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JOINT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS debate -
Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012

Gas Network: Discussion with Bord Gáis

Representatives from Bord Gáis are with us today to inform us about the company's operations and the extension of the network. I welcome Mr. John Barry, managing director, Bord Gáis Networks, Mr. Aidan O'Sullivan, Gaslink; Mr. Sean Casey, Mr. Jack O'Connell and Mr. Ger Cowhig. Also attending in the Visitors' Gallery are Mr. Denis Twomey, Mr. Fergal McGrath and Mr. James Dunny.

I draw attention to the fact that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if they are directed by it to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against a person, persons or an entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I wish to advise that the opening statements submitted to the committee will be published on its website after the meeting. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I call on Mr. Barry to make his presentation.

Mr. John Barry

I thank the Chairman and the committee members for inviting us here today to talk about Bord Gáis Networks, BGN, and the work it does in connecting customers from the domestic and business communities to Ireland's gas network. I am joined by my colleagues, Mr. Aidan O'Sullivan, general manager of Gaslink, Mr. Jack O'Connell, head of regulation and commercial affairs, Mr. Sean Casey, head of asset management, and Mr. Ger Cowhig, head of networks finance.

BGN is a regulated network utility, regulated under licence by the Commission for Energy Regulation, CER. The operator of the Bord Gáis Éireann gas network is Gaslink, an independent subsidiary company wholly owned by Bord Gáis Éireann. BGN is a business unit of Bord Gáis Éireann which provides system operation, maintenance and development services to Gaslink. BGN is ring-fenced from Bord Gáis Energy which is a part of the Bord Gáis Éireann group and a licensed supplier of gas and electricity to customers across Ireland. There are a number of energy companies competing in the Irish gas market and Gaslink and BGN provide non-discriminatory access to the gas network to all of these companies, including Bord Gáis Energy, which, in turn, use the network to supply gas to consumers.

At the macroeconomic level, natural gas represents 13% of Ireland's final energy consumption, which is a measure of the energy delivered to energy consumers in the economy. This is well below the European average of 22%. Ireland is probably over-reliant on oil, at 64% of its final energy consumption compared to 43% in Europe. Switching from oil to gas will not only reduce Ireland's oil dependency but will also decrease CO2 emissions since gas produces roughly one third fewer carbon emissions than oil. This CO2 reduction will contribute to Ireland's obligations under the EU strategy to reduce emissions by 20% by 2020. Our strategy reflects the changing nature of the energy mix worldwide. We believe that natural gas will continue to gain in importance as a relatively low-carbon fossil fuel and as an ideal partner to renewable energy sources.

A new European security of supply regulation, which came into force in 2010, deals with measures to safeguard the security of the gas supply within Europe. Ireland imports approximately 95% of its gas via two interconnector pipelines with Scotland. These pipelines are vital to Ireland's security of supply. BGN is keen to undertake capital investment to enhance this interconnector system, thereby securing our link to the highly liquid market in Great Britain. Other sources of indigenous gas such as gas storage, liquefied natural gas, LNG, and Corrib gas, for which commercial arrangements are now complete, will all add to Ireland's security of supply.

BGN has a record of delivering critical infrastructure to develop the network. It is an experienced network owner and operator with network construction, maintenance and operation experience in the Irish, Northern Irish and UK markets. We have a proven track record of delivering major sub-sea interconnector, transmission and distribution projects. Our gas network is one of the most modern in Europe, with over 13,000 km of steel and polyethylene pipeline. From the end of 2001 to the end of 2011, we spent approximately €2 billion on developing the Irish gas network. From 2012 to 2017, we plan to spend a further €460 million on network development. The gas network performed well during the severe winters of 2010 and 2011, with uninterrupted gas supply during two of the coldest winters on record.

At the end of 2011, BGN had almost 650,000 domestic and business customer connections. During the year we handled around 372,000 telephone calls, completed more than 86,000 customer appointments, conducted approximately 26,000 surface reinstatements at customers' premises and attended over 19,500 gas escapes reported by the public with an average response time of 25 minutes. Customer complaints during 2011 amounted to 2,891 or just over 1% of the overall customer base. We also carry out a broad range of activities on behalf of the gas supply companies, including meter installations, meter replacements, meter reads, and other activities at customers' premises.

In 2011, around 120,000 customers changed supplier in the gas market, making it one of the most competitive in the world. BGN manages the various processes underpinning this commercial activity using state-of-the-art IT systems. BGN is a highly customer-focused organisation and has won a number of significant awards, at home in Ireland and in the UK, for delivering excellent service to our customers. We are proud of the achievements of Bord Gáis and its business partners in this regard.

We have successfully completed a major business transformation programme which implemented a high-performance utility model in the organisation that reflects international best practice. This is delivering operational efficiencies across the business and optimises the use of the company's staff, systems, and processes to deliver excellent service levels to our customers. The project involved a complete reorganisation of the networks company, a reconfiguration of our IT systems, the optimisation of our supply chain with best-practice procurement processes and a major overhaul of our outsourcing model for engineering works, moving from a multi-contractor to a single-contractor model.

Safety is a core value for the company and is central to all BGN activities. We are continuously improving our safety systems and approach and have an ongoing safety awareness campaign covering areas such as the gas emergency service, dial-before-you-dig, carbon monoxide awareness and the register of gas installers. Gas safety is regulated by the CER, which has established a natural gas safety regulatory framework, and BGN is subjected to ongoing audit and inspection by the CER under this framework. We report quarterly to the CER on a comprehensive range of safety performance indicators to verify that all operations are in compliance with the safety framework.

Increasing and enhancing the network is also a priority for the business, where economically sensible. BGN, acting on behalf of Gaslink, has been actively focused on extending the gas network to new towns in recent years. In the past decade we have also made major strides in increasing the number of customers connected to the gas network, although over recent years numbers have dropped off in keeping with the economic downturn. From a peak of 39,500 new customer connections in 2006, the business connected an additional 5,500 customers in 2011. The new contractor model allows us to react more flexibly to changing circumstances, not only in terms of changes in new customer levels but also in terms of operational flexibility in the field.

The gas network is extended and developed in line with the Gaslink connections policy. This policy, which is approved by the CER, aims to strike a balance between providing incentives to new customers to connect to the gas network and ensuring that existing gas users are protected from the burden of costs associated with uneconomical connections. The policy details how connection costs are calculated for different types of new gas customer ranging from one-off single houses to large industrial customers such as power stations. The large industrial and commercial customers, such as power stations and pharmaceutical companies, have substantial connection costs. The policy determines the cost of their connection depending on their expected gas usage and whether they require a connection from the high-pressure network. The large customer pays from 30% to 100% of the cost of the connection. The remaining costs of the connection are met through revenues generated by the customers' gas usage for the first seven years.

When designing connections to large customers, BGN will, subject to regulatory approval, ensure the connection is sized to cater for future gas load requirements in the newly served region. For example, when designing the new gas pipeline connection to fuel the new power station in Great Island, County Wexford, we sought and subsequently received approval from the CER to enlarge the pipeline to accommodate potential gas users in the south-east region.

The connection policy also sets out the criteria used to determine whether a connection to a new town or group of towns is feasible. For a connection to be viable, the revenues generated through potential gas usage in the town must exceed the overall cost of connecting the town. Subject to the results of this analysis, we make a submission to the CER to approve the extension of the gas network to the town.

BGN has been effective in connecting new towns to the gas network. In 2008, we commenced a new town connection study reviewing the feasibility of extending the gas network to 70 new towns located all over the country. The study, which was completed in three phases, found that 21 of these towns were viable for connection. BGN subsequently received approval from the CER to connect these towns. To date 16 of them are served with a gas supply at an approximate cost of €78 million. We will keep under review the possibility of connecting the remaining towns in the study if new potential gas loads emerge in these areas. Any approval from the CER to connect a town will include a proviso that BGN receive a certain level of commitment of gas usage from potential customers in the town before progressing with the connection.

There was a 9% reduction in the total amount of gas transported on the network by BGN in 2011. This was caused by a variety of factors including milder weather, reduced demand due to the economic slowdown and the displacement of gas-fired power generation by wind. BGN and Gaslink are, therefore, actively considering ways in which the Irish gas network can be utilised more intensively, as greater gas consumption means increased use of the network, which will lead to lower overall gas transportation tariffs and thus lower prices for customers. To that extent, we are investigating the future development of the gas network to incorporate natural gas vehicles, NGVs, and renewable gas facilities. We note the CER's recent decision to proceed with the next stage of the smart meter roll-out programme and we look forward to working with it on this over the next few years. BGN believes there is a viable opportunity for the natural gas vehicle industry to be developed in Ireland. We see our role as that of a facilitator in bringing cost-effective and clean fuel to the transport sector. The NGV sector has been very successful in other countries. Madrid is an interesting example. The municipal fleet of natural gas vehicles, which was started in the early 1990s, has grown to more than 660 buses and 400 refuse collection vehicles today. The city is benefiting from lower fuel emissions and lower transport costs. We would like to see a similar uptake of compressed natural gas, CNG, across towns and cities in Ireland. There is developing interest in this area. For example, more than 150 transport and energy industry professionals attended a BGN conference on NGV held last year in Croke Park in Dublin.

To briefly address the financial side of our business, the Commission for Energy Regulation determines the revenues to be earned by Bord Gáis Networks and the charges to be paid by suppliers for use of our gas network. The Commission for Energy Regulation is in the process of concluding a price control review process with Bord Gáis Networks which will determine how much money will be invested in developing, maintaining and operating the gas network over the following five years. The business finances itself and has done so successfully, raising funding in the international capital markets since 2003. The transparent, objective and independent role of the Commission for Energy Regulation, as regulator, has been very helpful in supporting this important function. It has enabled Bord Gáis to retain the all-important investment grade credit rating, which underpins our financing activities.

All gas supply companies pay transportation charges to Bord Gáis Networks for use of the gas network. These charges are passed on by the gas supply companies to consumers and, on average, constitute roughly 40% of the overall price to the domestic consumer, with the wholesale gas price and the supplier's costs making up the balance.

I thank the Chairman and joint committee again for giving us the opportunity to explain Bord Gáis Networks' operations and the services it provides to customers in Ireland. A number of challenges face the company over the next five-year period. These include keeping a downward pressure on transportation tariffs, increasing utilisation of the network, continuing to operate the network safely and efficiently, ensuring the gas network is capable of coping with the increasing levels of renewable energy in the energy mix, and continuing to deliver a best-in-class service to our customers. We are happy to take questions.

I thank the delegation for its extensive, interesting and well-presented overview, which provides much food for thought.

I thank Mr. Barry for his presentation. With so many people dependent on gas, security of gas supply is of major importance. Ireland appears to be below the European average in terms of natural gas resources. Gas is much more environmentally friendly than oil, on which we are excessively reliant. What will the Corrib gas arrangements entail? Will we have security of gas supply for the next ten, 15 or 20 years?

Mr. Barry referred to generating electricity through wind. Apart from relying on natural gas, does Bord Gáis Networks intend to invest in wind energy? What other energy sources does it intend to exploit to improve the energy network? We are relying on Scotland at present but the position will clearly change.

What plans are in place for rolling out infrastructure for gas-powered vehicles? Other countries appear to be ahead of us in this respect. Such a roll-out would achieve worthwhile savings.

Have contacts taken place between Bord Gáis Networks and the Government on selling off parts of the company? I would not like the network to be broken up. What are the staffing levels at the company? What profits does it make? Do the salaries of the chief executive officer and other senior staff comply with Government guidelines on pay? What is the CEO of Bord Gáis Networks paid?

Mr. John Barry

I will respond to several of the Deputy's questions. On the roll-out of natural gas vehicles, we are conscious that there is a downward trend in the consumption of natural gas. We are constantly examining ways to increase utilisation of the network and thereby exert downward pressure on the transportation tariffs. We have been considering the concept of natural gas vehicles for the past couple of years. We hosted a conference in Croke Park last year, which was attended by approximately 150 people, including representatives of the industry in Europe and the United States. We are working closely with a number of parties.

Bord Gáis Networks has a sample van and refuelling facilities in our operational headquarters in Dublin. We have given the van to a number of industries to allow them to assess its performance and efficiencies. Natural gas vehicles are essentially commercial vehicles and they are what we consider to be captive fleets, that is, fleets which return to base each evening and can be refuelled at the depot. The market for these vehicles is in buses, commercial refuse trucks and similar vehicles and we believe it can be developed. As one of the slides showed, the penetration of natural gas vehicles worldwide is significant. With proper incentivisation and excise policies, we have a great opportunity to develop a natural gas vehicle industry in this country. This industry will be more efficient than conventional transport and will reduce transport emissions and help us meet our targets. Bord Gáis Networks wants to be a facilitator of this development and the roll-out of natural gas vehicles. It is actively working with a bus company to import such a vehicle for use on a trial basis. We hope to make an announcement on this matter in the near future. The other good thing about natural gas vehicles is that the technology is proven and available. As is clear from the number of such vehicles worldwide, we are not inventing new technology. Bord Gáis Networks is hopeful that, as in the case of Madrid, we will start small and the technology will be rolled out to create a larger industry. I hope it will also contribute to meeting several of our environmental targets.

On the sale of resources, I understand work has commenced on appointing consultants for the sale of the energy business. My understanding of current Government policy is that network assets will not be sold. That is as much as I can say on that issue.

On Corrib gas, we regret the delay in bringing gas ashore. This issue has been spoken about for many years and we understand the most recent estimated delivery time for bringing Corrib gas onshore is 2015. We built the link line to the Corrib field in 2005-06 under a commercial arrangement with the Corrib partners. The advent of the pipeline has facilitated gas development in the various towns along the corridor as part of the phase 1 towns study. When in full production the Corrib gas field will be able to carry about 60% of the average annual demand; at peak, I believe the figure is between 30% and 35%. Bord Gáis Networks is anxious to ensure the gas from the field comes onshore as quickly as possible to contribute to security of supply.

On wind generation, we are part of a networks utility which invests in wind assets on the other side of our business. Flexibility requirements in the gas network are increasing as wind energy comes on and goes off the system. As wind plants fire up and fire down, our network is having to respond in a more flexible manner. One of the key challenges facing the network in future is to be able to respond to this flexibility in demand. The interconnectors are important for this reason. They give us a buffer of gas to allow us to respond to demand when wind power comes on and off the system.

Mr. Cowhig will shortly address the Deputy's question on profits. The number of staff in BGN is approximately 1,250. As members may be aware, we are largely an outsourced organisation; we have a core staff of approximately 550.

On our over-reliance on oil, the statistics speak for themselves. Part of this over-reliance is in the transport sector and the roll-out of natural gas vehicles will help address this. The heating sector is another element of our over-reliance on oil. As more people convert from oil to gas heating systems, our excessive dependence on oil will reduce.

Mr. Ger Cowhig

On the question of staff numbers, our head count at the end of 2011 was 1,123 versus 1,068 in 2010, which reflects a 5% increase. Part of the explanation is that, with the third EU energy directive, we must have separate support services in both the energy business and the networks business. This includes issues such as health and safety, quality and environment functions, which we had to put into both sections of the business, as well as other support services. That drove the increase in head count in the main.

With regard to profits, our EBITDA for 2011 amounted to €343 million versus €331 million in 2010, so there is a favourable €12 million variance. This reflects the strong underlying performance of the business, particularly in the energy assets area. The full year earnings for Whitegate is included in the 2011 figures as well as an increased contribution from wind, reduced levels of customer discounting and a reduction in the bad debt provision, which was partly offset by higher international wholesale prices and lower contributions from the networks business, which arose due to milder weather and cheaper optimisation on lower regulated transmission tariffs.

The issue of pay was raised.

Mr. John Barry

The CEO is operating on or at the cap on salary level. My understanding is the cap does not apply to other senior managers but that everybody in the organisation is below that cap.

I thank the witnesses for the presentation. As others have suggested, the figure that jumps out is 95% for imported natural gas. I presume the other 5% comes from Kinsale.

Mr. John Barry

That is correct.

On that, when Corrib comes on stream and is at maximum production, what will be the percentage that is imported?

The presentation referred to "a major overhaul of our outsourcing model for engineering works moving from a multi-contractor to a single contractor model". I understand that in 2010 Bord Gáis entered into an exclusive arrangement with Sierra on the installation and servicing of gas boilers. What this did, basically, was to remove the option for customers to use private independent regulated contractors. The Consumers Association of Ireland in March of this year demonstrated that, because of this arrangement, there is effectively a price difference of 47% between what Bord Gáis and Sierra charge and what independent regulated contractors charge. This sounds as if the consumer is very much losing out in this regard. There are also allegations that Bord Gáis is contacting customers of private contractors to offer services and servicing information it gathered when it was in a monopoly position.

Has Bord Gáis any plans to open up the finance option to legal, regulated independent contractors? An outcome of the current situation is that it also leads to the black economy thriving where people use installers who are not regulated. Have additional costs incurred by the arrangement between Bord Gáis and Sierra been reflected in consumer gas prices?

To add to Deputy O'Mahony's point, Bord Gáis might also clarify current allegations that a big black market is opening up.

Mr. John Barry

On the first question, the Corrib field, when in production, can produce approximately 60% of the average yearly demand and 30% to 35% of peak demand. That is the scale.

I have seen some commentary on the second issue. As I pointed out at the start of my presentation, we represent the regulated network utility. The issue the Deputy has raised is wholly a part of our competitive energy business. While I understand there are issues that are topical and need to be addressed, those working in the energy part of our business would be the most appropriate people to whom to address those issues. Without wishing to avoid the question, I do not have the information on that issue. However, we are very happy to take away the questions and either commit a full and detailed written explanation or have the appropriate people appear in front of the committee at some point in time to answer the questions. We have no difficulty with that.

I understand the contract with Sierra lasts until next May. Will there be any change of policy at that stage? Can Mr. Barry clarify this now?

Mr. John Barry

Again, I am genuinely not up to speed on the information around that issue because it is not part of our business. We operate completely on a ring-fenced basis from the energy business, which we have to do as a matter of regulation.

On the face of it, this seems as if it is a lose-lose situation for the consumer. Effectively, the legal, regulated independent contractors cannot put the price on their bill. That is the issue. If the outcome of this is that consumers are paying almost twice the amount they would pay to an independent contractor, there is obviously an urgent issue to be addressed.

Mr. John Barry

As I said, we are very happy to respond in detail in a written explanation on that issue or have the appropriate people come before the committee to answer the questions the Deputy has raised. I am not in a position to do so as we are completely ring-fenced from the energy business. I am not aware of the renewal date of the contract or how that particular contract operates. I apologise if I appear to be avoiding the question because I am not. I just do not have that information because we are ring-fenced.

Is Deputy O'Mahony happy to get the information in writing?

Mr. John Barry

I reiterate that if the committee wants to bring the appropriate people in front of it at some stage, that is a matter for it.

If we get the answers, we can follow up depending on the answers. It is a conundrum that does not seem to make sense.

Mr. Barry will come back to us on this.

Many people are affected. It is important it would be addressed as quickly as possible.

Mr. John Barry

Absolutely.

I congratulate the new director of public affairs in Bord Gáis, if that is his correct title, Mr. Eoghan Ó Neachtain, who will be known in Leinster House as a former press secretary to both the former Taoiseach, Mr. Brian Cowen, and the current Taoiseach, Deputy Enda Kenny. If the expertise Mr. Ó Neachtain is bringing to his job is reflected in the rest of the board, the future of gas energy in this country is quite safe. I wish him well.

Has Bord Gáis a policy on shale gas extraction, which, as we know, is proving very controversial? A company currently has a desktop licence under which it is exploring the possibility of drilling in my part of the country and in that of my colleague, Deputy Dooley, in Clare. I presume Bord Gáis is monitoring progress in this regard. Have the witnesses any comments or reflections on what the policy of Bord Gáis might be, given the controversial nature of this practice? Obviously, it will have an impact on Bord Gáis going forward.

The presentation refers to the new European security of supply regulation. Are we receiving any Russian gas through pipelines that come across Europe? Would we be in any way affected by political volatility, as has happened in Ukraine, Germany and Poland when the Russians threatened to reduce or withdraw gas supplies?

Purely for information purposes, will Mr. Barry clarify whether the capital investment Bord Gáis is undertaking to enhance the interconnector system, thereby securing its link to a highly liquid market in Britain, or its use of the current pipeline to Scotland mean we are receiving gas that is driven by nuclear energy, which would be somewhat ironic? Is there a nuclear dimension to the gas coming into this country?

Mr. John Barry

I will deal with the last issue first. The capital investment to which we refer relates to the twinning of the pipeline in Scotland. We have a 50 km single stretch of pipeline and when we speak about the capital investment in Scotland, it is that to which we are referring.

The Senator referred to shale gas extraction. As with any other indigenous source of gas, we would welcome the entry of shale gas to the market in Ireland. We are not experts - nor do we claim to be - on the method of extraction used in this regard. If gas is extracted from that source, we will connect it to the grid. We understand that any projects involving shale gas extraction will go through the normal permit process. We will be relying on the various agencies which provide the relevant permits or licences to ensure the extraction is carried out in an environmentally friendly manner. We have no policy on extraction but we would rely on the agencies that issue licences or permits to allow the relevant companies to extract the gas to ensure that those licences or permits are in order and that the process is environmentally friendly in nature. Other than that, and as is the case with any other source of gas, we would welcome the arrival of shale gas.

In other words, Bord Gáis has no policy whatsoever in the debate that is going to take place in respect of this matter during the next 12 to 18 months and will merely be the receiver of the gas.

Mr. John Barry

Ultimately, the gas will go into the network. Our concern is that the extraction of the gas should not involve any damage to the environment. Other than that, we are not qualified to discuss the technology used - which involves fracking - to extract the gas. We have no expertise in that area. Mr. O'Connell will deal with the issue relating to security of supply.

Mr. Jack O’Connell

With regard to Senator Mooney's comment about our exposure in the context of Russian gas, we are fortunate that we are connected to the very liquid market which exists in Great Britain. The latter is a highly diversified market in the context of the sources of supply available to it. It was only last year that Great Britain reached the stage at which it is importing more gas than it is producing. Current sources of supply include gas from the North Sea, from Norway, from Europe - Russian gas is included in this regard - and from Africa. In addition, liquified natural gas, LNG, has been imported into Great Britain in recent years. While there is a level of exposure, it is not that great. The authorities in Brussels continually monitor relations with those countries to the east which supply us with gas. We would not be unduly concerned about this issue.

I thank our guests for their presentation. Many matters have been covered by previous speakers but there is one issue about which I am concerned. I refer to our guests' attitude to the proposed facility at Ballylongford which will be in competition with Bord Gáis, perhaps not directly in the context of its business but certainly in respect of the wider distribution of gas. What is the view of the company on the facility to which I refer?

Mr. John Barry

We are 100% supportive of the development of the facility because we see it as another source of gas on the island of Ireland. In addition, it will improve the situation with regard to security of supply.

I probably know the answer to this, but do our guests have any comments on the regulator's role in respect of this matter or on what appear to be the exorbitant tariffs that might in some way restrict the development of the facility? Do I take it that if they are supportive of the facility, they are disappointed with the regulator in the context of the levying structure that is proposed?

Mr. Jack O’Connell

We are fully aware of the Commission for Energy Regulation's role in setting tariffs for users of our network. The tariff to which the Deputy refers relates to the interconnector with Scotland. We realise that this tariff has an impact on consumers and also on producers. It would be agreed by parties in the market that even after the arrival of gas from the Corrib and Ballylongford - if that were to happen - the gas supply from Scotland would always remain as the marginal source of supply and would set the price for gas in the market. It is for this reason that the Commission for Energy Regulation has signalled for many years that it will review the structure of the tariff. The other key consideration for it in this regard is that while it wants to provide the right signal in respect of the production of indigenous gas, it is also conscious of the impact on the final consumer. The regulator has taken these two main considerations into account and it recently published a decision on how it proposes to develop a methodology for implementing tariffs. As the owner and operator of the transmission system, Bord Gáis will certainly take part in the process relating to this issue and offer comments in respect of it. We are very conscious, however, that the overall development of the market is the key consideration. Given the role of the interconnector tariff, it is important that this be set at an appropriate rate by the regulator.

I take it then that Bord Gáis has been an active proponent of the development of the facility and that it has made its views known to the regulator in that regard.

Mr. Jack O’Connell

As the Deputy will be aware, the regulator has held a number of public consultations on this matter and we have had an input into these in terms of our review. As Mr. Barry noted, we are supportive of the development of the facility at Ballylongford. In the event of a commercial decision being made to proceed with the project, we are obliged under law to allow the facility to connect to our network and to allow its gas to be transported through the network on a non-discriminatory basis.

Very good. I thank Mr. O'Connell.

A further three members wish to ask questions. If it is acceptable, I propose to take them together in order that there will not be any duplication.

I thank our guests for their presentation. Mr. Barry referred to the fact that the company accepts gas from any source once such gas is produced or extracted in an environmentally friendly way. Our guests are aware of the process of fracking and the proposals to use this to extract oil and, in particular, gas in the Border region from Fermanagh down as far as south Roscommon. Are our guests aware of the report on fracking produced for the Government of France by that country's equivalent of the EPA? Are they aware of the environmental damage caused in certain parts of the United States through the use of fracking to extract gas?

Deputy Dooley referred to the proposed LNG facility at Ballylongford in County Kerry. This facility would be extremely important to the county and the wider region. As the map supplied by our guests shows, the south west is completely cut off from the network. This facility would be extremely important for the south-west region and for the national economy, particularly in the context of the number of jobs and the ancillary benefits to which its development will give rise. Many of those - I include myself in this regard - who have been involved with this matter since the very beginning are aware of the intransigence of the regulator in the context of reaching an accommodation with Shannon LNG in order that the project might proceed. I would like our guests to comment on that matter.

I wish to inquire about Balfour Beatty-CLG, which has won a contract with Bord Gáis. I have been raising this matter for some time in the House in the context of the past record of the company in question. Section 3.9 of the guidelines on public procurement states that "candidates or tenderers who have been convicted of involvement in organised crime, of fraud, corruption or money laundering must be excluded from performing a public contract", while Article 45 of the relevant EU directive refers to the "Personal situation of the candidate or tenderer". I have in my possession a list of convictions relating to Balfour Beatty. In 1997 the company was fined £1.2 million for the collapse of a tunnel at Heathrow Airport which it had constructed. In 1999 it was fined £500,000 when a train was derailed on a section of line it was responsible for maintaining. In 2006 it was fined £7.5 million following a train crash which occurred on a section of line Balfour Beatty had maintained and in which four people died and 100 others were injured. In 2007 it was fined £180,000 following the fatal electrocution of one of its line maintenance workers. In 2008 it was fined £2.25 million after being charged by the British Serious Fraud Office and found guilty of false accounting. In 2009 it was fined £5.2 million by the Office of Fair Trading for engaging in corrupt practices in securing construction contracts. The list I have outlined provides an insight into the track record of this company. I was impressed by Mr. Barry's statement to the effect that "Safety is a core value for the company and is central to all BGN activities". In that context, are our guests satisfied by the fact that, in effect, it is employing Balfour Beatty-CLG?

I welcome the representatives from Bord Gáis Networks and Gaslink. Bord Gáis will obviously be seeking to expand its network or, at the very least, its customer base. Will Mr. Barry indicate the plans Bord Gáis has to expand the infrastructure of the gas network in Ireland? I note from his presentation that enhancing the network is a priority where economically sensible. I would imagine that would be in the centres of population. Does Bord Gáis have plans to extend the network further into towns? Will he give the committee a figure for the number of gas supply companies that are working with the network to supply gas and the percentage of gas supplied by these companies? Mr. Barry said 40% of the revenue of the gas supply companies goes back to the network. I presume it is a semi-deregulated system. How much of the infrastructure is under the control of private gas supply companies?

I would be very interested to hear the response to Deputy Martin Ferris's questions on Balfour Beatty CLG, as it seems to have a track record that defies belief. It is hard to believe that this company is part of the Bord Gáis operation.

I have a query on gas boilers. We do not have gas in Kenmare, but I know from experience of oil boilers that nobody seems to be in charge of the certification of maintenance on these boilers and there is potential for disaster. It is always somebody else's fault. When a survey of boilers was conducted in the UK, it was found that one in five boilers was not certified correctly. I understand that less than half of the gas boilers sold in any year in Ireland are certified. These figures have been thrown around, as it were, but what is Bord Gáis, the company that supplies the gas, doing about it? If cowboy operators purporting to be qualified maintenance personnel for gas boilers certify a boiler as being in working order, which subsequently explodes and kills people, is this an area of concern for Bord Gáis and is it doing anything about it? The regulator and Bord Gáis say it is somebody else's job. The qualified and certified maintenance personnel are trying to raise the issue, yet no one seems to be listening. A fatality is guaranteed and when it occurs, there will be much wringing of hands. I ask the representatives of Bord Gáis, the company that supplies the gas, what the company is doing about it. In addition to the uncertified gas boilers, which is a bad enough situation, people portraying themselves as being qualified to do the job are taking money from people and giving them a certificate which is not worth the paper it is written on. The hope is that something will not go wrong. At some stage, however, a botched maintenance job on a boiler will result in a family being wiped out by the gas supplied by the witnesses' company. Rather than saying it is the job of the regulator, Minister or Department, what is the company doing proactively about this issue?

I know the witnesses will not have with them the figures in response to my question, but I ask them to give an undertaking to come back to the joint committee with number of times on a daily, weekly, monthly and yearly basis the company gets a call-out for an issue to do with gas leaks that relates to boilers, and the number of times such boilers were certified by a person who was not qualified to do the job, or indeed whether the boilers were ever certified or maintained. We would like a spreadsheet of such figures, and I am sure Bord Gáis has them because the most important issue is leaks. If leaks occur, how many are as a result of a boiler that was certified as being in working order, but was not, obviously, because it leaked, and that certification was provided by a person who was not qualified to do it? What is Bord Gáis doing about this?

Mr. John Barry

I will deal with the last issue first, as this is an important point. I mentioned in my presentation that Bord Gáis responds to approximately 19.500 public reported escapes, PREs. If somebody rings our emergency line or reports an escape of gas, we respond within an average time of 25 minutes. In about 60% of the time, we find no trace of gas at all. That statistic remains reasonably constant. In the balance of cases, about 23% to 25% would be classified as internal - the escape is internal - but I do not have a breakdown of the statistic as to whether it relates to a boiler, an oven or a cooker. The remainder would be external. I do not think we have further intelligence on whether it is caused by a boiler, oven or cooker. We record whether it is an internal or external problem.

According to those figures, the number of internal incidents would be approximately 80 a day.

Mr. John Barry

It is 23% of the remainder.

I am concerned we will have fatalities because some cowboy operators portray themselves as being certified gas boiler maintenance personnel, take money off people and give them a certificate. The boiler, by the luck of God, may never malfunction, but if it does, the consequences can be severe. If a boiler is at the source of the problem, is the Bord Gáis company not curious about what went wrong, who certified the boiler, how many times it was maintained and whether it was maintained at all?

Mr. John Barry

Our process when we are called out to a reported gas leak and find an internal leak that we deem to be unsafe, we lock the meter and isolate the supply. We then give the end user a list of registered gas installers who will fix the problem. We do not fix the problem. Legally, we are not responsible for downstream of the meter. We isolate the supply and we give the consumer a list of our registered gas installers, RGIs. Under the legislation, persons should not be installing or servicing boilers unless they are members of RGI.

I suggest that Bord Gáis is stopping short of the line. Do company representatives not ask whether the boiler was serviced recently and do they not try to find out whether it was done by a person who was qualified to do the job? Is that not the company's policy at the moment?

Mr. John Barry

One will find in our advertisements, especially on carbon monoxide awareness, we advocate regular servicing of all boiler installations.

Bord Gáis is on the front line and is coming up against these issues 80 times a day. Does it not try to collate the statistics on whether boilers were maintained and certified in the last year like they should have been? It would be very helpful to Government to know the figures in percentage terms of the number of boilers that were certified by people who were not qualified to do the job?

Let me bring Senator Daly up to speed. There was an earlier question on this.

I am aware of that, but I am taking the opportunity to tease it out.

To be fair to the witnesses, we need to address this properly and what we agreed was the response to Deputy O'Mahony's question.

Mr. John Barry

The clinical answer is that downstream of the meter is not a responsibility of the network. We are responsible up to and including the meter of the installation. We recognise the concern but the responsible body is Registered Gas Installers which comes under the remit of the legislative process which the Commission on Energy Regulation, CER, oversees. I presume, although I cannot say for certain, that it keeps a list of the statistics Senator Daly is looking for. We certainly do not other than the breakdown I have given the Senator.

To return to the question on expanding the gas network, we have been very active since 2006-2007 in rolling out the network to various parts of the country. We did an extensive exercise in looking at the viability of 70 towns and we have connected quite a few of those in the past four or five years. We are at all times guided by the rules of the connections policy to ensure connections are done in an economically sensible way and that consumers are not burdened with connections that are not economic. We keep under review at all times the list of towns we have looked at and have been proven to be uneconomic. Macroom is a good example. It did not pass the economic test when we examined it originally but it did subsequently with the addition of of a new load to the system. I am happy to say that gas is now being burned at the location and will be delivered to the town in the next number of months.

To answer the question, the connections policy is the guideline we use. We have a lot of detailed information on towns that were uneconomical the last time we examined them. We always work with agencies in the towns to see if a new load has been added to the system and to review the cost of those connections. With the construction industry the way it is, connection costs have been reduced and are competitive, but that has been offset by the lack of new housing connections due to the downturn in the economy.

Mr. Barry mentioned that it was a burden on the consumer. If it proves to be unviable then it is an economic burden on the company and not on the consumer. Does Mr. Barry know what I mean?

Mr. John Barry

Yes.

I cannot imagine how it could be an economic burden on the consumer.

Mr. John Barry

If it is connected and it is not economical, it goes onto the rate base of the company.

It goes onto the entire consumer base?

Mr. John Barry

Yes, it goes onto the entire consumer base.

Does the company negotiate with IDA Ireland or Enterprise Ireland on potential ideas that they are discussing with customers or clients that could influence the company's expansion policy?

Mr. Jack O’Connell

The company proactively develops its market in Ireland and has extensively engaged with IDA Ireland. Major industries are keen to have natural gas in their areas and we are in discussions with a number of them. We hope to announce new areas for gas in the near future.

It could be argued that network expansion is more industry-led than consumer-led at this stage.

Mr. Jack O’Connell

Certainly. As the Deputy can imagine, extension of the transmission network is a capital-intensive decision based on the throughput of gas in each of the areas to which we have extended the service. A domestic load alone would not make the connection economical. There is always a level of commercial or large commercial load required to ensure that the economics are on the right side of the line.

Mr. John Barry

In my presentation I pointed out that we are always on the lookout, and I gave the example of the gas pipeline connection to fuel the new power station at Great Island. The size of the pipeline was increased to cater for the potential future load in the south-east region and about €4 million has gone onto the rate base of the company. It is an example of good regulation. We promoted the enlargement of the pipeline, even though there is no demand now, when we examined the towns in the region. We have future-proofed for possible demand and we do that as part of extending our network.

What about the other companies that BGN works with? What percentage of gas do they need?

Mr. John Barry

My colleague, Mr. O'Connell, will answer both questions.

Mr. Jack O’Connell

The Deputy may be aware that the other part of Bord Gáis Éireann, the ring-fenced gas supply business, had 100% of the market up to the mid-1990s, when legislation was introduced to allow other suppliers to enter the market. The role of Bord Gáis Networks is to deal with these suppliers. At present we have 18 suppliers, licensed by the Commission for Energy Regulation, which participate in transporting gas through our company. At this stage the incumbent Bord Gáis Energy has a minority stake in the total gas put through the overall system. Each party in power generation seeks to supply its own gas. In the earlier distribution of our domestic consumers we had nine active suppliers. At present there are about 120,000 cases of people changing supplier out of a base of 600,000. There is active competition and it is our role to facilitate that in our IT systems. We are proud of our record in that regard and we have facilitated many competing entities in the marketplace.

I would like the list of suppliers to be provided to the committee for information purposes.

Mr. Jack O’Connell

Yes. It is available and we do supply it to people. It is a dynamic list. The CER grants a licence to these parties and the list is available on its website. I am happy to provide the list to the committee.

Mr. John Barry

I have one further point of information. There are nine suppliers but there are about 660,000 meters, of which 200,000 come from suppliers other than our sister energy company.

I will answer some of the earlier questions on fracking, but I have made our position clear. We welcome shale gas as an additional source of gas for the country but on the basis that it is brought to the surface and connected to the grid in an environmentally friendly way. There are many reports available but my company does not have the expertise to comment on fracking. At all times we rely on the various licensing and permit processes that ensure that gas is brought to the surface in an environmentally friendly way. The fracking debate is hotting up and I hope it will lead to an educated debate on whether it is appropriate to extract shale gas. We welcome it as long as it is done in an environmentally friendly fashion.

I shall ask my colleague, Mr. Casey, to deal with the questions on Balfour Beatty. It is a major contract for the company. Traditionally we had a multi-contract model that dated back many years, sometimes using as many as five contractors. It is important when we talk about Balfour Beatty to remember that there is a second part of the company called CLG and it is a 50-50 joint venture. Much of the discussion has been on Balfour Beatty but this is a joint venture with CLG, which was one of my company's contractors for many years and which we know well. Earlier we were asked if we were satisfied with Balfour Beatty's safety record and performance. We are satisfied with its safety performance to date since the contract has been enacted and we monitor it closely. We also report quarterly statistics via our safety case with the commission, which is responsible for safety in the sector. The company's performance is tied to the performance of the contract. I shall ask Mr. Casey to deal with the specific issues raised.

Mr. Sean Casey

As Mr. Barry rightly said, health and safety has been and will always be our number-one priority given the industry in which we operate. It was our primary consideration when awarding a contract. As he pointed out, the contract was awarded to a joint venture between Balfour Beatty, a UK-based utility company, and CLG Developments which had a relationship with Bord Gáis Networks for a number of years. CLG has a very good safety track record. Balfour Beatty-CLG secured the contract because it clearly demonstrated its ability to meet our safety requirements throughout the entire tender process. The process was conducted in accordance with the EU procurement directive and safety was a key consideration. We assessed the safety performance of all bidders for the contract, including joint ventures. There have been some incidents in Balfour Beatty's past but its safety performance must be set against the scale of its operations, the countries in which it operates and the man hours that it works every year. When one considers all of that in terms of the company's safety performance one discovers that it is better than the UK and Irish construction industry average. Yes, there have been regrettable incidents in the past, but its overall performance is better than the UK and Irish construction industry average.

The tender process is governed by EU procurement law. We also took legal advice throughout the process in examining the bids and deciding whether any needed to be excluded at any point. The legal advice we received throughout the process was that there were no grounds to exclude any bidder. We were more than satisfied with the safety proposals put forward by Balfour Beatty-CLG. As Mr. Barry has pointed out, its performance to date has been extremely positive and exceeds some of the safety statistics that we had heretofore. I repeat that health and safety was one of our key concerns and a top priority when awarding the contract.

Deputy Martin Ferris: Public procurement guidelines state tenderers who have been convicted of involvement in organised crime, fraud, corruption or money laundering must be excluded. Let us stick with those who are found guilty of false accounting and engaging in corrupt practices in securing construction contracts. Leaving aside the safety record and the scale of the organisation involved, are the delegates satisfied that a member of the board was chairman of the sub-committee that awarded the contract to Balfour Beatty? There is much concern about this issue. It is a pity Deputy Mattie McGrath is not present, as there is a problem in County Tipperary as a consequence of what is happening to workers who were displaced. Either we have guidelines or we do not. We do have guidelines, but they are not adhered to in the case of tenderers who have been found guilty of false accounting and engaging in corrupt practices in securing contracts. Notwithstanding all other guidelines, four lives have been lost and 100 people have been injured on a section of line in the United Kingdom maintained by Balfour Beatty - a maintenance worker was fatally electrocuted and a tunnel collapsed on its watch. It goes against the criteria of Article 45 of Directive 2004/18/EU that the company has been awarded the contract. Is there a case pending before the courts involving Balfour Beatty in this jurisdiction?

Mr. John Barry

The chairman of the investment infrastructural committee absented himself at all times during the course of the award of the contract. That matter has been clarified. He had no hand, act or part in the award of the contract. I am not aware of a case pending before the courts involving Balfour Beatty. If the Deputy has such information, I would like to hear it.

As Mr. Casey pointed out, at all times and on each and every occasion some of these issues were put to us we sought and took legal advice to the extent that there was no basis for excluding any of the tenders or that particular tender from the process. We relied on that legal advice to proceed at all times.

I think the delegates have answered the queries put to them.

There are convictions that make the company non-compliant with the public procurement guidelines.

In fairness, the delegates have covered it legally and checked everything. Does Mr. Barry wish to comment?

Mr. John Barry

No.

I thank the members who stayed and the delegates for appearing before the committee and giving us a good overview of its operations. On the outstanding issues raised I ask the delegates to return to the committee as soon as possible.

Mr. John Barry

We will revert to it on the issues raised.

In writing.

Mr. John Barry

Yes.

I thank the delegates for their attendance.

The joint committee adjourned at 10.55 a.m. until 9.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 18 July 2012.
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