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JOINT COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND CHILDREN (Sub-Committee on High Levels of Suicide in Irish Society) debate -
Tuesday, 8 Nov 2005

High Levels of Suicide: Presentations.

I welcome the delegates from of the Irish Association of Suicidology, IAS, Dr. John Connolly, secretary, Professor Michael Fitzgerald, chairman, Dr. Justin Brophy, director and Ms Ann Cleary, director. I introduce the Oireachtas panel, Deputy Neville, Senator Glynn, Deputy Connolly, Senator Cummins and our consultant Dr. Siobhán Barry.

This committee is trying to deal with the high rates of suicide and to produce a report that will make a difference to that rate. The committee has heard some professional opinions and will proceed until the end of November, when it will prepare its report. I invite Dr. Connolly to begin his presentation.

On behalf of the IAS I thank the Chairman for the opportunity to speak on this important and tragic subject. The IAS is an all-island organisation founded in 1996 to ensure that the subject of suicide was live in the public and political domain. At that time there was little action on suicide. Deputy Dan Neville was the leader in highlighting and tackling the problem and bringing attitudes to it into the modern age. We have much to say and are glad to share our concerns and ideas on what might be done. The committee has heard many statistics and we will go over some of those. We are mindful that while statistics give us food for thought, we must remember that hidden behind the figures is the detestation and pain of those left behind by these unnecessary deaths. That cannot be measured in economic terms.

The first page of the document before the committee sets out the aims of the IAS. The document lists our board members and the officers of the association, who bring a wealth of experience and knowledge on all aspects of suicide, suicidology, psychiatry, sociology and personal experience from the members of our board who have been bereaved by suicide. In the ten years since its foundation the IAS has been very active. It was important to raise public awareness and that has lessened the stigma traditionally attached to suicide and mental illness. This is not as bad as it was in 1996 but there is still a long way to go.

We looked at the problem of the portrayal of suicide in the media. Certain portrayals of suicide in news media and drama can give rise to copycat suicide. With that in mind we produced a document entitled Guidelines for the Portrayal of Suicide in the Media, which has been well used by reporters and dramatists, and we have had positive feedback. We are in the process of updating those guidelines, and the new document will be launched in January 2006.

In January we also hope to launch a series of awards for the most sensitive and enlightening media portrayal of suicide in drama or news. We expect that will take place this year and the awards will be presented on International Suicide Prevention Day in 2006, which is 10 September.

A major task for us was the preparation of guidelines on best practice for suicide prevention in schools. They were launched in 2000 in the form of a handbook that is widely used by teachers, school guidance counsellors and educational psychologists. More than 4,000 copies were printed, one of which was presented to every school. They have now sold out and are being updated. In response to requests from teachers, we have held four major national conferences dealing with every aspect of suicide prevention that may arise in schools, including bullying, alcohol and drugs, and crisis management. Our next conference for schools will take place in Kilkenny on 7, 8 and 9 December. The theme is partnerships to prevent youth suicide in recognition of the fact that everybody has a role to play in preventing suicide, whatever their profession and life experience.

We are also concerned with supporting persons bereaved through suicide, who suffer a great deal as a result of these unnecessary deaths and are themselves sometimes at risk of suicide. One of the features of our annual general conferences, of which we have had ten to date, has been to devote an entire section to those bereaved through suicide. We have also worked in an advisory capacity with many other organisations, some of which I have mentioned. One of these is Console, a dedicated organisation which I understand has made a presentation to the committee. We are also involved with an organisation called Smashing Times Theatre Company which is developing a series of playlets aimed at raising awareness of suicide in schools and the community at large. Another organisation that is dear to our hearts is the recently established Irish Centre for the Prevention of Deliberate Self-Harm. We also worked closely with the national suicide review group, NSRG, over the years and played a major part in devising the strategy it produced.

In 2000, according to a World Health Organisation report, suicide accounted for just less than half of violent deaths worldwide, as illustrated in graph No. 1 on page 4 of our document. It was responsible for more deaths than those caused by homicide and war, although President George W. Bush may have brought about a change in these statistics in recent times. Graph No. 2 on page 5 indicates that for more than 100 years, suicide rates in Ireland were very stable, less than four per 100,000 population according to official statistics, but that suddenly, in 1971, rates began to rise rapidly. This begs many questions in the context of our efforts at suicide prevention as to what happened in Irish society that may have brought this about.

Graph No. 2 on page 6 shows that Ireland's increased suicide rates are largely a male phenomenon. The female rates have remained relatively stable at under five per 100,000 for some 25 years. Interestingly, however, breaking down the figures for female suicide into the different age groups indicates that the rates for women aged 15 to 24 more than doubled in a ten-year period, although the numbers are quite small. Members will be aware from previous presentations that Irish suicide rates are below the European average. There is, however, no acceptable level of suicide. We have the fifth highest rate of youth suicide among the 25 European Union member states.

Interestingly, committee members will note from graph 7 on page 8 that on occasion the suicide rates have overtaken the number of deaths resulting from road traffic accidents. It exceeded it by about 70 in the last year for which I have figures. Indeed, if one combines the figures for murders and deaths resulting from road traffic accidents, there are more suicides in Ireland. This is a startling fact. In addition, it should be remembered that in the case of road traffic accident deaths where just one vehicle with a single occupant is involved, more than 6% of those deaths are probably suicide. That has been established by research internationally and by our own findings from certain studies in Mayo.

Another thing that worries us about the mortality data on suicide is that in the 1970s and 1980s there was a drop in the coding of deaths to the undetermined category but, unfortunately, that seems to have changed for the worst in recent years. The number of deaths coded to undetermined has risen and is now at 18% of the total suicide rate. It is accepted in most countries that the majority of undetermined deaths are, in fact, suicides. If we are seeking a proper idea of the level of suicide in Ireland those two figures should be added together.

Preventing suicide is a complex issue. There is no simple answer to it. There is no single cause of suicide. Suicide is the result of a lifetime of suffering, pain and difficulties. We often mistake the last precipitating issue for the suicidal person as the cause when, in fact, it is just the end of a long life of suffering. Mental illness is, of course, a major risk factor for suicide. For the major psychiatric illnesses, such as depressive illness and schizophrenia, the lifetime rates of suicide are 10% to 15%.

Suicide prevention is a difficult task because suicide is a rare event, despite the publicity it is getting at present. It accounts for approximately 1.4% of all deaths on this island. Each doctor in general practice, for example, is likely only to come across a completed suicide in his practice once every five years. That makes it difficult for people in the professions to ide ntify a potentially suicidal person and do something about it. We never know when we have prevented a suicide but we always know when it has not been prevented.

The first thing in understanding and developing a strategy for suicide prevention is to look at the risk factors for suicide and examine what medical, social and other measures one can use effectively to reduce them. These are outlined on pages 9 and 10. Page 9 also shows the protective factors for suicide. These are quite important, although perhaps there is little one can do about some of them, such as aging and being male. We do not understand fully the interplay in the relationship between risk and protective factors. That requires a great deal of research and a great deal of investment in such research.

The problem regarding research is that we do not have enough Irish based relevant research. It has been underfunded over the years. We depend on research carried out in other jurisdictions for many of our ideas about suicide but that research is, of course, not always applicable to the culture, history and state of our communities. Likewise, there is a great need for local research. What the risk factors are in one part of the country need not necessarily apply everywhere else.

One thing that does apply, however, is the relationship between alcohol and suicide and suicidal behaviour. The sub-committee has heard presentations from other groups about this link. We do not need to go back into it except to say there has been an enormous increase in alcohol consumption in Ireland. We have a binge drinking culture. More than anything else, binge drinking is associated with high levels of suicide and suicidal behaviour. Graph 9 in our submission highlights the extent of this problem among young people.

The relationship between mental illness and suicide has been established by research. Bearing this in mind, it must be pointed out that there has been gross underfunding of psychiatric services, particularly those for children and adolescents. This must be a cause of grave concern. Given the human suffering involved and the economic burden of suicide and mental illness to society, it is disgraceful that funding for mental health services is less than 7% of the total health budget and that there has been a considerable decrease in such funding during the past 15 years or so. There is much to be done to make psychiatric services user-friendly and accessible to all and to ensure a high quality of service throughout the State. We must also ensure that everyone gets an equal share as regards the latter. I was alarmed to hear a Scottish delegation at one of our meetings in recent years complain that the proportion of the health budget devoted to psychiatry and mental illness in Scotland is 18%, more than double what is provided in this State. In other parts of the United Kingdom, the proportion of the health budget devoted to mental health is approximately 14%.

Likewise in Scotland, the money for suicide prevention programmes is ring-fenced for the lifetime of a project. Suicide prevention programmes and strategies are complex matters which often tend to fail. The most common reason for failure is that after the publicity covering the strategy and the public meetings around the particular event, people tend to quickly lose interest. Most of the funding disappears and is not applied as promised. This happened in Sweden, which had the most successful suicide prevention programme to date. It is interesting to note that while its programme was working, halfway through the project the number of acute psychiatric beds and other related services were reduced, giving rise to a slight increase in suicide rates.

There are many elements to suicide prevention that must be examined. One of these is the training of paramedic health care personnel in the assessment and management of a suicide crisis. Others that work include helplines, crisis centres, comprehensive school-based suicide prevention programmes, the diagnosis of assertive treatment of mental illness, the restriction of access to means of suicide and improving the portrayal of suicide in the media. Restriction of access to means of suicide is important. In many jurisdictions where the means commonly used are controlled, prevention has occurred. Unfortunately, on this island the most common means of suicide are drowning and hanging. It is difficult to limit access to those particular means. In other states, where agricultural poisons, for example, are commonly used, the restriction and control of their distribution had an effect in reducing suicide rates.

There are other general issues, largely aspirational, which will affect suicide rates. I refer here, for example, to dealing with the social causes of suicide. It must be remembered most mental illnesses, particularly depression, have an element of social cause. There is much literature and research on the social origins of depression and the types of societies and people in which it arises. We must deal with the problem of violence in our society. Above all, we must implement the national policy on alcohol. We have to combat stigmas relating to mental health and suicide. We must ensure equal access to health services, which does not really obtain in every part of the State. We must create equitable access to education and so forth. Also coming to the fore at the moment is the need to deal with the problem of bullying in schools and in the workplace. Again, there is a risk factor for suicide among people who are bullied and in those who are bullies.

I stress to the committee the importance of the voluntary sector in suicide prevention, both at national and local level. It is important to ensure, particularly in the light of the Government's White Paper on volunteers and volunteering produced about three or four years ago, that the voluntary organisations are welcomed as equal partners by the statutory authorities, adequately supported and funded, rather than have their projects duplicated at great expense. The judicious solution of voluntary groups in suicide prevention can be more acceptable and successful than imposing policy from Departments of Government.

Having said that, we must look at what we have done over the years in the Irish Association of Suicidology in producing a large number of booklets, which I will leave with the secretariat for members' information. Copies will be available to any members of the sub-committee who want them if they contact us at our office. The literature consists of the proceedings of a number of our annual conferences and the proceedings of the conferences we have had for schools, which are very important articles and information that will be of great benefit to the committee in compiling its report. We also have copies of our school guidelines, our guidelines for the portrayal of suicide in the media and copies of our newsletters.

The IAS has been very busy in all aspects of suicide prevention and the promotion of awareness of suicide over the years, and we intend to continue that work. I have given members a list of things we intend to do in continuing and developing all existing projects. We want to take a role in the development of services and the implementation of the national suicide prevention strategy. It is hoped that will be funded because the strategy needs a great deal of money.

Because of the demands made on us by the general public seeking advice and help, particularly those who complain about their inability to contact or difficulty in contacting and engaging with local services because they do not exist in some areas, we need to provide some kind of counselling service, a type of fire brigade service that would direct people to the services near their homes. We will continue to support other voluntary organisations and we intend also to embark, by popular request from various groups such as the Garda, prison officers, psychologists and social workers, on more national conferences geared to their needs for education and training. I stress again that we have struggled over the past four years on a very meagre budget of about €75,000 per annum, which barely covers office and administration costs. We are grateful to members of the general public for their donations but we need the support of the committee. We have a valuable and important role in the future.

I want to draw to the committee's attention, although it may not be particularly relevant to the work of the committee, the fact that the Irish Association of Suicidology is hosting the biennial conference of the International Association of Suicide Prevention, IASP, from 28 August to 1 September 2007 on preventing suicide across the lifespan, which is germane to the situation in which the island currently finds itself. The subtitle is "Dreams and Reality" because we all have dreams of preventing suicide and doing away with these unnecessary deaths, but the reality is that all efforts by both statutory and voluntary groups to this end have been hampered by a lack of funding, the issue not being seen as important enough compared with other issues. We hope the committee will support us in all our ventures. My colleague will be delighted to amplify the issues we have raised so far with any questions members want to ask.

I welcome my colleagues from the Irish Association of Suicidology. Under the circumstances I have to declare an interest, even though there is nothing other than a professional interest in the association. I want to raise two issues with Dr. Connolly and Dr. Brophy.

Dr. Connolly pointed out the need to develop psychiatric services as a suicide preventative measure. Much discussion has taken place around this and it is often suggested that the link between psychiatric illness and suicide is over-emphasised. Would Dr. Connolly speak about international research in that area? He mentioned that Finland successfully tackled this issue. I have no doubt that there is a close relationship between psychiatric illness and suicide. One must examine the area of suicide by people who have previously attempted it. Although less than 50% of attempted suicides present at an accident and emergency department, this could be an opportunity to intervene. Could Dr. Connolly say how effective that might be?

Why is suicide such a young person's issue? Why, in the 1990s and the first part of this century, has a crisis among young people given Ireland one of the highest levels of suicide in Europe and the world, judging by the OECD statistics? Why are our young people in such difficulty? Is the problem recognised by the Government and its health and educational services? We do not recognise the crisis in young people. We must not over-emphasise it. Young people are brilliant. They have more to cope with than ever before and they are facing those challenges and overcoming them brilliantly, but a significant minority is failing to deal with their difficulties. Are they falling into depression because of the pressures, and does that depression lead to suicide?

International psychological autopsy studies have established that between 65% and 95% of people who took their own lives suffered from a psychiatric illness. That has been established in many different cultures and countries. Research shows that in countries such as Australia, Sweden, Norway and Germany, which have programmes to promote positive mental health, suicide rates tend to fall. Promotion of positive mental health as an antidote to mental illness is important and proven through research. In those countries, and in parts of Hungary, work has been done on the assertive treatment of depressive illness with counselling and appropriate medication. Suicide rates have tended to fall in those countries.

Alcohol is a serious problem which is implicated in approximately 45% of suicides for many different reasons. People who are depressed tend to turn to alcohol in the mistaken belief that alcohol is a stimulant; it is actually a depressant. Alcohol precipitates psychiatric illness or depression in many people. People may act out of character under the influence of alcohol, behaving in a compulsive fashion or in a violent way towards themselves and others.

There is much more that could be said on this topic. Unfortunately, I neglected to bring some useful review articles on suicide prevention, particularly the work of Ms Annette Beautrais in New Zealand, which go into more detail on the questions members have asked. Professor Fitzgerald might now address some of the other issues raised.

I thank Deputy Neville, Dr. Connolly and the late Dr. Michael Kelleher for their tremendous work in the years since they founded the IAS. I am sure members have seen recent reports pointing to the shortage of inpatient beds and psychiatric services for children at risk of suicide. As a percentage of the total health budget, the provision for mental health has been cut by some 50%, from 11% some years ago to 6% now. One of the factors influencing this savage cut is the stigmatisation associated with mental illness. Those who decide budgetary policy know the mentally ill are highly stigmatised and that there are not many votes in mental illness. One can afford to slash mental health budgets in a manner not possible in other areas. Members are familiar with the endless managerial restructurings of recent years in the health service. A significant portion of available resources is haemorrhaged through such bureaucratic adventures.

Everybody agrees there is a close link between mental illness and suicide, particularly male suicide. Males are the weaker of the species because the male brain is attuned to technology and engineering and is poor at dealing with emotional issues. The female, on the other hand, is the more advanced of the human species because she has a far more balanced brain that allows her to be more empathic and capable of sharing emotions and stresses. This is why males are more vulnerable to suicide and must be trained in school to better deal with emotional problems. In a number of studies, we asked primary school children whether suicide was a solution in the case of a major problem. Some 40% responded that it was. It is part of the culture now and children see it endlessly on television.

While our economy performs strongly, our society does not cater for the mental health needs of children. As our wealth increases, so too does the incidence of depression, including among children, conduct disorder and suicidal behaviour. It is a major paradox that as our economic lot has improved, the situation has worsened from a mental health perspective. I assume some of the factors in this regard are the fragmentation of society, the stresses on children, marital breakdown and the decline in interest in religion, which may have further accelerated in recent weeks. Huge numbers are committed to a concept of God and are interested in spiritual matters. Their faith in the Catholic Church, however, has, for good reasons, diminished dramatically. Studies indicate that those who are religiously active have a better mental health status. Religion is good for people's mental health when it is presented in a relevant fashion by persons who have the respect of the faithful.

The last point is stigmatisation, which is incredibly strong in this county. I hope the committee will do the best it can to reduce this stigmatisation. There is a crushing stigmatisation of mental illness. Mental illness and suicide are every family's problems. There is no family or extended family in this country that is not touched by mental illness or by suicide. It is a common problem but still the budgetary emphasis is going in the opposite direction.

Dr. Justin Brophy

I wish to comment briefly on the connection between good mental health services and lowered suicide rates. There is no absolute proof that better mental health services will lower suicide rates and it is a difficult matter to prove. However, there is widespread acknowledgement that better mental health services will make it easier for people to get help. The fundamental problem with Irish mental health services is that they are remote from most people's lives. They are stigmatised and difficult to access. People fear using them. In many cases they wrongly fear them because they will often find good and useful help there.

The future is not more of the same mental health services that we have been delivering but services that are more available in primary care, available when the person needs them rather than on a referral basis and services that are less institutional but more service configured and in the community. That is the type of mental health service required. That is not a cheap mental health service. We must invest both in people and in resources to deliver that type of service. I have no doubt if we do that, we will lower the suicide rate in addition to the many other social benefits that will flow from it.

I welcome the representatives from the Irish Association of Suicidology. I compliment them on their great work. Dr. Connolly and Deputy Neville have been involved from the start and really have been the pioneers of this movement. Given that people are deemed to be our best resource, we must take serious cognisance of the large number of people who meet their death through suicide. It was interesting to hear Dr. Connolly say that most undetermined deaths are suicides. The statistics probably should be higher as a result of that statement. Many people would agree with Dr. Connolly. It is not the first time it has been said in this forum.

With regard to reducing the stigma, if there is such a stigma associated with it, why is the incidence of suicide continuing to rise? The numbers have increased and decreased over the years. Last week, I regretfully reported to my colleagues the suicide of a former colleague. Before I left home this morning my wife told me my daughter had received a text from her friend to tell her a young associate of hers, again a male, had died.

Professor Fitzgerald made a comparison between males and females which I found interesting. I recall when I was a schoolboy and playing on the sports fields that males were never inclined to mention if they had a problem. If one did, one was deemed a sissy. However, if that individual's sister or cousin had a problem, they were forthcoming about it. Perhaps that is something that might be brought more into the open. Will the representatives comment on that?

I was also interested to hear the comment about sexual abuse and the interests of the church. This is the second occasion on which that point has been made to the sub-committee. In terms of the religious, regardless of whichever denomination is concerned, it is the singers who are at fault not the song. If anything will come out of this, it will be that no institution is perfect and that people should listen to their children. Some years ago, if a child said that he or she was molested by a priest, a nun or a brother, he or she got a wallop around the ear and was told to be off. From Dr. Connolly's experience, what is the incidence of suicide among those who have been the subject of sexual abuse?

Dr. Connolly highlighted the important statistic on the correlation between suicide and levels of alcohol consumption. People in my former occupation have been saying this for years. Does Dr. Connolly agree that drinks companies have a serious responsibility in this area? Does he agree that alcopops, which are directly aimed at young people, should be banned? Does he agree that people whose behaviour is adversely affected as a result of alcohol consumption should be a banned from drinking it? If a person takes a substance that will cause difficulty for those around him or her and for society, a case must be made in respect of him or her not being allowed to take that substance.

I agree with the points made on the reduction in the psychiatric services' budget. We have heard many buzz comments about community service vis-à-vis hospital service. I always contend that community service is the better but more expensive of the two. I am also aware, as a former community psychiatric nurse, that those services ended on Friday evenings and were not available at weekends.

I would be delighted to attend the conference next August. However, when conferences are arranged, will the organisers avoid having them on sitting days of the Dáil and the Seanad? I had registered to attend the previous conference in Armagh but I was forced to call it off because my duties in the Seanad determined that I should be elsewhere.

Given that, in most cases, a general practitioner is the first point of contact for a person with a psychiatric illness, does the delegation agree there should be additional training for general practitioners in this field? I thank the delegation for its work in this area.

Considerable emphasis was placed on the stigma surrounding mental illness. In the 1960s and 1970s, there was much stigma attached to mental illness. At that time, suicide figures were officially low. As people suffering from alcoholism were treated in psychiatric hospitals, the stigma attached to mental illness became less. By the early 1980s, it was okay to be treated for depression. People now accept that an individual can be successfully treated for a mental breakdown. However, while the stigma has been reduced, the number of suicides has increased.

On page 9 of the presentation it is stated "most suicides result from lifelong suffering from pain and difficulties". It is stated in another section that undoubtedly mental illness is a major risk factor for suicide and that a likely risk factor is major depressive illness. I agree with those statements. A significant number of young males in the 15-25 year age group do not present with a mental illness or the effects of lifelong suffering and become the unpredicted suicide cases. If there is a suicide, it wrecks the community for a significant period. Parents do not know where to look because a small incident can trigger a suicide. What is Dr. Connolly's view on this? The signs cannot be detected as it is apparent to no one that such persons are experiencing the effects of lifelong suffering. They might act normally with friends and demonstrate no outward signs of a mental illness. We generally expect such signs to be detected. Most of us come from ordinary families and feel we would notice if a 17 or 18 year old was suffering from depression.

In talking about suicide prevention programmes Dr. Connolly refers to improving the portrayal of suicide in the media. Will he expand on what he means by this? If we improved the level of awareness, would there be a directly linked reduction in the number of suicides? If, as I suggested some time ago, the issue received the same media attention as car accidents receive, would this help to reduce levels? The Sunday newspapers carry a section every week and there seems to be a death nearly every day. When that happens, the finger is pointed at certain Departments such as the Department of Transport or schemes such as Carsafe or Roadsafe and people ask if the Garda is putting enough checkpoints in place in order that somebody can be held responsible. There has been a 50% increase in the number of deaths by suicide, yet nobody is taking responsibility or pointing the finger at the necessary authorities, whether they be the psychiatric services, schools or the health service. What are the views of Dr Connolly on the portrayal of suicide in the media?

Dr. Connolly states prevention makes a number of demands. These include addressing the social causes of suicide, tackling violence in society, implementation of a national policy on alcohol, combating the stigma associated with mental illness and suicide, ensuring equality of access to healthcare and creating equitable access to education. If we must achieve these aims in order to tackle the issue of suicide, we have a long way to go. Nobody is grasping the nettle and saying the issue belongs to them. Responsibility is scattered across Departments and groups and it is difficult to nail it down to any particular group.

On page 13 of the presentation it is stated that in future the IAS will take a role in monitoring the development of services and the implementation of the national suicide prevention strategy. It also states these will "hopefully" be funded. That is frightening because funding is always an issue with regard to suicide as evidenced by the reduction in the budget allocation from 11.5% to 6.6%. Has this measure been costed and has funding been sought? Without figures we are talking in the wilderness.

What are Dr Connolly's views on the total reform of psychiatric services? The World Health Organisation has adopted the Monaghan model which puts more emphasis on community teams. This is not much more expensive on a per capita basis than any other area of the psychiatric service.

Should better use be made of cognitive behavioural therapy, where more people would be introduced to the concept? It has been mentioned that there is great demand for booklets. How are these impacting upon the students? My experience of top-class booklets, especially at health service level, is that they are sometimes delivered but sit in brown boxes in corners of rooms. What is the level of distribution of the booklets, and is the witness confident that the literature is getting into the hands of people who require them?

There were many questions and they could take some time to answer. I will deal with the issue of stigma first. Stigma has been reduced. In fundamentalist Muslim and Christian countries much stigma regarding suicide, along with mental illness, has existed. Such countries tend to have low suicide rates. The issue is complex, as in those countries there is tremendous integration of all elements in society, so many protective factors exist. Therefore, stigma is not the only issue. To think of stigma as being protective against suicide is somewhat simplistic, although many psychiatrists would agree with the notion.

We must also remember the hidden Ireland and what stigma has done for Irish people in the past. Stigma preceding the 1950s and 1960s has driven much pain, suffering and problems underground that cannot be measured by us. Many of the stigmatised people have gone abroad, and when such people go abroad, their suicide rates will be higher. One can look at research being done on the church and mosque as a healing centre. Unfortunately, stigma has driven other problems, such as sexual abuse, underground. Relating to this, sexual abuse is a risk factor for suicide, although I do not have specific statistics on this for Ireland or any other country currently.

I will leave most of the answer to the question on alcohol to my colleagues. The tables regarding alcohol on page 11 of my presentation detail that in many European countries, our EU partners, the level of alcohol consumption has dropped. This is especially true in countries such as France, where sponsorship of sporting events by alcohol producing companies has been abolished and there is a ban on advertising alcohol. In most of the countries in which alcohol consumption has been reduced, youth suicide rates have fallen. Another factor which could illustrate the association of alcohol and suicide is that in states of the United States where the legal consumption age for alcohol is 21 years of age, there are lower youth suicide rates than states where the legal age is 18 years of age. This is a telling statistic.

My colleagues will have much to say about the position of young men in society. I will deal with the issue of the media and suicide. We must be careful with this matter as it is a touchy subject. Research has illustrated that certain types of suicide portrayal in the media can glamorise, oversimplify and romanticise the topic. These portrayals can provide many details of the suicide and the method used, and they tend to promote suicide. For example, following the portrayal of a suicide in a soap opera, suicide and attempted suicide rates in many countries increase thereafter, judging by numbers of people present at emergency departments and mortuaries.

Research has also illustrated an unexpected rise in suicide rates when a celebrated person commits suicide, such as Dr. Ward, involved in the Profumo case; Marilyn Monroe; and various pop stars with which people, especially young people, can closely identify. This can be between 6% and 13%, depending on the standing of the celebrity who has committed suicide.

People who are most prone to copycat suicides are adolescents and the elderly. What they have in common is that both groups are disengaging from society; the young have not yet found their roles in society and the elderly are being made outcasts, as it were.

More than the reporting of the raw statistics, such as the method used or status of the individual, is required so that someone in responsibility can say it is his or her problem to deal with. For example, the North Eastern Area or the North Western Area of the Health Service Executive could observe a spate of suicides and ask what preventative measures it could take. This is the context in which I am speaking, not the manner in which a suicide takes place or whether it might spark a copycat suicide.

That is a question that must be asked of every HSE area. We are conscious that, when money has been set aside for suicide prevention programmes, it has sometimes been diverted into other services, which is most unfortunate. People must take responsibility for suicide, which the HSE certainly does, as there is a major role for it in combating and treating mental illness, a major factor in suicide. I hope this answers the Deputy's question sufficiently.

Members of the committee can have copies of the guidelines, which are contained in this pack. We are conscious that, while there is a problem with copycat suicides resulting from media portrayal of other suicides, the media are partners in promoting good mental health, educating people and making them aware of the issue of suicide, which can only have a beneficial effect. They also combat the stigma. Knowledge is power and power in this context is health. Knowledge can protect people where stigma drives the problem underground.

A question was raised about the booklets. When we produced our guidelines on suicide prevention in school, a copy was sent to every secondary school in the country. It is difficult to say how they were used but we are now consulting with a number of PhD psychology students to carry out a survey on what the uptake rate was in various schools. Many schools telephoned us and purchased additional copies. Obviously, those schools found the booklets interesting but the impact must be researched and examined.

Cognitive behavioural therapy was mentioned, which is one of many counselling therapies that are extremely useful. The evidence from research shows the types of psychotherapies and counselling techniques that are valuable in preventing suicidal behaviour are those that emphasise problem solving skills. What more can we say about the modernisation of the psychiatric services? The community care model is the model we should proceed with on the condition that acute psychiatric beds are not neglected and we remain aware that no one solution can fix all of the problems facing psychiatric services. We are keeping people in the community.

Providing a quality service is essential. Unfortunately, to a small extent in this country but a larger extent in the United Kingdom and the United States of America, community care has been an excuse for cutting back services and worsening the conditions of sufferers of psychiatric illnesses than needs to be the case.

I agree with Dr. Connolly's sentiments concerning keeping acute beds to complement the community service.

I wish to draw attention to the third and ninth graphs, which display very telling statistics concerning the role of alcohol in levels of youth suicide. In graph three, it states the male to female suicide ratio in this age group has been as high as 7:1. Graph nine shows a very worrying pattern of binge drinking, particularly among persons aged 16 to 24, which is the group in our society with the highest suicide rate, a factor requiring immediate attention. These statistics show that alcohol has a pivotal role to play in youth suicide, especially among young males. I have returned to this point and I hope the other members of the delegation will provide answers. The role of the drinks industry must come into focus. The range of alcopops that exists is aimed at young people. This is of extreme concern and action must be taken given the factors demonstrated in the two graphs presented by the delegation. I have known of the dangers in this area for quite some time, as have members of the delegation and the statistics prove it. A move must be made to address this particular matter. I hold an extremely strong opinion on that.

Does Dr. Connolly have information on suicide rates among those suffering from terminal illness, immigrants and Irish emigrants, particularly in England and the United States? It was mentioned during the presentation that 55% of people who attempt suicide unfortunately succeed on the first attempt. That means that almost half do not succeed. Has an in-depth study been done on those who do not succeed to understand why they wanted to take their own lives in the first place?

I will defer to my colleagues to answer the questions on alcohol and survivors of suicide attempts. Terminal illness was the subject of our recent conference in Armagh. We do not have data on Ireland. Presentations were made at the conference on the situation in the United States and the Netherlands. The speaker from the Netherlands felt the advent of assisted suicide and euthanasia had not increased the suicide rate, which is stable at an extremely low level.

Did the rate increase or decrease?

It did not increase. The research on that matter may be a little suspect.

Regarding the question on terminal illness, it is interesting to note that some of the graphs show the rate for the elderly in Ireland has fallen a little, which is to some extent a reflection on the better services and social welfare for the elderly. My colleagues, Dr. Brophy and Ms Cleary will answer the other questions in more detail.

Ms Anne Cleary

I work on research from two angles, examining statistics on the quantitative side and, on the qualitative side, I recently completed a project involving speaking with more than 50 young men who made a serious suicide attempt. That is one element of the study. I will briefly address some of the more quantitative elements raised by members of the sub-committee. It was asked why, if we are all so happy and content in this country, so many people commit suicide. That is an important question. Examining comparative data for Ireland and the rest of Europe from the ESRI or any other source, one sees that Ireland is an extremely content nation. Levels of well-being are extremely high. We are quite a happy and contented people. We feel good about ourselves. If one examines the statistics on suicide and attempted suicide, one will see that certain groupings are far more vulnerable than others. I feel strongly that one must examine a deconstruction of the overall figures. The overall figures are extremely important but they do not reveal details such as that rural men are extremely vulnerable to suicide. That must be emphasised because the reasons they are vulnerable are different from the reasons men in other areas are vulnerable. If one examines particular groupings, one sees that lower socio-economic groupings in some urban areas are extremely vulnerable. Once one can break it down into that kind of detail, one begins to be able to address preventative issues in a much more detailed and effective way. While generalised figures are excellent, in order to move on to prevention one must start looking at the detail and we have some good detail.

On the issue of alcohol, there are many interesting statistical associations between issues. For example, the committee will probably be aware that if one charts the entry of women in significant numbers into the labour market in any country such as America, any country in Europe or, from the 1970s, Ireland, one can find a direct association or mirror with the suicide rate, especially among men. The suicide rate for women also rises after the significant entry of women into the labour market but it drops off. For men, it continues to rise. There are many reasons for this and I will not go into them. My point is that there are many associations between developments in society but it does not mean they are causal.

The issue of alcohol is extremely complex. While some of the reasons stated earlier are important, another important issue around alcohol, which relates to another question asked by Senator Browne, is that alcohol is often used as a masking device in that young men will drink heavily because they have difficulties and are distressed. Alcohol is used to cover up their distress or depression. One must be careful; I suppose what I am trying to say is that the generalised issues are important but one needs to look at the detail.

On the qualitative study about which Senator Browne asked, the paper I have just published is "Death rather than Disclosure: struggling to be a real man." I will not give a detailed account of it but in many ways it sums up some of the issues raised already. The vast majority of these men who made serious attempts at suicide did not tell anyone about their distress. They did not tell their families, friends or work colleagues. Some of them engaged in hyper-performances. Not only did they try to hide it, but they went to the opposite direction by pretending they were the most sociable individuals and drank the heaviest. In fact, they went out of their way to show that they were feeling quite the opposite.

These kinds of issues are important for young men. They stated the reason they did not talk was that they saw it as letting themselves and their families down because it was seen as a failure by them, that it was seen as unmasculine behaviour to admit vulnerability, and that they had a strong sense that unmasculine behaviour was feminine type behaviour and it might even be seen somehow that they were vulnerable and maybe even gay. They had these real fears around the effeminacy of admitting vulnerability. What happened was as follows. When the problem was a small one, it was not discussed. There were no channels or outlets and it became a serious problem. By then, it was too difficult for them to disclose what was wrong.

Dr. Brophy

I will elaborate on some of those points. Ms Cleary is correct. The question of stigma has arisen. What has happened is that mental illness is much more stigmatised than suicide in Ireland and people would much rather die than admit any form of distress. While there has been a reduction in both stigma of suicide and mental illness, there is less stigma attached to suicide, which in some sense is also seen as a masculine resort when everything else has failed.

Like Senator Glynn, I have clear views on alcohol and alcopops. There has been an extremely clever and successful infiltration of all Irish cultural phenomena by the drinks industry. Every form of sporting activity and tourism activity and every joyous event has been infiltrated, marketed and, to some extent, cornered by the industry. This has led to a conflation in some minds between happiness and drunkenness. It is asked ask why so many people commit suicide given that we are so happy due to drink. With regard to specific types of alcohol, my research shows a clear association between beer consumption rates and suicide rates in young men, which is a proxy for the type of issues to which Dr. Cleary referred. To give a simple answer, if alcohol consumption rates are lowered, suicide rates will be lowered.

Alcopops are difficult to ban on an EU-wide basis, which is a problem, but they can be taxed out of the market. They were introduced in 1995 but there is not yet sufficient scientific data to prove conclusively the relationship between alcopop consumption and the increase in the number of young female suicides in Ireland. However, I have no doubt that alcopops are a factor. Their high potency, spirit based content, sugar and carbonation all serve to increase blood alcohol levels. This results in an increase in disinhibition with the result that one is more likely to harm oneself. Moreover, a person's mood is likely to drop in the period after taking the drink — the Monday morning — and this is one of the reasons why suicide peaks on Monday mornings. This process has contributed significantly to the attempted, completed and accidental suicide rates for young women, and the same applies to young men.

Spirit consumption has increased among older men. While it is a relatively small increase, it is associated with the slight increase in suicide rates. This is part of a wider process of marginalisation of vulnerable groups who use alcohol to try to cope. Alcohol is one of the most potent ways of lowering one's mood in the period after it is drunk. Cumulatively, the more a person drinks alcohol, the more he or she creates the circumstances of depression but also the chemistry of depression in the brain.

Ms Cleary

I did not go into the reasons for the difficulties among young men because I was simply explaining the process. One of the key reasons for the difficulties is with regard to relationships. This is connected to changing values and norms in society in that it is quite difficult for many young men to get access to any kind of stable relationship. The normal process of entering into longer-term relationships at a certain age is now a difficult one, particularly if the young man does not have a job or is not earning a certain amount. Young men have great difficulties with regard to entering relationships, the equality of relationships, the fact that young women are now more likely to move in and out of relationships and the issue of freer norms and values concerning sexuality. This has been the subject of research and is definitely evident among the young men to whom I spoke.

Dr. Brophy

I trained in the UK and shortly after I left the country, it introduced targets for reducing the level of suicide. At the time I thought this was amazing, brave and perhaps foolish. However, due to the introduction of targets, suicide rates have dropped there. I take the point that unless we have targets for suicide reduction at a local, regional and national level, a lot of the talk and service provision is meaningless. It would be helpful to introduce reasonable targets for the lowering of suicide rates. This would sharpen minds and give those involved a tremendous sense of satisfaction with their efforts. One of the greatest myths is that suicide rates cannot be lowered; they can, but this must be achieved in a businesslike way.

What were the interventions in the British model that worked to reduce suicide rates?

Dr. Brophy

One will get as many answers to that question as people one asks. Several interventions were important. Primary care is one, not just training for primary care but enabling primary care to cope and make a response to suicidal crisis. Cognitive behavioural therapy, CBT, while it is in place in the background, is not the only solution.

Another method is to target vulnerable population groups, such as the mentally ill and prisoners, and other population groups that are known to be highly vulnerable such that the rates among these groups can be lowered. One can operate at a national level and also in respect of a targeted population, much as is set out in the Reach Out document.

Another initiative that was very effective in the United Kingdom was the confidential inquiry into suicide and homicide in institutions and the country generally. It considered the risk factors and the circumstances in which suicide had occurred and also focused on how to make hospitals safer places, for instance.

Each year I table a parliamentary question to the Minister on funding suicide prevention. In one particular year, funding rose to €4.5 million, which was distributed through the former health boards. However, we do not know what happens it and I am always at a loss to find out where it is spent. If it is being targeted to address a certain problem, we should have acquired an outcome and an understanding of the reasons therefor.

When I discuss this with some people at coalface level in various Health Service Executive areas, I am told the funding is lost in the psychiatric services and not targeted specifically at suicide prevention. Dr. Brophy is practising in this area. If, after the budget, the Tánaiste and Minister for Health and Children says she will allocate €10 million for the reduction of suicide, with a recommendation that it be spent at the lowest level, thus having the greatest effect, how does Dr. Brophy recommend it be spent?

I have two questions, one of which is related to alcohol. Do the representatives accept that the problem of suicide has been complicated by the inordinate increase in the abuse of substances such as cannabis or cocaine in conjunction with alcohol? What is the suicide level among women who have had abortions?

Dr. Brophy

I will try to answer as best I can Deputy Neville's question on how best to spend the money. It should be spent in a transparent and targeted way. This relates to my previous point on regional suicide rates. In this regard, if the rate is high in Cork, the HSE authorities in that area should know about it and be able to track not only how the money is spent but also the yield from the spend. The problem can be very regional in that the suicide problem in Cork may be very different from that in Belfast, Dundalk or Wicklow. Therefore, one must ascertain what is locally relevant, determine what will work in the region in question and target the problem in the most creative and imaginative way.

Dr. Brian Jordan's work in Midleton serves as a great example. He is a general practitioner who set up men's group's in the Midleton area in response to a wave of suicide in that locality. I am sure this will yield phenomenal results in the fullness of time, not only in terms of reducing suicide in that locality but also in terms of improving self-esteem, coping skills and other measures of mental health among men. The response must be very local and does not have to cost a lot of money. However, a general spend will not suffice. Much of the funding is spent on suicide resource offices, which are very valuable local resources for training and information, but there is some distance between these offices and on-the-ground service delivery. This problem could be addressed by gearing service deliverers to deliver in a more focused way.

Cannabis, heroin and, to a lesser extent, ecstasy, and perhaps cocaine, the abuse of which is a growing problem, are complicating and worsening factors in regard to suicide. They are also distracting because the real problem is alcohol. While people who are poly-drug-dependent are much more likely to complete suicide, alcohol is the most relevant drug in nine cases out of ten.

Ms Cleary

As regards putting people in particular places, in one of the hospitals where I carried out this research among young men, a nurse has been appointed to follow the progress of each person who attempts suicide. Obviously the young person will be seen by the psychiatric liaison team, but he will then be monitored on leaving the hospital. The hospital has dedicated a nurse to this area. As regards abortion, there is no association between it and suicide.

The money will be swallowed up by the psychiatric services. If money is to be set aside for suicide it will have to be for a particular targeted pilot project or specific named individuals who will monitor people who have attempted suicide. That is the only way around the problem. The €6 million or so allocated for this year will be swallowed up. It it not possible to provide an audit to indicate where the money has gone to, for example in the case of schizophrenia, because there are so many deaths from that condition, which we are trying to prevent. The money must be targeted and pilot projects established in the community——

Ms Cleary

A first presentation is about to start in St. John of God's, I believe.

That is the way forward. If extra resources are to be pumped in, they must be targeted in that direction.

Some HSE areas argue that if they want to reduce suicide they must deal with depression and schizophrenia and the resources are going into the original psychiatric services even though they were originally targeted for suicide. That was never the original objective because there is a budget for the psychiatric services, however inadequate it may be. When moneys are being dedicated towards suicide prevention, that should be a different target area. I wonder whether Professor Fitzgerald has a view on this.

We must move on.

My question is about immigrants and emigrants, as to whether there is any data on those groups.

Dr. Brophy

There is no current data on migrants. There is anecdotal data to the effect that the suicide rate has increased as regards migrants to Ireland. International studies suggest that being a migrant is a risk factor in suicide. The rates of suicide and mental illness among Irish nationals living abroad is certainly higher. In the UK, ethnic groups have the highest rates of mental illness and suicide. It is very high and relates to failure to integrate, as well as alcoholism, social isolation, low marriage rates and poverty, all of which contribute. Irish migrants in the US and Canada fair badly also, but not as bad as in the UK. It is important to try to target services for new migrants to Ireland, because they often live in temporary accommodation, with very poor English, poor knowledge of or access to services and are very vulnerable. We need to look after them because we know what conditions are like, based on the lot of the Irish who have lived abroad in similar circumstances.

In reply to Deputy Neville, I want to say a few words about where the money should go. We talk about suicide prevention programmes on page 12 of our report and outline five or six areas that are evidence based as regards suicide prevention. These include training of primary health care personnel, helplines in crisis centres — which must be adequately staffed by suitably trained personnel — suicide prevention programmes for schools, diagnosis and treatment of psychiatric illness, restriction of access to means and improving the portrayal of suicide in the media. Those are research based findings and such initiatives work and have an effect on the suicide rates. That is an area in which we have to invest.

The other area that we have to invest in is research. As Dr. Cleary said earlier, both at national and local levels, that is from where some of the answers are going to come. The area in which funding needs to be spent is in fostering the role of voluntary organisations because these organisations are a bridge between departments in hospitals and the general community. They have a very important watchdog role to play in ensuring that people are aware of the problems involved and in making sure that the agenda for suicide prevention does not disappear from the public arena. They would also have a role in monitoring progress of the suicide prevention strategy.

We will now wrap this session up. I thank the witnesses for their presentation. One of the most important points made was in regard to the mental health budgets. By making recommendations, it is up to us to see if we can secure an increase in those budgets. We will collate everything that has been said today in our report.

I thank my colleagues in the association for their excellent presentation. The committee has now seen the expertise that is in the association and we must get the State to invest in that expertise, which is available to the Chairman, the committee, the Minister or anyone who wishes to draw from it.

As we prepare our report, we will take into consideration how we might address the issue of high suicide rates and we will try to harness the expertise that exists rather than just roll out a ten year report.

I thank the Chairman and the committee for giving us the opportunity to present our case.

Sitting suspended at 3.52 p.m. and resumed 3.55 p.m.

I welcome Dr. Niall McElwee, who is from the midlands.

I did not realise Dr. McElwee was here.

I have heard Dr. McElwee give a presentation of his book, Darkness on the Edge of Town: Exploring Heroin Misuse in Athlone and Portlaoise, relating to substance abuse and misuse in the midlands. Moreover, as he has also built up a tremendous level of research and expertise, he has been invited to appear before the sub-committee today. I ask Dr. McElwee to present his submission.

Dr. Niall McElwee

I thank the Chair and members for the kind invitation to appear before the sub-committee. I feel somewhat naked in comparison to the previous group of five, as I sit here alone. I wish someone was sitting beside me to hold my hand.

I should state at the outset that while I am not an expert on suicide per se, I have spent the last 15 years researching, lecturing and working in the direct area of social care provision for the most marginalised and vulnerable children, young people and adolescents. This afternoon, I will limit most of my observations to three particular areas, namely, social care provision in Ireland, the midlands, as there is some interest in that respect, and the third level environment. I have brought some statistics which I believe will be discussed at a forum like this for the first time today.

I am also pleased that a number of areas on which I wanted to focus have already been raised. Specifically, I wish to discuss the role of males. The members all have a copy of one of my books, Where Have All the Good Men Gone: Exploring Males in Social Care in Ireland. It was a national study and I want to discuss some of its findings relating to self-harm and suicide. I also wish to note that my opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent Athlone Institute of Technology as an institution.

Having listened to the last couple of speakers' contributions, I will begin at the end of my paper. In the time which I will have taken to travel to Dublin from the midlands and back again by train today, eight people in Ireland and the United Kingdom will have died by suicide. Approximately one suicide takes place every 82 minutes in the United Kingdom and Ireland. It is an extremely serious issue. There have been a number of common threads in the conversations, meetings and work which I have carried out over the last 15 years, with regard to children, youth at risk, adults involved in prostitution, adults involved in heroin misuse and males and females involved in social care provision. If pressed to prioritise those categories of people, I might state that the most common threads I have found are loneliness, isolation, a perceived inability to cope, being fed up with life and fear of change. Each attribute runs across different areas to different extents.

The tragedy with suicide is that much more could be done to hold individuals back from the edge of darkness. I feel we must be unambiguous in our messages to people at risk from suicide. While there is a feeling in society that suicide is in some way heroic, it leaves a significant void for those left behind. A number of options exist. While it is easy to tell suicidal people that there are options, they simply do not see them, which must be taken into account in terms of providing resources for mental and physical health.

In my career as a researcher and academic, I have encountered suicide and parasuicide quite frequently, although one might not expect to witness it in that setting. However, third level students are no different to other populations of Irish people. I now take the issue of suicide so seriously that I trained myself in a programme called ASIST, applied suicide interventions skills training, which has been rolled out by all the health boards. I recommend this training programme to anybody with an interest in the area of suicide. It is a two-day programme and it is very interesting in terms of giving us the skills to deal with people who are suicidal at a particular moment in time.

Psychological stress was mentioned in the last presentation, and there was much talk about stigma. If we consider one survey, for example, of 1,000 adults in Ireland aged 15 and above, 73% have had some experience of mental illness in respect of people to whom they are close, many of those either themselves or their direct family members, yet there are many misconceptions and misperceptions around mental illness and these need to be challenged. Some of the worst misperceptions are that the most challenging concern are those for males under the age of 25 and over the age of 65. In other words, it is difficult to convince young and older males about positive mental health. There are a number of reasons for that to which I alluded earlier.

The comedian, Denis Leary, who comes to the festivals here on regular occasions, used to make a joke that when he first came to Ireland, people on the streets of the capital city were exploding around him, so pent up were they with emotions and frustrations. It is fair to say that, traditionally, the Irish drank away their troubles or sorrows and it has required a significant world-view change for us to look to alternatives. To give an example, nine years ago, 5,000 people were admitted to psychiatric care for alcohol-related disorders alone. The airways, the Internet and counselling therapy have largely replaced the Catholic confessional with the unrelenting secularisation of Irish society but they have proven to have many challenges.

I state again that suicide should not be a taboo subject in our school system. Children and youth now have access to immediate information on suicide, on ways of killing oneself, on groups that are supportive of suicide and on means of hiding suicidal thoughts and feelings from parents or care-givers in a way that is new, ever-changing and largely invisible to those of us who are not conversant with chat rooms, message and bulletin board phenomena. At the same time, fewer and fewer youth are interested in attending and participating in Mass and religious ceremonies and we know from historical evidence that whatever else religion does, it acts as some form of social cement for people.

Following on a thread from that, one of the ironic findings from a study I co-authored on heroin misuse in the midlands is that a number of users are falling through the cracks of duplicated service provision, about which I want to refer briefly. One of the experiences in the midlands, and I am talking specifically about the towns of Athlone and Portlaoise, is that between 70 and 300 people were misusing heroin at various levels. Quite a number of those had expressed suicidal thoughts in the past. A number of people in the study were reported as having overdosed on purpose by injecting heroin. Although the death was recorded as a heroin-related death, the family members to whom we spoke said it was suicide.

The figures for suicide are significant. A total of 400,000 people throughout the world kill themselves on an annual basis but suicide has always been a very difficult subject to discuss and we need to be wary of the figures that are thrown around. If we take a pan-global perspective, for example, we realise immediately that precise statistics on suicide are entirely problematic due to, for example, the methods in establishing death, the varying registration and coding procedures, and indigenous social and cultural practices. I presented a paper at a Samaritans conference in Waterford a number of years ago where the county coroner started his paper by saying that he disregarded a number of traditional ways of reporting suicide and formed his own opinion, which I thought was rather ironic in terms of figures. From the various sets of statistics we now understand that approximately 5% under-reporting occurs in the country.

It was mentioned earlier that suicide is the most common cause of death in Ireland among those aged between 15 and 24 and the statistics illustrate that nearly a quarter of all Irish suicides just five years ago involved people between those ages. In 2001, there were 448 suicides and in 2002 there were 451. The figure is staying in the 400s — over one suicide per day.

To refer briefly to male suicide, there is no doubt that young Irish males are at particular risk, with the national suicide review group noting that the suicide figure for males between the ages of 15 and 19 is now 19 per 100,000. In fact, the risk of dying by suicide for young males is four times that of their female counterparts. It is a fact that more females attempt suicide; fewer males attempt it but they are more successful. It is also worth mentioning that rural male suicide is on the increase as compared to urban male suicide, and few statutory or voluntary agencies are focusing on the problem of suicide among men in rural areas.

In 1990 in Ireland, 366 males died through suicide but a decade later, in 2000, that figure had risen to 471. Despite the many advances in Irish society over the years, young Irish males continue to report difficulties in attempting to articulate their emotions or asking for help. We heard that from the last delegation.

In 1998, seven times as many men as women took their own lives in Ireland, which at the time was the highest ratio in the world. It surprises many people to hear that twice as many females attempt suicide but that males are more successful. In a national study I conducted with some colleagues a couple of years ago, out of 2,500 students in the Higher Educational Training Awards Council, HETAC, and the Dublin Institute of Technology, DIT, sector only 129 were males. The most vulnerable in Irish society will typically end up in care of the State. Because of the low number of males registered to be front-line child and youth care workers and social care workers, a number of male and female children will have no positive male role models in their lives. Because of the way the system is constructed, they will experience only female care givers, gardaí and probation workers. Their experience of men will be as absent or poor fathers, violent men, men taking multiple partners into the home and a culture of dependence and unemployment. In the next five to ten years there will be a significant problem with the young children currently in the care system coming out with few positive male role models to change things for them.

Looking back to my school career in Galway, my male peers were largely socialised to appear to be in control, to be mentally and physically strong and to take risks. One of the delegates mentioned sport in this context. Little has changed. Males still dominate the same professions they did 20 years ago. There are far more males in psychiatric nursing than general nursing, in secondary school teaching than primary school teaching, and there are few males involved in early learning environments. The lack of male role models is such a serious issue that the Department of Education and Science is considering allocating male applicants percentages based purely on their gender. Males in school are often streamed into contact sports where they learn to "be the best they can be" and where active competition is encouraged. Males engage in more risk behaviours than females, for example men consume three times as much alcohol as females, they binge drink more often and have greater adverse consequences than their female peers. Many male suicides take place with alcohol present.

The social construction of masculinity has been shown to play a role in their substance misuse, and that was the case with a number of interviewees in the midlands regional study on heroin misuse. The male fascination with and respect for violence is often tied with proving their manhood. The Samaritans organisation in the UK and Ireland has 70% female and 30% male volunteers. This is not an area that males are moving into.

Returning to the midlands regional heroin abuse study, another common thread we found was an absence of positive male role models, in this case father figures. Consistency, mutuality and reciprocity are crucial in helping a child develop secure attachments. If strong attachments are not made, it is more difficult for a teen or young adult to find their path in life. This issue of missing males plays a strong role in self harm and suicide in males. Research has shown that even more deaths could result from deliberate intentions, for example late night single car crashes involving particular males. One estimate for this is 20% but the Foundation for Suicidology puts the figure closer to 6%.

Male suicide deaths are typically violent ones, the preferred methods being hanging, followed by poisoning, firearm use and drowning. There are issues around access to means. I wonder if more work could be done with DIY stores, builders providers and pharmacies and their staff. Is there any screening when young males buy certain types of products? My own research into at-risk behaviours over the years illustrates that suicide leaves an incredible vacuum in the lives of survivors, namely family members, friends and colleagues.

I have worked in third level college environments for the last 15 years. The 18 to 25 year age group is particularly vulnerable. Third level students are at a particular stage of transition in their lives. They face several significant new stresses such as being away from home, locating and securing accommodation, meeting and fitting in with new peer groups, managing finances, attending classes and undertaking assignments in a new and impersonal environment. There is a sea change in the daily life of a leaving certificate student when he or she comes in to a third level environment. The Association of University and College Counsellors noted the increasingly diverse profile of the student population in Ireland which now includes "an increasing number of students from backgrounds where they have struggled with particular challenges such as physical, learning and mental health disability, socio-economic disadvantage, membership of highly marginalised communities and refugees."

Suicide is a fact at third level. Last year, for example, three female students who were attending one university were reported in the local media as having killed themselves, one before Christmas and two just afterwards. In each of the three cases, a book of condolences was set up and student and staff representatives attended the funerals. This is heartbreaking for college communities.

In preparing for this presentation I asked a number of college counsellors what was the situation. An interesting reply I received was that given a student population of between 10,000 and 15,000 in a five year period, 14 to 15 student deaths would be expected, that is, two to three per year and of these deaths, suicide would probably account for one third. There is also an issue in the students who are dying from violent accidents such as road traffic accidents that these are suicide, deliberate deaths.

College counsellors in Ireland report that the three most common reasons they are consulted by their students on suicide are: personal suicide ideation-behaviours, concern about other persons' suicide ideation-behaviours and bereavement by suicide of someone in their life. At this stage we know what to look for, at least, within the third level community, and yet the resources remain scarce.

We also know that there are a number of student subgroups that are more at risk of suicidal ideation than others. These students include, for example, students who are gay, lesbian or bisexual. These students express being more depressed, being more lonely and having fewer reasons to live than their peers. This is a significant figure, depending on whose research one believes. The credible figure for the homosexual-lesbian population is between 3% and 10%. That represents many students.

From experience of working in three third level colleges not based in the capital, I can state that there are significant barriers to coming out if one is gay, lesbian or bisexual. Indeed, it takes a very strong person to declare this publicly. It is the students who live these unfulfilled lives who are tragic when we see how far this country has come in its sexual secularisation.

In the early 1990s I was involved in establishing a student phoneline service for students at the Waterford Institute of Technology. We operated a shift roster system within the college. We received calls and students came forward for individual counsel. Third level college communities are large places with a considerable student mix, including urban-rural, male-female, young-mature and working-non-working. It is unhelpful to merely think of them in terms of the college existence. All belong to some form of community, even if they have withdrawn or feel isolated from that community at that point in time.

It has proved impossible for me to collate national figures for suicide in third level in Ireland today. That is because the different colleges use differing methodologies in maintaining their statistical information. In my presentation, I give examples of statistics that I could collate. One will see that in two of the colleges, the number of clients or students presenting for counselling in the medium to high-risk categories have increased, in one college from 18 to 26 and in another from 26 to 59. Surprisingly, one would have thought, the third college saw a decrease in students coming forward for counselling with suicidal thoughts and feelings. Therefore, it is not true to say that all the colleges are experiencing this problem to the same extent. Each college is experiencing the issues around suicide in a slightly different format.

Statistics are excellent but I want to personalise the issue again. I mentioned that there is a suicide every 82 minutes. It seems reasonable to suggest that we have failed to engage adequately with many persons who have felt suicidal in this country. How can we explain the suicide of two male and two female Irish children under the ages of 14 just two years ago? I remember when I started my career in social care in 1992, I was told by a fairly eminent individual that children under the age of ten did not get clinically depressed. We have certainly learnt a great deal in the past 15 years in that regard.

As a sporting man, I will put some figures in context. Imagine if we just took the figure for male suicides between the ages of 15 and 24 in the period 1997 to 2001, which was 446. This is the equivalent of 42 soccer teams or 31 rugby teams simply missing from any tournament we might want to host. In the case of female suicides aged between 15 and 24 over the same period, we could have enjoyed eight ladies' soccer teams or six camogie teams, had these women lived and chosen another path. With the death of every person comes the loss of a lived library of life. A death through suicide can affect any one of us, although all of us hope that our families will not be the ones to suffer. Thankfully, suicide is now understood to be a very serious concern in Irish society.

My brief recommendations are as follows. With regard to the colleges, it would seem appropriate that a national database be developed which could be used across all third level counselling services, as is the case in the UK. Any public health strategy must be more flexible and age and gender appropriate than they have been to date. They should be proofed with what has been described as "the ordinary decent citizen" and made accessible in a language and medium that is understood by the people to whom the service is being delivered. Dedicated funding should be made available to college staff to undertake programmes such as the ASIST programme.

Effective communication lines should be generated between and within agencies involved in mental health and social care provision. I cannot overemphasise the number of times during the course of the midlands heroin study that we were told by service users of service agencies and family members of heroin misusers that they were continually missed and falling through the cracks. Families should be a major point of contact in addition to the presenting person at risk. To simply see each person as a person in his or her own right is to miss the wider ecological debate. Male peer group interaction with mental health themes should be encouraged on a regional basis. We know from research that fewer than one in five males present to a GP when feeling depressed or suicidal.

Dr. McElwee's paper is an excellent one and much work has gone into it. I would like to go through it in detail but I am not sure we will do it justice in the short time available to us. The report contains some frightening statistics, such as the fact that one suicide takes place in Britain every 82 minutes, which makes me wonder what is our response to suicide and whether we simply accept it.

Dr. McElwee referred to a telephone survey of 1,000 people. Some 73% indicated that they had suffered some form of mental illness. This raises the question of how mental illness is defined and our general perception of it. If a person has a low or high mood, is that a mental illness? What are the determining factors? That 73% of respondents agreed they suffered from mental illness is a very high percentage.

The report refers to the effect the lack of males working in this area will have on society. I share this concern. It is frightening that the HETAC and DIT social care programmes have only 130 male students out of 2,500 students. Will the educational system or society try to change this balance? I would like Dr. McElwee to expand on this point, which sets alarm bells ringing. The response would be different if there were only 130 female students. We talk about proofing courses in certain ways, even if only for entry to a bank job, so that there is not an imbalance between males and females. The matter deserves consideration.

Dr. McElwee referred to a national database among his recommendations. This would be useful. He stated that any public health strategy must be more flexible and age and gender appropriate and that they should be proofed with what he described as "the ordinary decent citizen". Will he expand on this point? Such a strategy should be proofed.

With regard to screening purchases by males, I do not think this can become a reality. Depending on the person selling the product, it would get to the point where weedkiller or a pair of swimming trunks could not be sold. This would be particularly difficult to police.

I agree with Deputy Connolly that Dr. McElwee has presented an excellent document. I am not being patronising and mean what I say. The document is useful and touches on all of the areas about which one should be concerned. Dr. McElwee drew an interesting conclusion pertaining to the number of males in psychiatric nursing as compared to general nursing. I have been raising this issue for quite some time. I am a former psychiatric nurse and I know of a number of young men who tried to enter general nursing but who did not even make it past the first hurdle. In other words, they were not short-listed. Over the years I supervised for An Bord Altranais and noted that one would be lucky to see one male in general nursing. There is no doubt that some very serious questions must be asked.

On the recommendations, I absolutely agree that dedicated moneys should be made available to college staff to undertake programmes such as the ASIST programme. Females are more inclined than their male counterparts to talk about their problems. It is not regarded as macho or manly for males to do so. To use an old term, it is regarded as "sissy". It is a question of relating to college staff and I assume this includes student leaders.

No. 5 on the list of recommendations in Dr. McElwee's presentation concerns one of the most important support structures for young people, particularly young males, namely, the family. In cases where a suicide is committed by someone who appears to have everything going for him, it emerges, when the facts start to filter through, that the lines of communication were not as they should have been. In other words, it emerges that Johnny or Paddy had withdrawn into himself and was not communicating.

Parents should listen to their children, be they teeny-boppers, adolescents or late teens. I made reference to this in respect of child sexual abuse. Parents should always listen to their children because, regrettably, circumstances have evolved in which young people who try to tell their parents about a problem are dismissed and told they should be out playing hurling or football. The parents should be their first point of support and contact. The dismissal of children's problems drives them into a shell or drives them underground, as stated by Dr. Connolly. It is, therefore, ,important that parents listen to their children.

What is Dr. McElwee's opinion on helplines? He will be aware that the former Midland Health Board had a helpline, which I understand is now operated by the HSE midland area. The message sent out urges one not to get down but to get help. What sort of structures of this nature exist within the second level and third level institutions?

Dr. McElwee

Senator Glynn's first point on the changing understanding of mental illness is interesting. In my paper, I alluded to gay, lesbian and bisexual students. Homosexuality was actually listed as a mental illness on the psychiatric DSM scale until fairly recently. It was suddenly removed and placed in a different category. There is no doubt that changes in thinking move what are termed "illnesses" in and out of different scales.

I feel very passionate about the issue of males in social care because I have been involved in this area for the past 15 years. I recently wrote a paper called "Knowing the Price of Nail Polish", which was so called because it referred to a male student in his 40s who was in a class of 14 women in year four of a degree programme in Cork. He stated that, after one year of study, he knew more about "Coronation Street" and nail polish than he did about what he was supposed to be studying because he continually held back in any conversations or class discussions that were taking place. Each time he tried to say something, the peer group would interrupt and say that he would make such a comment, that his remarks were typically male, etc. He dropped out of the programme. Here was another example of a well-meaning male who, for various reasons, drops out of the caring services.

As regards male and female children in the care of the State at present, I am concerned about the role models they see. In the absence, for example, of a day-to-day positive male role model, the types of substitutes they look to are very wealthy sportsmen, pop or rock singers, rap stars, etc. Many of the young children I have interviewed are looking towards life situations they will never experience and they become upset over a period of months or years about the reality of their own existence.

The issue of proofing of documents and materials is very important. In recent years I have attended countless seminars, organised by both the statutory and voluntary sectors, where information and materials were given out that various sections of the people who were present just did not understand. This may have been due to the fact that jargon was used or that the material was age inappropriate for the group in attendance. It would be useful for any material being developed for a particular category to be tested in advance with the relevant group. It is also crucial that each category of people, whether children, youths, a gay population or students, should be involved when the design commences. They should not be brought in eight or nine points through the programme and their seal of approval sought.

We have found in recent years that if people have an emotional investment in something, whether it is a programme of study, a particular product or whatever, they will try much harder to see that it works. I would like to see that happening. The committee may be aware of a book we published in 2000, Worthy not Worthwhile: Choosing Careers in Caring Occupations, which is a study of males in psychiatric nursing in Ireland. One of the quotes in that study was that psychiatric nursing for men was a worthy area but that it was not worthwhile. Neither was general nursing. There are serious issues about males coming into and staying in psychiatric nursing, and males even applying in the first instance to general nursing.

One might ask what all this has to do with suicide. There are a number of connecting threads. The images and day-to-day lives that children, youths and young adults have greatly impact on whether they come forward to seek service provisions later in their lives, particularly at points when they are most vulnerable.

Dr. Siobhán Barry

Page 4 of the report states that there is no statutory or voluntary agency focusing on the problem of suicide in rural areas and the reference is from Butler and Phelan. Their paper refers to County Kilkenny. Are their findings specific to County Kilkenny? I understood that Macra had started some type of initiative for rural people in terms of suicide.

Dr. McElwee

It is specific to County Kilkenny. I have just published that reference in my own journal, the Irish Journal of Applied Social Studies, this week and I would be happy to send the committee seven or eight copies.

I thank Dr. McElwee for the book.

I also thank Dr. McElwee for an excellent paper and presentation. The underlying theme to emerge, both from his and the previous presentation, is the whole issue of funding. Very important recommendations were made in the Irish Association of University and College Counsellors' submissions on a national strategy. Recommendations Nos. 2, 3, 7, 8 and 9 emphasise the issue of funding. The Government must recognise that all the advice from professional bodies that have appeared before this sub-committee centres around the issue of core funding. In particular, the previous presentation referred to the issue of funding for mental health.

It has been made particularly clear to the sub-committee by Senator Glynn and Deputies Connolly and Neville that core funding for mental health is wholly inadequate. It is also significant that whatever funding is being made available is being swallowed up in this particular sector.

We want to make specific recommendations that can be seen as a follow through when we come to write our report in the next few weeks. Despite the good intentions of the Government in suggesting a strategy, unless specific core funding is directed towards mental health, and especially towards ways and means of reducing suicide levels, we will make no impression whatsoever. What are Dr. McElwee's views on funding? Are we meeting the targets? Does he feel that what we have proposed so far will make any difference?

Dr. McElwee

Fidel Castro once famously said that the problem with democracy arose every four years. It is extremely difficult when there are so many different categories of people at risk seeking resources for so many different areas. Having said that, the loss of any one person should be seen as the loss of an Irish library of experience and potential experience that person might have. I do not think that there are enough resources put into mental health, particularly in the area of suicide prevention. It was mentioned earlier that there is a problem in distributing money when it comes into different services. I would like to see more transparency. If a certain amount of money is put into a particular HSE area or service, we should be able to discover exactly how that money is spent and what kind of measurable outcomes are set up when deciding what amount of money goes where.

The short answer is that there are not enough resources in this area, but the corollary is not to put resources into this area is absolutely catastrophic, both in economic terms for the State and in personal terms for the families, friends and colleagues left behind by suicide victims.

I keep referring back to the event that occurred some months ago in County Leitrim, where three brothers came together and presented a conference on suicide. Did Dr. McElwee attend that conference?

Dr. McElwee

No, but I read about it.

The one issue that kept coming back from that conference was that the political process and the governmental process were not tuned into the needs of families that have been bereaved. They were certainly not tuned into the fallout from suicide. Does Dr. McElwee feel now that more has been done or is he of the opinion that the Government initiative on suicide prevention is enough? Will it make a difference?

Dr. McElwee

It has made a difference. It is not enough because there are still people committing suicide on a daily basis, so there is clearly slippage and failure in the system. It was mentioned that we do not hear the success stories about suicide as much as we might. We do not hear someone coming back saying that were it not for the intervention of the health service, he or she would have been a suicide victim. I would like to see research on people who unsuccessfully attempt suicide to find out why they were not successful in committing the act. What was the trajectory of service access available to them along that path? We interviewed a number of people for the heroin misuse study who were happier in services in which most of us would think they would not be happy. We interviewed a chap from the midlands who spoke about the hots, the cots and the meals he was receiving in Mountjoy Prison. An individual who was addicted to heroin in Portlaoise ended up in Mountjoy Prison, in a cell with his first cousin from Portlaoise. He was getting three hot meals and a roof over his head for the first time in his life.

The issue of funding has arisen at every session of this sub-committee. If funding is to be successful, it cannot just be tossed into the mental health pot. The overall funding has dropped to 6.6% of the total health budget. Someone might state that it should be 6.8% or 7% and that will take care of the suicide programmes. Whatever is released must be towards targeting suicide. We must be able to see that the money is specifically set aside and is not just the broad stroke of money going towards depression, schizophrenia and so on. It must go to target groups, GPs or whatever. It must be clearly identifiable in terms of persons employed within the service and those who follow up from accident and emergency, people who present at accident and emergency departments and who are in the high risk category, people who present to GPs where the GP might have a suspicion about their likely behaviour and so on. This money should be specifically targeted and not just tossed into the pot. It will then be found that salaries, wages and expenses have risen. All these expenses must come from funding relating to suicide. It will never mean anything unless it is specifically targeted.

Dr. McElwee

I would like to see funding provided for outreach workers in the area of suicide. They would be dedicated posts which would be created and connected to accident and emergency units, GP surgeries and social care environments. The outreach workers would be given a portfolio of clients to follow up, in order to establish how they were getting on over time.

I asked the previous delegation about GP training. Given that, in the main, GPs are the first point of contact for people suffering from psychiatric illness, does Dr. McElwee accept that they must be trained above and beyond their current level? What is the situation in respect of Dr. McElwee's institute of technology? Are there any in-house psychiatric services or linked services with, for example, St. Loman's Hospital, Mullingar, or St. Fintan's Hospital, Portlaoise? What psychological services are provided by Athlone Institute of Technology?

Dr. McElwee

I apologise, I forgot about the Senator's question in respect of the college. The colleges have done much work recently with regard to the issues of suicide and suicide awareness. My college, Athlone Institute of Technology, has a counselling service that is connected to the health promotion office and suicide awareness officer of the HSE midlands area. It is also connected to a number of hospitals, including St. Loman's Hospital, Portiuncula Hospital, Ballinasloe, and, in the western area health board, University College Hospital, Galway.

If any deaths take place within the college, protocols have been put in place as to how they are to be approached. This contrasts with how they were approached in the past. Staff in my school have all recently undergone student dignity training. While one might think it is rather surprising, we learned a number of lessons about the practise of stopping students in corridors or in front of their peers to ask them why they did not attend class. While one may have meant well, in terms of drawing in such students, they might not have been in class because they were with a counselling officer or something similar. The colleges are all increasing the skill levels of their staff with regard to awareness of mental health issues and suicide. In my college, a number of training sessions in respect of suicide issues and mental health awareness are held during the year and are useful.

While this is the first time I have heard reference to student dignity training, it makes much sense. People must be extremely sensitive in that area.

Dr. McElwee

In particular, members of staff can use language and isolate students in a well-meaning way. This has the effect of causing students to have even less self-esteem and to feel even more isolated, so that they move away from their peer group and so on.

On behalf of the sub-committee, I thank Dr. McElwee. It has been a most interesting afternoon. If there is any matter of which Dr. McElwee believes the sub-committee, as it progresses towards producing a report, should be made aware, we would appreciate it if he would bring it to our attention.

The sub-committee adjourned at 4.40 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 15 November 2005.

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