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JOINT COMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN UNION AFFAIRS debate -
Thursday, 19 Apr 2012

Review of White Paper on Irish Aid: Discussion with Minister of State

I am delighted to welcome to the meeting the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs with responsibility for trade and development, Deputy Joe Costello. He is a former member of the committee and was its Chairman until his recent appointment to his new role in which we wish him well. I also welcome Ms Nora Owen, chairperson of the Irish Aid expert advisory group.

The Government announced a review of the White Paper on Irish Aid in June 2011 and public consultation is taking place between 1 February and 26 April. The review is being led by the Minister of State, Deputy Costello, who met the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade yesterday for a dedicated session on this matter. Given the relevance of the EU in global development issues the Minister of State is also keen to appear before this committee to seek the views of its members. A summary document of the White Paper review consultation paper has been circulated which explains the review process and the major issues which the review seeks to address. I ask the Minister of State to address the committee after which we will have questions and answers.

I thank the Chairman for the invitation to address this committee, which is closer to my heart than most others having served on it for quite a considerable period of time. I know the members and we soldiered together through various referenda campaigns and have had many committee and sub-committee discussions. It is one of the finest committees we have in the House and I am very pleased to be here today.

I am particularly anxious to get the views of committee members on the White Paper on Irish Aid because it has great relevance to the role of the European Union in Ireland, and the Government's bilateral and multilateral relations which are extremely important. The review of the Government's aid programme, which operates within the overall framework of the European Union and which channels a substantial amount of money through the European Union, needs to involve the committee and hear the views and input from members and not only today at this formal meeting. I am very anxious that we keep in contact and that the expertise, opinions and advice of committee members be available over a sustained period of time as we finalise and implement the review and with regard to the role of the European Union in particular. I look forward very much to today's discussion and to our ongoing engagement.

The 2006 White Paper on Irish Aid, the first of its kind in Ireland, set out very clearly the basis for Ireland's aid programme, which comprises all the basic essentials. These are as follows: reducing poverty; helping children survive their first years and go to school; enabling people to have enough food to eat; and enabling people to take control of their own lives. The White Paper is a far-reaching and comprehensive policy, but the world is changing and, with it, the context for international development. As we are all too aware, the context has changed in Ireland in recent years. Therefore, a review of the aid programme was one of the commitments in the programme for Government. This provides an opportunity for us to take stock of the achievements and challenges to date, to consider the constantly changing context and to chart out the future priorities of our aid programme.

As part of the consultation, we have held four national level meetings and a number of focus group discussions with key stakeholders, such as non-governmental organisations, NGOs, the private sector and diaspora communities living in Ireland. We have undertaken consultations with other Departments, including through the interdepartmental committee on development, which I chair. We have also consulted widely with our partners in Africa, including through a regional consultation meeting held in Malawi in March. Consultation with the Joint Committee on European Union Affairs is important. Yesterday, I appeared before the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade to hear its views and to get its input. Later this year, I will publish a review report setting out the future priorities for Irish Aid as it continues to deliver real and lasting results for the world's poor.

Since the publication of the White Paper, Ireland's aid programme has become more focused and effective in tackling poverty and vulnerability in some of the poorest countries in the world. Approximately 100 key decisions were outlined in the White Paper and the consultation paper shows that, in the majority of cases, we have followed through on these effectively. Irish Aid is recognised as a champion in making aid more effective, empowering partner governments to lead on their own development and encouraging donors and civil society organisations to work together better and reduce duplication. Ireland has taken a leadership role in the fight against global hunger, improved ways of preventing and responding to humanitarian emergencies and developed strong oversight mechanisms and systems of accountability. We have fulfilled commitments by placing a stronger focus on Africa, implementing the recommendations of the hunger task force, which sets out how we can tackle hunger most effectively, and setting up of the rapid response register to respond quickly to humanitarian emergencies. During recent visits to Ethiopia and Malawi, I saw the impact of our aid programme. In Ethiopia, agricultural production of grain more than doubled between 2004 and 2009. In Malawi, the number of households with insufficient food has reduced from one in four in 2006 to one in ten today.

There are some areas in the White Paper where progress was less than expected, such as in the promise to establish a tenth programme country or an Irish development bank. Furthermore, the White Paper was developed at a time of rising levels of economic growth and set out a broad and ambitious agenda. The reductions in public expenditure resulting from the difficult economic situation of recent years have resulted in a decline of 30% in Ireland's aid budget between 2008 and 2011. It is imperative that we, through this review, focus on priority areas where we can make a real difference and achieve full value for money for every cent that we spend, with clear accountability to the Irish public and our partners. This point has come out strongly in the consultations undertaken to date.

It is also imperative that we adapt effectively to the changing context globally and in our partner countries. To do so, we need to understand the changing nature of poverty, with emerging challenges such as rising food and energy prices, climate change and the global economic crisis. At the same time, we see emerging opportunities such as high levels of economic growth in Africa, more opportunities for trade and a stronger role for emerging economies in world affairs. The Africa strategy of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade recognises this new context and advances a new approach to Africa, which the White Paper review will help to build upon, with aid, trade, political and other partnerships being developed.

In the review, we have identified a number of issues that we will need to consider, such as hunger, climate change and alleviating poverty in particularly fragile states, as well as the need to respond to basic needs and the centrality of good governance and human rights, including gender equality. The review comes at a very useful point. The High Level Forum on Aid Effectiveness was held last year in Busan and the Rio +20 UN Conference on Sustainable Development will be held in June. The millennium development goals, MDGs, will be reviewed next year in preparation for the development of a platform for global poverty reduction post the 2015 MDG deadline.

The review of the White Paper and the Irish Presidency of the EU in the first half of 2013 present us with an opportunity to draw from these processes and, critically, to bring the various strands together, breaking down any artificial barrier that exists between sustainable development, hunger, climate change, human rights, gender and other priority issues. We also need to consider who we are working with and how. By providing substantial support to our partner countries, civil society organisations and multilateral organisations such as the EU and UN, we are able to react to different contexts in varied and appropriate ways.

Last year, the EU, through member states and the Commission, contributed more than €53 billion in official development assistance, making us by far the largest community of donors in the world. This is part of the reason the joint committee is so important, as member states put a large amount of resources into humanitarian and development aid. For every euro spent on aid worldwide, more than 50 cent comes from the EU. This is a large commitment. Ireland is a strong supporter of multilateral efforts and recognises that global challenges require global solutions. In 2010, we contributed €123.6 million to EU institutions for official development assistance. The 2005 European Consensus on Development provided the backdrop to the White Paper on Irish Aid. This reflected the EU's willingness to make a decisive contribution to the eradication of poverty and to build a more peaceful and equitable world.

In the past year, the European Commission has initiated a discussion on the future of EU development policy, which is expected to lead to the adoption of Council conclusions at the May 2012 Foreign Affairs Council meeting on increasing the impact of the EU Agenda for Change development policy. The Tánaiste will attend this committee in respect of matters that will be discussed at the Council prior to that meeting.

Agenda for Change provides the backdrop for the review of our aid programme. Under the 2014 to 2020 multi-annual financial framework that is being negotiated, the Commission proposes a 9% increase in funding for external relations instruments. This will result in major increases for the development co-operation funding instruments. For example, €34.3 billion will be allocated to the European Development Fund, EDF, €23.3 billion will be allocated to the development co-operation instrument and €18.2 billion will be allocated to the European neighbourhood instrument. Not all of these are directed at the poorest of the poor, but I wished to outline a broad scope of where development and neighbourhood policy money goes. This proposed level of investment is ambitious and deserves to be supported. Agenda for Change will ensure that this money is well targeted and made even more effective in delivering real results.

In particular, we welcome the commitment to maintaining the focus on eradicating poverty, the increased focus on the promotion of human rights, democracy and good governance and the inclusion of food and nutrition security, for which Ireland has been active in garnering support. We have also been supportive of the sharpened sectoral and geographical focus for EU aid, which should be concentrated in those areas where the EU has a comparative advantage and that are most in need. EU aid will also differentiate among partner countries and regions to ensure that aid resources are allocated according to needs and capacities. The focus on Africa, in particular sub-Saharan Africa, which will be home to half of the world's poor by 2030, is welcome.

2013 will be the first time that Ireland holds the Presidency under the post-Lisbon treaty institutional arrangements. From a development perspective, we will seek to build on the strong thematic focus within our programme on hunger and nutrition and linkages to issues such as climate change. We will also seek to make progress in concluding the development aspects of the multi-annual financial framework negotiations and furthering the EU common position for the MDG review summit in September 2013. The Presidency also provides an opportunity to highlight and further Ireland's development and humanitarian priorities. The programme for Government sets out the Government's desire to position Shannon Airport as an international hub for the storage and distribution of emergency humanitarian supplies. We are in the process of carrying out an independent feasibility study to assess the potential for Shannon to develop this hub role within the existing global humanitarian network, as well as the level of demand from various national and international humanitarian actors. I am particularly interested in the potential use of Shannon by EU actors given that the Lisbon treaty introduces for the first time a specific legal basis for EU humanitarian aid. We will be examining the business case for taking this initiative forward. If we do proceed, I will be keen to ensure that it offers value for money and a positive impact on the existing international humanitarian system.

Two development-focused high level events will be held in Dublin during our EU Presidency, namely, an informal meeting of EU development Ministers, which will take place in January 2013 and an international meeting on hunger, nutrition, climate change and development, which will possibly be held in April. These will be further opportunities to highlight thematic priorities areas for Ireland's Presidency.

The review of the White Paper will take these processes and developments into account as we set out our priorities for the coming period. The ideas, in terms of Irish policy, emerging from this review will help to inform our approach to our EU Presidency. We have been participating centrally in examining the future direction of the EU in the fight against poverty and hunger and at how we engage with the EU and its institutions accordingly. Our aim is to ensure that the EU, the Commission and its member states become more focused and effective.

I thank the Chairman and Members for the work of this committee and for its engagement on the review. I look forward to our discussion today and to our ongoing engagement. Obviously, I would welcome a submission from the committee and from any member wishing to make an individual submission .

I thank the Minister of State. I now invite Mrs Nora Owen to make her presentation.

Mrs Nora Owen

I thank the Chairman for his words of welcome. Members will note from the submission provided that I am chairperson of the expert advisory group, which also comprises people such as Dr. Naomi Ngwira from Malawi, an expert on gender and social issues. The group has attended all of the consultation meetings countrywide. During the meetings workshops are prepared and what happens is noted, which notes have been taken on board by the Department and by the group. We will review the process following completion of the consultation period. While the review is in the hands of the Minister of State the independent oversight of the expert group is extremely important. The group will have an input into the final review paper.

The range of issues raised and expertise and knowledge which has come through at the meetings has been fascinating. Many of the meetings have been attended by missionary sisters, brothers and priests who have many years of experience in the countries in which Ireland works. It has been fascinating to hear their experience of the Irish Aid input. There has been much discussion on trade and development issues. The point was also made that there must be a clear understanding of the importance of human rights in any trade that arises out of the African strategy and that ethical trading partnerships should be formed. Some of the people who attended the meetings stated that there should be no development aid programme given the difficulties Ireland is experiencing. The views expressed ranged from Ireland having no aid programme to pleas for increased funding and a continuance of the work being done.

Issues such as European involvement, coherence, lack of duplication and effective monitoring of how money is spent and what value is obtained for it have also been raised at the meetings. We will give serious consideration to the review following completion of the process in early May. While the consultation process was due to be completed by end of April I understand the Minister of State has extended it by a week.

The official target is 25 April. However, if it continues for another week or two that is okay.

Mrs Nora Owen

That is the role which the expert group is playing.

I thank Mrs Owen for her presentation. I am pleased to welcome the witnesses to today's meeting. Prior to my election to the current Dáil I was a Member of the Seanad and previous joint committees on foreign affairs and overseas development aid. As such, I am familiar with the work being done. While a Member of the previous Seanad, my office carried out a study of the performance of Irish Aid. One of the questions put to people during that study - this is relevant in the context of the 30% reduction in support mentioned - was how much they thought we should be giving in overseas development aid. The figure mentioned was 4% to 5%, which concurs with what is being provided by other countries. The reality is that only 70 cent in every €100 is being given to overseas development. There is a great desire to continue our contribution to overseas aid.

We need to do more work in the area of development education. We are repeatedly told that people would like to know more about the impact of the Irish Aid programme on the ground. I acknowledge that the development education area of Irish Aid is not a part of this review. However, it is an issue on which we need to do more work, in particular with adults in the workplace. While we are doing excellent work with students in second and third level, reaching out to adults in the workplace has been a challenge. There is a desire for more information about what we are doing.

I saw at first hand the remarkable work being done by our NGOs and public servants in Uganda and Malawi in the area of health and education. As a nation, we can be very proud of the good work they are doing. My question for the witnesses relates to engagement and disengagement in programme countries. In other words, how and when our programme countries are chosen and when and how we decide to move on. For example, H.E. Tony Cotter, the ambassador to Zambia, engaged in an interesting discussion with the previous committee on overseas development aid on the current state of play in Zambia. It was his contention that things were progressing so well in Zambia it would, in the medium term, become one of the shining lights in Africa. How and when will it be decided to disengage from countries like Zambia and to focus on other countries which are perhaps more needy in terms of support.?

During my time as a member of the previous overseas development aid committee I visited Vietnam, which I had also visited ten years previously. The difference between Vietnam in 2001 and 2011 was immense. The economic growth rate during that time had been 8% to 10% per annum and the country was virtually unrecognisable. In terms of the efficiency of our spend it might be better for us to now concentrate on other areas in Asia or Africa such as Cambodia and Laos, which have greater levels of poverty. How is the decision in terms of how and when to disengage from countries made? I will take questions from others as I do not want to monopolise matters.

I welcome all our colleagues and it is great to see the Minister of State, Deputy Costello, leading the way in his portfolio. I thank him for the presentation and welcome my colleague, Ms Nora Owen. I have had an opportunity to read the consultation paper sent to us and in the previous incarnation of this committee in the last Oireachtas, there were hearings related to this topic. I want to pick up on a few themes suggested in the paper and add my emphasis to them.

The first relates to governance, which is something this paper picks up. My commentary on these matters is theoretical as I have never visited any of the work being done, although I have visited some of the countries. Across the Easter break I had the opportunity to read a book called Why Nations Fail, which was a study of the sources of prosperity across different countries. It may be relevant to some of the work being done here. The book repeatedly made the point that the main reason some countries in Africa are prospering and others are not is the quality of political institutions, and it considered whether they were extractive or inclusive. The theme in this paper is picked up by this in considering how we can ensure the aid and money we are putting in would accompany an improved quality of governance within the countries receiving that aid.

I note that one of the points made by the paper in this regard is that we should hope that as we put in aid and the quality of governance increases, the quantity and amount of private sector activity happening within these countries, and the sharing of that dividend across the entire country, is something that will over time reduce the need for the aid. I emphasise from my own reading of these matters and contributions made by members that this would continue to be a real strategic priority of the work being done.

A second point relates to the generation of trade, and the paper argues that the countries and the continents which receive investment have a fifth of the world's population but a 2% share of the global trade. Ireland has extraordinary heritage and competence in the area. It may seem an odd time to be doing it, given the crisis we are in at the moment, but we have shown the way in how a closed economy with a focus on particular areas can diversify and integrate with a global economy. We can ensure this is an area of focus for the engagement we have with countries, and I would strongly endorse that.

I will finish up with the endorsement point. I am strongly aware of the viewpoint in the country arguing that we either should not be doing the work now because the money should be spent at home, or that we should reduce it because of the greater need at home. I do not share that view. There is a tradition in this area which was a missionary tradition when we were much poorer and in much greater difficulty. We decided to invest and our people decided to go abroad. I want to see that continue. Going to any part of the world, one could meet somebody whose first name is Ronan, Paschal or some other Irish name. That is because they would have been brought up in a school set up by Irish people abroad in very poor circumstances. I want to see that tradition maintained, which is why consultation is so important. We can only maintain the tradition if we learn from what is being done and demonstrate to the people we serve that we are aware of their concerns and integrating that into what is being done abroad, which is crucial.

My colleague, Deputy Hannigan, spoke of a number of places he has seen where aid has been spent, as he is a member of the overseas aid committee. I am not a member of any such committee apart from this one but I would be interested in trying to see the work being done abroad. It would be worthwhile, if possible and cost-effective, if members with an interest could see that work happening. It is important for us to build up a coalition of understanding of these matters within the entire Oireachtas, regardless of party and committee, in order to better understand such matters.

I note Twitter and Facebook being mentioned in the consultation paper as a means of engagement with the public, which is a really good idea. If the Chairman was not so draconian in banning the use of mobile phones in the committee room, I would be following that on Twitter now. It is a really good idea and it is good to see consultation methods from the Government and the State being innovative and allowing many people to figure out what is going on. I strongly welcome the work of this meeting. I applaud the work being doing and the overt efforts being done to review it.

I welcome the Minister of State and Ms Nora Owen. I am not completely sure of the history of the countries involved but I know in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s in Africa there was a battle between communism and democracy. Some of the communist states thought they could become successful by ignoring the basic development in the areas of agricultural and sustainable food production. They discovered they could not ignore this and as was shown in Europe and elsewhere, development of proper sustainable agriculture is the most important factor in sustaining a country or community. We have seen what Robert Mugabe has done in his country, which was the bread basket of Africa and is now struggling. Like Deputy Donohoe, I have not been to those countries to see the work done but it is encouraging to see pictures of the food being produced.

I remember watching a television programme concerned with one of the Balkan states which showed a child being raised by his grandmother as his parents had been killed. That child was sustained on bread and water or milk, which is very basic nutrition. It was said that if it was ensured that €10 could go directly to the child, people would send it, but there is always a concern in some people's minds about donating and how much money ends up in doing the work. Corruption in certain states is also of concern and one may hear stories of grain being hijacked. Will the witnesses comment on this with regard to the programme countries?

The consultation paper mentions HIV and AIDS. How much of a problem is the Catholic Church's view on contraception with regard to this and related issues, such as high birth rates? In these developing countries parents literally cannot afford to sustain or look after children. In Uganda there were issues of persecution of homosexuals, and people asked why we should provide funding for a country where such persecution took place. While stopping the funding would not help the suffering of the people involved, would it change the mind of the authorities? I think there was a change recently.

I welcome the witnesses, particularly the Minister of State, Deputy Costello. He dived head first into the body of work in his Department and is getting on with his job. As Ms Owen said, it is easy to question why we are giving money away in our current situation and to suggest that it should be cut. Figures of billions of euro are bandied about on every news channel every day, the most startling of which was related to the consultative paper on hunger. We have a difficult history of hunger. A family tree was handed to me recently and I saw that one of my relatives had to leave around the time of the Famine, a story replicated in many families in this country. The fact that one in seven of the world population is hungry is a startling statistic and one that should be borne in mind by those who advocate cutting Ireland's overseas development aid.

The previous Government and this Government came in for criticism from those who consider themselves humanitarians over the use of Shannon Airport by US troops. It has generated negative publicity but I am glad to see the airport will be used as an international hub for storage and distribution. It can be called on in times of crisis and will be a first responder. It is time we had that facility.

The witnesses referred to carrying out an independent feasibility study. When will it be completed? Can the witnesses elaborate on a business case for taking forward this initiative?

I welcome our former colleague, the Minister of State, and the former Deputy, Nora Owen, and their respective colleagues. It is important that people with a lifetime interest in this issue have responsibility for generating the thinking process at this time. In the difficult economic circumstances in which we find ourselves, it is easy to promote the notion of closing down the shop and concentrating on the immediate steps at home. That is not how the world is and we cannot afford to do it, nor should we attempt to do so. Notwithstanding the severity of our situation, many situations globally are far worse than ours. It is a great tribute to the Irish people that, over the years, they have always seen the topic in this way. We pretended we were among the richest countries in the world for a few years but it was a pretence. We were never the richest but we contributed to those who are less well off, which is a great tribute to the charitable disposition of the Irish people.

The agri-development programme in operation through Irish Aid is important because everyone needs to eat and much of this subject concerns starvation and famine. We must concentrate on alleviating it by the most practical, useful and workable methods. The most cost-effective and efficient route is to assist those in need in an indirect way to help themselves by growing their own where it can be done.

I will try not to go over the points raised by other speakers, which include value for money. We kept it in mind over the past ten or 12 years because some of us knew we would arrive at the current situation and we pointed out the need to be cost-effective, efficient and transparent in the administration of overseas development aid. Otherwise, great damage will be done to the reputation and work undertaken by Irish Aid. I compliment all those concerned on their ability to address the issue in a meaningful, positive way. They can say, without fear, that aid was diverted to those in need of aid as opposed to those who would like to avail of it, which is a different matter.

It may be possible to utilise the private sector in Africa, where there is major activity by multinational corporations. Some of this activity is to the detriment of national economies because they do not feel they have a social responsibility. Some corporations contribute but I am more inclined to encourage a contribution through Irish Aid, through a bilateral arrangement or through the UN, by enabling NGOs in the field. NGOs have first-hand experience on the ground and can evaluate the benefits and the need to focus on sensitive areas where aid will have the maximum positive impact. Work has taken place in that area.

Some agencies of the UN are more effective than others in the identification of sensitive areas and spending money. To what extent can we, through Irish Aid and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, have a positive influence on focusing on the most effective and efficient agencies to encourage more aid through those channels? It is very important and has a better effect from the point of view of the recipients.

The Minister of State pointed out the EU is the greatest international contributor to development aid and to addressing hardship, starvation, famine and human rights abuses. The European Union does not get credit for a lot of things but it certainly does not receive credit for that. As an EU member state committed to EU principles, we should take full credit for that and convey the message to the relevant authorities in the EU.

In the past, climate change was used as a vehicle for changing trade. Mr. Donal Cronin will remember this from his experience in the area. I am an opponent of any attempt to change EU trade rules, through the WTO or elsewhere, to the disadvantage of Europe, particularly in respect of sugar. I was unique in opposing every attempt to discontinue the sugar regime in Europe. Members opposite will remember the selling point at the time, which was sugar prices would fall dramatically throughout Europe as a result of the use of poor farmers in poorer recipient countries, and this was good economics. They had no intention of benefiting the poorer farmers in the deprived regions. It was done for the benefit of multinational corporations. All that happened in the sugar industry, in Ireland and in Europe, was provision was taken out of processing and manufacturing and handed not to poor farmers in the developing world but to multinational corporations.

The Minister referred to the EU review of this sort of activity that is under way. Given the vast scale of that investment, is there any indication of the likely conclusions the review will reach? It would be a lot easier for us to implement any changes we want to make if they cohere with future changes across the European Union in terms of how it will invest that vast sum of money. It offers us an opportunity to influence the conclusions that will be reached.

I thank members for this wide-ranging discussion, the pertinent questions, and the support for our overseas development aid record and commitments. We came in at the top in the most recent OECD assessment of countries throughout the world, . We are seen as the most effective of all countries in overseas development aid. While we are doing a review of the 2006 White Paper, we are starting from a strong base, where it is recognised that what we are doing and how we are doing it is best practice. That is vital.

How do we choose countries? In 1974, the then Minister for Foreign Affairs, Garret FitzGerald, set up the Irish overseas development aid programme. That was a welcome initiative and he always said it was one of his finest moments. We make our choices based on legacy and historical reasons related to missionaries and the NGOs. We also choose countries where there is greatest need. We go for those areas where the poorest people live. That is why we have seven programme countries in sub-Saharan African. The other two programme countries we have are in Vietnam and Timor-Leste.

How do we move on? That is an issue for us in the review. It is a live issue and there are other areas of fragility in Africa. I am going to Sierra Leone and Liberia early in June and those are areas that are fragile and that we could consider. There was a commitment in the old White Paper to have a tenth programme country. Obviously we do not want to go for too many countries. We want to focus on the most needy. We must draw up guidelines on how we move out gradually from full-blooded involvement in a programme country, with a major focus on all elements in it, especially hunger, and move into another country with greater need. That will be at the core of our deliberations and we would welcome submissions from the committee in that respect.

Deputy Donohoe asked about good governance. We insist upon that. It is a major part of our focus. We underpin everything with human rights, which are the starting point. Everywhere we go, we raise the issue. Everyone knows this is where Ireland stands on aid delivery. It is the same with the NGOs. A strong human rights ethos underpins all the NGOs with which we engage. To a great extent we fund civil society in our partner countries.

We go a step further in that we assist in the establishment of anti-corruption agencies in countries. The Irish Human Rights Commission is engaged with Sierra Leone at present in establishing a robust anti-corruption mission. That is part of the way we operate too, with expertise from Ireland being made available.

These are areas where we are strong and, interestingly, many of the complaints that are now coming through about corruption in African countries are coming from the countries themselves because of the strength of the civil society and the anti-corruption mechanisms we have helped fund and because of our emphasis on human rights.

The persecution of homosexuals in Uganda was mentioned. Anti-homosexual legislation was proposed in Uganda but it was rejected. Interestingly I was in Malawi last month and the first person I met was the Minister for Foreign Affairs. We had a 45 minute discussion before meeting half a dozen Ministers the following day. Those 45 minutes were devoted purely to human rights and to the legislation Malawi had introduced in 2010 to criminalise homosexual acts among women. The legislation had existed for years for homosexuality among men, exactly the same as the situation was in Ireland. The legislation was introduced in 2010 to equalise the legislation and to criminalise women as well as men. We had a thorough discussion of this and it appeared we were getting nowhere until I said the best thing to do was look at the situation in Ireland 20 years ago. There was a great deal of concern about it, with discussion and controversy, but I said I would supply copies of the debates that took place in these Houses and show the steps we took over the years, including the case that was taken to the European Court of Human Rights. Once there was a focus on the experience of another country, straight away the attitude of the Minister for Foreign Affairs changed. It is to be hoped he is now discussing the debate that took place in Ireland. In the meantime, the President, who was his brother, died and has been replaced by someone else.

Is that President Banda?

Yes, President wa Mutharika was succeeded by President Banda, a woman who has been very much engaged in human rights and civil society issues, so we can expect some change there. It is that sort of engagement on a practical and concrete level that has results. Ireland is respected because when we come in, we are transparent, letting people know exactly where we stand.

Almost everyone mentioned trade and this is a vital issue for all of us. The traditional NGOs would be fund-raising for - I will not say the black babies - famine relief in areas that could not be worse hit. The situation has changed dramatically in Africa where there have been a half a dozen years of positive development in many countries. It is distributed very unequally but economic progress of about 6% to 7% has been made. Throughout the continent of Africa it is projected that development will be in the region of 5% to 6% over the next five to six years. We must look at the total aid package, from humanitarian aid to alleviate a crisis, such as famine, flood, tsunami or other disaster, investment for sustainable development which will lead to self sufficiency, and the country being able to trade on an equal basis.

When I visited Ethiopia I met many Ministers during the African Union summit. They were excited by the proposals in our new Africa strategy, which is to move the relationship between our countries to a new level. They were delighted with the development aid but the prospect of our countries trading on an equal basis was received enthusiastically. We spoke about trade missions and the benefit of Irish expertise to help them in providing better quality produce to bring to market. We have embarked on one of those bilateral arrangements. The Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine, Deputy Simon Coveney, together with my Department have €1 million to pilot a scheme with Tanzania and Kenya to improve their agricultural produce and put in place regulatory standards so that their food will meet international standards. Deputy Kyne was particularly strong on that point.

The way forward is for Ireland to bring its expertise to these countries so they can reach another level of participation with other countries on the continent of Africa and the European Union.

Although the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is responsible for the overall spend, interdepartmental co-operation is required to achieve the best outcome from Irish aid. We have expertise in different Departments and there is scope for bilateral agreements in various countries. I chair an interdepartmental committee and I want to see each Department participate in projects in the future. I would also like to see the pilot project on agriculture being initiated in other countries. Agriculture is at the heart of development in Africa, as it has been in the development of Ireland. More than any other country in the world we have the expertise in that area and it is important to ensure that expertise is made available.

Deputy Donohoe put forward a very good suggestion on members the European affairs committee visiting these countries. The chairman has seen half of Africa.

No, not quite half of the continent.

It is extremely important that the European Union committee and not just the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, should have first hand knowledge of what is being done with the European Union contribution. Let us remember that more than 50% of every dollar that is available for development and humanitarian aid throughout the world comes from the collective contributions of the European Union. That should be noted in the review of the White Paper. I understand the committee will meet in Parliament in the Chamber.

That will happen during the week of the May bank holiday, from 9 May.

Yes, on European Union day. I would love to see the issues we are discussing now being part of that debate, for example, the question of a humanitarian hub, which Senator James Heffernan wanted clarified. We should try to get the issues we prioritise into the Commission's programme of work. The European Union is central to overseas development and we should have a major say in how the money is spent.

Whatever view one holds on Shannon Airport being used as a hub for American troops going to Iraq and Afghanistan and extraordinary rendition, that will come to an end by 2014, which is the deadline for withdrawal from Afghanistan. The business which keeps the airport alive will cease. Shannon has always been a hub of one description or another. In the past, all international flights left from Shannon, but to a large extent they have been moved to Dublin. Then there was the Russian oil depot. Now we must consider the question of Shannon as a hub for humanitarian aid. The Lisbon treaty places a statutory emphasis on humanitarian aid and the eradication of poverty. The European Union does not have a humanitarian aid hub. Last week there was a threat of a tsunami in Indonesia. We were on alert for a call from the United Nations to deploy our humanitarian aid that is stocked in Malaysia. We would have medical and other supplies of tents and food there. We believe the European Union, which commits to 50% of all aid, should have its own designated humanitarian hub for other European Union countries and that the United Nations could locate its supplies elsewhere. Shannon Airport is ideal because it has the capacity to handle any size of aircraft, with the capacity to stock supplies and is ideally positioned on the edge of the Atlantic to cover a wide area. The tenders are in for the feasibility study and I expect to receive the recommendations on them in the next week and will decide on a tender. Then the feasibility study will commence. I have already spoken to Ms Kristalina Georgieva, Commissioner for International Cooperation, Humanitarian Aid and Crisis Response. There is also a Commissioner for Development, Mr. Andris Piebalgs, to whom I must speak about this hub. We would be very anxious to be able to put the best case for this project. It is desirable and it is in the programme for Government.

Deputy Durkan raised the issue of value for money. We are very strict on audit and evaluation accountability and we conduct internal audits. Our embassies are a wonderful resource and are keeping tabs on everything that is happening, both in terms of overseas development aid and trade. We have external accountability procedures in place as well. Hunger has always been at the core of our work. Approximately 20% of our aid goes directly to that area. Climate change is very important. As I have said, we have decided to hold a major international conference in April of next year, during our Presidency of the EU. We will hold it jointly with the Mary Robinson Foundation. The international conference will focus on hunger, nutrition and climate change. We will bring all of that together.

I was asked about how we can engage the private sector. I have mentioned the African strategy. The private sector is anxious to get engaged in Africa. Officials from my Department have been involved in a number of meetings in that regard. Approximately 150 companies have expressed an interest in this area. A number of Irish companies are already involved. Irish companies employ approximately 13,000 people in South Africa. Enterprise Ireland has established a base in South Africa to provide a service to all of southern Africa. We have provided a dedicated focal point in all of our embassies. Companies will be able to get the relevant information from the contact person who is available. Business, investment and trade contacts will be made with partners or potential partners in that way. All of that is being done. We will not tie our aid to our trade, but we recognise that they must be complementary.

We are anxious to build on what we have achieved. We have a wonderful legacy of missionary work in many countries and particularly in Africa. That tremendous work has been ongoing for many decades - perhaps for a century and a half. Everywhere we go, we see examples of it in areas like education and health. Our overseas development aid programme has built on that record. We have created an environment and built a good reputation for Ireland. I refer to our relationships and to the human rights basis that underpins everything. We have made it clear to all the companies we are engaged with that we do not want our record to be tarnished in any way. We want to build on it so that our engagement alongside the private sector is ethical, rather than exploitative or predatory as the engagement of certain countries is inclined to be. We have a lot to add to the equation in that respect. If we can broaden our aid programme in a manner that encompasses humanitarian aid and development and allows for trade and business, we will set a good precedent and offer a good model to the rest of the world.

I have outlined a few of my thoughts. The members of the committee might wish to ask about other matters. Ms Owen might want to say a word or two before we conclude. I thank the committee again for giving us an opportunity to address it. We appreciate the crucial role that is played by this committee and by the EU in relation to overseas development aid. It is extremely important for us to engage with the committee on this review. We will continue to do so.

Ms Nora Owen

The main reason I came to this meeting was to hear what members have to say. We are going through a process of listening to people. I join the Minister of State in thanking the Chairman and the members of the committee for receiving us and discussing this review. I assure the committee that the points which have been made will be seriously considered, along with all of the other points, when the review paper is being finalised.

I thank Ms Owen, the Minister of State, Deputy Costello, Dr. O'Neill and Mr. Cronin for their attendance. I suggest that we send a copy of this transcript of today's meeting and a summary of the points that have been made by each member to the Minister. The committee has to deal with some matters in private session.

The joint committee went into private session at 12.15 p.m. and adjourned at 12.35 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 25 April 2012.
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