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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND THE PUBLIC SERVICE debate -
Wednesday, 17 Jan 2007

Business of Joint Committee.

Apologies have been received from Deputies Paul McGrath and McGuinness and Senator O'Toole.

The first item on the agenda is the draft minutes of the meeting of 13 December, which have been circulated. Are they agreed? Agreed.

The next item is correspondence. A schedule was circulated ten days ago, some of which is straightforward. Item 2007, document 001, is an acknowledgement by the Department of Social and Family Affairs of an individual's letter regarding the payment of carer's allowance. I suggest that we note it. The matter is receiving attention in the Department.

The next item is the acknowledgement by the Irish Taxation Institute of a recently resolved matter. We received a letter from the institute in respect of an announcement in the budget. The committee discussed the topic.

The next item is a letter from the ambassador of the Czech Republic requesting the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service to meet a Czech delegation to discuss a number of issues. The timeframe mentioned is 19 February to 11 March. Will we try to make the necessary arrangements for a day that—

We will proceed to make the necessary arrangements at a time that suits committee members.

The next item is a letter from Bank of Ireland regarding its pensions strategy.

There is a letter before that one.

My mistake. It is a letter from the Ceann Comhairle with an attachment containing the outline of proposed meetings to be held in Berlin that relate to the committee. As members can see, many Oireachtas committees are referred to in it. The meetings relating to our committee will be held on 29 and 30 April. Do members believe the committee should be represented?

I have no hard and fast opinion on it.

We will agree in principle to attend, get costings and see who is available to travel.

If it is unnecessary we should not pursue it.

I do not think I will go. I will have other matters to attend to at the end of April.

The next item is a letter from Bank of Ireland on its pension strategy. We wrote to the bank some time ago on this matter. The IBOA was in contact with this organisation about the pension strategy in Bank of Ireland. We wrote to them and received a comprehensive response. I suggest members feel free to use the correspondence as they see fit. It is on the public record. I am sure the issue will be raised in several fora. We will note the reply.

The next item is a letter from the Department of Finance with advance notification on the extension of the freedom of information, FOI, programme. The matter of regulations to bring under the remit of the FOI programme, the Labour Court, the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner and vocational education committees will come before the committee shortly. I expect we will learn more, as it will come before the committee in due course. We will note the correspondence.

No. 07 is an e-mail from the clerk to the Joint Committee on European Affairs giving advance notice of the meeting between members of national parliaments and the economic and monetary affairs committee of the European Parliament. The meeting will be held from 28 February to 1 March. Are any committee members interested in attending? If no one present answers, I will ask the clerk to liaise with the Government and Opposition convenors and if members are interested we will put forward a travel proposal.

No. 08 is an acknowledgement from the Department of Education and Science on the Dyslexia Association of Ireland seeking an amendment to the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997. We forwarded correspondence received to the Department of Education and Science. The finance Bill will come before the committee in February.

No. 09 is an e-mail regarding preserved retirement pensions for civil servants. As this involves Senator O'Toole and he is not present, I suggest we postpone this item of correspondence until the next meeting.

The next item is an e-mail to the clerk to the Joint Committee on European Affairs with an invitation to the third joint parliamentary party meeting in Brussels. Many meetings will take place in Brussels this season. I will ask the clerk to liaise with the two convenors to establish whether any members are interested in attending. If so, we will then get a travel proposal.

No. 11 is an e-mail from the FOI policy unit of the Department of Finance regarding FOI extension regulations. This is a second item of correspondence on the matter mentioned previously. The Department thought this would be done at the end of last year but it will be early 2007. We will note this.

No. 12 is an e-mail regarding a conference on EU taxes organised by the Institute of Austrian and International Tax Law of the Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration from 5 to 7 July. Who is confident he or she will be a member of the committee on 5 July? The clerk will speak to the two convenors and any volunteers should let me know.

No. 13 is a suggested timetable for the finance Bill to go through the Oireachtas. It gives publication dates and dates for Second Stage and Committee Stage. I ask members to note the dates in their diaries. Committee Stage will be taken from 20 to 22 February. The periods between Second Stage, Committee Stage and Report Stage appear to be adequate to allow for amendments. On previous occasions the Stages were taken week after week and finishing a Stage on a Thursday meant we had no time to table amendments for the following week. There appears to be a reasonable break in that regard. I ask members to note this in their diaries.

I have not had an opportunity to study the large number of statutory instruments awaiting our consideration and nor, I think, have other members. They will be circulated to members in order that they can be discussed at our next meeting. Some may simply involve routine commencement dates, although others may be more substantive, but I am not in favour of noting something I have not seen.

The next item is No. 219, a letter dated 14 December from the clerk to the Joint Committee on European Affairs, Sub-Committee on European Scrutiny. I suggest we note the correspondence, which was referred to this committee for our information. We have a certain amount of scrutiny to conduct on EU matters, which we may complete in February.

Senator White wishes to raise correspondence which was not on today's agenda.

I am disgusted with the attitude taken by the Department of Finance with regard to the issue of pensions for retired prison officers. I do not understand why it holds the attitude it does. Three months must have passed since we met representatives of retired prison officers on the issue. I ask the committee's permission to personally raise the issue with the Minister for Finance.

We wrote to the Department of Finance at the end of October on the issue of retired prison officers but, although it is now almost the end of January, we have received nothing beyond an acknowledgement. That type of behaviour is unacceptable.

It is not good enough.

On behalf of the committee, we should formally write to the Department seeking a proper response to the issues we raised as a result of meeting retired prison officers. The Senator should by all means speak directly to the Minister in her own capacity. Is that agreed?

There is no notation in the circulated correspondence referring to this issue.

No reference was made to the issue but certain members of the committee received telephone calls this week from representatives of the Association of Retired Prison Officers inquiring whether a reply had been received to our earlier correspondence. However, all we have received from the Department is an acknowledgement of our letter and we have not yet been given a substantive reply.

Perhaps the committee should introduce a tracking mechanism so that if replies are not received by a certain date, such as within six weeks, we formally revisit the matter because issues can fall off the agenda when we do not receive replies.

If we were not pursuing this issue today, it would have fallen off the agenda.

It would be gone.

I ask that the correspondence be circulated to all members as soon as possible because I share the vexation expressed by Senator White and the Chairman on this issue. It should have been addressed long before today.

We may examine the committee's correspondence for 2006 to determine whether any matters remain outstanding. If we do not remember to raise such matters or do not receive replies, they will not reappear in correspondence. Therefore, we need a control mechanism to ensure we receive replies. Although we do not engage in a great deal of correspondence with Departments, the need remains for a checklist.

The next matter on the committee's agenda is a discussion with the Consumers' Association of Ireland and the Irish Taxation Institute on the under-claiming of allowances and reliefs by taxpayers. The committee will suspend the sitting while our guests take their seats.

Sitting suspended at 11.53 a.m. and resumed at 11.55 a.m.
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