on European trade?

Some of the colour pieces in the media over the weekend were suggesting that there is quite a public order issue in Libya at the moment. We do not want to be too intrusive and we do not want to repeat the errors of the past and be too involved. There must be a sense in which solutions are found and democracy grows within the country, rather than being imposed. I would like the Minister of State to comment on Libya, public order and the growth of democracy there.

I join the Minister of State in welcoming the situation in Tunisia. It is great news that the elections went off so well, and it seems to be the view of international media and all commentators that the elections were an unqualified success. The ambition is to achieve the same objective in Libya after this intervening period, and hopefully the transition there will be a success.

I am also interested in the question of Somalia and aid to that country, as was Deputy Ó Fearghaíl. Irrespective of economic constraints, our commitment to international aid and to Somalia should not be reduced. Any domestic difficulties we experience in Europe pale into insignificance when we consider what is happening to the people there. Our moral position and our practical backup of that with aid is important, and the Minister of State made reference to €20 million and €11 million. It is important that we restate our commitment there. The Minister of State pioneered the view that we are the vanguard of advancing that in Europe. It is our great duty.

I was happy to hear the Minister of State say that we are very committed to advancing food security and to keeping food security as a policy position within Europe, and the CAP is predicated on that and is important for our domestic interests. If we hold the moneys in the CAP and if we increase investment in innovation and development, that will be a great achievement. How can we get the innovation money to create jobs in value-added products and food on family farms? There is a concern in that regard.

I welcome the fact that these committees are meeting and as they have so much in common, this should happen as often as possible. I also welcome the Minister of State.

It is important that we do not get confused between the difficulties we are having in the eurozone and the broader European ambition that has served the Continent so well, which is that of enlargement and the shared European ethos. When we talk about accession states joining the European family, we should not seek to use the examples of some of the countries that perhaps have prematurely joined the eurozone as a reason to move from a process that has served the people of Europe so well for so many years. This includes shared ideals and free movement of people and trade. It is very important that we continue to look towards the periphery of Europe and seek to bring people into a common conduction of the policies of nations, which has been of enormous benefit.

Treaty change is another important issue. We should really use existing treaties in so far as we can. I am not suggesting that a referendum on a treaty in this country would not pass if it was to the benefit of the Irish people, but there is a weariness across Europe of constant treaty change. The Taoiseach said in the Dáil recently that we should push existing treaties to their absolute limit. That is certainly to be welcomed. When there is discussion at the Council meeting on 9 December, we should fully tease out this issue before we continue.

Ireland has always been able to use the fact that we have gone further than most countries when it comes to looking after people less fortunate than ourselves. The work done abroad by many of our foreign aid agencies and NGOs is perhaps one of the reasons Ireland is still held in particularly good standing within Europe. Notwithstanding our current economic difficulties, we should encourage our partners to endeavour to contribute as generously as we do. I note the Germans may be able to contribute more. It went under the radar last week that the Germans found a €55 billion mistake in their own accounts, which reduces their debt by 3% and which is 50% more than ourselves. We can often be very hard on ourselves and on our officials, but mistakes can happen in other jurisdictions. The Germans frequently lecture us on our own economic austerity, so I am sure that they will take note of the fact that they made a €55 billion error. Fortunately for them, it was also an error in their favour. If we can continue to find errors in that fashion, perhaps it will go some way in getting us out of our economic difficulty.

The key points are that the current treaties should be pushed to the limit and we should welcome new states, but we should tread very carefully when we talk about any expansion of the 17 nation eurozone.

While the Germans might be imprudent and indisciplined in their own economic affairs, that is no excuse for us.

At least we are not alone.

I thank all committee members for their contributions. I will try to answer the questions as comprehensively as I can. There is some overlap and if I miss anything, we can certainly come back to it.

Deputy Ó Fearghaíl made a point and asked a question about enlargement. As a statement of principle, Ireland is 100% committed to the process of enlargement. At a time like this, when the trust of European citizens in the European project has come into question, it is important that we have an emotional agenda as well as an economic agenda. I consider the enlargement agenda to be an emotional agenda, because it is about reunifying the people of Europe and I feel very passionately about that. I am actively engaging with all of our partners, and as I mentioned, there will be a dinner to discuss the enlargement agenda specifically at the Council meeting on Monday.

I know that the Turkish question was raised in my absence last month. It is certainly incumbent on all of us not to hide our position on these issues, and I know that it was suggested I take something off my website. I do not engage in the practice of revisionism and it is important that when we get into government, that we do not try to run away from statements we have made in opposition.

I would certainly have some concerns about the prospect of Turkish accession. The Government position is that we are open to it but we consider it to be something that is quite a long way off and that will require a significant amount of effort on the part of Turkey in order to make it happen. We would have concerns in terms of many of the dossiers concerning justice and human rights. There are constitutional issues. There are issues with women's rights, etc. There is a vast array of challenges that are acknowledged not only by Ireland, but by many of the other member states around the table.

I intend to travel to Turkey. I have no difficulty with engaging with officials and with political counterparts in Turkey. I have been invited openly and warmly to engage with my Turkish counterpart, the new Minister for European Affairs, and I intend to do that in the new year.

All of these issues must be addressed. We cannot run away from them. Deputy Ó Fearghaíl pointed to the potential impact on the labour market. There are discussions with current members of the European Union on the Governments' approach to lifting restrictions on the labour market. We must deal with the challenges facing us while keeping an eye to the future. That is the approach that I am adopting and the Government as a whole is adopting.

On the Libya question, which Deputy O'Reilly raised as well, there are major challenges facing Libya in the post-Gadaffi era. As is normal practice, the United Nation, which has the full support of Ireland, will take the lead role in that. Of course, I already outlined some of the steps that the European Union will continue to take in strengthening our position there in terms of working with the transitional government.

The Government has already been in contact with the National Transitional Council. The Tánaiste held meetings in Dublin a couple of months ago. These relations will be intensified through the embassy in Rome and also on a bilateral basis. I hope that one of the Ministers in the Department of Foreign Affairs will be in a position to travel to Libya in 2012. It is something that is very much on our agenda. Our objective must be to strengthen peace and democracy. By democracy, I mean not only elections but institution building and putting in place rule-of-law measures, which is the biggest challenge. That is something to which we are committed.

We are making arrangements for some Libyan citizens who have been injured in conflict to come to Ireland. There are constant contacts with the Department of Health in that regard. We do not anticipate that it will prove to be a drain on public funds. There will not be any obstacle in terms of visas. That is progressing and we are quite satisfied with it.

On Serbia, there are concerns. Returning to the issue of enlargement, to which Deputy Dara Murphy alluded as well, while the Balkans must be a prominent priority for us, thankfully, we have concluded negotiations on Croatian accession. That will be a cornerstone of the European agenda in 2013. The day after the Irish Presidency will conclude, Croatian accession will occur. That becomes the anchor for the promotion of democracy and good governance in the Balkan region. As a member of the European Union, we have a considerable agenda and challenge to see that as an opportunity to build, grow and expand in that region in terms of underpinning our shared values.

No doubt there are challenges. There is a major challenge for the European Union in restoring high-level contact and dialogue between Belgrade and Priština, and obviously, the Kosovo situation is sensitive. Commissioner Füle commented this week in Brussels that President Tadic had met the mayors of the region in north Kosovo and that he has made reassuring statements about their willingness and readiness to re-engage in dialogue. That is a positive signal. No doubt Belgrade must continue on its path to real and constructive dialogue, which is not simply about discussion but is also about yielding concrete results, and we will be engaged in that process through the European institutions. That work is ongoing.

On the issue of aid to which everybody has alluded, I am pleased to hear that Fianna Fáil in Opposition will support the efforts of the Government in trying to drive an agenda which enables us to meet our aid targets and commitments. It is difficult in the current economic climate and we all are conscious of that. However, we are committed to it. Through good times and bad, Ireland has always delivered on this agenda. We intend to continue that work. We do not intend to allow it to slip down our list of priorities. Notwithstanding the amount of challenges we face, exactly as Deputy Ó Fearghaíl pointed out, we are in a strong position in terms of moral authority to drive that agenda at a European level. The up-coming Irish Presidency presents a big opportunity for us. Through all of our discussions, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Gilmore, the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, and myself are engaging with partners on ways in which the development agenda and the aid agenda can be furthered during the Irish Presidency. We are already dealing with the current Troika of the Presidency in pursuing that agenda. There is a fair point about encouraging other states to live up to their commitments in terms of aid provision. In the context of what is happening in the Horn of Africa, this is an immediate concern and priority. We take it seriously and are committed to pursuing it.

On the unrelated issue of treaty change and the sort of changes that we can expect, to which Deputy Costello pointed as well, President Van Rompuy has been charged by the European Council to come back with a reflection paper for the European Council in December. We are not expecting substantial or concrete proposals at that stage. It is expected that it will probably then go to a wider consultation with proposals being made at some point, maybe at the council in March. It is not something that we expect to gain great velocity in the next number of weeks.

We are engaging in that process. Member states are approaching it from different perspectives but ultimately, we all want to achieve the best outcome. The best outcome, as far as I and the Government are concerned, is one which ensures that we can underpin the future of our currency, not only for today and tomorrow, but for the years ahead. That is an enormous challenge. We have seen in the past two years the result of creating a monetary union without the necessary monetary and fiscal structures to underpin and protect it in times of crisis. The committee does not need me to spell out how devastating the effects of that continue to be.

We have a considerable task to deal with and resolve the euro crisis, and then look at ways in which we can build an architecture to support our currency for the future. This is not simply a matter of concern to the large member states. This is a matter of deep concern to all of us who are part of this currency. This is our currency. There is no alternative. As I stated at a meeting with the Deputies in my party yesterday, the euro is not an optional currency. There will be many plans but the euro plan is all encompassing. It is our currency and we need it to survive.

That is the context in which President Van Rompuy will be bringing his proposals. We will engage constructively and are already doing so. I will be involved in many bilateral meetings with partners from all member states, including the Germans, who, along with the Dutch, are the ones who have put the idea of treaty change on the agenda. We do not need to put the cart before the horse. We should decide exactly what we want to achieve and reach a consensus among member states on how we want the Union to develop. It is not solely a question of budgetary monitoring, although that is clearly important.

The European Council has adopted an extensive range of measures on governance which will come into effect in January. Other issues that arise include institutional balance and the respective roles of the European Commission and European Parliament. We need to decide how we want these institutions to serve our needs and whether they should be more robust. I, for one, would welcome a more robust role for the European Commission in respect of the currency and the broader economic agenda. Ireland will be putting proposals to that end on the table but I am sure the UK and others will take divergent views. I anticipate that the process will by not be speedy.

We all agree on the Common Agricultural Policy's importance to Ireland and it is front and centre in our negotiations on the multi-annual financial framework. I previously briefed the Joint Committee on Foreign and Affairs and Trade on the progress of discussions at European level. The General Affairs Council conducts the horizontal negotiations and the individual ministerial Councils deal with the substance and the detail. The Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine, Deputy Coveney, is working diligently on the issue and it is likely to be finalised during the Irish Presidency, which presents not only a huge challenge but also a great opportunity. I am working closely with him and our attachés in Brussels on the agenda, which is still at a discussion stage.

A substantial meeting to discuss the multi-annual financial framework was held in Brussels two weeks ago and attended by representatives from the Council, national parliaments, including several Deputies, and the Committee on Budgets of the European Parliament. The meeting offered us an opportunity to set out our position and identify areas in which we can co-operate with other member states. Several member states share our concerns about CAP.

At this stage of the process we are relatively satisfied with the Commission's proposal. Judging by members' comments, it is fair to say that most of the parties represented in the Oireachtas are reasonably happy with the proposals and their effect on the CAP. Obviously, however, we want to improve the terms and conditions. I acknowledge Deputy O'Reilly's comment in regard to drawing down funding and the burden of administration and red tape. That is a particular challenge for small farmers and one of the key objectives in the Commission's overall budget approach is to reduce red tape and simplify the procedures. However, we need to see more detail in the proposal and this will be at the heart of the negotiations. I am optimistic about the Commission's commitment to simplifying the procedures involved.

As the Tánaiste will address the issue of embassy closures during Question Time this afternoon, I will not steal his thunder. We are engaged in an aggressive and robust diplomatic drive on behalf of the Government. Our chief concern for the past eight months has been reputation building, rebranding and selling Ireland. The Government desires not only to retain the embassies we currently operate but also to expand them. However, we are a small State with limited and, unfortunately, contracting resources. I am disappointed that we have had to announce the closure of three embassies. I hope the decision will not be a permanent one and, particularly in respect of Holy See, I hope there will be an opportunity in the future to reopen our embassies.

Our relations with the Holy See are of vital interest to this country. It has full membership or observer status in a wide range of organisations and its objectives almost invariably coincide with our humanitarian aid and democracy agendas. Our human rights policy, which is at the core of Irish foreign policy, is completely compatible with the agenda of the Holy See. We will continue to maintain strong diplomatic relations and the most senior diplomat in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Secretary General, will be charged with responsibility for relations with the Holy See. He is committed to maintaining our engagement at a high level and the Government shares his commitment. I hope we will in the future be in a position to reopen embassies and, perhaps, to explore new opportunities for embassies.

In regard to Deputy Dara Murphy's comment on Germany, we are partners around the European Union table during a stressful period. It does not serve our interest to engage in political spats with other member states. I have seen coverage in Irish newspapers in which sideswipes were aimed at other member states, including Germany. I am uncomfortable with that. An issue certainly arises from a small member state point of view because we want to return to the community method of decision making. Perhaps we will have an opportunity to do so in the reflection process being spearheaded by the President of the European Council, Mr. Van Rompuy. As we have not developed proper structures that can respond to the crisis, we have relied on the large member states to take a position of leadership but we have criticised them when we have not seen the sort of activity we expected. The Heads of State and Government summit held on 26 and 27 October resulted in decisive action from France and Germany, which was encouraged and welcomed by smaller member states in the eurozone.

Events since then have made life more difficult for all of us but we need to trust each other if we are work together to find a common solution that benefits all of us. Our first priority for our citizens is to stabilise the eurozone. I do not want to engage in a blame game or hostilities with other member states. I want to constructively engage with them and that is the Government's agenda.

As Deputy Pat Breen has to leave, I take this opportunity to thank him for co-chairing the meeting and his support for our joint initiative. I hope we can build on our work at our next meeting, when he will take the Chair.

I am on a learning curve because it is 14 years since I last served in Parliament.

Having been a member of Dublin City Council with the Deputy, I know that he is a quick learner.

I am trying to learn the ropes and have learned a great deal since I arrived. Perhaps the Minister of State might assist me to learn more. I wish her and her ministerial colleague, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, every success at these important meetings.

Am I misreading the situation as it unfolds? The European Union is known as a family, with countries supporting each other, but does the Minister of State share my sense that the family has become disparate in that there is a concentration on two main players, Germany and France, which are determining the future of the Union? Just as the Government called in our ambassadors to be re-educated and revitalised, is there a case to be made for bringing our MEPs before the committee to co-ordinate the Irish position on what is happening? I worry that the European Union is seen to be controlled by and dictated to by two major powers and the fact that they are talking about a two-tier Union is disturbing.

The good news is rain is falling on the Horn of Africa, according to a recent conversation I had with a person in Kenya, and I hope the crops will grow and the pressure reduce on the provision of aid for the region. While everyone was excited by the Arab Spring, does the Minister of State share my concern that the results are imperfect? We should join in applauding the excellent performance of the Tunisians in their democratic process. However, I am sure the Minister of State shares my fears about Egypt, in particular, its relationship with Coptic Christians which resulted in an awful slaughter and the rise of religious intolerance there. I also refer to the horrors unfolding in northern Nigeria where Islamic terrorists have slaughtered Christians and burned down churches and mosques.

The Minister of State mentioned Turkey and the concerns of member states about labour market issues there. What is Ireland's current position on Bulgaria and Romania on the same subject?

I wish the Minister of State good luck with her programme. As I get to know how the joint committees work, I will contribute more intensely.

I apologise for missing the beginning of the Minister of State's contribution, but I have had an opportunity to catch up by reading the script circulated.

With regard to the Foreign Affairs Council, I do not see a reference to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians are driving forward with their statehood recognition campaign at the United Nations. We are not sure whether the issue will go before the Security Council, but it will be before the General Assembly for a vote in the near future. UNESCO recently accepted Palestine as a full member and Israel reacted to this democratic decision of an international organisation by stating it would continue with settlements, a regrettable response. What is the position of the Quartet? The United States has indicated it regrets Palestine's strategy and that it would prefer the peace negotiations to be re-established. What efforts are being made, for example, by Catherine Ashton on behalf of the European Union to examine the issue of settlements? It is clear that until there is a freeze on them, as provided for in previous agreements, negotiations cannot commence. My discussions with representatives of the PLO indicate that they are open to the two-state solution and peace negotiations, but they need a freeze on settlements and I support that position. This is a tragedy because the people of Israel need peace as much as the people of Palestine and need to be able to prepare for a violence-free future. I am often bewildered that this issue has not been resolved.

I commend the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade for his speech at the United Nations and Ireland for voting to support the admission of Palestine to UNESCO. We have done a good job recently in line with our traditional position, but we need to lead on this issue at European level. Everybody to whom I have spoken in the foreign affairs community points to the respect shown for Ireland internationally in terms of human rights, conflict resolution, not least because of our recent achievements, and international development. We punch above our weight and our view is respected beyond our population size. I, therefore, urge the Government to up its game to push this process towards a resolution. The Israelis should not be threatened by the Arab Spring or the assertion of Palestinian statehood which presents an opportunity to bring the conflict to an end.

I will not go over old ground by referring to the other international conflicts mentioned. However, I will refer to the issue of aid effectiveness. The three NGOs, Concern, Trócaire and Dóchas, have made a submission to the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, on what they would like to see happen in Busan. It is a constructive submission which has been discussed by the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, in particular. There must be a partnership role for civil society at the table. There also needs to be timeline commitments to developing countries, as well as a restatement of the Paris Declaration and what was agreed at Accra. What are the Minister of State's thoughts on the centrality of Ireland's role in this regard? This also reflects the regard in which Ireland is held in the context of overseas development aid. I welcome the European Union's perspective in focusing on the more underdeveloped countries and getting aid to those who need it most. Sometimes it is a matter of prioritising. The Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs will send a delegation to Ethiopia next week. It will be an interesting case study of the effectiveness of overseas development aid.

Many are alarmed to read suggestions that the eurozone will be reduced to a core group. I hope this is speculation and that people are bouncing ideas off each other, but it will cause alarm. Regardless of whether economists believe Ireland should be in the single currency, we must be now because the extent of the challenges we face because of the debt crisis means we must be part of the project. The debate on whether we should be in the eurozone will have to be put back to a time when we are on even keel again economically. It is worrying to listen to the debate.

I read a very interesting article in Der Spiegel which was a very detailed analysis of what is now becoming a two-track Europe, with the 17 states within the eurozone who have their own crisis between the core and the periphery, the ten states who are not there, and how to reconfigure the European project when all the spotlight is on those 17 states in that eurozone crisis, and get it back to its original objective of a free market economy. My vision and that of my party is of a social Europe and a promoter of women’s rights, workers’ rights, important environmental initiatives and a common view. Europe can be a beacon for human rights and international development aid. It has a significant role to play in reconfiguring global conflicts, particularly in that tectonic region of Israel and Palestine. There is a crisis right now. While we may have different views, I respect the Minister of State’s sincerity and her commitment to the European project.

We have watched France and Germany assert themselves at the recent Franco-German summits. There is a clear gap between the core and the periphery and a fear, at a time when we need solidarity and a joint solution, that we are falling apart. I would like to hear the Minister of State's assessment of that issue and how to get the debate on Europe back to its strengths and what they could be.

I thank the Chairman and apologise for my late arrival which is due to a number of votes in the Seanad. I missed the Minister of State's contribution but I have read over it. Like other speakers I am concerned about the crisis in Europe, especially the recent reports of a shrinking Europe. That raises alarm bells for us all.

I agree with the Minister of State that for us there is only one currency, the euro. That is our plan and there is no alternative for us and it is in our interest to ensure it survives and continues to play a strong role on the international stage.

Commissioner Máire Geoghegan-Quinn recently announced funding under Horizon 2020, the framework programme for research and innovation. This is an area for which the Commission has provided increased funding. What is Ireland's strategy in that area and how does it attract funding? We have had numerous reports from Science Foundation Ireland and others about how we invest in scientific research. The point is always made that we should leverage more funding from the EU rather than being dependent on private sector investment or national finances. There is scope to leverage more funding in that area.

Before I invite the Minister of State in again, Deputy Eric Byrne mentioned some consultation with MEPs. Phil Prendergast, MEP is present. There is a standing invitation to all MEPs to attend and participate in any or all of our meetings. In our work programme for 2012 we are preparing a structure whereby we will give a specific role to MEPs in terms of their attendance at and participation in the Joint Committee on European Affairs. We are always anxious to co-operate to the maximum extent with European affairs.

Deputy Eric Byrne also referred to the labour market in terms of Romania and Bulgaria. The committee discussed that issue at length two weeks ago. We have prepared a report which we hope will be presented to the members present for adoption immediately after this public session. It will then be forwarded to the Minister, the Tánaiste and the Taoiseach with its recommendations from this committee.

The issue of the Middle East was raised by Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn. The Minister of State may not be aware that the Tánaiste gave a very comprehensive reply to that issue on Leaders' Questions this morning when the matter was raised in the Chamber. The Tánaiste put on record the details of the events up to the present time. The other side of the matter, in which I would be interested also, is that Ireland has been very strong on this issue and has been very involved in it. This committee and the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade have taken a keen interest in the whole Middle Eastern question and trying to advance it. There appears to be an impression that the European Union, which is very much involved in trading with Israel and in contribution terms with the Palestinians, is not that active in political engagement in seeking to resolved the situation and using its particular strengths in that respect. That is the area I wish to see the Minister of State address.

I thank the Deputies and Senators for their questions. I will begin with Deputy Eric Byrne's contribution. From the range of questions he addressed he does not strike me as a learner. Turning to the issue of Europe as a family, like all families there are always trials and tribulations. The crisis which faces Europe, particularly the eurozone, is unprecedented. No matter how much contingency planning could have been done I do not think anybody could have anticipated the scale and the rapid pace of the crisis as we have seen it unfold during the past two years. There is no doubt it has put the family under severe stress. In the context of families, one has to come back to basics and fundamental principles. That touches on the point made by Deputy Mac Lochlainn. There must be a solution to the immediate crisis but there must also be a focus on getting back to basic principles at a European level. What are we about?

I agree with all of what Deputy Mac Lochlainn said in terms of the human rights role for the European Union, for which we have a proud record all over the world. The internal developments and enormous progress in the area of workers' rights and women's rights are all things we now take for granted in Ireland, but these would not have happened had we not joined the European Union. There is no question about that. There is also the economic agenda. I am in favour of a social Europe but I am also in favour of a social market economy. We need an economy to drive the social progress and the social changes. The Government sees the Single Market agenda as being at the core. These are the discussions that have been the focus for the Heads of Government at the most recent summits. Time and again there is talk of strengthening the Single Market and eliminating barriers to trade and services within the Union. The Commission is now coming forward with proposals, perhaps not as quickly as we would like but progress is being made. The Single Market Act is the linchpin in all of this and we are very committed to it. Various member states have differing perspectives on the European project. For example, we differ fundamentally with the UK on the outlook for the European project, but we absolutely agree with it on the Single Market. It is a common denominator for everybody and something to which I am very committed. This morning, I chaired an interdepartmental planning committee for the Irish Presidency and one of the topics which is raised repeatedly is to make a key objective of our Presidency bringing forward and advancing the proposals already on the table and those not yet on the table.

If we can focus on tangible and achievable targets in growth and job creation in the European Union and the eurozone, public support will very rapidly follow. The problem and crisis in terms of public support for the project is the fact that it is not seen to be delivering tangible results and there is a perception, largely justified, that there has been a very slow political response to the crisis. As I stated in my earlier intervention, we saw some decisiveness. To return to the issue of the Franco-German alliance in the eurozone, it is needed at this point in time. We need leadership from France and Germany. If we do not have leadership from the two largest economies in the eurozone we are at nothing. For future reference, we need to anchor this leadership in a much better system of governance in the eurozone. The challenge for small member states is to get together and insist on this for the future development of the eurozone and the Union.

It is also for President Van Rompuy in tandem with the European Commission to come forward with proposals on this. We will be very much engaged in this process and I am very committed to it. Sometimes, we can beat ourselves up too much on these questions. We must find an immediate solution. We need France and Germany to be central to this solution but we also need to plan for the medium and long term as to how we want the eurozone and the Union as a whole to function. I hope this addresses the point raised by Deputies Byrne and Mac Lochlainn.

With regard to the Arab spring, I agree with Deputy Byrne that the results have been imperfect to some extent. Certainly there has been a different pace in certain countries. I would not say the overall Arab spring is a lost cause by any means. It has been one of the most important political developments on the globe for the past ten years and a very positive development. Various countries will develop systems of governance and levels of democracies at various paces.

The role of the United Nations and the European Union is to work with each of these countries and try to tailor a solution for each of them. I do not think the European Union can impose solutions; it must be an organic and democratic process. It must also take into account that there cannot and will not be a one-size-fits-all solution. Some countries will take longer than others but the bottom line is that they are on the right track. We can be proud of the role of the European Union to date in this process and proud of the role of the United Nations.

We must keep up the momentum and political commitment because as we have seen the worst possible thing, and I am not for one second condoning the activities in Iraq ten years ago, is to simply pull the plug. This is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. One must stay and work, in the sense of building rule of law and democracy and supporting all of the necessary requirements for holding elections and supporting democratic forces. We can look to the United Nations, but this is our neighbourhood and we have a moral responsibility. Taken from a purely selfish economic interest, it is in our interests to do this because we need to be part of a stable region. Therefore, it is in our interests to ensure we work with all of the partners who want to see a democratic solution in all of these countries to make it happen.

The Deputy referred to the slaughter of Coptic Christians in Egypt, as I did in my opening statement, and there is now a commitment in the transitional arrangement to investigate these deaths. This is a welcome development and one which the European Union has an obligation to monitor and ensure that the investigation takes place.

With regard to the labour restrictions which Ireland has in place for citizens from Armenia and Bulgaria, I met both ambassadors to discuss this issue two weeks ago. A representative from the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation was also at that meeting and I know the Tánaiste has also engaged on this issue. It is a difficult issue as we have huge pressure on our labour force but at the same time there is a question of solidarity and honouring our obligations to other EU member states.

I am very supportive of lifting the restrictions. The idea that there would be a deluge of workers is probably not realistic but we await a report from the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation and expect it in the coming weeks. The Oireachtas Joint Committee on European Affairs has done very good work on this. My instinct is that I would like to see progress made and the restrictions lifted but the Government must be guided by the statistical and policy advice of the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation. Ultimately, it is a decision which the Minister, Deputy Richard Bruton, will bring to Cabinet. I am sure he will take into account the views of the committee, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and the EU division of the Taoiseach's Department.

With regard to the Israel Palestine conflict, Deputy Mac Lochlainn set it out very well. I am very proud of the fact that Ireland voted on 26 October for recognition of Palestine. When it comes to the General Affairs Council our position is very clear. There may be a perception that the European Union is not interested in this region. I fundamentally disagree with this. Traditionally, the lead has always been taken by the United States, and it has become increasingly clear that this will not be the case for the next 12 months because the US Administration has other priorities. There is a big opportunity for the European Union to step up to the mark.

I am very pleased to report that at the previous Foreign Affairs Council meeting I attended a working lunch chaired by High Representative, Catherine Ashton, where she made it abundantly clear that she will lead the charge to try to seek a resolution. She is very committed to re-opening concrete negotiations between Israel and Palestine. There are obstacles to this and the Deputy pointed to them. We will certainly do everything we can in tandem with the High Representative to try to address these concerns.

The response of Israel to the democratic decision at the end of October, in terms of settlements, was very aggressive and totally inappropriate. It is very clear that the Irish Government condemns this activity. We want to see progress and we are committed to it. Do not underestimate the commitment of the European Union. Obviously, the focus of High Representative, Catherine Ashton, and the external action service has been very much on north Africa because of the pace of events there which demanded attention. However, she and her team are very committed to focusing on the Middle East.

There is a difficulty because in order for us to have a meaningful foreign policy position on behalf of the EU we need agreement among the member states, and there is no clear agreement among them on this matter for historic and sensitive political reasons. The Deputy knows this as well as I do. However, the High Representative is working very hard to try to achieve consensus on this issue. Much work is happening behind the scenes. I am satisfied with the efforts she is making on behalf of us all. The Tánaiste and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade feed into this process.

With regard to aid effectiveness, I met with Dóchas recently and I am up to speed on this matter. We are very much in sync in terms of our approach to the forthcoming conference which the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, will attend with Deputy Pat Breen. I reiterate our commitment to aid effectiveness and to maximising the EU's role as opposed to just Ireland's role, as we are seeking to drive a united European agenda. We have alluded to this.

I addressed the question of Europe, solidarity and so on.

Senator Clune referred to the issue of the leaked report today on the supposed shrinking of the eurozone. I assume much contingency planning is under way in many member states, but the bottom line is that we are committed to the eurozone and will remain as members. I will keep repeating this commitment. It is imperative that we also express our solidarity with other member states that are suffering and undergoing considerable political, economic and social upheaval, particularly Greece. It is important that we state our commitment to Greece and our belief that it will remain a member of the eurozone. The Government and I have been in regular contact with our counterparts in Greece to restate our position. However, this is not to underestimate the scale of the challenge, as it is a serious crisis. We need political and economic stability across the EU to address the challenge, but I will happily restate that we are committed to doing so.

Regarding Commissioner Máire Geoghegan-Quinn's portfolio and Horizon 2020, it is important to note that, at the last European summit, every Head of State and Government signed up to a concrete commitment to the effect that priority would be given to EU-IMF programme countries by activating the resources and funds that should be available to them. This decision was taken on 23 October and we are working to determine how best to maximise it. It will apply to all forms of funding. An official in the EU division of the Department of the Taoiseach is doing a significant amount of work liaising with all Departments on all of the funding lines available to us to determine how to maximise the potential to draw down funding. I am also involved in this process. I hope to meet the person in the European Commission with overall responsibility for Ireland in this sense in the near future so that we can get a review of the state of play and determine how best to work with the Commission to draw down funding. Much of this matter relates to the multi-annual financial framework

The question of farmers has to do with simplicity, eliminating bureaucracy and making procedures easier. We all accept that procedures are notoriously complex and difficult to navigate and negotiate. Facilitating that initiative is a priority for us.

I hope I have addressed the question of the perception that the EU is not active in the Middle East in my response to Deputy Mac Lochlainn. I have probably covered every point.

I thank the Minister of State for a comprehensive response, but I wish to clarify. I am not suggesting that the EU is not active. I am reassured by the Minister of State's report about Baroness Catherine Ashton's desire to lead from the front. This is a critical opportunity for Europe to do so.

I thank the Minister of State for her attendance. I apologise for not being able to attend earlier, but the Seanad voted a number of times and I also needed to attend the Joint Committee on Health and Children for a brief time.

I wish to raise two issues, the first of which is Europe's role in the Middle East. In my time in the European Parliament, dealing with the arms trade lobby was difficult, given the part it plays behind the scenes in influencing political decisions. I am open to correction, but I was interested to learn that Israel was the world's fourth largest exporter of arms and ammunition. Europe is not using its influence in this respect, in that no EU-level decision has been taken to restrict that trade. This matter needs to be approached. In many respects, the Middle East issue is all about arms and who has the most firepower in real terms.

I spoke this morning with a woman who used to work with me and who is now based in Ramallah. Positive work is being done by people from Ireland and the EU in the West Bank. For example, a system similar to our Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission has been set up in respect of the Palestinian police authority. It is a copy, owing to the involvement of Irish people in the process.

The second issue relates to the European Globalisation Adjustment Fund, EGF. I understand there will be a vote in the European Parliament next week on funding the EGF. The total package in Ireland's case amounts to €55 million, including a contribution from the EGF, and relates to construction workers. Something short of 6,000 people could benefit from this funding, as could the educational authorities that would provide retraining. We will increase the numbers working in the construction industry during the coming years, but it will be a long time before the same number of people work in the industry as did during the boom, if ever. Therefore, people must seek other work opportunities. The EGF will provide funding for retraining.

When we applied for and received funding previously, not all of it was used, particularly in respect of Dell, although I am open to correction. We made substantial changes, in that the fund was originally set up to address cases of jobs moving outside Europe. Amendments were made to accommodate Dell and Waterford Wedgwood. Where funding for construction workers is in question, we must ensure that we have the procedures in place by June 2012. What can we do to prioritise this work to ensure that we get our entitlement under the fund and that there are no slip ups?

Ms Phil Prendergast, MEP

I am delighted to be in attendance. I have met the Minister of State in Europe at least six times, which is almost as many months as I have been there. I would need to attend ten meetings in Europe to find out the information I have acquired today. It is great to attend, see a menu of what is being done and get the joined-up element. Speaking as an MEP who must make time to attend European meetings, I cannot stress how valuable meetings such as this one are.

Many relevant questions have been asked and I was interested in the answers. In light of the 26 October vote on the Palestinian declaration, I compliment our group's head of delegation, Mr. Proinsias De Rossa, MEP, for his work on the matter. He has been active on the issue. I compliment everyone involved.

The change in how legislation will be discussed in this Parliament is positive. The Minister of State has mentioned the importance to Ireland of the Common Agricultural Policy, CAP, and the Irish Presidency of the European Council. That Presidency will represent significant challenges. It is refreshing to be present to see that life, the work of this committee and our role in Europe continue despite the focus being on Greece, Italy and elections in countries. Commissioner Rehn stated that Europe was slipping back into recession and that we will have lost decades. These are emotive terms. Work continues. Regardless of what crisis we are in nothing ever closes down completely. We must remain positive and optimistic that regardless of how bad things are now they will improve. We are at a crucial stage in Europe in terms of the crisis affecting the euro, which crisis is evolving not alone daily but hourly. We must act but not over-react. Life goes on. The benefits of attending meetings such as this cannot be overstated.

Senator Burke hit on an important point in regard to the arms trade lobby and the potential for leverage within the European Union in dealing with the Middle East. It is a matter we can pursue. On the globalisation fund, I think that vote took place last week but I will check that for the Senator. I have dealt with different groups who sought funding under the globalisation fund, some of whom were successful and others who were not. It is important there is adequate preparation in terms of the application procedure. We might look at how we can facilitate that in some way. I need to put some thought into it. I agree with the Senator that we need to ensure we draw down whatever is available and maximise its use.

The problem is that this time round there are small groups of construction workers involved.

While on the previous occasion all of the workers had been employed in Dell, this time round a large number of small groups are involved, which is making it more difficult.

I will discuss the matter in more detail with Senator Burke. I will work with the Departments of Education and Skills and Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation to see how we can maximise potential in this regard.

I join with Ms Prendergast in thanking and congratulating Proinsias De Rossa, MEP, on his leadership of the delegation and for participating in the vital UNESCO vote. Lest Ms Prendergast has not seen enough of me, I will be in Strasbourg next Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

Ms Phil Prendergast, MEP

Thank you.

I thank the Minister of State for her valuable and comprehensive contribution to the meeting. We have covered a large range of issues that are pertinent to our activities in Europe. It is useful for Members to hear the Minister of State's responses. I thank everyone for attending, in particular the Minister of State for enlightening us on matters in which we are all interested.

The joint committees adjourned at 1.25 p.m. until 11.30 a.m. on Thursday, 17 November 2011.
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