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JOINT COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT, TRANSPORT, CULTURE AND THE GAELTACHT debate -
Wednesday, 25 Apr 2012

Irish Water Safety: Discussion

I welcome Ms Breda Collins, chairman of Irish Water Safety, and thank her for her attendance. I draw her attention to the fact that, by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they give to the joint committee. However, if they are directed by it to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they do not criticise or make charges against a person, persons or an entity, by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I advise Ms Collins that the opening statements she submitted to the committee will be published on its website following the meeting.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they do not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official, by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Having read her submission, I congratulate Ms Collins on the continued reduction in the number of lives lost through drowning in recent years. However, one life lost is one too many and we must maintain our endeavours in this regard. I am particularly interested in Ms Collins' work with young people and how she educates them, not only on swimming and water safety but also on the inherent dangers water poses. Given the recent tragedies in County Cork, I will be interested to hear her views on the measures necessary to improve safety for fishermen and others who work at sea which forms part of her brief. I invite her to address the committee.

Ms Breda Collins

It is a great honour for me to represent my organisation. I thank the joint committee for giving me that opportunity.

I live in Kilkenny city, although I am originally from Dungarvan, County Waterford. I am married and have three adult children. I originally worked in the pharmacy sector in Dublin in the 1970s, from where I moved to the General Medical Services Payments Board. After marriage, I moved to Kilkenny. In the 1970s as there was no provision for moving between semi-State bodies, I went back to work in the retail sector. My husband and I opened our own retail business in Kilkenny in 1980 and I continue to work in that business with him, in which I work at both retail and administrative level.

Some 25 years ago I became a voluntary member of Kilkenny Water Safety and qualified as an instructor. I was elected to its water safety committee and quickly became an ardent supporter of its work at local level, in promoting a water safety message by teaching swimming and lifesaving techniques on a weekly basis in our local pool and during our summer camp weeks on the Nore and the Barrow in rural areas. I continue to do this work. I became increasingly involved in national courses and passionate about the broader message of Irish Water Safety to all members of the public.

In 1998 I was appointed to the rescue commission of Irish Water Safety. In 1999 I was elected by our members to the national Irish Water Safety committee under the National Safety Council. In 2000 I was elected to the newly established council of Irish Water Safety and re-elected in 2003, 2006 and 2011. During that period I chaired several commissions of the organisation, including rescue, swimming, lifesaving and area committees. I qualified as an international surf referee in lifesaving in sport in 2003 and I am an international lifesaving senior risk assessor tutor. I was the first female in Europe to attain that qualification. This experience gives me a broad overview of the organisation. I was appointed chairman of Irish Water Safety by the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, in November 2011.

I would like to tell the committee about the organisation and my vision and ambition for the term of the new council. Irish Water Safety is an independent voluntary body established to promote water safety in Ireland. We educate people in water safety best practices. We teach swimming and lifesaving techniques nationwide to members of the general public. We develop public awareness campaigns to promote necessary attitudes, behaviours and rescue skills in order to prevent drowning and water-related accidents. Through education and training, we strive to promote a stronger water safety ethos and culture in order that everybody can safely use and enjoy our aquatic environment.

Irish Water Safety was established in 1945 under the auspices of the Irish Red Cross and formed into the Irish Water Safety Association by statute in 1971. The association was brought in under the National Safety Council in 1987 and was re-established as Irish Water Safety by statutory instrument in 2000. We attained registered charity status three years ago and we receive sponsorship and sponsorship in kind. We have local committees in every county in Ireland and two special dedicated committees in the Garda training college and in the Defence Forces in The Curragh.

We are linked in to the local authorities through these local area committees. Each local authority has a dedicated water safety development officer with specific duties in the promotion of water safety. Through this network of committees we have built up our biggest asset as an organisation which is our corps of voluntary members who work on weekly programmes, delivering training in swimming, lifesaving, water confidence and basic life support in their local communities and the monetary value of which is significant. We are the only body teaching swimming in open water during our summer weeks. Membership was approximately 3,000 in 2011. We train and qualify lifeguards and this enables both the local authorities and private establishments to employ lifeguards who are trained to international best practice as well as providing our young people with a qualification that is internationally recognised. At national level our work is very diverse as we target specific groups of the population who are at risk of drowning. For example, on 28 April, the Minister, Deputy Hogan, will launch a new national water safety awareness prospectus, targeting those employed to work in or near water. This will be the establishment of a new national standard for this group of people.

We support our volunteers by developing our programmes to international best practice and producing courses and resource material to deliver these programmes. Our volunteers carry out risk assessments on bathing areas and waterways nationwide that may pose a particular risk to the public. We advise on public rescue equipment, signage, access and other necessary facilities. We offer this service free of charge to local authorities. An Taisce has accepted this standard to be a condition of assignment of its annual blue flag awards.

This risk assessment standard was developed by Irish Water Safety and through our international representation at the European lifesaving federation, this model is now being used throughout Europe. We are represented on the board of the European lifesaving federation, ILSE, and also on several of its commissions. Through this representation we ensure that IWS develops and progresses best international practice in all our work and courses. It ensures the IWS standards often lead the way in the field and act as a template for other lifesaving organisations across Europe.

Irish Water Safety works with other national Government agencies and NGOs involved in marine safety and our members sit on committees with the Irish Coast Guard, the Naval Service, RNLI, Waterways Ireland, Irish Surfing Association, BIM and many others. We work with the Department of Education and Skills and in 2003 our primary aquatic water safety programme was accepted by the Department as part of the school curriculum. This programme is specifically tailored for primary school pupils and is exclusive to primary schools. Pupils are certified with nationally recognised awards from our programme as recommended by the Department of Education and Skills. Aquatics is a component part of the physical education strand of the primary school curriculum. These awards consist of the theory of personal safety around water, safe swimming, safety on the farm, safety on open water, etc. Swimming pool-based instructions can be taught by local swimming-pool teachers. This programme ensures that even if children do not have access to swimming lessons, they are still provided with a water safety awareness programme in the classroom. Irish Water Safety fund-raising allows us to employ an educational development officer to engage with the schools and to roll out this programme.

Irish Water Safety trains and examines rescue boat crews who work with the community inshore rescue services and the coast guard service. We work with both local and national media to help build awareness and to target the seasonal hazards that may occur.

I have some questions for Ms Collins and I thank her for forwarding her presentation so that the members have had an opportunity to read it. I note that Irish Water Safety trains and examines rescue boat crews and the community inshore rescue services and the coast guard service. Is this training designed to be passed on to the people in coastal communities who may be involved in marine activities?

Ms Breda Collins

It is designed for the rescue personnel. This programme commenced in the 1990s when Irish Water Safety was trying to set up a broader group of community inshore rescue boat stations around the country. These personnel did not have access to training so IWS developed standards and we support courses in conjunction with the coast guard service. We provide tutors and supplementary training for the crews. When they reach a certain specified standard in both crew training and station facilities, Irish Water Safety will carry out an inspection. If the standard is satisfactory such stations will be submitted to the coast guard service for inclusion in the services as a declared facility.

Is this a certified standard?

Ms Breda Collins

Yes.

Is Irish Water Safety the certifying agency?

Ms Breda Collins

Yes.

Is that certification recognised outside Ireland and measured against international water safety measures?

Ms Breda Collins

It is templated against other organisations but that certification is just for rescue boats in Ireland.

I thank Ms Collins for her presentation. I note she has hands-on experience, that she has been involved in Kilkenny over a long period and I also note her business qualifications. I could not argue with any of that.

Is the membership of Irish Water Safety nationwide? Are personnel designated to areas?

Ms Breda Collins

They are not designated as such but rather we have a local area committee in every area. As I mentioned earlier, we have water safety development officers in the local authority areas and their specific responsibility is to organise a local committee and Irish Water Safety supports those committees. Water safety programmes are in place in every county in the country.

Is Water Safety Ireland involved in rescue work if needed during bad weather?

Ms Breda Collins

We issue public safety messages and warnings in the event of flooding but not so much for craft at sea as that is the responsibility of Met Éireann and the coast guard service. We have a role in raising general public awareness by means of the media.

I note one of the most important areas of the work of Irish Water Safety is in schools.

Ms Breda Collins

We have an education development officer funded by our fund-raising programmes. Her job is to engage with all the schools, to ensure awareness of the programme and to support them in that programme.

I refer to the board of Irish Water Safety. I presume the membership is composed of a broad range of people involved in different aspects of water safety.

Ms Breda Collins

The board is made up of 12 individuals, 11 of whom are voluntary members of Irish Water Safety, with the 12th being a voluntary member of a search and rescue unit in County Mayo. Even though they are under the umbrella of Irish Water Safety, these individuals are involved in various businesses and bring a diverse set of skills to the board. In addition, we have a structure of sub-committees and commissions. We identify and target skills among our members and bring them on board for specific commissions dealing with particular areas.

I welcome Ms Collins and wish her well in her new role. Clearly, she has a great deal of experience and expertise in this area. Will she comment on the statistics for the numbers who have lost their lives by drowning in recent years? What does she see as the main challenges facing Irish Water Safety and what will be its focus in the coming years? We all recall the terrible fishing tragedy in Cork a number of months ago. As an island nation, fishing is a very important sector. Is there an issue in getting the message out to fishermen to wear lifejackets and take other precautions? I understand that historically there has been an reluctance among fishermen to wear lifejackets. As we are all aware, it is the nature of bodies of water to be very changeable, with undercurrents and so on, and conditions can change totally in a matter of hours. How is the message being communicated to ensure people have all of the facts before engaging in activity on the water?

Ms Breda Collins

In regard to the statistics for drownings, the highest number ever recorded in one year was in 1994 when there were 229 such deaths. The last decade closed with the lowest number of drownings in 58 years, at 112. The drowning rate per 100,000 of population decreased in the same decade from four to 2.5. When one considers the increase in population and the level of activity on our waterways, that is a good success. Having said that, we are very aware that we must continue to build on this improvement.

I entirely agree that one of our main challenges relates to the fishing industry, with eight deaths in the sector to date in 2012. In terms of deaths in the workplace, the fishing industry's figure is 40 times the average. As the Deputy observed, there has traditionally been a reluctance among fishermen to wear lifejackets. They seem to consider the water their natural environment and that taking such a precaution is not necessary. We are taking several initiatives in this regard. For example, we launched a new lifesaving jacket at the Hooked Live angling exhibition in March. One of our priorities is to encourage local authorities to include in the signage at piers the ISO symbol for lifejackets. We also hope to encourage greater enforcement in this regard. As it stands, the only organisation which can enforce the law on the wearing of lifejackets at sea is the Irish Coast Guard. We had discussions last month with the director of the Naval Service who has agreed to record the rate of compliance encountered by its members when they board vessels at sea. We will use these figures to devise campaigns to promote the wearing of lifejackets and perhaps campaign for more enforcement policies by the Government.

To expand on that point, would it be useful if those responsibile for inland fisheries were given the same inspection powers as the Irish Coast Guard in respect of lake fishing, for instance, given that we have seen several tragedies in recent years?

Ms Breda Collins

The Chairman makes a valid point because more people drown on inland waterways than on coastal waterways. It is another issue we must consider. In the case of the declared facilities of the community rescue boats to which I referred, that is only available under what was set up in 2002 for coastal areas. There is an incentive for participants in the form of a VAT exemption on equipment if they reach the required standard. However, that scheme is not open to inland community rescue boats, something we will certainly review. It is a matter ultimately for the Government, through the Revenue Commissioners, but it is one to which we certainly give attention.

As somebody who worked at sea for several years and enjoys fishing as a leisure activity whenever I get the chance, I have seen what might be described as machismo in both environments. For persons working at sea, it can be very much the culture of the company for which one is working which determines the health and safety aspects, with some being very strict and others laissez-faire in respect of such issues as the wearing of lifejackets or the compulsory wearing of life suits, which is mandatory for crews working on deck in certain conditions. One of the improvements in lifesaving technology in recent years is that lifejackets for fishing purposes are now akin to a small belt.

Ms Breda Collins

Absolutely, they are inflatable and just like a collar.

They are not the large, bulky objects we were used to, which made it difficult to fish. Is such safety equipment subject to VAT and, if so, is there an argument for exempting it? Children's shoes, for instances, are exempt, for good reasons. There may be a case for a VAT exemption for health and safety equipment such as this.

Ms Breda Collins

VAT is applicable to personal flotation devices.

At which rate is it applied?

Ms Breda Collins

To the best of my knowledge, it is applied at the higher rate, which I understand is 23%.

That is an issue the committee might examine.

Ms Breda Collins

That would be helpful.

In regard to campaigns, what is Irish Water Safety's focus as the summer approaches?

Ms Breda Collins

We have regular media campaigns which have been very well supported in terms of sponsorship by various media bodies, that is, sponsorship in kind for which we are not charged. During the years we have also managed to secure several high profile people who have given their services to us free of charge. For example, Jedward recently agreed to come on board with us to target younger people. It is a question of finding time in their schedules to arrange visits to schools and so on.

Their hair will not stay up if it gets wet. I thank Ms Collins most sincerely for her assistance to the committee. Many Oireachtas Members have been involved in voluntary organisations during the years in one capacity or another. As one such person, it is great to see an individual who became involved in something some years ago in a voluntary capacity rise through the ranks in different roles. Ms Collins' experience is drawn from direct involvement in the organisation of which she is now chairman and I am sure this familiarity will be reflected in her stewardship. I thank her for her presentation and, on behalf of the committee, wish her the best of success in her role. Irish Water Safety provides a very important service for communities, whether on the coast or inland. The agency's record in recent years is testament to the good work Ms Collins and her colleagues are doing.

I propose that we inform the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Phil Hogan, that we have concluded our discussion with Ms Collins and that we forward a copy of the transcript of this session for his consideration. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The joint committee adjourned at 12.20 p.m. until 2.15 p.m. on Tuesday, 1 May 2012.
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