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JOINT COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND CHILDREN debate -
Thursday, 24 Jun 2004

Post Polio Support Group: Presentation.

I welcome Mr. Jim Costello, chairperson of the Post Polio Support Group, Mr. John McFarlane, director of the group and author of its recently published report, and Ms Joan Bradley who is secretary of the group. I also welcome all the other members of the Post Polio Support Group here today. I call on Mr. Costello to begin the presentation on the recommendations contained in the group's report.

Committee members have absolute privilege, but this same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that Members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House, or an official by name in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Mr. Jim Costello

I thank the Chairman and the committee for inviting us to appear before the committee today. I propose to make a short presentation to the committee outlining why we are here and detailing how we believe this committee can assist polio survivors in Ireland. We have prepared a longer paper which we have left with the clerk.

The post polio support group was set up in 1993 to provide advice, assistance and support to Irish polio survivors suffering from the late effects of polio, LEP, otherwise known as post-polio syndrome. Current membership of the group stands at around 500. LEP is a disabling condition that affects polio survivors, often decades after the initial polio attack. For many years, it was thought that after the initial attack and recovery phase the condition was stable. In the 1980s, LEP was internationally recognised medically.

Since its formation, the Post Polio Support Group, PPSG, noted trends in the types of symptoms and requests for assistance that it was receiving. It consequently decided to commission the report, Polio - the Late Effects Reality. The survey was conducted by occupational therapists among 224 of our members. It examined all aspects of their lives, including their needs at the time and their outlook on the future. The members' ages ranged from the late thirties to the eighties, most of whom had polio in the late 1940s and 1950s. It emerged that polio survivors are fiercely independent and determined to overcome all that is thrown in their way. However, the onset of LEP has dealt them a cruel and debilitating blow. Having achieved in many cases a successful life in all respects they have now been hit a second time by the late effects of polio.

The onset of LEP brings on a whole range of physical and psychological difficulties for polio survivors. This is difficult enough without the financial worry that many of our members have identified. The survey revealed that 56% of respondents are able to manage only with some or great difficulty, while 30% of the total sample appear to be living at or below the equivalent of the statutory minimum wage level in 2003. Some members spoke about their difficulty looking to the future, having to worry about basic needs such as household expenses. There are also services and products that are required which are beyond the financial grasp of the vast majority of members of our group.

The irony is that if these services and products were made available they would have practical benefits in slowing the onset of LEP for many of the survivors. This would reduce the ultimate bill to the State in the form of more acute services which will be required if the State continues to neglect survivors. The services that are essential include physiotherapy, occupational therapy, chiropody, dietary advice and the availability of alternative therapies. There is also a need on an ongoing basis for specialist aids and appliances such as mobility aids like wheelchairs, callipers and crutches, orthopaedic footwear and specialist clothing.

Examples of these costs include a single leg calliper which costs €1,200, a standard manual wheelchair which costs in the region of €2,500, while the average cost of a powered wheelchair is €5,000.

The sense of social isolation that many polio survivors feel, primarily as a result of the onset of LEP, cannot be underestimated. The PPSG recently provided funding to one member for a wheelchair, which enabled her to leave her house on her own for the first time in 11 years. Sadly, we do not have the money to alleviate all such cases of hardship that we come across. It is absurd that polio, and consequently LEP, has not been formally recognised by the Government for inclusion on the long-term illness list, despite the fact that LEP is medically recognised as a progressive disease that can recur many years after an individual first contracts the polio virus.

If LEP was recognised as a long-term neurological illness, similar to multiple sclerosis or muscular dystrophy, the number of entitlements available to polio survivors would significantly increase. We are baffled as to why the Department of Health and Children persistently refuses to admit polio to the long-term illness scheme. This one measure would alleviate much of the suffering and hardship. The rationale and public policy justification for doing so is clear and the cohort of people affected is small and ever decreasing as time passes.

The group, and polio survivors in general, have long-term requirements. Although we have received some help from health boards and through our own fund-raising efforts, we are not able to meet the needs of our members who need access to services, aids and appliances. These are denied to them. This is because polio is not recognised by the State as a long-term neurological illness. What is required is the inclusion of polio, and consequently LEP, as an illness in the long-term illness scheme.

Also required is the standardisation of the application procedures for entitlements - particularly as regards the medical card - and sympathetic consideration where benefits are concerned. Additional funds should be made available to assist with the most acute cases of LEP. This is necessary because even if a polio survivor manages to secure a medical card, access to services, aids or appliances is often delayed. In the case of people with LEP, delayed access to services, given the degenerative nature of the condition, is access denied. Also needed is the establishment by the Department of Health and Children of neurological multidisciplinary centres of excellence in the diagnosis, management and treatment of LEP.

Our survey suggests that a total fund of €4.8 million over the next five years would make considerable inroads in alleviating the immediate needs of the most acutely affected polio survivors. We have spent years lobbying health boards. We have now come to this committee to ask it to act as an advocate on behalf of polio survivors. We simply cannot understand why the Minister and his Department refuse to recognise the medical needs and hardship of our members. I would respectfully request that this committee ask the Department if it has any understanding of the serious hardship being endured by our members. The committee might also ask what practical and effective steps the Department will take to alleviate our members' difficulties. It would be useful to probe the Department's persistent refusal to recognise polio on the long-term illness list and to provide adequate funding to assist people who are suffering from the symptoms of LEP. We have tried unsuccessfully to get these answers and action from the Department. Hopefully, the committee may have more success in that regard.

I would like to ask my colleague, Ms Joan Bradley, to outline her personal experiences for the committee before I conclude the presentation.

Ms Joan Bradley

My experience of polio and post-polio is as follows. I contracted polio at four years and I was totally paralysed. After gradual recovery I was able to stop using aids and appliances, but this meant that I started school only at the age of nine. At 18 I attended UCD and was awarded a diploma in radiotherapy. I worked at this for three years, but had to give it up for physical reasons, which were not defined at the time. Looking back, that was post-polio syndrome setting in.

Further training was not an option. I was forced into low-paid employment in an office and worked for 40 years. I was unable to afford VHI or a pension. For many years I sought answers from the medical profession but was fobbed off. First I had to use a stick, then a calliper, crutches, then two callipers and I had to finance everything myself. I could not get on a bus, so I managed to get a car - the primary medical certificate enabled me to afford it.

As I accepted each of these aids my working life was prolonged. In 1992 I got access to international literature and had the answer to my condition. In 1995 I got a manual wheelchair and in 2003 a powered wheelchair. I took early retirement in 2000. This scenario is quite typical of the late effects of polio.

Mr. Costello

I thank Ms Bradley. I would like to thank the Chairman and members of the committee for their kind attention. I am happy to answer any questions as regards our presentation.

I thank the group for its presentation. We are delighted to have had the opportunity of inviting the PPSG to come before the committee. On the question of medical card entitlement, Mr. Costello says that each CEO effectively decides whether or not it is granted, "even though the Department of Health and Children issued instructions to them". It would appear from what he says that the CEOs are not treating this in an even-handed manner and adopting different attitudes to the issuance of medical cards to PPSG members. What is the actual situation?

Mr. Costello

When we met the Department in the late 1990s, it wrote a letter to the CEOs asking them to treat polio survivors with sympathy re applications for medical cards. Since that we have done an examination of our own figures. I will ask Ms Bradley to give the details.

Ms Bradley

In 1997 this was promised. I tested it over the following year and 80% were refused.

Has that changed since?

Ms Bradley

No, it has not changed.

Mr. Costello

The situation is the same.

Ms Bradley

In fact it is probably somewhat worse.

I would like to thank the PPSG for its presentation. Polio survivors have been done a great disservice over the years by not having their condition recognised. I am sure that the committee is anxious to do everything it can.

As regards the issue of medical cards I know that the Department has been staunchly preventing additional illnesses being added to the list of long-term illnesses. However, I believe a very good case can be made in this instance. This is a finite problem. We are all going to die. Hopefully, we will not see polio again. The demands are extremely reasonable and they are deliverable. I do not think it would open the floodgate of profligate spending on the Department's part if we were to accede to the PPSG's very reasonable request. In terms of the request the long-term illness issue is probably the most important aspect. There is a need to standardise the application procedure, not only in relation to post polio sufferers, and the committee should do something in this regard. The operation of the primary medical certificate scheme is ludicrous. As an example, a person who was unable to walk was refused a certificate because he or she was only paralysed in one leg. One could have no legs but would be refused a certificate if one were not paralysed. It is a bureaucratic and ludicrous system which is designed to prevent people from accessing a service.

Regarding the establishment of multidisciplinary centres of excellence, it is not the first time we have received such a request and it is something we are working toward. It is not an objective that will be realised tomorrow or the next day. Dr. Hardiman, who is a great advocate of the PPSG, was before the committee to make the same request.

We are all aware that, regardless of what medical assistance entitlements one may have, they are useless if they cannot be accessed rapidly. A once-off fund is perhaps a cheap and easy way of solving this problem, which affects a finite number of cases. We can make a good case to the Minister for Health and Children in this regard. Where wheelchairs or other medical aids, for example, are not available quickly from the relevant health boards, or whatever body is delivering those services in the future, this fund should then be accessible. I offer my support to the delegation and I am sure all members will do the same.

I thank the delegation for attending a sitting of the committee once again and commend its presentation as a model of clarity. The presentation demonstrates that sufferers of late effects of polio, LEP, have been treated very harshly. It is appropriate for us to raise this issue with the Department of Health and Children. I suggest that Mr. Michael Kelly, the Secretary General of the Department, be invited to come before the committee to address the key practical issues that we identify today. I am not sure of the criteria for the long-term illness list but I know it is difficult to make additions to it. We should concentrate on these specific practical issues and try to achieve a shift in policy.

The vehicle tax relief, for example, is within the remit of the Minister for Finance. The situation is, as Deputy Mitchell observed, bureaucratic and unfair. I recommend that we invite Mr. Kelly and outline the particular measures that should be implemented. The most telling point I have taken from today's presentation is that intervention can slow down the onset of deterioration. That is the strongest argument one can present to any Minister for Health and Children - that intervention is of medical and therapeutic value. I strongly support the delegation and hope we can proceed to push the door open, which the PPSG has unfortunately been unable to do by its own efforts.

I support what has been said by Deputy McManus. We are talking about a finite number of people approximately 500. The costs involved are minimal in the context of the overall spending in the health service. The case is well made by the delegation and the case is quite obvious and must be so to officials in the Department of Health and Children.

A budgetary consideration is not the issue here in including LEP sufferers on the long-term illness list. I support Deputy McManus's proposal that Mr. Kelly should come before the committee and explain why this should not be done when there is no budgetary issue and the case is so obvious. I agree that it is difficult to obtain any additions to the long-term illness list, as we have experienced with asthmatics and others over the years, but this case is self-evident. This illness is excluded for bureaucratic rather than logical reasons.

I agree that the delegation's demands are quite modest. LEP should be recognised as a long-term illness and all sufferers should have a medical card.

Regarding the provision of funding for the PPSG, the delegation's request is reasonable. Like Deputy Mitchell, I have a slight difficulty with the proposal for the establishment of centres of excellence, not because of the concept itself, but because of the severe shortage of neurologists.

On a personal level, I have met constituents who suffer from LEP and their courage and strength are a constant wonder to me. I am sure the same applies to the members of the delegation.

The delegation's presentation was clear, well-structured and based on an excellent study. Its presentation is a model to other groups and it makes it easy for us to identify the terrible situation in which LEP sufferers find themselves.

LEP is perhaps a consequence of a time when conditions in the health service were not as they should be. We have inherited this and it is time we did something to rectify the wrong. The delegation has made it very clear that it is easy to rectify. We are talking about basic things such as automatic entitlement to a medical card and inclusion on the long-term illness list. The effects are there for everyone to see so it is baffling that these provisions have not yet been granted, although none of us is surprised by the experiences of people in the health service. LEP sufferers are clearly entitled to assistance which they are not receiving.

I was interested to hear that many sufferers are not entitled to benefits because their incomes rest marginally above the cut-off figure for such programmes. Some 30% of the total sample appeared to be living at or below the equivalent of the statutory minimum wage. Prevention is better than cure and the delegation will agree that the cost of supporting people who are becoming increasingly disabled is greater than the cost of rectifying the situation. We are talking about a finite number of sufferers and an injection of funds, provision of medical card entitlement and inclusion on the long-term illness list would do wonders. I support this and will do all I can, together with the committee, to work toward that end.

The delegation's presentation clearly illustrated what the problems are. We are all horrified that LEP sufferers are not included on the long-term illness list. It is a credit to the delegation that it has put its case so strongly before an Oireachtas committee. It is clear what we need to do in terms of getting the necessary recognition and financial assistance for LEP sufferers. It is incumbent upon the committee to attain this end.

I would like to know what reasons, if any, the PPSG has been given for the exclusion of LEP sufferers from the long-term illness list.

I welcome the delegation's report but it is shame-making for the health service that the PPSG should have to come before the committee at all and that it has been treated so shabbily. I support Deputy McManus's suggestion that Mr. Kelly should be invited here to explain why so many LEP sufferers have been refused medical cards and why they are excluded from the long-term illness list.

The implementation of the primary medical certificate regarding transport has been disgraceful almost since its inception. I have raised this issue many times but there have been no efforts to reform it.

Like other members of the committee, I am concerned about centres of excellence because we have a serious shortage of neurologists. Chiropody is also very important for people with long-term illnesses, including post polio syndrome. However, the services are simply not there. The committee should ask Mr. Kelly to address these issues. I apologise to the group for having to come to the committee in the first place.

I thank the Post Polio Support Group for coming in. In the event of other groups coming before the committee, we should first send them a copy of this presentation. It is a model of what we should receive - excellent, clear, to the point and very understandable.

I have the same question as Deputy O'Malley. What reasons were given for not issuing a long-term illness card?

I thank the delegation for coming before the committee. It is true that their presentation was extremely clear and a model for other groups.

The group's requests are very reasonable. It is shocking to think that they are merely looking for €4.8 million over five years. In the context of the money spent on e-voting and other debacles, this is a very reasonable request and should not be refused under any circumstances. I am shocked at what Joan Bradley has told us, that 80% of people have been refused medical cards despite a specific request to the CEOs to look favourably on the issue. We need to find out why that happened.

In the aftermath of the elections, the Government may take a new course. It cannot be about market forces, it has to be about individuals and the way they are trying to lead their lives in very difficult circumstances.

I too congratulate the group on their excellent presentation this morning. Like previous speakers, I call for Mr. Kelly to come before the committee. As Senator Henry has said, I feel ashamed to listen to the Department's point-blank refusal. My mother-in-law is a member of the Post Polio Support Group and if she was not lucky enough to have family around her, she would be in an institution. I do not know how she would manage.

In addition to the refusal of entitlement to medical cards, did the Department state why you were not entitled to inclusion on the long-term illness scheme? We need only to look at members of the group to know that polio is a long-term illness - it does not go away - and some people are affected more severely than others.

I am also shocked that the group was obliged to come in today to highlight their extraordinary situation. Their demands for medical cards and an expenditure of €4.8 million over five years are reasonable.

Polio damages 95% of spinal cord nerves and it affects nearly every muscle in the body. Lack of physiotherapy and occupational therapy services must cause serious distress to post polio sufferers and have a substantial impact on their condition. Are sufferers affected by the lack of occupational therapists and physiotherapists in Ireland?

I endorse everything said. It is a fine presentation, and I found it compelling. The key is admission to long-term illness list. I do not wish to seem cavalier about public funds, but €5 million is buttons in the health service. Would the group envisage administering the fund themselves?

The concept of centres of excellence in the plural is perhaps ambitious. For a population of about 224 and diminishing, it might be better to link up with a particular neurological centre. If financial help is required for the dissemination of information on best practice, it should be forthcoming.

Perhaps Mr. Costello would like to sum up and respond to some of the questions.

Mr. Costello

We would view inclusion on the long-term illness list as a first and important step. A precedent was set in 1975 whereby conditions similar to ours, namely muscular dystrophy and muscular sclerosis, were added to the list, along with acute leukaemia and parkinsonism.

We would regard the medical card as a great benefit to those diagnosed with the late effects of polio. We would first like to see polio added to the long-term illness list. We would then like people diagnosed with the late effects of polio to be entitled to a medical card and to have their applications dealt with in a more sympathetic manner.

Neuromuscular centres of excellence would cover all neuromuscular conditions, similar to the centre in Beaumont. These are badly needed in the south and west. Currently, there are disabled people undertaking difficult journeys from Kerry and Mayo to Dublin to attend the Beaumont centre.

Ms Bradley

The question related to what the Department told us. It stated that the long-term illness list would not be extended, full stop.

They did not give you an explanation.

Ms Bradley

No. It stated that the list would not be extended.

Mr. Costello

We have heard that numerous times. There was another question relating to physiotherapy and occupational therapy. We are in the business of preventative medicine, and we are trying to keep people at home, in work and out of institutional care for the rest of their lives. It is extremely cost-effective in the long run.

Mr. John McFarlane

A recent study in Texas, which looked at the late effects of polio, found that spending $5,000 over five years saved the health services under Medicare and Medicaid in Texas approximately $25,000 per patient. That is a ratio of 1:5.

That is too commonsensical for certain people.

This committee will write to the Minister and the Secretary General, Mr. Kelly, recommending the inclusion of polio on the long-term illness list. We have no problem in recommending that medical cards be made available. We will also make recommendations in terms of the availability of additional funds. Further to that, we will ask Mr. Kelly to come before the committee in the autumn to respond to the report presented today. We will perhaps get answers.

The committee is grateful for the opportunity to have the Post Polio Support Group before us today. Everybody has complimented the group on the comprehensive nature of their report outlining the specific needs and State supports required by post polio sufferers. They have great support within this committee. We hope this support can be turned into tangible benefits for the group and its members. I hope that in the autumn Mr. Kelly will be able to give us some of the answers we seek.

At our next meeting we will have a presentation from Dr. John Martin, the secretary general of the OECD, on that organisation's health projects. I remind members that we are currently undertaking a study of anti-competitive practices in medical training. We hope that the final draft will be made available in the early part of that meeting and that we can finally adopt the report.

The joint committee adjourned at 10.40 a.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, 8 July 2004.
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