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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE debate -
Wednesday, 25 Jan 2012

Situation in Haiti: Discussion

This is Haiti week and we will discuss the situation in Haiti with representatives from Haven, Plan Ireland, Concern Worldwide, Habitat for Humanity, Goal, Soul of Haiti, UNICEF and Oxfam. It is two years since the disaster.

It is a great pleasure to see the large number of witnesses. Let me introduce the delegations to members. The chief executive of Haven, Ms Anne Maguire is very much behind the concept of Haiti week, for which I compliment her. Mr. David Dalton is the chief executive of Plan Ireland. Ms Brid Kennedy is the regional director of Concern Worldwide. Ms Karen Kennedy is the chief executive of Habitat for Humanity Ireland. Ms Geraldine McHugh is representing GOAL. Mr. Damian Meaney is the country director of Soul of Haiti. Mr. Kieran O'Brien is representing UNICEF and Ms Ciara Gaynor is the policy and advocacy co-ordinator for Oxfam Ireland. I welcome them to the meeting

Members will be aware that earlier this month, we marked the second anniversary of the devastating earthquake in Haiti which killed more than 230,000 people and left 1.6 million people displaced or homeless. Haiti is the poorest country of the Americas, with 80% of the population living in poverty of whom 54% live in abject poverty. The task of recovery and the development of Haiti is enormous. I warmly welcome the initiative taken by Haven and the other organisations present today to refocus our attention on Haiti. There are no quick solutions to the problems in Haiti and it is important that we share this message with the international community. I know that President Michel Martelly of Haiti will mark Haiti week during his visit to Ireland at the end of the week. It is unfortunate that he could not be here today but he has a very busy schedule. This demonstrates the importance of Ireland's support for Haiti.

Before I invite the delegations to address the meeting, I wish to advise them that witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their contribution to this committee. If they are directed by the committee to cease making remarks on a particular matter and continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of the remarks. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and they are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against a member of either House of the Oireachtas, a person outside the Houses or an official, by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I understand Ms Maguire will speak on behalf of the group but there will be an opportunity for the other delegates to speak when responding to questions.

Ms Anne Maguire

On behalf of Haven and all the charities present, I thank the Chairman, Deputy Pat Breen and members, for giving us the opportunity to discuss the situation in Haiti.

I will give a brief outline of Haiti's past and then outline the problems and solutions to the current situation. I will speak on Irish involvement and our focus on Haiti week. I will not mention the programmes of the individual charities because each delegation will have an opportunity to discuss its role during the question and answer session.

Back in the 17th and 18th centuries Haiti was known as the jewel of the crown. It was one of the wealthiest colonies and was the place to go in the Caribbean. It exported 50% of the world's coffee and 33% of the world's sugar when it was under French rule. Unfortunately Haiti was a victim of slavery and up to 40,000 slaves were sent from Africa each week. Under the leadership of Toussaint Louverture, the Haitians revolted against the slavery system and was the first republic to gain independence in 1804. This was a significant achievement at this early stage.

Having gained independence, Haiti was boycotted by the US because it did not recognise slaves. A number of dictators ruled the country before the US military occupation from 1915 to 1934. A number of natural disasters drove the country into the ground. Today Haiti has a population of 9 million but it is only the size of Munster. It is extremely poor and was so before the earthquake. Then the average person lived on $1 to $2 a day, with one in four being malnourished. More than 70% were unemployed.

The reason we are making a presentation today is to mark the second anniversary of the earthquake, which took place two years ago last week. In 2010, 230,000 died in 35 seconds, including 42,000 children, leaving 1.2 million homeless. These are horrendous statistics. The impact of this destruction can be seen on the streets of Port-au-Prince.

I arrived in Port-au-Prince a few days after the earthquake. I have worked in this sector for 15 years and have never seen anything like the despair, destruction and sadness on the streets. It was harrowing. It also shocked and surprised me that within a week the traders were up trading again. This shows the resilience and determination of the people. The painters were out painting. Everybody who has ever been to Port-au-Prince will notice the vibrant colours of the art displayed on every street corner. It is ironic how beautiful and colourful this is. For a country with high levels of illiteracy it is amazing to see canvass being used to express emotions and to document events.

The response of the agencies to the disaster was fantastic. There was great co-ordination between them and in a short period, many lives were saved and suffering was alleviated. People from all over the world, including half of US households, donated money or sent people to help in Haiti. The Irish were outstanding in pledging money and sending people to support Haiti. Pledges of money, up to many billions, were made but less than 40% of it was committed and seen on the ground. We have to concentrate on the positive aspects. It is only two years later. Of the 1.2 million people who were homeless, 500,000 of those now have a place in which to live. The amount of rubble was once described to me as being the size of a highway between Port-au-Prince and Los Angeles and half of this rubble has been cleared. Many lives were saved and suffering alleviated by the work of the agencies. Some Haitians say their lives are better since the international community turned its attention to Haiti. Unfortunately, this does not resonate for most Haitians and there are many problems in Haiti today. There is the general problem of the 800 camps still in use. More than 500,000 people live in these camps. Families are living under plastic sheeting, enduring 40O C heat or torrential rain. They have no access to sanitation, no showers and a sewer running through. We would not put a dog or a cat to live in these conditions.

More than 50% of the population does not have access to health care. Almost 4,000 schools were destroyed and to date, only 636 schools have been rebuilt. Of a total population of 9 million, half are under the age of 18 years, half have never been to primary school while fewer than 20% attend secondary school. There are also the macro-problems of land tenure. There is a significant dysfunctional system of land tenure and it is very difficult to acquire land. We have gone through the process of trying to acquire land, we have procured the necessary documents and visited the ministry for finance, the lawyers have signed the papers but when one begins to work on the project, three other people turn up with the very same documents. This is very time-consuming and very frustrating. There are problems with importing goods. There is currently up to a six-week delay on importing goods for humanitarian work. Furthermore, the custom officials have been known to charge hefty fees on any goods coming into the country even when they are for the use of non-governmental organisations, NGOs.

These problems are very significant but with the help of the charities and the help of the international community and the Irish Government, these problems can be resolved. There is a great Irish involvement in Haiti and many links have been forged between the two countries. I refer to investment, humanitarian involvement and aid links. The charities attending the meeting today do incredible work. Digicel, owned by Denis O'Brien, employs 900 people directly and 70,000 indirectly in Haiti. The Java Republic coffee company set up a relationship with Haitian coffee suppliers. The Country Crest food company has a model farm in Haiti. These companies are providing essential employment in Haiti. I refer also to absolute gems such as Ms Gina Heraty who has been working in Haiti for the past 18 years, working with disabled children up in Kenscoff. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I think Haiti has a really special place in the hearts of Irish people.

The solutions are varied and widespread but many of the charities at this meeting are already addressing the issues I highlighted, whether in the areas of education, health, water and sanitation or shelter. We are here today to ask the Government to come on board with the charities and to commit longer term funding to this country which is the poorest country in the western hemisphere.

We want to fly the flag for Haiti and keep it in the public eye. This is the aim of Haiti Week, bringing together the business, music and arts community and leading Irish NGOs to raise awareness of Haiti and to raise funds. Mr. Bill Clinton came to Dublin to launch this event last October. Several events have been organised this week, including art and photographic exhibitions, an event called Host at Home for Haiti with people cooking Haitian recipes and inviting friends to dinner, concerts, a fund-raising ball and as the Chairman mentioned, President Martelly and ministers are coming from Haiti this Friday. Haiti was in the news following the earthquake and it was on all the television screens but then it vanished from view. It became a forgotten country again. It is up to us who are here today to continue flying the flag for Haiti.

The poverty and the destruction made Port-au-Prince a very despairing place to visit but this is without taking into account the resilience of people and the magnificence of the beautiful countryside. These give me hope for a better future for Haiti. It is important that Ireland should be part of this future. I hope our efforts here today and the committee's understanding of the situation in Haiti will help push this struggling country on to the long-term map for Irish aid.

I thank Ms Maguire for an excellent presentation. It was important to hear a first-hand account of the situation. For the information of members, Ireland pledged funding of €13 million for the period 2010 to 2012 at the Haiti donor conference in New York in March 2010. To date, €11.25 million has been committed and it is intended the entire pledge will be met by early 2012.

I congratulate Ms Anne Maguire and her fellow delegates for her opening contribution. In the aftermath of a disaster such as befell Haiti, there is need for a humanitarian response. Invariably, for some unknown reason, this wanes with the passage of time and in more recent times it seems to erode very rapidly. Ms Maguire has brought to our attention once again the necessity for the world-wide community to recognise that the problem still remains in Haiti. In fact, it has had a problem for many centuries and there is a current problem that needs to be dealt with. The international community has a responsibility in this regard. Like the Chairman, I compliment the Irish authorities and the Minister and Minister of State for their involvement and commitment. I also include the previous Administration.

I recently asked the Minister how much of the promise had been delivered and we know the answer to that question. In Ms Maguire's opinion, what should we do now to be of tangible assistance to the aid agencies to ensure that the commitments made in the aftermath of the earthquake - such as they were made in the emotive atmosphere that followed - can be followed through? How can we continue to encourage those who made those commitments to deliver them?

I compliment people such as Mr. Denis O'Brien who has investments in Haiti and who give employment. To what other extent can Ms Maguire point us in the direction whereby we might be able to convince other business people to involve themselves in Haiti? China is not the only country which can provide a lucrative return for investors and other locations should be considered which are nearer home and which obviously deserve support.

I join in the compliments to Ms Anne Maguire as she made an extraordinarily eloquent presentation. The people of Haiti have an excellent ambassador in her and in her colleagues. She spoke without referring very often to her notes and it is obvious she spoke from the heart. She has had a direct personal experience. I have not been to Haiti but I have been to the other part of the island which is the Dominican Republic. I am aware of the situation, as are we all and we are very glad of the work being done by people such as Mr. Denis O'Brien and Digicel. Ms Maguire answered some of the questions I proposed to ask. One was the proportion of money paid up by the nations who pledged support. After every single disaster we see international politicians standing in front of television cameras announcing what they will do. Unfortunately, they do not always do as they say. In this instance, Ms Maguire indicated that only 40% of the pledges given to Haiti in the aftermath of he earthquake have come through. That is a disgrace. What happened to the other 60%? There should be a roll of shame of the nations in question. I do not know whether it is possible for the delegates to provide us with the names of the countries that have defaulted. They should be called to account and the international community should know that these governments put themselves forward, making promises for their own political advantage, only to renege on their commitments. They should be named and shamed. Any country which makes a pledge should be absolutely held to it. I realise it may not be possible for diplomatic reasons to name those which defaulted. Having said that, I got the names of most of the Anglo Irish Bank bondholders onto the record of Seanad Éireann this week before the Cathaoirleach almost broke the gavel. There must be accountability in terms of promises made.

I recall a discussion at a meeting of the last committee about the tensions - almost territorial tensions - that apparently existed between some of the various relief groups operating in Haiti in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake. These disagreements were not maliciously motivated. Rather, they were the perhaps inevitable problems that arose in a situation where different organisations were responding immediately to an unparalleled disaster in a small country. It is wonderful that the delegates from the different organisations are together here today. I am not sure whether there are any rivalries between them; perhaps not. Will they outline the degree of co-ordination and co-operation between them? Is that sense of territorialism and duplication still an issue in Haiti?

I am very interested in the issues of land tenure, disputed ownership, multiple ownership and so on. It horrifies me that the delegates say - I absolutely accept it is the case - that they go through all the hoops, obtain all the documents and complete all the legal work, before finding that two other people have turned up with the same. Again, this is an issue of accountability. Is it a symptom of corruption within the system in Haiti? How does it arise that officials of Government and lawyers can sign off on documents in such circumstances?

These are the types of questions we should be putting to the new Haitian President when he comes to Dublin. As I understand it, he is a man of considerable wealth. I do not know whether he is a person of good ability, but I wish him well if he is prepared to do some good. As a democratic country we should be asking the awkward questions rather than just being polite. For example, how will the system, which the President oversees, be reformed to allow aid organisations to acquire land with the intention of doing good for his citizens?

I could say a great deal more but I will refrain from monopolising the delegates' time. I am very pleased they mentioned Gina Herrity. There was another woman whose name I cannot recall, a doctor-----

Ms Anne Maguire

Louise Ivers.

Yes, Dr. Louise Ivers. Their work was shown in an absolutely wonderful and inspiring television documentary which was made before the earthquake. Perhaps RTE could be encouraged to make another such programme to keep the issue alive. It is a dreadful story but one which incorporates elements of human inspiration. People like Ms Maguire, who speaks so eloquently on behalf of the people of Haiti, can keep it alive.

What has happened in that country is a crime of colonialism. I was not aware of the wealth of Haiti before it secured its freedom. What a wonderful blow it was against colonialism to establish the first black republic, only for the people to be subsequently persecuted by the Americans. I remember the business about the French and I understand - Ms Maguire will correct me if I am wrong - that it was not until the 1940s that those payments were terminated.

Ms Anne Maguire

It was in 1937.

That is a blot on the reputation of France. As such, there is a heavy onus on that country to get stuck into the relief effort, and I hope it will. I thank Ms Maguire for her moving presentation.

I thank Senator Norris. He will agree that we are keeping the issue alive by having this meeting. It is important to bear in mind that it is a mere two years since the devastating earthquake. Does Ms Maguire wish to respond to the Senator's points?

Ms Anne Maguire

My colleague, Ms Brid Kennedy, regional director of Concern Worldwide, might address the first question regarding the Government's role, after which Mr. Damien Meaney, country director of Soul of Haiti, will talk about how we can get other Irish businesses involved.

Ms Brid Kennedy

Senator Norris asked what more the Government can do. While we greatly appreciate the commitment of €13 million in recent years, we call on the Government to increase that commitment. In particular, we are asking for a multi-annual undertaking. Many of the problems in Haiti will, as the Chairman rightly observed, take years to resolve. Moreover, the country is prone to emergencies, with its geographical location making it particularly vulnerable to hurricanes. In addition, there is a history of occasional civil conflict. Money should be made available on a multi-annual basis so that when an emergency arises, such as a hurricane, we can respond immediately and prevent people from slipping back into dire straits. That is our firm request to the Government, through the committee.

Mr. Damien Meaney

Haiti is a fantastic country. A great deal of the work we do there is supporting businesses, trying to get people back into employment and encouraging investment in trade between Ireland and Haiti. I refer in the document I submitted to Java Republic, an Irish company which is supporting farmers in Haiti by purchasing the local coffee. Anyone who has had the opportunity to taste Haitian coffee will know it is a superb product. The country has a long tradition of agriculture and crop production, including mango, cocoa, coffee and many others.

We have brought company representatives to Haiti to show them what is available and the opportunities that exist there, not just in agriculture but also in manufacturing. The people are very eager to get back to work. As well as pledging donations, sustainability is a huge part of all the programmes in Haiti. We are concerned with the long term, not just the quick fix. In encouraging businesses to invest in and develop projects, the objective is to create employment, generate money in the economy and help people to support themselves and return to their homes. The Haitian people want to be self-sufficient, put their children through school and be able to feed their families. They want work, not handouts.

There are opportunities in Haiti for Irish businesses. Nor is it all about investment. What is just as important is support, education and training. Haitian people are crying out for expertise to assist them in developing farming, retailing their products and getting them into the European and Irish markets. We welcome any support we can obtain from the Government to engage with companies and put the word out that Haiti is open for business and has many opportunities to offer.

Ms Anne Maguire

Perhaps Mr. Meaney will talk about Friday's forum which is being hosted by Ernst & Young.

Mr. Damien Meaney

Yes. The purpose of this business forum is to give Irish entrepreneurs some history on Haiti and explain the opportunities that exist. We will explain how organisations such as Country Crest have taken the opportunity to go down there and invest. Any such investment takes time and commitment. What we want to do on Friday morning is to engage as many businesses as possible. Even if they are not in a position to invest, we will explain that their expertise in regard to training and education is also required. For example, a Haitian person who is producing an art and design product will need support in learning how to draw up a business plan, get the product to market and so on. Some of these people cannot read or write and do not know how to price their products. There are many opportunities for businesses in education, training and support, as well as in investment.

Ms Anne Maguire

On Senator Norris's question, perhaps Ms Gaynor, who is Oxfam's advocacy co-ordinator, might be in a position to indicate whether there is a possibility of identifying the countries which pledged money to Haiti. She might also inform the committee as to how we might go about lobbying those countries and whether the Government might be able to help in that regard.

Ms Clara Gaynor

I do not have the information to hand but I am sure it would be possible to discover which countries pledged money but have not actually disbursed it. It is perhaps worth noting that an interim recovery commission has been in operation in Haiti for several months. The commission - the mandate of which expired last October - was responsible for overseeing reconstruction and developing strategic plans relating to it. The new President has not yet decided whether to renew the commission's mandate or to establish a new Haitian body to oversee the reconstruction work. In view of the degree of uncertainty, this has resulted in unwillingness on the part of donors to pledge further money. That is not to say that it is any less important that they pledge money, particularly in light of the impetus this creates. We want them to disburse the funds pledged but they are not doing so because the mandate of national agency responsible for leading the reconstruction of Haiti has expired. Clarity in respect of this matter is expected. It is only fair to mention this when we are-----

What was the origin of the mandate? Did it come from the Haitian Government or the international community?

Ms Brid Kennedy

It came from the international community, which supported the Government of Haiti. Following the earthquake, something of the order of 65% of the Government's buildings had been destroyed and many of its staff had been lost. As a result, everything was in an extremely fragile state. The international community, therefore, encouraged the Government to establish this interim commission.

So in legal terms the mandate came from the Haitian Government.

Ms Brid Kennedy

That is right.

If one links that fact with the difficulties relating to land, then one can see that the problem is more sophisticated than simple.

Ms Anne Maguire

Mr. Dalton, who is CEO of Plan Ireland, might comment on the co-ordination among the agencies operating on the ground and outline some of the questions which might be put to President Martelly when he visits Ireland next week.

Mr. David Dalton

There has been some legitimate criticism of NGOs in the past in the context of emergency co-ordination. However, this instance was a good example of how matters have moved on. UNOCHA now co-ordinates the different NGOs, which are divided into their different areas of expertise. Some ten or 15 different pledges are still working in Haiti at present. Plan Ireland is involved in six areas, namely, water and sanitation, health, nutrition, protection and gender-based violence. The groups are working together and many of them would have had a presence in Haiti before the earthquake. That would happen in many other countries as well. There is ongoing and better co-ordination within the NGO community.

I will comment on education and President Martelly. Before the earthquake, 85% of the schools in Haiti were private schools. As Ms Maguire stated, people in the country live on $1 or $2 per day and in such circumstances it is very difficult to access such schools. As a result, only 50% of children attend primary school and among these there is a huge drop-out rate. Not many children go beyond grade 5 and only 20% of them attend secondary school. Obviously, this gives rise to long-term problems in the context of adult literacy and that impacts on business and in respect of attracting foreign direct investment. Plan Ireland would like to see a great deal more investment in education so that it might act as a long-term panacea for Haiti.

I welcome our guests. They are obviously pleading with us to have additional funding provided in respect of their projects. We have pledged €13 million and almost all of that has been spent. Irish Aid specified targeted areas in which this money should be spent, including in respect of the protection of women and children and in other areas. If we have honoured our commitment in the context of emergency funding, how will that impact on the work being carried out. When all of the money is finally spent, will any of the projects be left in suspended animation or will it be possible for the organisations which our guests represent to continue to fund them? I accept that my point may be very convoluted.

Ms Anne Maguire

I understand what the Deputy is saying.

Let us call a spade a spade. Everyone here would supports alleviating poverty in Haiti. We often find ourselves in a predicament in the context of which of the world's poorest people we should support. I refer, for example, to those who live in the Horn of Africa, Ethiopia, Somalia or wherever. Our guests are requesting that the Government should continue to provide funding. If that funding does not prove to be forthcoming, will all of the projects to which I refer just cease or do the organisations our guests represent have the resources to support them to continue.

I welcome our guests. I was interested in the question Senator Norris posed with regard to the contributions promised by certain members of the international community. Perhaps our guests might provide further information on that matter because that might present members with the opportunity to encourage the Oireachtas as a whole to communicate with the relevant bodies in respect of it. What sort of relationship do the organisations represented here have with Irish Aid. I am very familiar with Irish Aid's work in Africa but I have less knowledge of how it operates in Haiti. I appreciate that we are discussing an emergency funding contribution in this instance. However, does Irish Aid have an ongoing relationship with Haiti which is similar to those it has with various African states? If such a relationship does not exist, then that is surely a hindrance to medium and long-term planning with regard to the Irish involvement in Haiti. Have our guests engaged in discussions with Irish Aid in respect of future support for projects in which the NGOs they represent are involved in Haiti? As our guests are probably aware, Irish Aid is second only to the World Bank in the context of its effectiveness in providing aid to its designated countries. What are their views on the relationships that exist with Irish aid?

I welcome our guests and I thank Ms Maguire for her very fine presentation. One could not but be moved when one hears of the resilience of the people of Haiti despite the awful trauma they have experienced. It is good that the Government has honoured its commitments and that Ireland is not among those states, to which Senator Norris referred, which have not done so. It would be appropriate to identify the states which have not honoured the commitments they made.

In view of the fact that 500,000 people continue to live under canvas in the 800 camps to which Ms Maguire referred, what progress has been made with regard to getting these people into more permanent accommodation? What is the mortality rate among those living in the camps? Ms Maguire stated that 4,000 schools were either damaged or destroyed in the earthquake. In light of this, how is education being provided to children at present? What progress is being made to reconstruct and repair some of the damaged buildings?

I thank Senator Mullins. I wish to add a question. The witnesses are busy writing. Did the earthquake have an effect on the relationship between Haiti and the Dominican Republic, given that the latter is a far better off country than Haiti? Did people go over the border to get work and what help did the Dominican Republic give to Haiti?

Ms Anne Maguire

I will ask Ms McHugh from GOAL to respond to the first question. It related to cases where Irish Aid is giving us funds for a certain programme and if that ceases for whatever reason whether GOAL or any other organisation is strong enough to continue the programme without the assistance of Irish Aid.

Ms. Geraldine McHugh

A good example of how to respond to the question is to refer to the continued threat of cholera outbreaks in Haiti. Irish Aid has been very generous with its funding for the mitigation of cholera. We have submitted another proposal for continued funding from Irish Aid. We received notification this week that we hope to receive an additional €550,000 from the emergency humanitarian assistance fund, EHAV, for cholera mitigation activities. If our proposal is successful I hope that programme will continue into 2012. If it is not, it is very hard to imagine what will happen. The responsibility will be on GOAL to make funds available to continue our cholera mitigation activities.

In the past two years agencies such as the European Community Humanitarian Office ECHO and UNICEF have been very generous in the funding of cholera treatment and prevention activities but we have seen clearly in the past six months that the stream of emergency funding is coming to an end. Without funding from Irish Aid, and the €550,000 to which I referred, I do not think there is any hope of receiving funding for cholera mitigation from the likes of ECHO or any other emergency stream. The situation is quite bleak.

Ms Anne Maguire

One of the other agencies might wish to comment. The situation might differ from agency to agency depending on whether they are bigger and have more funding as opposed to smaller agencies that cannot continue. Does anyone else wish to contribute on the question?

Ms Brid Kennedy

The big difference is that Irish Aid funding makes up the balance because sometimes we have a €1 million programme and we might be able to get 60% of it funded from, for example, ECHO, but the difficulty then is to get the balance of the funding. In the past, Irish Aid has been a great support in helping complete the 100% picture of funding we require.

While the cholera epidemic has eased, if continued support is not given to ensure clean water provision and better sanitation facilities then the risk of a cholera outbreak increases. Already 6,000 lives have been lost and more than 500,000 people have been infected with it. The virulent bug is lying in wait and it requires much support to deal with it. It is one of the biggest threats currently.

As Plan Ireland has mentioned, it is crucial that Irish Aid would provide funding for education as that area must be supported if we are to get Haiti out of poverty. In the past, Irish Aid funding, in particular through the multi-annual programme, MAP, scheme for Concern has enabled us to support education programmes.

Haiti is predominantly an agricultural economy but much work and support has gone into helping people in Port-au-Prince in recent years since the earthquake in particular. However we must look at the whole economy and it is important to support the agriculture sector. As an organisation we would appreciate support for rural areas and helping farmers to get back on their feet.

Ms Anne Maguire

Moving on to the next question about the relationship of the charities with Irish Aid, the question might have been whether Haiti is a priority country in the same way as Uganda, East Timor or Vietnam.

It is a broad question.

Ms Anne Maguire

I know. The answer is that it is not a priority country. However, Irish Aid has been very generous to Haiti, especially since the emergency. What we would advocate is that it would become a priority country. In the 2010 White Paper it was suggested that Irish Aid would consider adding another priority country to the 13 existing countries. We hope that down the line Haiti will become that country. That is what we would advocate in the future. The Deputy is correct; one can only give so much funding when there are all those other countries as well that are so much in need. There is only so much funding that can be given in the short term. What we really need is a medium and longer term commitment to Haiti because its problems will not be solved overnight and they will not be solved by next year. We will be resolving the issues for the next ten years.

Ms Brid Kennedy

To add to that, we are calling on the Government to increase support directly but also for it to lobby the European Union, the United Nations and other multilaterals as well in order to broaden the strength of support that can be given to Haiti.

Ms Anne Maguire

I will move on to the next question about the progress that has been made given the fact that there are so many people still in the camps today and how the education system has been developed. I will ask Mr. Dalton to speak a little about the education system and how that has been developed in Haiti.

Mr. David Dalton

Ironically, more than 80% of the children in the camps have had good access to education. That happened quite soon after the disaster. People were intent on getting children back to school as quickly as possible through civil society so that there would be some degree of normality. While only 20% of the destroyed schools have been rebuilt, many temporary schools have also been built. They are buildings with a cement structure and wooden walls and roofing which can last for up to 15 years. Plan Ireland has built more than 250 of those. It is a temporary measure but they provide a reasonably good window of at least 15 years.

Other aspects of education continue such as teacher training. There is also an emphasis among NGOs involved in education that it is not just about attending school. I referred previously to the fact that a lot of children are dropping out, so it is about how to make the quality of education better. For example, we are focusing on teacher training. In a way, education has continued but it is a stop-gap measure. President Martelly is interested in public education and making it accessible to everyone. It will be of interest to hear what he might say on Friday when he arrives.

Ms Ciara Gaynor

On the previous point about progress on moving displaced people from camps to more permanent accommodation, there remain a lot of challenges in that regard. More than half a million people are still in camps, but the government has not formulated any long-term solution or strategy as of yet on where those people will be relocated. Part of the problem links in to what Ms Maguire said about land tenure. There are no agreed plots of land where housing can be built for people. Tensions have been rising in recent months between private landowners where some of the camps have been established and local communities because people are living in displacement camps for more than two years now on land owned by private landowners. While they tolerated it for a certain amount of time the threat of forced evictions is increasing all the time. It is a big problem still facing the country.

Ms Anne Maguire

Anyone who wishes may join in on this point also. The relationship between the Dominican Republic and Haiti is very tense. They share the small island of Hispaniola. The relationship between the countries has never been good since as far back as the 17th century. Very little support was given by the Dominican Republic to Haiti. When the cholera epidemic broke out the borders were closed, probably for health reasons but for many other reasons also. After the earthquake people were not allowed cross into the Dominican Republic from Haiti. It is a different culture. One was colonised by the French and the other by the Spanish but for many years the relationship has not been good and continues to be tense.

Does anybody want to comment on that?

I suggested earlier that Irish firms could adopt particular projects. Some building firms here that were heavily occupied during the Celtic tiger period were experts in providing pre-cast developments for assembly on site. They were high quality and not prefabricated buildings. To what extent has that avenue been evaluated?

I note that of the $4.5 billion worth of assistance pledged by the international community the United Nations figures show that $2.3 billion of it has been disbursed. Is it possible to use any of the moneys committed as a type of promissory note or letter of comfort for the various aid agencies or for the government in Haiti, or must it wait on that?

My last question relates to the extra money required. Is it possible to encourage the various bodies, groups and agencies worldwide to recommit themselves to their original commitments made in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake? With the passage of time those commitments will fade further into the distance and may not be met unless an attempt is made to refocus on them and the regions from where they come. I tabled a question a week ago and that is from where that information came.

Ms Anne Maguire

I can answer the last question but will the Deputy repeat the first question about the pre-cast developments?

In the 1960s and 1970s building firms here specialised in creating low-cost housing that could be assembled rapidly on site. They perfected that over the years and are experts in that area. They remain involved in that although not in housing of the same quality but in well organised precision assessment of sites, evaluation of what is required and provision of the facilities in an organised fashion. That is what is needed in Haiti.

Ms Anne Maguire

Is the Deputy suggesting people would travel to Haiti with the pre-cast material?

Yes, to provide their expertise and enable the community to avail of it. It would be for no reason other than to address the issue of the 500,000 homeless people living in camps.

Ms Brid Kennedy

One of the biggest problems is land tenure which is holding back progress on a great deal of the development. Senator Norris asked about the questions we should ask; that would be one of the top three questions to be asked. The land tenure issue must be sorted out if recovery is to take place and then from the recovery development will happen. Until the land tenure issue is sorted out, regardless of who goes in with what it cannot function. The risk is that rich landlords might take these precast developments and once we have left Haiti they will sell them, make money and evict the people to whom they rented the accommodation. It may sound like a good solution but the kernel of the problem must be sorted first. We can then examine options such as deciding who should get these precast developments and whether we are supporting the rich to become richer because they get better houses or targeting very poor people to get better houses.

How was it possible to circumnavigate the land tenure problem in respect of the 40% of international aid already delivered?

Ms Brid Kennedy

Some of that is being used for road reconstruction. Much progress is being made on road reconstruction, which has cost a fortune. For example, the journey on the road from Port-au-Prince to the central plateau would have taken five or six hours a few years ago but now takes approximately two hours. A good deal of money was put into the reconstruction of that road, and many other roads also. Less money has been put into construction and where that has been done it was for temporary, not lasting, construction.

I will make two brief proposals and because we have educational difficulties in this country as well I must leave to attend the debate taking place with the Minister for Education and Skills in the Seanad Chamber. Would it be appropriate, in the light of what has been said, if an urgent letter could be drafted to the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, Deputy Gilmore, asking him if he could find an opportunity to raise these questions, particularly the matter of land tenure, because otherwise our discussion may disappear into thin air? We could tell him we have had this very useful discussion and outline the difficulties with regard to land tenure which is obstructing progress. I am sure the Minister would respond in the most diplomatic way.

The second proposal is that if we get information and advice about the countries in serious default, a polite letter could be sent from this committee, if it is considered appropriate, to the ambassadors of those countries stating that we very much welcome that they have taken such an interest in Haiti, that our record is X, Y and Z, that we are interested in a comparative study to see where we stand, and if they could give us information and an update on what they are doing. Would that be useful? May I make those two proposals that we-----

I have no problem doing that.

The letter to the Tánaiste would need to get to him before the-----

I have no problem doing that, and we will try to get as much information as possible. I do not know whether Haiti has an ambassador in London as it is such a poor country but-----

Ms Anne Maguire

In Paris.

Perhaps we can make contact with him as well regarding Senator Norris's proposals.

What are the origins of the land tenure problem? Does it go back to the French colonisation?

We could invite the ambassador to come here at some stage.

Ms Anne Maguire

It did not help that the ministry of planning was destroyed in the earthquake, as well as the land registry office.

Does Mr. O'Brien wish to speak? Our former Minister of State, who is now his organisation's chief executive, visited Haiti.

Mr. Kieran O’Brien

We are here to support. We do not directly fund any programmes in Haiti.

In response to the questions about people honouring their commitments, what we commonly face is that their pledges are not necessarily time bound. I know we are two years on from the earthquake but a common response we would receive from foreign governments is that they pledged that money and are spending it over a long period.

Ms Kennedy is from Habitat for Humanity Ireland. We would like to know more about her organisation.

Ms Karen Kennedy

One of Habitat's initiatives with land, in partnership with the global Clinton Foundation, is that we have set up a Haitian property law working group with members of the Haitian government to encourage them to improve the land acquisition process and recommend improvements in that regard. There must be a range of housing solutions for the people in the camps and we work to provide emergency shelter kits through to core housing. Currently, we are examining urban regeneration which involves us doing damage assessments of houses, working with local construction workers and training local people in how they can improve their circumstances.

Does Ms Maguire wish to contribute again?

Ms Anne Maguire

No. On behalf of everybody I thank the Chairman for inviting us to come before the committee today. We appreciate it.

I thank the various organisations that presented us with briefings. I also acknowledge the briefing we got from Trócaire whose representative, Ms Hilary Daly, is in the Visitors' Gallery. Trócaire has been working in partnership with civil society in Haiti for 20 years and I acknowledge its paper submitted to the committee.

I thank all of the delegations and wish them well with the remainder of events for Haiti week. I hope they will continue to highlight the real problems. As I have said, there are enormous problems in Haiti and we will revisit and refocus on the issue in the near future. On Senator Norris's recommendation we will contact the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade. We will also write to the ambassador in Paris and he might take the opportunity to come here so we can ask direct questions.

I apologise for the absence of members. Unfortunately, there was a bereavement. Deputy Micheál Martin's father died and Opposition members went to the funeral. The Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly is also meeting in Strasbourg this week and some members are in attendance. They will all receive a full report of this meeting.

We had a valuable discussion today. As everyone knows, the committee will have an input into the review on the White Paper on aid that will be published next week. The committee will probably carry out its review some time in March and remarks made by the delegations today will be included.

Ms Anne Maguire

We appreciate that and I thank the Chairman.

The joint committee went into private session at 3.42 p.m. and adjourned at 4.15 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 8 February 2012.
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