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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE debate -
Tuesday, 19 Jun 2012

Role and Functions: Discussion with World Bank

We have a quorum. There are no apologies. I remind members and those in the public Gallery to ensure their mobile phones are switched off completely for the duration of the meeting as they cause interference with the recording equipment in the committee rooms, even on silent mode.

Today we will hear presentations on two related matters. The first will be from Ms Marie-Lucie Morin on her work as executive director for Canada, Ireland and the Caribbean at the World Bank. The second will be from representatives of the Debt and Development Coalition Ireland on the impact of debt and the policies of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Ms Marie-Lucie Morin will talk to us about her work as the executive director for Canada, Ireland and the Caribbean at the World Bank and Ms Nessa Ní Chasaide, co-ordinator of the Debt and Development Coalition Ireland, will discuss with the committee the organisation's concerns about the impact of debt and the policy of the World Bank and the IMF on development countries.

We will hear first from Ms Marie-Lucie Morin who is visiting Dublin for five days during which she will meet a wide range of political and official non-governmental organisation stakeholders. Central to her visit is her participation in the conference on new opportunities for emerging markets. That theme will be of interest to the committee which has just begun an examination of the trade promotion role in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Ms Morin has been executive director for Canada, Ireland and the Caribbean at the World Bank since November 2010, a role in which she can draw on experience accumulated over long and varied years of a political, administrative and diplomatic career. She is accompanied here by Mr. Eamonn Kearns, senior adviser to the executive director, and by Mr. Paul Ryan, director of the international institutions section of the Department of Finance.

Before I invite Ms Morin to make her contribution, I wish to advise her that she is protected by absolute privilege in respect of utterances at this committee. However, if she is directed by the committee to cease making remarks on a particular matter and she continues to do so, she is entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of her remarks. She is directed that only comments or evidence on the subject matter of this meeting are to be given and is asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that where possible she should not criticise or make charges against a Member of either House of the Oireachtas, a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I welcome Ms Morin. I had the pleasure of meeting her in Washington last September and we had a very useful discussion on Ireland. I am pleased to hear she has been here over the past five days and that she has visited the west coast and has been to Galway, Mayo and County Clare as part of her work. I am also pleased she has enjoyed the tourism aspect of the country also. I am aware she is here on an important mission and that she has a full itinerary and understand she must leave here at approximately 12.30 p.m. She is very welcome and we are pleased to have her speak at this committee this morning.

Ms Marie-Lucie Morin

I thank the Chairman for his warm words of welcome and I thank him and the distinguished members of the committee for inviting me here this morning. It is a great pleasure to return to Ireland for my second visit as executive director of the World Bank. This year again I have had very productive discussions with Ministers Noonan, Howlin and Costello, senior officials and with representatives of civil society organisations and the business community. I was also privileged to visit part of the west of Ireland. I made my way to Galway, to the Maritime Institute, where I had the opportunity to discuss the recently launched Global Partnership on Oceans.

My yearly visit to Ireland is important because it affords me a privileged occasion to discuss the policy and programming direction of the World Bank Group, WBG, focusing on those areas where Ireland has special interests. Of course, I also maintain frequent contact with Dublin throughout the course of the year. I am very pleased that my visit this year coincides with an International Finance Corporation, IFC, outreach event - to which the Chairman alluded - organised jointly with Enterprise Ireland. The IFC is the private sector development arm of the World Bank. This event taking place today focuses on emerging markets at a time when most of the growth in output and trade generated in the world economy is coming from middle-income and developing countries. It also comes after governors at the bank discussed the importance of leveraging the private sector for development at the latest spring meetings this April.

Whereas I could speak today on a broad range of issues, given the breadth and depth of involvement of the WBG, I will just touch briefly on developments in the following five areas: food security and nutrition, the importance of social safety nets; the world development report on gender which was issued last fall; the bank as a global knowledge institution; and the modernisation agenda of the World Bank.

I will begin with food security. The World Bank Group is firmly part of what we like to refer to as the global development architecture and is guided in its policies and actions by the objectives set out in the millennium development goals, MDGs. Overall, there is significant progress in respect of the MDGs. The committee will be interested to learn that the World Bank has been leading the international statistical effort to measure and build developing country capacity to measure progress against poverty, MDG 1, a major effort which endures. While we can be satisfied with progress so far, some MDGs lag behind, specifically those related to child and maternal mortality. The World Bank Group's global monitoring report 2012 highlights the linkages between food price volatility, nutrition and these MDGs.

The response to food security challenges must be tailored to suit each country and region's need. These are, by definition, multisectoral, including sound agricultural policy, the implementation of safety nets to improve resilience and the development of nutritional policy. I am pleased that the WBG is maintaining a high level of effort in the agriculture sector and it is currently working to update its next three-year action plan, together with partners like Ireland and Canada. The World Bank is also paying increasing attention to nutrition. I would like to stress that the International Finance Corporation plays an important role in the field of agriculture in supporting private sector development.

Food security issues also present immediate crisis management challenges. Irish Aid and CIDA moved early to support those facing imminent famine in the Horn of Africa last year. The World Bank also reacted speedily, along with UN organisations, and it remains active in the region, with a view to implementing programmes and policies aimed at improving the medium and long-term outlook beyond the immediate crisis situation. The World Bank has been a leader and vocal supporter of the creation of safety nets in developing countries. At the spring meetings in April, World Bank governors approved a new document and policy direction entitled, Safety Nets Work: During Crisis and Prosperity. These are non-contributory programmes which provide transfers, thereby preventing poor people and those vulnerable to shocks from falling further into poverty. Safety net transfers can include vouchers, food stamps, coupons and in-kind transfers such as school supplies and uniforms. Spending on safety nets averages from 1% to 2% percent of GDP across developing and transition countries, although there is wide variability. The World Bank is working with local governments and partners such as Irish Aid and CIDA to tailor safety net programmes to meet needs, including in countries like Ethiopia, a country I understand the committee had the occasion to visit recently.

I am pleased to say that the World Bank is also showing leadership on gender equality. While the lives of girls and women have improved dramatically in the past decades, further progress is required. The 2012 world development report on gender equality and development argues that gender equality is a core development objective in its own right. The report lays out clearly that gender equality can enhance productivity, improve development outcomes for the next generation and make institutions more representative. President of the World Bank, Robert Zoellick, coined the sentence, "Gender Equality is Smart Economics". The report targets four priority areas: reducing excess female mortality and closing the education gap; increasing women's voice and agency in the household and society; improving access to economic opportunities; and limiting the reproduction of gender inequality across generations. Projects and strategies presented to the board for approval include gender impact analyses.

Food security, safety nets for the poor and vulnerable and gender equality are important development priorities for Ireland that figure prominently in the WBG's agenda. The World Bank Group is well known for its investment lending programming and for its contribution to global partnerships and initiatives. It also serves three distinct and critical roles as a leading knowledge institution: a knowledge producer, a knowledge customiser, and a knowledge connector. I will share a few examples of this, beginning with its role as a knowledge producer. The World Bank undertakes policy research that is relevant not only to developing countries, who are its borrowers, but also to developed countries. The World Development Report, which has been produced annually since 1978, is the World Bank's major annual analytical publication yearly. It identifies and promotes public policy, based on solid evidence, in fields of specific general interest. I have referred to the last WDR on gender equality; the next WDR will focus on jobs and will be released this autumn at the World Bank's annual meeting in Tokyo. It will address the key challenges faced by low-income and middle-income countries relating to poor job opportunities in the context of poor economic growth. Where growth is high, it is often not inclusive enough and productivity is low. Creating jobs will lead to sustainable livelihoods only where growth is inclusive. This report will provide public decision-makers with practical policy recommendations for increasing job creation.

As a knowledge customiser, the bank works with borrowing countries, taking global best practices in a sector and applying them to the specific country context. Take, for example, conditional cash transfers. These modest sums of money are paid to poor families on condition that they do something proven to have strong developmental benefits for the family, such as keeping their children in school, or bringing their children regularly to the doctor for health checks. Conditional cash transfers have been used with great effect in countries such as Mexico and Brazil, initially with support from the World Bank. By providing financial support to conditional cash transfer programmes run by governments, the World Bank has developed experience in what works and what does not, and it is sharing these lessons with interested governments. New York has introduced a conditional cash transfer programme that reflects many of the best practices gleaned from the World Bank's experience.

Finally, as a knowledge connector, the bank engages in global partnerships with governments, civil society and private actors that are facing similar challenges to facilitate the sharing of knowledge. The bank is a leader in what we call South-South knowledge exchange. The bank has created knowledge platforms to bring together leading researchers, policy makers and practitioners to work on pressing, cross-cutting global development issues. At present, there are six such networks working on green growth, development in conflict-affected states, urbanisation, nutrition, jobs and information and communication technologies. The bank has also launched a cutting-edge open data initiative, making its extensive country-level databases, which are populated with the most up-to-date and credible information, available to researchers and anyone else interested in using these data.

Finally, I will turn to the ambitious modernisation agenda of the World Bank. I have been at the bank for only a little over a year and a half, but I can tell members it is truly a unique institution, which has adapted remarkably well through its more than 60 years of existence. It must continue to do so, and this is what the modernisation agenda aims to accomplish. The bank is now engaged in a review of procedures, instruments and its HR policy suite, which will ensure it can evolve to meet the changing needs of client countries in the face of what we know to be a rapidly evolving world environment.

I am pleased to report that the World Bank Group is making very good progress in its modernisation agenda and that we at the board of directors are taking a strong interest in this agenda, whose progress we review regularly. Of course, Irish Aid is also looking towards the future and I am pleased that we have had an opportunity to contribute to the consultative process.

I believe the work of multilateral institutions such as the World Bank Group in development remains highly effective and relevant. Ireland is a significant contributor to the World Bank effort in per capita terms and I can report that the effectiveness of Irish Aid programmes is recognised and praised. Ireland is appreciated as a partner. Aid effectiveness calls for strong partnerships between multilateral agencies and donor and borrowing countries, and strategic alignment and co-operation at an operational level. The World Bank has possibly unique convening powers to bring together the various development actors at individual country, regional and sectoral level. Through its voice at multilateral institutions such as the World Bank, Ireland can make a stronger contribution to the alleviation of poverty and support for development than could be achieved through bilateral aid efforts alone, especially on issues such as hunger and food security.

I thank members for their attention. It is a pleasure to be here and I look forward to their questions, comments and suggestions.

I thank Ms Morin for her comments on Irish Aid and the fact that our programmes are well recognised and praised throughout the World Bank system. I saw that for myself at the parliamentary forum last year in Washington, when some member states that were programme countries of the World Bank praised Ireland's involvement.

Ms Morin mentioned knowledge transfer. At a time of reduced budgets, Ireland, through its Irish Aid programme, should bolster its emphasis on knowledge-sharing programmes with our programme countries. That is extremely important. I saw good examples of this in Vietnam when I travelled there last year. In addition, when the committee went to Ethiopia, as Ms Morin mentioned in her address, we saw for ourselves how Irish experts in economics, agriculture and other fields were sharing their knowledge with developing countries at very little cost. That is something we are expert in. It is one of our strengths as a country.

The witnesses are very welcome. It was interesting to listen to what Ms Morin said. I have a number of specific questions. One is about the World Bank constituency group of Ireland, Canada and the Caribbean countries. I wonder about the whole process of democracy within that and how influential Ireland is in that group. Do the Caribbean countries have a voice within that group?

Our next presentation is about debt cancellation, to which Ms Morin referred in her report. Does she support debt cancellation for the smaller Caribbean islands? There have been calls for an independent debt audit for Zimbabwe. I am wondering how Ms Morin feels about that, and if she will release any documents the World Bank has on that issue.

There is a new President of the World Bank, who has a development background in health, but there were two other candidates. I would like to ask about the democratic process and how this appointment was made.

I wonder about the funding for the International Finance Corporation and exactly where it is going. I was alarmed to see a statistic that only 13% of the funding goes to low-income countries. I ask Ms Morin to comment on that. It does seem to be balanced in favour of big businesses at the expense of smaller local businesses.

Ms Morin mentioned gender equality. Among the directors of the World Bank - maybe I should know the answer to this question - do any of them come from countries in which gender equality is not practised or where there is no legislation in favour of gender equality? I know it was mentioned that all the issues could not be covered and that there are many other aspects. Unless we get climate change right, we will not be looking at anything else. I wonder how important that is in the agenda. I thank the witnesses for taking those questions and I look forward to hearing the answers.

We are currently in a crisis in Europe which had as its genesis a banking crisis; it was borne out of the reckless practices of the banking sector across Europe. I am aware there is not currently any appropriate international regulation framework for these banks, how they loaned out money and how they shared responsibilities when loans went wrong.

There is a highly indebted poor country initiative which is about to wind down. What is Ms Morin's view on the high debt distress levels that continue in those countries that benefit or others that do not? What is her view on the odious and illegitimate debts that arose in many of these countries which have not benefited people but rather lenders because of interest rates or despotic regimes in some cases? Where is justice at the heart of all these decision making processes?

I will briefly reiterate the issue of how the president of the World Bank is selected, as it has been raised by Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan. There is a view that Europe gets the head of the International Monetary Fund and the United States gets the head of the World Bank. Where does the developing world fit within that? There are other candidates. Is it a fair decision making process and is it based on merit? There are a number of processes being reviewed, including the Safeguard policy and the Doing Business report. Where does the human rights parameter fit with these World Bank initiatives? Will the organisation rank countries higher in the Doing Business rankings if those nations have low labour and social protection standards? That might be better for business but is it better for the people in those countries? Are checks and balances used in the approach to such issues?

The World Bank-International Finance Corporation event is taking place today and Deputy O'Sullivan has already raised the concern that procurement opportunities in the developing world and the global south may be predominantly benefiting the developed world, or the global north. Is the World Bank satisfied that the domestic economies are benefiting and that the private sector in these countries are being given every opportunity to compete; will they get the same opportunities being made available at today's conference?

I welcome Ms Morin. If there was time, a linguistic analysis of her speech and its delivery would be fascinating. I noticed the perhaps Freudian slip on the point regarding the millennium development goals, with most of them achieved. She left out the phrase "except those closely linked to food and nutrition" and moved on to child and maternal mortality. I am not scoring points but that is the nub of the issue. People are starving because there is not enough food or they are not getting food. One of the reasons for this is the gambling by large financial institutions on food futures, etc.

Behind the concept of the state and the institution lies the reality of the people. I do not think a single institution reflects that reality properly, and for that reason I strongly support the contribution of the two preceding speakers and every question they asked. I will not repeat those because the witness is very intelligent and confident and is well able to take them on board. People are starving because the principle of putting the people first does not exist anywhere in international institutions. Is it possible for the witness to comment diplomatically on a suggestion I started to make, that there should be a financial international criminal court to try individuals and groups for crimes against humanity? This happened at Nuremberg, with IG Farben, Krupp and others brought up as companies and individually before a world court for sentencing. I would like to see that happen again. We are in a changed position from that of five years ago, with international complicity in the misery. The witness should not think that because of this beautiful building this country is not suffering misery, as it is, and the position is wretched for a great number of people. As representatives, we are to a certain extent insulated from it.

Population has not been mentioned, and nobody ever seems to mention it. I am not just talking about population explosions in Third World countries. Those are a hundred times less significant than increases in population for which people are working politically in developed countries. That is wrong. There is much discussion about gender equality, which I applaud, but what about gay people? Some 10% of the world's population is gay and the issue is scarcely mentioned. Gay people are on the receiving end of judicial murder and oppression, and very often the people affected are talented and the world is deprived of their efforts. I have fought for women's rights all my life and am also gay, and I am getting a little tired of never seeing anything except gender equity. We should have it spelt out. If we are not prepared to deal with the gay issue, we will not do it but if we are ready to take it on, the matter should be put out there.

I do not mean to be aggressive but I tend to speak my mind; as people often say on the television here, there is nothing personal in it. I have reached the end with institutions and states. I repeat that behind the concept of the state and the institution, there lies the reality of people. It infuriates me to see democracy destroyed in Greece and people starving in Athens because there is no vision, leadership or prophetic view.

I understand the witness is in a hurry but I am great believer in education from the cradle to the grave. I read the brief in the past hour so she should understand I am coming from a cradle; I will ask some very basic questions, given that educated colleagues around the table may already have the answers. Ms Morin is executive director in the World Bank but how many executive directors are there? I note Mr. Eamonn Kearns is senior adviser to the executive director, so does that mean he is Ireland's lobbyist and represents Ireland's interests? I see from the note that the work pertains to Ireland, Canada and 11 Caribbean countries, so do the Caribbean countries have equal status? Is the witness an ambassador for 12 or 13 countries and does she represent those countries at World Bank board meetings?

I understand we pay two tranches, consisting of €33 million and €18 million, to the World Bank. I am not quite sure what we get in return. When the witness comes back I may be better equipped to engage more positively with her. I am worried about some of the documentation I have managed to read in the past hour, particularly relating to procurement. I understand the World Bank may be trying to address the issue. The bank may be willing to make funding available for major projects in the developing world. It is estimated that 50% of the benefit in the procurement of goods and services goes to the project. There is a question over the efficacy of current methods. In other words, the recipient country may not benefit to the extent it could if procurement issues were studied. Perhaps the witnesses have a comment on that.

I welcome our guests. In the current climate, we are conscious of world debt problems and the problems of developing countries. We are equally conscious of our own problems. We have committed to a route to resolve our problems. I am conscious of the origins of the World Bank in the Bretton Woods agreement. I am also conscious of the great recession and the hundreds of hours spent trying to resolve the difficulties associated with that era.

We have two approaches. The approach of debt write-off is not working. It is not a viable product because it creates a doubt in the marketplace. Doubt, indecision and insecurity work hand-in-hand and serve to undermine what we are trying to do, to rebuild our economy. We are hampered by world economic issues. We made an unfortunate contribution to our demise but we are working at it the hard way. We would like to know that everyone else is doing the same thing. It is hugely important for those prepared to carry the heavy burden. Many of our people in this country are carrying a heavy burden, which is not to minimise the level of difficulty and debt facing developing countries. Unless we recognise one another's positions, we will not work our way out.

The witnesses identified food security as being of major importance. Fuel security and energy security are equally important issues, particularly in the way world fuel prices fluctuate to reflect the vagaries of the market. The witnesses also referred to the gender world development report and gender balance. Gender balance is of huge importance in order to achieve economic equilibrium in developing and developed countries. We need to ensure gender balance and to encourage the female part of society participates fully. They have a huge role to play. I am not just saying that for the audience. The women of our society are making a huge contribution and have done so over generations, to such an extent that we do not appreciate the value of what they have done.

Every morning and afternoon we are fed a diet of misery, doubt and suspicion arising from the daily fluctuations of the markets. They create further problems with those fluctuations. At a time when interest rates are lower than ever, we find it difficult to understand the degree to which the markets shift to target various currencies in turn. It is frightening. I submit that modern technology has been a contributory factor. There was no technology of that nature in 1929 but we had a major financial crisis. I will not go into the variations of what happened following the crisis but we must keep our powder dry and our eyes firmly on the road ahead.

I join in the words of welcome to our visitors. I am pleased to hear they visited my home county of Galway and saw the great work being done at the Marine Institute.

The witnesses painted a positive picture of the work of the World Bank yet my colleagues are critical of the major inequity throughout the world and the impact of banking and financial institutions on poverty and inequity throughout the world. Can the witnesses comment on the divergence of opinion between what the witnesses have presented and what my colleagues, particularly Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan and Senator Norris, had to say in their contributions?

Ms Marie-Lucie Morin

I thank the members and the Chairman for their questions and comments. I will attempt to respond to questions to the best of my ability. I will take on board some of the comments of the members and if I can get back to committee members on some issues, I will do so. I will take the questions and comments in reverse order and I will begin by addressing the dichotomy between how I talked about the activities of the World Bank and what might be perceived as criticism of it by committee members. I do not take the comments in that sense.

We are living in challenging times of global economic uncertainty. There is still poverty and inequity in the world. The World Bank is playing a constructive role in trying to address these challenges. Clearly, it cannot do so alone and is working in partnership. That is the way of the future and we should seek to strengthen partnerships and the coherence of policy solutions in order to address many of the issues raised today.

Energy issues preoccupy the work of the World Bank Group. We often hear that, without secure energy supplies, it is difficult to achieve sustainable long-term development. I assure members that the World Bank Group is working diligently with partner countries to address energy security concerns.

I will describe the role and work of the board of directors at the World Bank. There are 25 directors and many of us represent borrowing countries and developing countries. Some directors occupy what are referred to as single chairs. They are not part of a constituency agreement, such as we have with Ireland, Canada and the Caribbean countries. I wish to share with the committee my impression that our constituency is working together remarkably well. We have an extraordinary alignment of views in the constituency. There are two Irish representatives and two representatives from the Caribbean countries in my office working alongside Canadian colleagues. The manner in which we work is remarkably collaborative and we consider every board agenda together. We meet at least thrice weekly, to which Mr. Kearns will testify. We consider every policy decision the board is asked to take as well as projects, etc. I believe it is an effective constituency and I like to think that the views of all members of the constituency are taken into account when we make board decisions.

Within our constituency some members will have a higher degree of interest vis-à-vis certain issues or parts of the world than others. As the committee will appreciate, if we are about to consider a country partnership strategy for a small Pacific island then our Caribbean colleagues would have a great deal of interest in how the strategy paper would be developed and in elements of the strategy and so on because we are trying to effect greater synergies between small island states globally. I referred to food security and nutrition in my speech earlier. Such matters of interest are areas where Canada and Ireland have been working hand-in-hand for years and there is a positive synergy of interests and views. The constituency has been thus for many years and I believe it has served us collectively very well. I am pleased to report that we are a very effective constituency at the World Bank.

Issues of procurement were raised by more than one committee member. It is the case that most of the procurement contracts given by the World Bank Group as a whole are won by companies from developing countries. This is a considerable change which has occurred in recent decades. There may be a view that most of the contracting opportunities derive from developed countries but that is simply not the case and I could volunteer to share some relevant figures with the committee at a later stage. There is a need to constantly review procurement policies and procedures. This is under way in our national contexts and it is something that the World Bank is also engaged in. We must ensure that procurement practices are highly transparent and I believe this is the case at the bank. The practices must also come into the modern age.

I referred to the linkage between food shortages and child and maternal health. These are obvious and this is why it is so important that we sustain the effort in the area of food security, including efforts in agriculture which I have referred to and which are top of the agenda for the World Bank Group.

If I have spoken about gender issues as being women issues it was because I was specifically referring to the world development report published last year. It was also because of the dynamic and the analyses specific to the importance of bringing about gender equality for development effectiveness.

We should consider the International Finance Corporation, IFC, as a whole. There has been an important evolution in the perception of the private sector and its role in bringing about development. An interesting conversation took place at the last spring meetings of the World Bank Group in which governors discussed the importance of leveraging the private sector for development. It is an important niche and a role which the IFC and the other such private sector development agencies located in regional development banks play in this regard. It is becoming more and more obvious in the current discussions between the World Bank and developing countries that there is a great need to develop the private sector in developing countries, especially, but not exclusively, in the small and medium-sized enterprise sectors. If we accept this then there is also a need to grow the financial institutions which, in turn, allow for growth in the private sector. These are all niches and areas where the IFC plays a critical role. The IFC works with large companies but it also works with small companies and intermediates. It is engaged in a range of activities but I believe that its role is critical.

We will shortly bid farewell to President Zelig. This is my opportunity to put on the record that President Zelig has made a stellar contribution to the World Bank group during his tenure. His voice on issues such as food price volatility and food security has been critical. He has led the World Bank group through a turbulent period in the past five years. Naturally, we will welcome the new President, Dr. Kim, on 1 July. I believe the process of selection of the President, approved by governors of the bank the year before, was open and transparent. It was an excellent process and we look forward to working with the incoming president as of 1 July.

I was asked many questions around debt management issues and the issue of debt levels in developing countries. What I would say is that the World Bank works extremely closely with its sister institution on debt issues and the World Bank group has invested an enormous amount in technical assistance, bringing up the capacity of developing countries to manage their own public finances. If one was to look at the areas where the bank has invested in technical assistance or look at the countries' partnership strategies, it is clearly an area where there has been a lot of emphasis and progress accomplished in recent years.

There was a question on the importance of keeping climate change at the top of the mind and, of course, I can only agree with that. The committee will know the World Bank group, as a whole, is very involved in climate change. In fact, at the session this morning, I took note because an International Financial Corporation, IFC, presenter said the IFC has invested over $1.7 billion in energy efficiency, renewable energy and clean technology, although I do know if that is a cumulative figure or only refers to the last year. In the fiscal year 2013, over 20% of investments would be in climate friendly projects. There are also a great number of trust funds at the bank which aim at climate change adaptation and mitigation. It is an area where the bank is clearly putting a great degree of emphasis.

There was a question on gender equality vis-à-vis representation at board level. I am very pleased to report that, for the first time ever, there are six ladies on the World Bank group board, which is a good development. One of the female board members is actually from South Africa and she is a wonderful colleague.

Mr. Paul Ryan

With regard to Deputy Eric Byrne's question about Ireland's financial contribution to the World Bank group, since joining we have contributed slightly less than $500 million to the World Bank group, $40 million to the IBRD, IFC and MIGA, which is a type of loan guarantee system, and $500,000 to the International Development Association, IDA. We also contribute, as Ms Morin said, via Irish Aid to various World Bank trust funds. In 2010 we gave $10 million in this way. We have currently pledged €90 million to IDA-12, which is the current replenishment system for the World Bank through the IDA. That will apply over a nine-year period and we paid the first instalment of €5.4 million earlier this year. We have also contributed to the various other regional development banks at the current stage. Despite our current difficulties, which are extremely serious, Ireland still makes a commitment to helping the world's poor through the World Bank. If the Deputy wants any further information in this regard, we can provide it to the Clerk.

I will ask Mr. Eamonn Kearns, who is on loan to the World Bank from the Department of Finance, and whom I met in Washington last year, to add to that.

Mr. Eamonn Kearns

I thank the Chairman and members for the welcome they gave to Ms Morin and me today. Ms Morin spoke about the IFC event which is taking place today in Dublin. It is entitled an outreach event and the intention is to bring to the attention of the private sector in Ireland the activities of the World Bank, in particular the IFC, which is the development arm of the bank. Why do we want to do this? As Ms Morin said, Ireland is a very significant contributor to the World Bank in per capita terms and it is recognised that Ireland supports the activities of the bank in a very positive way. Most attention is given to Ireland’s support to the IDA replenishment, which focuses on the poorest, most fragile and conflict affected countries. While this is correct, Ireland also makes a very significant contribution via the private sector. What we in the bank are trying to do is to raise the understanding, appreciation and knowledge of how the private sector in Ireland can be involved in the way in which the World Bank addresses poverty alleviation and development issues.

One of the points that is very important to appreciate is that in the world economy at present, the only areas which are growing significantly are the emerging economies. Therefore, there is an additional dimension to this for Ireland. It is not simply that the Irish private sector can contribute to the development effort in the emerging economies, it also means there are business opportunities for Irish firms in those emerging economies. This is not to suggest in any sense that there is a tie between the contribution Ireland makes to overseas developments - that is not what it is about. It is simply that the knowledge, expertise, know-how and capacity to deliver solutions which come from this country can produce business opportunities and can have a payback in terms of those business opportunities for Irish firms.

I call Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan.

I thank the witnesses. Some of the replies were rather general and I was looking for more specific information. A specific question I asked concerned whether there will be support from the World Bank for the debt audit for Zimbabwe.

Ms Marie-Lucie Morin

Can I get back to the Deputy on this? I would not want to give an answer which would not be a proper one.

There is no problem getting back to the committee. We realise Ms Morin does not have a computer here and cannot give all the answers. We look forward to her response in this regard.

Ms Morin stated: "The World Bank has possibly unique convening powers to bring together the various development actors at individual country, regional and sectoral level." This is an important point. The World Bank is in a unique and important position. Ireland values the role it plays in this area. The reason the members raised such key and demanding questions today is that they have such an interest in this area, which is why we have such an active committee. The World Bank can play a critical role in the alleviation of poverty and I know the committee and the Irish Government wish to support the World Bank in achieving this in the fairest and most effective manner possible.

It is clear from what Ms Morin said today that she is an effective advocate for Ireland at the World Bank. I am pleased the committee had this important opportunity to meet her and her colleagues to discuss this area and we look forward to further discussions in the near future. I thank her sincerely for attending and for her contribution to the meeting. As I said, the members have a real interest in this area, particularly in regard to Irish aid. Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan is chairman of the Irish branch of AWEPA, which plays an important role in raising awareness of the situation in Africa, as do other members. I understand Ms Morin has a tight schedule and cannot stay for the next part of this meeting. We will send her on the transcript. I thank her sincerely for coming to this meeting to brief members. It was rather early for a Tuesday committee meeting, but we had a good turnout of members. It was an interesting meeting.

Ms Marie-Lucie Morin

I thank the Chairman and the members of the committee for their engagement with us. I always enjoy open and frank exchanges of the kind we have had. It is truly a privilege to represent Ireland at the World Bank. The contribution Ireland is making to global development is recognised and highly appreciated. If any members have further questions, we are always available to volunteer information. Perhaps that can be done through the Chair.

I thank Ms Morin, Mr. Kearns and Mr. Ryan for their contributions.

Sitting suspended at 12.41 p.m. and resumed at 12.43 p.m.
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