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Joint Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government debate -
Wednesday, 23 Jan 2019

Irish National Election Study: Discussion

Apologies have been received from Deputy O'Dowd. Members and visitors in the Gallery are requested by the broadcasting and recording services to ensure that, for the duration of the meeting, their mobile telephones are turned off completely or switched to airplane mode, safe mode or flight mode, depending on their device. It is not sufficient just to put telephones in silent mode as it would interfere with the broadcasting system.

I have to step out for a few minutes. Senator Boyhan has agreed to take the Chair.

I welcome to the meeting representatives of the Irish national election and referendum study: Dr. Jane Suiter, Professor David Farrell and Dr. Theresa Reidy. Before we begin, I draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given, and they are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I invite Dr. Reidy to make her opening statement.

Senator Victor Boyhan took the Chair.

Dr. Theresa Reidy

I thank the committee for the opportunity to engage in this public consultation. I am speaking on behalf of my colleagues, Professor Farrell and Dr. Suiter, but also on behalf of a wider group of political scientists who work on elections and referendum research in most of our universities.

Ireland has a long and proud democratic tradition. Citizens have quite high levels of trust in the electoral process, and participation in elections and referendums has been stable, although at a relatively modest level, over recent decades. Audits of Ireland's electoral processes conducted by the Electoral Integrity Project confirm there are high levels of integrity and trust in the process among citizens but they highlight a number of problematic areas that are sometimes obscured by the overall trust levels. These include the electoral registration process, party financing and access to the electoral process for women and minorities.

Irish democracy is resilient and it emerged more diverse from the economic crisis, but this has not been the experience everywhere. The rise of radical-right populist parties and violent-protest social movements in a number of states points to high levels of voter dissatisfaction and clear points of weakness in democratic politics. Democracy is not an inevitable political outcome. We have seen considerable democratic backsliding around the world in recent decades, which highlights the need to nurture and invest in the democratic process.

Elections and referendums are the cornerstone of our democracy. In recognition of this, we are here today to argue for the creation of a permanent democratic audit process, which would be a study of each referendum and election. In most democracies funding is provided, usually to the political science community, to carry out elections and referendum research. This research generates evidence that is usually used to inform public debates, shape policy-making and enhance political campaigns. It can be used not just by political scientists but also by members of parliament, the policy-making community, political parties, and civil and voluntary organisations. The evidence is used widely.

A funded election study was put in place between 2002 and 2007 and operated through the Irish Research Council but since then political scientists have been unable to secure consolidated funding for election or referendum research. In 2011 and again in 2016, political scientists scraped together funding to study the elections in those years but the resources were hardly sufficient to produce the type of study required for a proper democratic audit. Referendum voting has never been studied systematically. Any research that has been carried out has been ad hoc and the objectives are shaped by the priorities of the funding agency or commissioning agency, which is often a newspaper, RTÉ or a Department. Departments are usually interested when a referendum fails. We know a great deal about why people do not vote for things but a lot less about why they do vote for them. This is an unusual position to be in.

A national election and referendum study would provide an in-depth understanding of the way representative democracy functions in Ireland. It would deliver unique insights into Irish public opinion, political participation, attitudes towards politics and explanations of electoral outcomes. The data from 2002 to 2007, and the partial studies in 2011 and 2016, have been used by Oireachtas committees, broadcasters, political parties and civil and voluntary organisations. The evidence collected has informed debates and public policy in areas including voter registration, political education, reform of political institutions and populist political communication. Ireland is an old democracy, celebrating its centenary this week. It has much to offer in terms of its democratisation and consolidation experience, and it is frequently included in international studies. Although the election and referendum research conducted in Ireland has often been imperfect due to the lack of funding, the Irish experience of democracy has been central in informing policy debates internationally on political institutions, electoral reform and electoral integrity.

The form and scale of election and referendum studies vary around the world but the research is usually conducted in the pre and post-vote stages and involves questionnaires administered by professional polling companies. Most of the questions included in the surveys are tailored to the political environment in Ireland but there are some questions from cross-national studies, and that facilitates international comparison and the location of Ireland in a wider experience of democracy. It also enhances the quality and usefulness of the data generated. The topics covered are diverse but in recent election research in Ireland, questions have been asked on attitudes about the following: political institutions; the role and performance of public representatives; populist political views; and reasons for voting and non-voting, which are important because there is much interest in these. Those questions were possible in the period 2002 to 2007, when there was better funding. We have had questions on political reform and political values.

Between 2002 and 2007, the funding for the election study came from a combination of the Programme for Research in Third-Level Institutions and the Irish Research Council. Owing to changes in the funding environment due to the economic crisis, it has not been possible to secure a regular funding source for election and referendum research, and only very limited studies were possible on the elections in 2011 and 2016, using ad hoc arrangements. No funding has ever been provided on a permanent footing for referendum research. Small amounts of funding have been secured from RTÉ, Google and sometimes the Houses of the Oireachtas to put together the smaller studies but they have been very imperfect.

I highlight in particular the marriage and abortion referendums, in which there has been huge international interest. Despite this interest, there has been very limited research conducted in Ireland on those referendums.

Since 2007, political scientists have engaged with the Irish Research Council, the Central Statistics Office, politicians and civil servants in an effort to secure permanent stable funding for this type of research. While there is wide support for the research owing to its extensive use and dissemination, funding efforts have been unsuccessful. Part of the reason for this is that elections and referendums often happen at short notice, as the members know, and on an irregular schedule. The research required is time sensitive, which means it must be carried out immediately before and after the electoral event, usually within a number of weeks. These are the unusual features of the work involved and are among the main stumbling blocks to establishing a permanent funding stream.

As is the case in other democracies, a dedicated and flexible budget line needs to be established. This could be managed from a Government Department or an electoral commission or channelled through the Irish Research Council. We are asking the committee to make a recommendation to support funding for election and referendum research in Ireland. We believe this research is vital to inform public debate, public policy and political campaigns.

Dr. Jane Suiter

We are happy to take questions from members of the committee.

I have a few practical questions which will give the committee some more information. It would be useful if the witnesses could put on record more detail about the most recent study they carried out. Will they tell us about the mechanics of setting it up, for example, deciding what would be asked and who would be asked, as well as costing the particular study? What were the key findings? Some members are perhaps not as familiar with the details of it, and a little bit more flavour of it could be useful.

One can do small pieces of research on an ongoing basis or larger pieces. Will the witnesses talk the committee through the range of options available if the Government was of a mind to fund such research on an ongoing basis? Are there examples, from the point of view of political science, of best practice in comparable EU member states? What is the best option from an evidence-based point of view?

As a strong supporter of an independent electoral commission, it would seem to me that an electoral commission is the logical place to locate such a fund. Do the witnesses have views on that? Do they believe that the research element in place at the Irish Research Council might make it more appropriate, or are they neutral on it?

A key issue in research is who decides what questions to ask and how the terms of reference are framed. It is not that we are all suspicious and cynical people here, but that is clearly a big question in terms of the utility of such information to people like us. Will the witnesses discuss how that process worked between 2002 and 2007?

I am a big supporter of any evidence based research that gives people more information about what goes on in our political process, and I believe that the more evidence we have the better. This committee spends a large amount of time trying to prise information from Departments. One of the values of publicly funded research such as this is that everybody has access to all of the data, meaning that smaller political parties which cannot afford opinion polling, local community based groups and advocacy groups, and committees like this get access to all of them. As a committee, it is important that we understand that this is not just some technocratic exercise which allows a group of political scientists to do what it likes to do. Rather, it produces a resource which, if done right, gives everybody in our democracy access to something that today only large newspapers, Government Departments, the European Commission and larger political parties can afford. That in itself give the proposition that we consider these recommendations real merit. We will discuss that in private session.

Professor David Farrell

The Deputy asked many questions, and I hope I will be forgiven if I do not get through them all. For the 2016 study, the most recent study, we cobbled together what moneys we could find. We accessed whatever remaining research funds we had in our pots, collaborated with RTÉ, got a small bit of funding from the Oireachtas - I cannot remember which Department it came from - and ended up with somewhere between €50,000 and €60,000. This was highly inadequate. To provide a sense of that, part of this was the RTÉ exit poll, where the sample was split in three ways, meaning that we had samples of 1,000 each. However, the questionnaires were not able to speak across the piece. We have some questions in one part of the sample that do not allow us to look at the relationship with questions in other part of the sample. In addition, we commissioned RED C to carry out two telephone polls. Each of the samples in those telephone polls do not speak to the RTÉ samples, nor to each other. I apologise for being too technical, but we effectively ended up with five separate samples that do not speak to each other. We were able to generate a volume from that. We published a book a few months ago in conjunction with Manchester University Press, covering a number of interesting themes, including whether we are seeing the emergence of populism in Ireland. We are not, but there are perhaps hints that something like that is on the way. We would love to have had better data in order to look at that properly. We would have liked to look at non-voters as well. However, the nature of the data we had available meant that we could only really focus on people who are engaged in politics. One of the most important aspects of an election study is that one wants to tap those who are not interested in politics and understand what drives those people and where they are going in terms of their behaviour and attitudes. That is the big constraint we experienced during our recent research. My colleagues might add to that if I have left anything out.

In terms of the question of the electoral commission versus the Irish Research Council, we have had several meetings with the latter at this stage. The strongest point to emerge from those meetings is that because the electoral commission's budget is annualised, it can simply not cater for an election study. It cannot predict how many elections will occur, when a general election will occur or where the cost of an election will fall. It sent us to other places for that reason. I agree with Deputy Ó Broin that the electoral commission could well be the best vehicle in which to locate something like this.

For an election study to be run in the way we believe it should be run, it should be as open, transparent and widespread across the research community as possible. We tried to do that in the 2011 and 2016 studies. We had a large committee of political scientists, both new and established, including PhD students, post-doctoral workers and full-time members of staff, where people could come up with ideas for questions. There was an attempt to ensure that this was spread as widely as possible. The data are shared across the research community, and as the Deputy pointed out, they were shared more widely. These data are widely available for people to access. Perhaps my colleagues can add more to that.

Dr. Theresa Reidy

In terms of how the questions are decided, there are three main components to the study. We often think about the values that people have, including their fundamental views about the nature of democracy and the political system. There are many questions asked in that area. We also ask about attitudes with more surface level questions, including policy issues of the day, and also international questions relating to global trends. We also ask questions focused on the behaviour of people, including items like how one engages with politics, how interested one is and how one follows it. The analysis afterwards combines these different components to come up with deeper ways of understanding patterns of behaviour and the trends over time in the political system. In terms of how that is communicated, in the year after the election we have a little roadshow. I have been to Sinn Féin, Green Party and Social Democrats events, and events for Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil. We engage fairly widely with the research communities as well as making the data publicly available to anybody who wants to use them. At the moment, we are also engaged in a separate process which is trying to put all of the partial studies we have conducted in the past in one place so that they will be more accessible to parties and interested civil and voluntary groups which want to use them. That is one of the things we are doing to increase access at the moment.

Deputy Ó Broin asked about the best option. The funding is fairly modest. We are talking about a couple of hundred thousand euro. The amount would go up or down depending on whether there was an election in a given year, or a referendum, or whether two or three referendums were being carried out together. That is really what would determine the amount of funding required.

As long as it is designed in a non-partisan way with serious academic credentials, we are agnostic about the mechanism for funding. The data have to be available and there has to be integrity to the design of the study.

I have a supplementary question on the cost. Let us take an ideal scenario where there was a blank cheque. If a number of elections are held in one year, that obviously pushes up costs. Do the witnesses have a notional cost per election or per referendum?

Dr. Jane Suiter

That speaks to the Deputy's question on what the options are. The gold standard of these is a panel study, which is what we had from 2002 to 2007. We would start off with several thousand people and follow some of those same people over the five years. By doing so, we get to see how people are changing at an individual level. If a panel study was to be done, in year one an election study might cost between €250,000 and €300,000 and then one would have an annual cost of about €100,000. A referendum study might cost between €120,000 and €150,000 to do really well. There are a number of moving parts but those are the ballpark figures.

To reiterate what Mr. Farrell and Dr. Reidy said, for much of the time we have had to piggyback on RTÉ exit polls. Naturally, an exit poll gets canvassers from Red C to stand outside various polling stations. By definition, the canvassers can only capture people who have just walked out of a polling station. This means the views of all those who did not make it to the polling station are never asked and we do not know anything about them. Not only do we not know why they did not turn up, but we do not know anything else about them. These are the people who are most dissatisfied with democracy and it is very important that we understand more about them. That is why it is really important to have an election study, rather than just piggybacking on exit polls. That is a crucial point.

We are agnostic about where the money comes from. An electoral commission might be the right place but an electoral commission is an Irish perennial. I know the Oireachtas is discussing legislation on an electoral commission but when will it come into being? I am reluctant to say this should definitely be put through an electoral commission because who knows when that will happen. Maybe that is where it should be based in the long term but in the short term, for the next general election, the Department should fund this in advance of an electoral commission being set up. It would be great if this was done through the Irish Research Council but that would be hard to do because we simply do not know when elections and referendums will be held, as members are well aware. The Department should have a funding line for this research until the electoral commission is established.

On the questions asked, there is considerable best practice available. One wants to make sure questions are asked in a way that do not try to lead people to give certain answers. Members know that if a big brand was asking a question, the survey answers always come out in a way that favours the brand. We have to be highly scientific and particular about that and follow the way questions are asked internationally and the way we have asked them previously in order that we can make comparisons. There is absolutely no reason there should not be wider consultation about the kinds of questions asked. If the committee wanted to be involved in terms of the kind of issues on which questions would be asked, there would be no reason we would not engage in that kind of way. The actual wording of the question would obviously have to come down to scientific best practice and so on. However, there is no reason input into the questions should not be wider than it has been in the past.

What is important is that this is about our democracy and everybody and outside of this room has a stake in that. We all want to understand where the people are and why Ireland has been so successful. Why are we one of the few countries without a radical right-wing populist party when we see this happening elsewhere? We do not completely understand why that is the case but we need to understand the reasons for it if we are to ensure it does not happen. Everybody has a stake in that and having a broader study is very important in helping us to understand the state of our politics and what people are doing. In the meantime, the Department has to own the budget. If that were the case, it might even be in place before the next election, whenever that is, but it should be in place before that. I am sure an electoral commission will not be in place before the next election.

I am a supporter of a properly funded, democratic audit process, which is not ad hoc but is in place on a permanent basis. This is a democratic issue because if there is no public process, the only process is private and there are private processes. We are then left with corporate media and big political parties being the only forces in society which gather, analyse and process the data. From the point of view of a genuine democratic approach, there has to be public funding for this process. In fact, it is anti-democratic if it is not in place.

I am interested in finding out which countries have the best practice internationally and which countries lag behind. One of the reasons I ask is that this issue is a bit of a litmus test. I suspect that the societies that do not fund this research also lag behind on other democratic litmus tests and that the countries that fare better on this front are those in which governments have put in place, or have been forced to put in place, more democratic rights and measures. It is a poor reflection on the Irish State and the approach of successive Governments that people who are clearly extremely well qualified and professional and who can hold their heads high in an international forum are forced to go around with begging bowls and are scrambling to get snippets of information from different groups to enable them to put forward an overview analysis of elections and referendums in this country. It is poor and amateurish and reflects badly on the State and successive Governments that professionals and people who have these skills and abilities are forced to scramble around like that. I ask the witnesses to give us a flavour of it is like to have to scramble around for those bits of information in order to put forward such an overview.

It struck me as interesting that whereas funding was in place between 2002 and 2007 when the economy was booming, it was not provided during the austerity period. Perhaps that indicates that this type of work is viewed as a luxury to be done when we can afford it and is not a priority and will fall by the wayside when times are tougher.

This should be a permanent thing, irrespective of the current economic climate.

A really important point has been made about the issue of people who do not vote. As people who go knocking at doors, we have experience of this. Where there is an issue that people feel really strongly about - which we saw in the abortion referendum - people who traditionally do not vote, including the young, see a reason for it then. For a variety of reasons, but in large measure, the big parties are seen as the same menu being offered. A lot of people are switching off and it is really important to get feedback and information that goes beyond the anecdotal to give an insight into what people are saying and thinking, and not just the people who are coming out to vote. That is a really important point. I will leave it at that.

I thank Dr. Reidy for the presentation. I absolutely agree with the contributions from both of my colleagues. The Green Party is very supportive of evidence-based research that will provide information to enable and allow our democracy to develop and to give us the information on those who do not vote, the younger voter and why some people come out for one referendum and not another. It is really important that this research is enabled and carried out, but in an independent way. How do we ensure the research is independent and not skewed one way or another in support of whoever is funding it?

It is very important in a strong democracy that younger people come out to vote. Why are they disenfranchised? Is there research in other countries where there is more success in bringing younger voters to the ballot box? If not, it is absolutely important that we know why they are not coming out.

I am interested in the witnesses' views on a voting age of 16. From their research so far would the witnesses have findings that support younger people being enabled to vote? I had a short discussion earlier with Senator Boyhan about this kind of apprentice opportunity from the age of 16 to sign onto the register. I would be interested in hearing more about that.

I was part of the Seanad reform implementation group and the findings and outcome of that were issued just before December. One of the recommendations was that a commission would be set up to acknowledge the voter base and register. Could there be something done in co-ordinating a commission to cover the whole area and that it would not be exclusive to the Seanad? With whatever moneys that might be considered for being set aside for a Seanad commission, could we look at that funding in general terms of having an overall commission for looking at the register of electors?

First of all I want to thank the witnesses because they have done a very important piece of work. In advance of the meeting we saw the Irish national election study they were involved with. In their submission the witnesses raised a number of issues. The submission said that "Ireland has high levels of electoral integrity but equally these studies have highlighted areas of serious concern including the electoral registration process, political finance and access to the electoral process for women and minorities." I do not particularly want to go into the topic of political finance because we would need a whole week for that. More importantly the submission expresses concern around access to the electoral process for women and minorities. That is profound. We keep hearing this theme about equal access for women and particular segments of the electorate to the opportunity for engaging with the political process. Perhaps the witnesses could elaborate on this. I would like to hear more about this with regard to minorities. What do the witnesses mean by that? Perhaps they could tease this out and give us some examples to demonstrate their concern.

Would Dr. Reidy like to start?

Dr. Theresa Reidy

I will start with Deputy Barry's questions and will also refer to examples. Ireland is pretty unusual in Europe in not having a permanent study. Nearly all of the new and old member states of the European Union do this. There are different models and ways of doing it. Finland is a very good example where the funding is managed by the Ministry of Justice because it is responsible for handling the electoral process. A tender is put out and a consortium of political scientists - usually based on all of the universities in Finland - tender for it. That is how it is funded.

This comes to the point made by Senator Grace O'Sullivan about the independence and integrity of the study and to manage it in that open and transparent way, perhaps through something like an electoral commission. The Irish Research Council has partnered with Departments and the Constitutional Convention in various ways and carries out that process. The funding has come from Departments but the actual management of the process and the recruitment of the researchers has been carried out by the Irish Research Council. Effectively that is what the council does all the time. It has all the processes and procedures in place to ensure the integrity of the process and it has lots of international peer reviews and evaluation. That would be one way of guaranteeing the independence and integrity of the study.

Austria is another good example of how to manage the process. It has a very well run and well-funded study. Switzerland might also be interesting from Ireland's perspective because - strangely enough - the referendum study has a higher priority than the election study and a lot more money is allocated to the referendum study. Switzerland has a very interesting procedure for doing that. We could also give examples and highlight some data from there.

Reference was made in the questions to how the study changes in involving people. I shall give some concrete examples that may be useful for the committee about what kinds of questions we ask and why we ask them. In 2011, for example, we asked lots of questions about political institutions and people's views on the Dáil, the Seanad, political parties and public representatives. We asked lots of questions about how and why people engaged with their public representatives and on what kinds of topics. This is the information we imagine would be of interest to all political parties and also to people from no political background.

Another element that is worth mentioning is social media. We started to ask many more questions about that in 2011 and again in 2016. We asked about what kinds of information people get from social media, whether or not they trust social media and how they use it during political campaigns and whether it is different to when it is outside the political process. In tandem, there is a public consultation process taking place separately that is looking at the role of the online digital media and how it interacts with our democratic processes. This is part of a global debate that is happening. It was discussed on Facebook by Sheryl Sandberg yesterday. We have some data on there but they are quite limited. One would imagine that this is part of the election study that will grow and become more significant in understanding how digital media interacts with our democratic process.

Professor David Farrell

There are countries that do not have it. Greece is one such prominent example. Our political science colleagues in Greece found it so frustrating that they were unable to track what the hell was going on, whereas we had some funding and were able to get some sense of how voting was panning out in 2011 and 2016. That is a prominent example of bad practice.

When we cobbled together funding, and we begged, borrowed and stole from everyone we could for the studies in 2011 and 2016, there would eventually be particular conversations with agencies, which I will not name. They would tell us that they would give us funding for the study but that they required us to ask a bunch of questions so that if they were asked questions by public representatives or others about how their budget was being spent on such a thing, they would have to show that the questions that mattered to that agency were being asked. Unfortunately, that means that we must ask questions that are of no use to us whatever. There are questions from the 2011 and 2016 surveys that we do not make any use of but we were obliged to ask in order to get a few other questions in there.

It is crucial go after non-voters in the studies. Sampling is so important and is the practice in countries with a well-funded election study. In newspaper opinion polls, their polling agency will use an existing panel of respondents to track voting behaviour. By definition, their panel of respondents are people who are interested in politics who are more likely to vote. A properly funded election study specifically seeks the people who are very hard to find in a normal private opinion poll because one really wants to track those who are uninterested in politics. We have been unable to do that since 2007.

Dr. Reidy has commented on how to ensure that this is done properly and in a truly independent way. As social scientists or scientists, and as academics, we are required to follow ethical procedures. We must get ethical clearance for any research we do in advance which would specifically include survey works. We must abide by certain ethical standards and we must declare any conflicting interests that we may have. To secure funding, we will have had to secure the judgment of our peers to ensure that they are satisfied that this meets the best international standards. Ultimately, as academics we want to publish our research and that goes through a peer review process. If we write something substandard or which does not meet good scientific rigour, it will not get published and we must abide by those standards.

The Austrian election study has been particularly useful on the matter of votes at 16 years. When Austria moved to votes at 16 years, the election study which followed was able to focus on that and how it impacted on voting behaviour. I am a very strong supporter of votes at 16 years. There is good political science research that demonstrates that that is a better age to trap or secure voters. People are more likely to engage in voting practice in future elections if they start doing so early in their lives rather than at a later stage, such as 18 years. It is a very important development which Austria has taken. Other places are considering it and we should too.

Senator Boyhan asked us to say a little more on women and minorities. There are a few dimensions there. One matter, which may refer more to an electoral commission than the topic of today's meeting, is that a well-run electoral administration would do whatever it could to make it easier for people to vote. That would include experiments, something we see in other countries, such as being able to vote in advance of polling day, providing information in different languages - something that is done here but of which more could be done - making it easier for people with disabilities to vote, trying online voting - which is not very popular here - as well as trying other methods of voting that do not require turning up at the polling station. There are ways which could be explored to make the method of voting easier. That is one example of how to better engage certain communities that are not so actively engaged in politics.

Dr. Jane Suiter

In addition to noting which countries have such a study, it is important to look at how they use it. Certain countries might have it but no one in the political system looks at it. If we do it, and it comes through this committee, it is more of a public thing. What is important is that politicians, parties and interest groups look at it and recognise that it is a valuable resource to them. In some countries, the study is undertaken by academics via a research council and published in academic-type publications, where it might not inform internal debate as much as it might. I would like to see the members here use it and bring us in to talk about it more.

I concur with the comments about running around trying to secure ad hoc funding. We are researchers not salesmen but we must go around as though we are trying to make sales.

As Professor Farrell and Dr. Reidy noted, the crucial thing is its independence. The way one does that is through peer review and multi-institutional co-operation. Three different institutions are represented here, for instance, namely, UCD, UCC and DCU.

I agree with Professor Farrell about the voting age. Dr. Reidy has done some research on this and can discuss it further, but crucially 16 year olds are at home with their parents and when their families go out to vote, they will too. By the time they are 18 years, they may no longer live at home. Starting voting at 16 years gets them into the habit earlier than at 18 years.

On women, minorities and young people, part of it is making it easier to vote but much of it is the numbers on the register. Our register is such a mess and we must make it much easier to register. It is not easy to add one's name to the register. The student unions put in Trojan work on voter registration prior to the marriage equality and eighth amendment referendums. When one is a student, there is a matter of where one is registered to vote, but it is also tricky to get on the register, which closes quite a bit in advance of the election. I do not know why that is the case, as in other countries, it is possible for a person to add his or her name to the register up to the day before an election. That is one issue around access that should be considered, although this might be a matter for an electoral commission rather than this forum.

Dr. Reidy has done a lot of work on younger voters and may care to speak on this.

Dr. Theresa Reidy

On the practical matter of voter registration, Ireland is quite unusual in having voluntary voter registration. Most other European countries have automatic registration where people are added to the electoral register based on their social security number. That means that we have particularly acute issues around younger voters. They are not eligible to go on the register until they are 18 years old, at a point where many people lose formal interaction with the State and many more move out of home. Therefore it is very difficult to get young people registered in a systematic way. While universities and other third level colleges do considerable work on this, there remains a whole cohort of people who are not registered, often including some of the most socially disadvantaged people so a cycle of disadvantage is built in. One thing that a change to the voting age would achieve is that it would get people while still in school. A person may or may not get to vote at 16 or 17 years, depending on the electoral cycle, but one thing we could do would be to build a system of registration where one goes on the electoral register at the age of 16. It would not take a referendum but could be introduced for local elections and European Parliament elections immediately, as there are no constitutional impediments or barriers. Those are practical methods, and were there an electoral commission, more systematic and sustained efforts at voter education would be possible. They could be targeted at a wider group of people.

The evidence internationally is that such changes do have an effect, albeit over a long period of time. We would not expect an immediate transformation. Evidence from Austria and Finland has shown that such registration has, over time, been helpful in engaging with younger voters. To answer the Senator's more precise question about why young voters do not participate at the same level, the reasons are complex but there are a couple of important points. One relates to how interested young people are in politics, which intersects with how much they think politics matters to them and how they see it affecting their lives. Another issue is their level of knowledge about politics. Again that is connected to political education in schools. To make concrete policy in these areas, evidence is needed and that evidence must be built over longer periods. The general international experience is that the more younger people are informed about politics and the more they feel politics matters to their lives, the greater the chances of them turning out to vote are. That is very connected to political education in schools and to access to the polls.

Professor Farrell spoke about the elections of 2011 and 2016. Has he conducted any studies in the area of local and European elections? I am thinking about younger voters, who Dr. Reidy mentioned, and about trying to involve them in the process and educate them about the importance of voting. The local elections are what affect them at home and on the ground. It might be something that they would see as a reason to get out and vote for the local council. That might later lead them to involvement in general and, it is to be hoped, European elections. Has Professor Farrell conducted research in that area? Is that part of the overall process when he talks about doing his research or is he focusing only on general elections?

Professor David Farrell

Dr. Suiter made a point about the panel study earlier. That would lend itself to this exact issue because the idea of a panel study is that one can dip in at any stage. Therefore, in respect of the local elections in May, if we had an existing panel there would be no particular reason we could not go to that panel and ask it a series of questions around the time of the local and European elections. All is possible, provided the panel is there. The add-on cost for each additional wave would really be rather limited in the round. However, so far I am not aware of any studies about local elections. Colleagues in Trinity have done some work on elections to the European Parliament. Again, they cobbled together whatever little bits they could but it is highly limited.

Dr. Jane Suiter

Work was done on the 2004 election because we carried out a panel study from 2002 to 2007, which included the local and European elections held in that five-year period. Quite a lot of work was done on that election to the extent that the European elections were second order. We looked at whether people were voting on European issues or on national issues and at questions of that kind. We have not been able to do that since 2004 because the funding has not been there.

The other thing I would say, which is separate to this study but which might feed into an electoral commission, is that part of the role of the commissions in Norway and Finland is to deal with schools. Official hustings are run in all secondary schools during the period before the elections and the students all vote on the same day. It is covered by the media. Two weeks in advance of the election people get to hear how the secondary school students have voted. It actually impacts on the debate. They can be seen coming in. They are run officially. The national candidates might not go into all the schools, although sometimes they will go to some of the bigger schools, but the candidates for the local elections or the European elections will go into schools and speak at these hustings and debates in the schools. It is a really powerful way to bring home the kind of debates that are going on. Something like that could be considered as part of an electoral commission as a way to bring home the importance of political engagement to younger people.

My last point is that we know very well when people turn 16 because we cut them off from child benefit unless they are still in education. I presume we could then add them to an electoral register.

A mock election was carried out in a primary school in Tramore prior to the 2016 election. The young people acted as candidates representing the different parties and had to present. The teacher went through the process very formally and children were elected. The candidate who won offered no homework and ice cream on a Friday.

As a small aside, there were a number of hustings of candidates in schools in my constituency during the last general election and there seemed to be an interesting correlation between the result of the election in the school and the tally results for the catchment area. For example, an independent candidate who did not get elected and who fared quite poorly had a strong electoral base in the catchment area of one particular school and he came second in the mock election. Obviously that means that schoolchildren are at home listening to their parents and picking all of that stuff up.

Dr. Theresa Reidy

The Austrian election study demonstrates that point, particular with regard to 16 and 17 year olds. It shows that young people are not a kind of microcosm that exists independently of society and that, very broadly speaking, they follow the trends. When 16 and 17 year olds were studied more closely they very much approximated many of the trends in the election. Some of the discussions about lowering the voting age to 16 suggest that 16 and 17 year olds are very radical and that they might vote wildly to the right or miles to the left, but the evidence presented shows that they very much approximate the trends seen across the board in those kinds of elections. It demonstrates the importance of this research in giving an understanding when making critical policy changes on something like the voting age. Such changes have to be informed by evidence.

There are one or two questions on which I would like to follow up. I will go back to the period from 2002 to 2007, when the witnesses got what they have described as some funding, although perhaps not all the funding they needed. Dr. Suiter clarified that the local elections in 2004 were covered as a result of that funding. Are the witnesses looking at a similar level of funding or do they need more to achieve what they want to achieve? Can that question be answered? What has their interaction with the Department been so far? How is that interaction going? We had the Department in here before but we would like to get the witnesses' own view in respect of that interaction.

A lot of the issues from my own point of view have already been raised. The register is a problem. Voter turnout is becoming a problem. There is a difference between a general election and a referendum. Referendums seem to get the young people engaged because they involve social issues to which they can relate. We seem to lose them for general elections. It is critical that we do more surveys in respect of the local elections and try to get a better understanding of that area. Young people can see direct effects in their communities through the work that local councillors do on the ground in respect of community stuff. I have been informed that there is a budget line in the Department of the Taoiseach in respect of referendums. Perhaps we, as a committee, could make a proposal that some funding from that budget line be set aside to carry out some research as a starting point. Could the witnesses provide a few quick observations on those points?

Dr. Theresa Reidy

We sniffed out the Department of the Taoiseach before we dealt with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government. We have had some engagement with the Department of the Taoiseach about what this might look like. Arising from that we have had other consultations with, for example, the Central Statistics Office with regard to exploring possibilities for incorporating an election study or a referendum study with some of the other work that office does. Again, that avenue did not really work out, partly because the timing of referendum and election studies means they cannot really be tagged onto other studies because they have to happen at the time of the electoral event. For the most part we have had engagement with the Department of the Taoiseach rather than direct engagement with the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government, although we have been involved in consultations regarding the electoral commission.

It has come up there but not in a more systematic way.

In regard to the earlier question on the funding from 2002 to 2007, there would be a degree of inflation involved but, roughly, we would be talking about the same kind of parameters. The only things that would be wanted to be added are the referenda, which were not included.

Did it include local elections?

Dr. Jane Suiter

Yes. That funding included local elections. There was not one in 2003, which there should have been as best practice would be to have it annually, but there was one in the four years of 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2007. There was a panel in the first year, which was kind of door to door, which is the best practice because that is where we will get the people who do not vote. People will answer their door, whereas if they are rung up and asked to do a survey on elections, those who are very disengaged from the political process will say "No". It is easier to do it door to door. A sample of those would have been kept, with people then surveyed by post afterwards, and fresh samples were then put in to make sure the numbers were kept up. That covered the local and European elections in that cycle.

I agree it is very important to cover the local and European elections because that is fundamental. There are many people living in this country now who are not eligible to vote in national elections, although they might be in time, but who are eligible to vote in the local elections, which have a different range of candidates and different issues. That is very important. We know when local and European elections are because they are fixed in time, so it is fairly straightforward. The referendums are more of a moveable feast, as is the general election.

It is important to do this each year. In our discussions with the Department of the Taoiseach, it was pointed out that the Central Statistics Office, CSO, does a lot of this kind of research. However, the CSO has very fixed times, so one could easily have a referendum or a national election and the CSO would not ask anyone any questions until three months later, when everybody has forgotten why they voted in a particular way or why they did not vote. Normally, when people are asked if they voted, 85% say "Yes", when we know 85% of people did not turn out. The ESRI did the questions in 2002 and it had access to the marked registers, so it was able to tell who did and did not vote, although it was completely anonymised before anybody like me saw it. This meant we knew who did and who did not, and we were able to look at different things rather than just relying on self-reporting. There are different ways of doing it.

In summary, the figure is something around the parameters of the 2002-07 budget and there has obviously been inflation in terms of how much polling companies charge to do these things.

During my 12 years serving on the council, we put something aside every year for the local election because we knew it was coming in five years and that meant it would not hit the accounts in one year. What the witnesses are asking is that, whether it be a general election, local election or referendum, some pocket of money be put aside annually to sustain this into the future. While I do not want to put a figure on it, the witnesses are suggesting the level of funding this got between 2002 and 2007 would be a good starting point, taking inflation into account.

Dr. Jane Suiter

Yes.

To translate into today's money the figures the witnesses quoted earlier, they are talking about a set-up figure for the new panel of between €250,000 and €300,000 and then some €100,000 to €150,000 for every election after that. If that is the ballpark figure, it is small money whereas the benefits are clear. Everybody here has made clear their support for it. The benefit in terms of the public value of information far outweighs the cost, although that is something we can return to in private session.

If no other members are offering, I take this opportunity to thank the witnesses for coming in. I propose a short suspension to allow the next witnesses to take their seats.

Sitting suspended at 10.15 a.m. and resumed at 10.20 a.m.
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