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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Thursday, 25 Nov 2004

Overseas Development Aid: Pesentation.

As all members are aware, the Government has made a commitment to an increase of €190 million in overseas aid over the next three years. This falls short of the target of 0.7% of GNP by 2007. A note has been circulated to members today from Development Co-operation Ireland setting out its plans for the foreseeable future. I asked them if they could give us an indication of where they might spend money since that issue was called into question. The summary at the end of the note states:

In sum the ground work to absorb additional funding in the Irish programme has in good measure been initiated and is ongoing. Within reason and assuming that that capacity within the programme will be allowed to keep pace, there is confidence that the programme can absorb the allocations already pledged and more if available.

There are examples of the different areas and the work being done to establish the base for development in areas like HIV/AIDS, education, health, water and sanitation, rural access and promotion of good governance.

DCI also pointed out the bigger programmes to which they contribute. Obviously they can contribute more if they have the resources. DCI are also directly engaged in countries in transition like Sierra Leone, Liberia and Palestine. These will require funds. There are also countries including Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. I do not think they see any difficulty in that regard, though that has been referred back to us as an issue and a problem.

I am somewhat confused about this in a number of ways. I am sure it is the unanimous view of the committee that we are devasted that our view on meeting the target on ODA has not been accepted. That was the view reflected also in the development sub-committee.

I am not devastated.

That is fine. I will begin again and put it more straightforwardly in a clearer way. I propose that the committee should express its keen disappointment at the failure of the Government to respond to the request of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs in relation to the matter of the Government's expressed target of achieving 0.7% of GNP in overseas development aid by 2007.

I second that.

I suggest that we take a vote on this matter before this meeting ends.

On a point of order, would there not have to be a motion for a vote?

No. It was on the agenda.

We have never previously put ourselves in this position. This is a mature committee which has been here a long time. It has established practices of its own. We have always come to a broad consensus about our view. Members may express in a particular way very strong sentiments but they know that we will put across a broad consensus.

There is no doubt that as far as the committee is concerned we are disappointed with the outcome. I appreciate that the Deputy was not here in the lead up to it but we have had a lot of discussion with the Taoiseach and Ministers in relation to this issue. Even as recently as two weeks ago we had a letter from the Taoiseach committing to 0.7% and when the figures came out it was quite clear that this would not be reached. Also in October in the revised programme for government it is clearly set as a target for 2007. We have discussed all these things previously. Naturally Deputies and Senators have been disappointed.

Can we hear the Minister on it?

We have had the Minister here. He came to give his view both before the publication of the Estimates and afterwards. We had it both ways. The Government has said very clearly that there are other issues with which it has to deal and it has given what it would regard as a substantial increase and a three year programme. We recognise that, but at the same time it is a commitment that was made in good faith by everybody and we want to see that commitment fulfilled.

Members have been on the ground and have seen the work being done by DCI, the missionaries and non-governmental organisations. We want to support. That was our position going into the Estimates process and there was consensus. Members are free to express their view at any stage. If we were to vote, a motion would have to be put four days in advance. I do not think we have to get into that.

I did not raise the question of a vote. Deputy Higgins did.

I am the longest serving member on this committee.

One of them.

I would like to be free to finish what I have to say. I do not mind being interrupted. I am well able for that, particularly when it comes to the development area. I have been at it for a much longer time than some of the people present. I will give notice now of the motion for the next meeting. In the meantime it would help contributions to the debate if those who are not familiar read the minutes of the previous meetings.

The figures for ODA with which we are presented are almost a fact, but we have a window of opportunity between now and the budget to repeat our unanimous request that we should seek to achieve the commitment made on behalf of the people of Ireland at the United Nations in September 2000 and repeated as late as the 58th General Assembly in September 2003 and represented in all Government programmes and in the partnership agreements. In view of the implications of the breaking of those agreements and undertakings given, I think we should make a further suggestion between now and budget day to the Minister for Finance seeking that he should put the programme back on track.

There further difficulties that arise. There was a comprehensive survey of the entire set of issues involved in development made for the advisory committee on development co-operation. We have to ask the question in relation to the briefing note what issues beyond those covered by that consideration would be covered in a White Paper. We certainly should debate here the terms of reference of any White Paper.

The second issue which I find very disturbing is the opening up of an old argument on the relevance of expenditure by NGOs on advocacy. The spending of money on advocacy is incredibly important, as we heard from different delegations, from coffee pickers and others in Guatemala, for instance, who simply wanted to be assisted to establish their trade unions, co-operatives and so on. That is very important work.

Another matter we should consider is a review of progress towards the achievement of the eight millennium goals which were discussed in Johannesburg in terms of pledges. The European Commission is compiling a report on behalf of member countries on where they stand in relation to those commitments. We should discuss those issues.

I do not purport to speak for anyone else. I am personally devastated by having to take up again the argument for meeting the 0.7% target. We actually asked other countries to seek to achieve it and that has been done by five countries. Sweden has revised its target to 1%. If the Government had said that the target would be met one or two years late, we would have accepted it to some extent as being something very meaningful. The problem regarding what is being projected now is that when the commitment was made in September 2000 for achievement in 2007, the mid-term figure was 0.45%. We hit 0.41%. The Government is suggesting we will hit 0.5% in 2007 but most of the calculations we have seen are coming in at around .45% or less. We can discuss it more substantively when it is on the agenda, perhaps at our next meeting.

I was very disappointed and I raised it at our parliamentary party meeting. This memo from DCI is actually quite helpful and it may help us to inform further thinking on this topic before budget day. There are issues around setting a target date. There are ways of isolating the Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos issue as probably deserving a separate envelope. There is also the possibility of looking at increased debt relief figures. In expressing our concern we may be able to urge the Minister to avail of the next few days to look again at ways in which this can be brought forward.

The committee will suspend briefly for a division in the Dáil.

Sitting suspended at 3.34 p.m. and resumed at 4.05 p.m.

I am suggesting that the paper before us provides some opportunities for the Minister to look at ways in which further measures could be taken to assist the programme countries. When Tom Arnold was replying to a comment I had made that on the grounds of human decency we ought to be helping these countries, he said that it also makes sense on good business grounds. We are investing over €1 billion over the next three years, a huge amount of money, in programme countries and in development aid. If we continue to do that and if we are able to increase it, we will reap the benefits by way of African and Asian countries reaching a greater level of sustainability, reducing the level of poverty and the incidence of AIDS.

I take issue with the Minister in relation to his views on advocacy. My view is that until such time as the religious missionaries and the NGOs, who are our ambassadors, are allowed and enabled to raise issues of poverty, debt relief and related issues, the developed world will not take notice. Wherever else the Minister might be tempted to retrench spending, it should not be in the area of advocacy.

I think it is devastating but this committee does not get involved in silly personality or party political disputes. There are other fora where we can do that very effectively. I am delighted Deputy Carey has already raised what we hope is the postponement of the target date for reaching what I would regard as our obligation.

On the issue of advocacy, there is another point. It is the vigour of the advocacy in this country which has created the all-party consensus that exists. It would be more difficult for Government if some of the parties in Opposition decided to do the cheapskate thing and suggest that we should spend our money at home. People do not do that. There is political consensus that we creating an envelope and nobody in the political debate will use populist arguments against that. I sincerely hope this committee will continue to represent that consensus and that nothing said here would suggest that the consensus will be broken. We will have our political disagreements which will be expressed in different fora. The role of this committee is to maximise pressure to achieve this target. We can find other fora to say things in a slightly more colourful way. I have already done so on two occasions when I had wonderful exchanges with Senator O'Rourke about issues relating to this. This is a place where we might be able to make a difference and the advocacy by NGOs is what has given us the political space to create a consensus.

One of the problems that emerged in recent weeks was the suggestion that it might not be possible for the money to be spent, that the institutions were not capable or did not have the mechanism to spend it. We should recognise that the need is as great as ever and it is increasing. There is starvation, strife and abuse of human rights. We are anxious to ensure the aid reaches those for whom it is intended and that issue will have to be dealt with again.

The committee made a unanimous decision at the last meeting about the commitment to reaching the UN target. It is a pity this will not be the case. The objectives and deadlines have been shifted and it does not give a great headline to other countries who may be better off than we are. It is an indication that we are taking the foot off the pedal at a time when it is least appropriate. I hope the Minister will look again at this matter and perhaps reinstate the target.

I will write to the Minister for Finance on behalf of the committee and convey our disappointment. The views of Deputies and Senators will be conveyed to him tomorrow, before the budget.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.15 p.m. and adjourned at 4.25 p.m sine die.

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