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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Wednesday, 2 Dec 2009

Human Rights in Zimbabwe: Discussion.

Before we commence today, I would like to advise that, whereas Members of the Houses enjoy absolute privilege in respect of utterances made in committee, witnesses do not enjoy absolute privilege. Accordingly, caution should be exercised particularly with regard to references of a personal nature.

I welcome Ms Jestina Mukoko, human rights activist and director of the Zimbabwe Peace Project. Ms Mukoko is accompanied by Mr. Seamus Collins, programme manager with Trócaire. A number of visitors are present in the Visitors Gallery, and I welcome them. I welcome Ms Mukoko's son, Tukudzwa, to Ireland. I also welcome Ms Tendai Madondo from Christian Aid, who appeared before the committee to discuss the situation in Zimbabwe. Mr. Maxwell Saungweme, Trócaire's governance and human rights officer in Zimbabwe is accompanied by Ms Mala Roche, Trócaire's regional liaison officer for South Africa. I would like to express my gratitude to Ms Roche for her assistance in organising today's meeting. Ms Roche has also submitted a briefing document from Trócaire which has been circulated to members.

We all recall when we learned of Ms Jestina Mukoko's disappearance last December. At that time we issued a statement calling for her release and requested the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, to actively pursue her case with the Zimbabwean authorities. This was subsequently done through the office of the Irish ambassador to South Africa, Mr. Colin Rafter. We also raised her case with the Zimbabwean ambassador in London at that time.

In April of this year the members of the joint committee met Ms Eithne Brennan and Ms Mala Roche of Trócaire together with Mr. Harrison Nkomo, a human rights lawyer who was representing Ms Mukoko. At that meeting, as well as discussing Ms Mukoko's case, we discussed the wider humanitarian situation in Zimbabwe following its long history of colonisation and exploitation and its recent years of societal upheaval, political mismanagement and economic collapse.

We are truly delighted to welcome Ms Mukoko to the Oireachtas today. Her many friends in Ireland were rightly concerned for her safety and well-being during the past year. While we are very pleased that the prosecution has been dropped, we are aware that the situation in Zimbabwe remains grave for human rights defenders more generally. Equally, we are concerned about the ongoing humanitarian suffering of so many people of Zimbabwe, including that caused by hunger and cholera. The committee would be very keen to hear Ms Mukoko's analysis of the current situation. I invite her to address the committee and thank her for coming to join us. It is a pleasure to have her and we are delighted by her release.

Ms Jestina Mukoko

I thank the committee for this opportunity. I am humbled by my welcome and wish to express my appreciation for the campaigns launched on my behalf in Ireland. It was touching when I was granted bail on 2 March to realise that there had been a public outcry, not only in Zimbabwe, but across its borders and as far away as Ireland.

When I visited Ireland briefly in May 2008 and took part in the Africa Day celebrations organised by Trócaire, I did not know that I was making friends in this part of the world. I interacted with the media, frontline defenders, AWEPA and some Deputies whose names I do not recall, although I enjoyed a good lunch with them. I also met our partner organisation, Trócaire, and the general public who attended the Africa Day event. During the time I was held incommunicado for 21 days, I was not aware of what was happening in terms of the public outcry and the demand for my unconditional release. I am aware now that people from Ireland called my son to reassure him of the friends his mother had. I deeply appreciate the fact that my friends in Ireland at every level believed in me and at no time doubted my innocence.

The last time I visited Ireland I spoke to Oireachtas Members about the then upcoming elections in June 2008 and the expected accompanying violence. While at the back of my mind, like every human rights defender, I thought I was at risk, I never dreamt that by the close of the year I would be a statistic. While I am at the helm of an organisation in defence of human rights, I never imagined what the survivors and victims of political violence that we documented went through. My ordeal was harrowing, but I am happy that with my strong Christian education and faith, they failed to break my spirit. I even remember telling my interrogators that I was not a supporter of any political party but a passionate defender of human rights.

The first anniversary of my experience, on 3 December, occurs tomorrow. However, as today is Wednesday it brings the memories back to me, because my abduction began on a Wednesday that I had planned to spend with my son. Little did I know that was not to be the case. I was snatched early in the morning, at approximately 5 a.m. I was not decently dressed and was still in my nightwear. I was not allowed to take my spectacles or dress decently and was taken away barefoot. In my mind I thought I would be back in my house soon or that I would be thrown out somewhere. Little did I know that I would be 21 days away from my son, my family and all the other people who cared about me.

When I was released I was really touched by what my family had gone through. I have a brother who searched for me in the hospitals, but when he could not find me he decided to go through the morgues. I was touched by that. I have already said that my abductors did not break my spirit, but I believe my appearance on my release demonstrated I had gone through a difficult time. When my brother saw me for the first time, I was surprised by his reaction, but I had not seen myself in a mirror for the three weeks I had been held incommunicado. I did not know what I looked like, but I was confident my spirit was still strong. I was surprised my brother was crying when I expected him to be overjoyed to see me.

I am confident the reason I was held was because of the work my organisation does in monitoring and documenting violations of human rights that are politically motivated. I remember one of my interrogators asking how our monitors got accurate information. I asked whether he had called it "accurate" and he replied "Yes" quite impatiently because I was asking him about something he had already said. At the time I smiled, although I was in trouble, because it was a feather in my cap that the work we were doing as an organisation had been recognised and had an impact.

As committee members may have heard from a member of my team of lawyers, Harrison Nkomo, my experience put the Zimbabwean Judiciary to the test. I remember when I appeared in court for the first time on 24 December, Christmas Eve, I did not believe that I belonged anywhere else other than with my family, who I had missed for close to a month. However, to my surprise this was the beginning of a clear case of persecution, as demonstrated by the way court orders were flouted with impunity. I was called names and "a threat to national security" which shocked me, and was labelled "a common criminal". These are descriptions with which I still cannot identify. I doubt I will ever identify with them.

My case also made me realise that while there are known human rights defenders like me and others in civil society, there are other unsung defenders with whom I interacted. I often speak about a doctor who examined me when I was brought to the hospital in handcuffs and leg irons. She refused to examine me until the officer responsible for me unshackled me. At first, the officer was not comfortable about removing the leg irons and handcuffs, but the doctor insisted that she would not examine me and eventually the officer realised she did not have a choice other than to remove the shackles. I consider people like that doctor who work for human rights in their daily work as unsung defenders of human rights who are not recognised as such by us in our day-to-day work.

The situation in Zimbabwe still remains fragile and uncertain, although the global political agreement signed in September 2008 resulted in the consummation of an inclusive Government which has brought hope for most downtrodden Zimbabweans.

There has been some improvement in people's lives. There is a difference in the sense that there is now food in the shops. When one has money one can obtain food but not every Zimbabwean can afford it. We are now operating the multi-currency system whereby we are using the US dollar, the South African rand and, in some parts of the country, the Botswanan pula.

Since the establishment of the inclusive Government we have realised there has been an improvement in hospitals. People are able to go to hospital to be treated. Children are back in schools. Teachers are still seeking a review of their salaries but at least they are back in the classroom. There has been an outcry over the examinations and their proximity to Christmas. I hope these matters will be sorted over time.

As a human rights defender, I am still concerned that although the principals behind the global political agreement acknowledged and committed themselves to dealing with politically motivated violence, we are still recording cases of such violence throughout the country. It was good that they were able to discourage violence in Article 18, which speaks to the security of peasants. It is, however, commendable that the global political agreement, through the principals, recognises that political violence in the run-up to the June 2008 elections broke relations between communities as brother fought brother and neighbour came face to face with neighbour.

The fragility and uncertainty of the inclusive Government have manifested themselves in the stagnation of processes that should have been started months ago. A good example is the constitutional process. The first stakeholders' conference on the constitution-making process was organised but it was disrupted on the first day by unruly hooligans. It resumed on the second day but the process has really been set back by two months. We are not sure whether the target set in the global political agreement will be met.

Earlier in the year, in the hope of building professional institutions, eligible Zimbabweans were invited to show their interest in the media, electoral, human rights and corruption commissions. The response was good and interviews for all the commissions were held. In keeping with maintaining a professional outlook, the interviews were held under the scrutiny of the public in Parliament. This is the first time Zimbabwe has been able to go through such a process. Interviews for the media commission were held in August. What is worrying us now is that, since then, while names have been submitted to the President, the commission has still not been appointed. We are really looking forward to reforms in the media sector so we can see more information being exchanged to which citizens have access.

It was a noble idea for the political leaders to come together in the inclusive Government but it lacks the sincerity and political will of all the parties involved. ZPP is witnessing the same mistrust in communities as supporters of the main political parties have not ceased to be at each other's throats. It is worrying that some communities dismiss the inclusive Government as an Harare affair or something that is not really serious. There have been cases of retributive violence where victims and survivors of violence have demanded previously looted properties from the perpetrators. In some cases, we have recorded that the victims of the violence of yesteryear have been identified as perpetrators. In some instances, they have been locked up by the police for demanding the return of their property.

It seems the decline or increase of political violence is determined by what is taking place in the inclusive Government. When the MDC-T, which is aligned to Mr. Morgan Tsvangirai, decided to disengage from meetings of the Cabinet and the Council of Ministers in October, ZPP noted a gradual increase in cases of violence and reports of villagers being threatened with unspecified action or being assaulted for commenting on the disengagement. These cases were quite common.

There has been some debate over how the constitution-making process is to proceed. ZANU-PF believes the Kariba draft is the document that needs to be used, although in civil society we believe people need to be given a choice of a number of documents and of best practice documents associated with other constitutions. We have heard of people being threatened with harassment or intimidation. They are being told that if they do not accept the use of the Kariba draft, they will see what is to happen to them. It is quite common for people to be reminded of what happened in the run-up to the elections on 27 June 2008.

Civil society is still concerned about continuing harassment by state institutions, with unending arrests. Of late, we noted the arrests of the leaders of the umbrella body of NGOs after they held a directors' summer school in the resort town of Victoria Falls. We also noted the arrest of officers from the Zimbabwe Election Support Network, who were conducting workshops in the province of Matabeleland North. We also noted the arrest of Mr. Lovemore Matombo of the Zimbabwe Congress of Trade Unions. Other officials from that organisation were arrested using the same legislation, the Public Order and Security Act. Members must have heard that when Mr. Matombo was released, the magistrate lashed out at police stating the Act did not apply to the meetings held by Mr. Matombo's organisation since they were with affiliates throughout the country.

I have elaborated on what Ireland did for me. However, there are still cries coming from human rights defenders and the generality of citizens in Zimbabwe, who still yearn to be assisted. Many communities have accessed assistance through civil society when they are represented in court and they also receive humanitarian assistance. Without funding it will be very difficult for civil society to be able to operate.

We made a contribution to the global political agreement on civil society. Much of what is acknowledged and recognised in that document is what we have been yearning for, such as a constitution-making process, the cessation of political violence and national healing.

On 28 September a landmark historic judgment was handed down in my case by the Zimbabwean Supreme Court. This is why I am able to attend the committee. Up until then I was not allowed to leave Zimbabwe as my passport was held. It is historic in that the Supreme Court recognised my rights had been violated. It unanimously concluded that "the Zimbabwean state, through its agents, violated the applicant's constitutional rights, protected under sections 13.1, 15.1 and 18.1". Those are my rights to liberty, to be protected by law and against torture, inhuman and degrading treatment. The court stated "these had been violated to an extent entitling the applicant to a permanent stay of criminal prosecution associated with the above violations."

While this was a first progressive step, we are still waiting for the Zimbabwean Government to rein in these violations so that we can return to the rule of law and ensure the professionalism of the institutions of the state so as not to see them used in perpetrating violence on behalf of a political party.

I will take part in tonight's vigil against cuts in Ireland's development aid budget and I hope it will drive the message home. Without that assistance, organisations such as the Zimbabwe Peace Project will not be able to work in communities and highlight the human rights abuses that have occurred. We need to continue to make the necessary noises in this regard. The committee has recognised the organisation has already made an impact and that we do not want to disappear into thin air. Without resources, there is no way we can maintain the network of monitors, a point commented on by my interrogators when I was arrested.

One of my interrogators also told me I must run an efficient organisation. I was taken aback because I did not know what was happening on the outside. When I asked for an explanation, he informed me that my organisation was not only known in Zimbabwe but throughout the world. We want that momentum to carry on for all organisations in Zimbabwe working for the voiceless.

I had an advantage in that I had a public profile but there are many other men, women and children who do not have and require people like me to speak on their behalf. If the aid is cut, we will not be able to get a platform to speak about the situation in Zimbabwe.

I have spoken about the glimmer of hope in the country. There is a need for us to consolidate our gains and that will take much work. I thank the committee for standing beside me and not being ashamed of being associated with me. The Irish ambassador to South Africa, Mr. Colin Rafter, told me he had been asked by the Zimbabwean Government what Ireland's interest was in my case. It makes me proud that I have friends here and all over the world.

I thank Ms Mukoko for her contribution. I call on Mr. Seamus Collins, programme manager for Trócaire in Zimbabwe. He and Ms Mala Roche were very helpful to the committee keeping it informed of developments, as did the ambassador, Mr. Colin Rafter.

Mr. Seamus Collins

I cannot hope to speak with the same eloquence of Jestina Mukoko. It is indeed humbling to sit beside someone who has put her life on the line for the cause of human rights. It is also a stark reminder when she says she was one of the lucky ones because she had access to international organisations which were quickly able to mobilise resources in her defence. They were able to raise the case's profile sufficiently well at international level to make the Zimbabwean authorities pause in their pursuit of the denial of her constitutional rights. There are many others in Zimbabwe who were not lucky enough, if "lucky" is the right term to describe someone who was abducted from her home at 5 a.m.

The Zimbabwe Peace Project is a simple idea and not a complex development for human rights intervention. It simply networks 420 monitors of human rights observers across the country to one office in Harare. This explains how Ms Mukoko gets such accurate information.

Since the time earlier in the year when Jestina Mukoko was incarcerated, Zimbabwe has moved off the centre of the international stage. Millions are still experiencing hardship with approximately 2.8 million people in need of humanitarian assistance between now and the April 2010 harvest. It is vital that humanitarian access, denied for some time by the Zanu-PF Government, be kept open. Political uncertainty is serving only to exacerbate the hardship. Pressure must be brought to bear through appropriate channels to ensure a lasting solution is found, implemented and supported. A lasting solution will take a long time to bed down. It will be a long road back for the people of Zimbabwe. The economy needs to recover, in which regard some hopeful signs can be seen. Good governance and respect for the rule of law needs to be re-established and, crucially, trust in the institutions of the state must be restored. For the time being, Zimbabwe has stepped back from the brink but it is still worryingly close to the precipice.

I apologise for interrupting the debate but a vote is taking place in the Seanad. I pay tribute to Ms Mukoko for her inspirational and informative presentation. It is amazing that she has come away with a completely intact spirit. I wish her all the best for the future and thank her for meeting us.

I too must leave due to the vote but I would like to hear the witnesses' opinion of South Africa's role in the current situation. I regarded its quiet diplomacy policy as all too quiet and ineffective.

I thank Ms Mukoko and Mr. Collins for articulating their experiences and views of the situation in Zimbabwe, and commend their organisations on the excellent work they do in that country. Other organisations in Ireland, such as AWEPA, have helped to highlight Ms Mukoko's captivity and contributed in a small way to securing her release.

I have a number of questions for the witnesses. Is Zimbabwe's removal from centre stage warranted by improvements or have events elsewhere superseded its importance? Ms Mukoko stated that the inclusive Government lacks the sincerity and political will of all parties. Would she argue that both parties to the Government are equal in their insincerity? Has the cholera epidemic abated and what measures are being taken to address that issue? How many human rights activists are being held in captivity at present in Zimbabwe? What impact is the use of foreign currency having on the country's economy?

I join with others in welcoming Ms Mukoko and pay tribute to those who drew attention to her case. Ms Mukoko and Mr. Collins have made valuable, if depressing, presentations on the present situation in Zimbabwe. It is clear that 2.8 million people will need food assistance over the coming four months. The cuts that have been made to our overseas aid programme seriously impact on the rights to food, survival and development, as well as on the organisations which have consistently worked on these issues. Several of us have put our names to a letter to The Irish Times which called for an end to cuts in this area. Ireland has given just short of €34 million in aid to Zimbabwe over the past three years, comprising €9.6 million for civil society organisations, €15 million for emergency and recovery, and €9 million for HIV-AIDS. Anyone who is interested in Africa would be distressed by HIV infection rates of more than 15%. In certain countries, such as Lesotho, the rate exceeds 25%. These are life statistics.

I am somewhat concerned about the absence of a framework for our discussion of the bigger issues. Land issues were already being contested when Zimbabwe was still known as Rhodesia. The idea that 4,000 landowners should possess 11 million hectares and that 1 million Africans would have 16 million hectares has long been challenged. It is unsatisfactory that the unresolved land issues which were at the heart of the decolonisation movement are sometimes left aside in recent commentary on Zimbabwe, although I appreciate that attention has focused on hunger and human rights abuses. However, the issue of land has been pushed so far into the background that we cannot see it at all. Land will become the central issue in neighbouring countries over the coming decade. Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States and Saudi Arabia are purchasing tens of thousands of hectares of African land in response to the global food shortage, with the inevitable effect of dislodging primarily female producers.

The best way of responding to presentations on human rights is to investigate the context and how we can get from here to there. The literature which makes loose use of terms such as "governance" reveals an ignorance of patterns of governance in Africa which in many cases are the result of late colonial modernist impositions. The horrific level of corruption which continues to exist in Zimbabwe is the result of a partnership between Western countries and Zimbabwean elites. The greatest robbery in Nigeria between 1995 and 2000 was facilitated by the 24 London banks into which €1.4 billion was lodged by the dictator who called himself a general. Corruption is two sided and involves Western institutions as well as local actors.

I strongly support the Zimbabwe peace project but if we are to get to grips with the issues we must recognise the role played by land. There is no point in denying the failure to complete the Lancaster House agreement, for example. The more poorly informed media in Ireland tend to suggest that Africa is a conflict-prone continent while ignoring the structural issues. I would like NGOs to address the issue of resource-based conflict in order to develop comprehensive responses.

I mentioned the long history of colonisation and exploitation.

I thank Ms Mukoko for coming here today and keeping us informed on the human rights situation in Zimbabwe. I remember well the engagement this committee had when Ms Mukoko was abducted and the efforts that were made to try and bring about her release. I paid a brief visit to Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe in the 1990s. A few years later I visited the falls again on the Zambian side, but I did not cross into Zimbabwe because of the serious situation where fields had been burnt and so on. It was a tragic situation.

Our view is that responsibility for safeguarding human rights comes from the top. Ireland is far from Zimbabwe. Therefore, all we can do is support and help SADC countries to try and ensure good governance is put in place. The SADC countries are best placed to ensure that, but we will support them in any way we can. It is good to be kept up to date on what is going on as this renews our interest in human rights in Zimbabwe. We would be delighted to do whatever we can to assist in this regard.

I welcome Ms Mukoko to the committee and acknowledge her courage. I am one of those Members of the Oireachtas whom Ms Mukoko never met, but who tabled questions to our Minister for Foreign Affairs about her situation so as to help highlight here and internationally what was happening when she was incarcerated. I am happy to see her here with us again today.

Deputy Higgins and I seem to disagree on all sorts of issues regularly at this committee. What has befallen Zimbabwe is a terrible tragedy, but we should not fall into the trap of blaming fate and what is happening to people who live there on the decades of colonisation. While these may have laid a foundation for problems, the extent to which Mugabe and his cronies have destroyed the country, terrorised people and destroyed the economy cannot be blamed on Britain. Perhaps I am being unfair to Deputy Higgins to suggest he blamed Britain, but I agree it is important that we see the difficulties of Zimbabwe in an historical context.

Deputy Ardagh was right, this committee has a great penchant to discuss problems of countries across the world although we have limited capacity to be of assistance in resolving the problems beyond the contributions we make by way of aid. However, even in the context of aid and whatever we provide in the coming years, we cannot and will not solve the problems of Zimbabwe. It is clear that Zimbabwe needs political structures that work. The attempts made to provide a cross-party Government may have produced some slight changes, as outlined by Ms Mukoko, but many of the fundamental problems still exist. Mr. Mugabe seems to be still in charge and still has the capacity to terrorise the population. The great tragedy of Zimbabwe is it has the capacity, were the agricultural sector revived and the economy properly reorganised, to not only feed itself but to feed other countries in Africa.

Human rights are a crucial issue. Those rights are not only about ensuring that extraordinary, courageous people like Ms Mukoko have the freedom to say and do what is right and to intervene to protect people, but that people's political rights to change the Government are acknowledged so that ultimately Zimbabwe will have a Government that will put in place a macro-economic policy that gives Zimbabweans some hope. Looking at the situation from here I remain pessimistic, despite the changes Ms Mukoko has outlined and despite the courts releasing Ms Mukoko in circumstances where she should never have been incarcerated.

The question raised by Senator Daly is important. Within Africa, particularly South Africa which has some influence in Zimbabwe, leaders who showed courage in bringing about independence and freedom in their own countries have been far too slow to be critical of President Mugabe. I do not know whether they could genuinely exercise more influence that would produce change. It may be that no matter what they do or say, nothing will change. In so far as Ms Mukoko feels free to comment on this, I would be interested in her perspective and insight into what may happen politically over the next couple of years. At this stage President Mugabe should no longer be in government. Zimbabwe should have had a new Government by now that should have been given the opportunity to rebuild the country. The way things have been developing in recent weeks is more a cause for pessimism than optimism. I would be very happy if Ms Mukoko could tell me I am wrong about this.

Ireland is a small country that is part of Europe, but our strength is that we are part of the European Union, which is supposed to co-ordinate better in the area of foreign policy in the months to come. Europe has taken a fairly co-ordinated view on Zimbabwe in international fora. However, is there something Ms Mukoko believes we should do — beyond the simple issue of aid — at international level as a member state of the European Union to try and bring about real change in Zimbabwe? Is there something Ireland should do to influence real change so there is a genuine change of Government to a Government that has the capacity to tackle the overwhelming economic calamity that afflicts the Zimbabwean people?

Before I call on Ms Mukoko to respond on some of the issues raised, I would like to mention that Ms Tendai Madondo, Ms Mukoko's good friend, was with us earlier and that she kept us up to date on Ms Mukoko's case. We would like to thank her for that. What is the situation with regard to Mr. Roy Bennett? He was taken into custody the same time as Ms Mukoko and released at approximately the same time. However, he was taken into custody again and has, apparently, been charged with treason. Has Ms Mukoko any information on his situation? He appeared here a few years ago.

Ms Jestina Mukoko

I thank committee members for their comments. I will try to respond to some of the questions posed and hope I cover all the issues. I thank Deputy Timmins for commending the ZPP on its work. The Deputy asked about my comment on the insincerity of the parties involved in the inclusive Government. With regard to the sincerity and political will to see through the global political agreement, GPA, in spirit, we are concerned that while Morgan Tsvangirai's MDC made a number of promises to people, it is not applying as much pressure as we would have wanted to make the agreement work. The inclusive Government is now in operation for nine months, if not ten or 11, but we still do not have media reform.

It is still uncertain which way we will proceed with regard to the constitution-making process. Probably the biggest problem that existed was associated with trust in the arrangement. A few months ago, the Prime Minister visited a number of countries in Europe and drew a picture of the inclusive Government that suggested everything was fine. At the time, my case and those of other activists were being thrown left, right and centre. I was re-incarcerated in May when I was indicted by the High Court. I had to return to Chikurubi maximum security prison. I am still convinced the Government can do a lot more.

I am concerned that ZANU-PF does not recognise the other partners to the arrangement as equals. It considers itself to be the senior partner. People are quick to forget that the arrangement in the inclusive Government is a result of a flawed electoral process. If there had been an outright winner in the elections, we probably would not have an inclusive Government.

I was asked about the cholera epidemic. Before I and others were sent to Chikurubi maximum security prison, we were taken to Harare central prison. We were afraid because the place had just been sprayed because of the epidemic and inmates were dying in their dozens. I am sure the situation has been controlled through the influence of organisations such as the International Red Cross, which intervened to provide clean water and food for those who were starved in the prisons. As the cholera affected many prisons, we feared we would also be victims of the epidemic.

There has been talk to the effect that there are further outbreaks of cholera in some parts of the country but I would like to believe that, in general, it is under control. There may be outbreaks but they are not as widespread as earlier in the year. The epidemic wreaked havoc in January or February.

The use of foreign currency has brought some stability to the economy and at least people can plan and budget. When we were using the Zimbabwean dollar, it was even difficult for NGOs to budget. Before the ink dried on the budget one was working on, the value of the money had changed. The problem is that not everybody can gain access to foreign currency. There are ways of obtaining it but it has been quite difficult. This is why I stated teachers are yearning for a review of their salaries. They still feel they are being underpaid. At least the use of foreign currency has brought some sanity to the economy. When the Zimbabwean dollar was still being used last year, it changed its value against the US dollar approximately four times per day. One kicked oneself if one discovered a person who had changed money an hour or two later than one had two more zeros added to the value of what they put in their pocket. It was very difficult for us to operate in that kind of economy.

I did not touch on the issue of land, as raised by Deputy Higgins. It is not an issue that has disappeared. There were renewed land invasions in 2009. These issues have also been brought to the fore because of the problems farm workers continue to face. Zimbabweans act like they do not know why the liberation struggle was fought; it was all because of land. We would appreciate it if the land were distributed in a way that would satisfy the majority of the people. At present, many people are waiting for the start of a land audit because it has been realised that, although 4,000 whites owned 80% of the land, we just replaced them with a small number of blacks who own the majority of the fertile land at the expense of the majority of the people. These matters still need to be examined. I understand the Government is saying it is committed to the land audit but it remains to be seen how it will operate. Other audits have been shoved in cupboards and we hope that if the one in question proceeds, this will not happen to it.

Deputy Shatter asked whether there was any other way in which countries such as Ireland could assist Zimbabwe. The issue on the table at present, which is quite significant vis-à-vis the EU, is that of sanctions. For the majority, the information on targeted sanctions is not known. What is known is that European countries have imposed illegal economic sanctions on Zimbabwe.

I am optimistic the team sent by the South African President, Jacob Zuma, to Zimbabwe to see to it that the global political agreement is followed to the letter will work. If it does, we hope European countries will not set conditions but lift the sanctions in a phased manner. For example, if media reforms were introduced, then Europe may consider removing some sanctions. If it is phased it will take several years to see it through.

We hope the referendum associated with the constitution-making process will happen towards the end of 2010 or early 2011. Elections will happen 24 months after the referendum which will be at the end of the current terms for Parliament and President. We hope this window will be utilised in bringing all the reforms that might bring about a changed Zimbabwe. We hope that in the future Zimbabwe will reclaim its position as the bread basket of southern Africa and be the prosperous country we used to know.

I have not gone to Mr. Roy Bennett's trial which started in October. It was to begin in the magistrate's court in the eastern town of Mutare. However, when the parties first attended court all had changed. The Attorney General's office requested the case be transferred to the High Court. This meant Mr. Bennett had to be recommitted to prison for 48 hours. Then his bail was reinstituted and the trial started on 9 November. Witnesses have been called and issues raised by both the defence and Attorney General's office. The case has been suspended until the High Court re-opens next year.

Is he still out on bail?

Ms Jestina Mukoko

Yes. He requested his bail conditions be relaxed but that application was thrown out. He is still on his original bail conditions until the trial resumes at the beginning of next year.

I thank Ms Mukoko for attending the committee. The committee will continue to monitor the situation in Zimbabwe and support the humanitarian and human rights defenders' work there, work with which Trócaire is deeply involved. I ask that Ms Mukoko stay in contact with the committee and let us know if there are any issues which it should raise.

After all that happened earlier, it was wonderful to see Ms Mukoko back in Ireland and to observe her spirit. On several occasions she referred to spirit. Spirit can prevail over problems. I wish her well in her work and we wish Zimbabwe well in its redevelopment.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.50 p.m. and adjourned at 5 p.m. until 11.30 a.m. on Thursday, 17 December 2009.
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